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WHERE ARE THE BOLLARDS? WE NEED MORE BOLLARDS

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You'll notice that the "separating space" / "divider" is also used to put the hard vertical "street furniture" (lights here) - and temporary signs could go here too.

Together with enforcement (!) maybe a reasonable compromise?  After all we wouldn't want to stop the ambulances attending a multi-car pile up from using the cycle lane and footway.

Yes - in the UK it would probably take an anti-tank ditch to keep the motor vehicles off.  Even then you'd need some kind of missile system to also stop the airbourne ones.  Give it a generation for natural selection to take place...

chrisonatrike wrote:

Yes - in the UK it would probably take an anti-tank ditch to keep the motor vehicles off.  Even then you'd need some kind of missile system to also stop the airbourne ones.  Give it a generation for natural selection to take place...

Anti-tank ditch... yes they have one of those round the corner on Pepper Lane - you can't really tell from Streetview, but the ruts in the verge are about 8 inches deep - there are two lanes at the traffic lights but their is no way to access the left turn only lane due because the approach is generally 30% blocked by vehicles queing for the straight/right turn lane - which results in drivers of lorries, vans and (if they don't care about their undercarriage) cars, to mount the verge to squeze past the queing traffic.

I didn't notice so many bollards in the Netherlands.  It was a while back though and I wasn't specifically looking.  I know they're in favour of removing these where possible from cycle lanes or pedestrian spaces.  At  some point you get more casualties from people walking / cycling into them than protective benefit from deterring cars.  Of course it takes some time until you've trained the population...

chrisonatrike wrote:

Come on people - it's not rocket surgery... Would you be confused about "where I go" in the image below?

It may not be rocket surgery but it is brain science which seems to be as difficult if not more so for anyone in authority.

chrisonatrike wrote:

Come on people - it's not rocket surgery...

Given the vast amount of advice about it which is ignored and the repeated multiple failures, bicycle science is considerably more difficult than rocket surgery, at least to UK planners.

Forgiving kerbs - based on research - seem to work OK where the height is 50-60mm for can users.

I can look out the project report if I have to.

Awavey wrote:

Dont they call it light segregation when it's like that ? Its technically segregated,but that some mindless idiot in a van can plough through it, is largely beside the naming conventions.

I believe the official term is "half-arsed"

Awavey wrote:

Dont they call it light segregation when it's like that ? Its technically segregated,but that some mindless idiot in a van can plough through it, is largely beside the naming conventions.

Light segregation=no segregation.

No debate from me on that, merely confirming the terminology is accurate.

Just like a "traffic free route" is really just a path with a bike symbol painted on it

Miller wrote:

So that's what they've been doing on Shinfield road. Must go and have a look. Any cycle lane would be an improvement, to be fair.

Prepare for dissapointment. It was better before.

Be careful what you wish for, on Wokingham road past Palmer Park they've painted lines to encourage drivers to hurl abuse if you stray out of the puddles and drains at the side of the road. I used to use Shinfield Road every morning and it was wide enough that cars and bikes could co-exist quite happily.

Yep, a really narrow strip righhgggggght next to the cars.  The entire "lane" is within the door zone. Lethal. 

bobbypuk wrote:

I used to use Shinfield Road every morning and it was wide enough that cars and bikes could co-exist quite happily.

So in typical UK planner fashion, they've put a cycle lane in where it wasn't needed, and doubtless ignored the places where it is needed.

Never mind.  Cycle lane provision: box ticked.

Needs. More. Bollards.

(but life just needs more bollards)

I've just realised what the

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s are in Flintshire Lad's posts - he's installed bollards in his posts!

You just had to do it, didn't you? Bang goes productivity again, and this time it was even worse, from the World Bollard Association twitter feed I fell down the @TerribleMaps twitter feed rabbit hole!

My life is forever changed.

..... but in a good way.

My boss wouldn't be so happy if he found out 

SimoninSpalding wrote:

My boss wouldn't be so happy if he found out 

I won't tell him if you don't.

HoarseMann wrote:

Looks like there's a tiny kerb on that 'segregated' cycle lane - not high enough to keep motorised vehicles off it, but just enough to wipe out a cyclist trying to join it from the road.

I can confirm it is exactly that.

It's almost like they want to create animosity between motorists and cyclists.