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Bike hangars are “woke” (apparently) as car parking row rumbles on; Parody Hot Fuzz police force dupes public over cyclist licence and mandatory helmets; Your reaction to Adam Blythe’s gold Genesis; If the World Cup was pro cycling + more on the live blog
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Explaining the world cup in cycling terms...
How is the round ball sport going? Please explain it to me in cycling terms.
— Belinda (@reallyspoketome) November 22, 2022
I get it… not everyone wants to watch one, let alone four football matches a day. And while many of you will probably have zero care for how the football World Cup is unfolding, here are the cycling comparisons that might just help you relate to the action…
Jumbo Visma (Argentina) lost the team time trial against your local Sunday cycling club
— Nico #HikikomoriAntesDePonerseDeModa (@debasermad) November 22, 2022
Wales was like Almeida, and they spent most of the time behind but ended up finishing at the same time as the GC group
— Generic Cycling Account (@GenericCycling) November 23, 2022
Ecuador was like a mid tier GC rider trying to win a 1 week but the only competition is Jakub Mareczko. They easily took some time early on in the race and then just held firm in the flatter back half.
— Generic Cycling Account (@GenericCycling) November 23, 2022
Oh, and poor Australia…
Australia attacked on the first climb and then got caught with 150k to go , dropped into a headwind and failed to finish inside cut off time
— Nicholas Arena (@onegoodsport) November 23, 2022
And for more round ball content…


> Footballers who cycle XI — the World Cup stars who love life on two wheels
From golden toilets to a wet bag of sugar... your reaction to Adam Blythe's gold Genesis (+ that rather strange head tube)
Apparently this is what listening to too much Spandau Ballet leads to… a gold leaf-finished frame and what can only be described as an unusual head tube…
Tech editor Mat has taken a proper look at the bike, so I’d recommend starting with his expertise, and then rejoining me for the part where we all laugh about what mean people are saying about it on the internet…
> Bike at Bedtime: What do you think of the head tube on Adam Blythe’s gold Genesis?
Anyway, if you’ve already seen enough of that head tube for one lifetime, join the party…
Freddy56 compared the head tube to a “wet bag of sugar”, while the Twitter talk was even less kind…
Gainz! 💪💪💪 pic.twitter.com/CFjC8tobJ3
— Stephen moore (@Stephen28780796) November 23, 2022
— Rick Roberts (@RickyBobby1872) November 23, 2022
IanMSpencer was more concerned about the saddle than anything else, “That seat looks a tad too aero to be comfy to me”…
Not everyone’s upset though. bobrayner enjoyed the “slightly marbled” texture and wondered if you “could you achieve the same in your shed with a tin of Hammerite?”
Anyway, I guess all that matters is Adam is happy, which he is…
Just picked up his new gold cycling gear from Rapha. pic.twitter.com/YmUY7tyb1E
— John Fox🙂🏠🚴♂️♣️ (@JohnFox28541730) November 23, 2022
Do not adjust your screens, it's real...
This is how motorists should give way to cyclists in the cycle lane when turning across it. pic.twitter.com/EVtf9XydHB
— CycleGaz™ (@cyclegaz) November 23, 2022
Christmas gifts for cyclists — 15 top picks
Comment of the day...


Looks like they’ve nabbed the drivetrain and finishing kit, but left the rest…


> Bike at Bedtime: What do you think of the head tube on Adam Blythe’s gold Genesis?
Inside knowledge and wider issues about bike hangars... your thoughts on that "woke" bike storage
Plenty of discussion in the comments this lunchtime about The Sun’s woke bike hangar story…


Rendel Harris gets us started with some investigative work…
“Laura King’s complaint about the hangars being ‘too large for parking spaces’ presumably refers to the fact that most of the designs have the nearside feet on the kerb to facilitate door opening; I’ve glanced at the one in our street and it takes about six inches maximum off the pavement.
“Our Laura also made it into the Daily Mail with the same story and complaints (I read it so you don’t have to), adding ‘They also have no reflective strips on them to make them visible at night making them dangerous for motorists.’ If any readers happen to own large shiny metal green cars in Brighton, I suggest you find a private parking space for them because if Laura’s driving around at night she won’t see them when they are parked.”
brooksby questioned the logic of the complaint: “If Brighton has a Green council then doesn’t that mean that more people voted for the Greens? So, liked their policies? Isn’t that how our democracy (currently) works, so why are people complaining?”
Pub bike: “Bike hangers are a symptom of a failed (and failing) planning system that hasn’t ensured buildings have sufficient bike parking since the dawn of time. Bikes and cycling are not new, and predate the motor car, so this is absentmindedness on a stick from our brain-dead local government.
“Sufficient cycle parking provision should have been and should be a planning condition on every S106, just like bin storage, fire access etc.
“So bike hangers it is then — a sticking plaster.”
hawkinspeter: “Woke hangars? I can totally see how storing your bike in a semi-secure location is hitting back at systemic racism.” You and me both, you and me both…
Are expensive carbon road bike wheels worth the money?
Does more expensive necessarily mean faster? Jamie and Liam real-world tested eight wheelsets to find out whether money can buy speed…
> Are expensive carbon road bike wheels worth the money?
I’ve definitely missed the point of the feature if this is my main takeaway, but I’m most impressed by how much work went into the vid! Eight wheelsets set up with discs, tubeless and cassettes + eight efforts each (Jamie’s at 300w in November). Fair play lads, we can’t say you didn’t put the work in…
Parody Hot Fuzz police force dupes public over cyclist licence and mandatory helmets
“How was work?”
“Oh, pretty good actually, I spent the afternoon writing about how someone pretending to be Sandford Police from Hot Fuzz tricked loads of people into thinking cyclists would need licences, registration, mandatory hi-vis clothing and helmets…”
“You need to get a proper job…”
All cycles used on roads or public spaces will be required to have a Cycle Unique Number Registration
Cyclists will be required to use a helmet & hi vis clothing for their safety
Cycling without a licence, CUNR, helmet or hi vis clothing will see the cycle seized & destroyed
— Sandford Police (@Sandford_Police) November 23, 2022
It’s all for the greater good you see…
WHAT? Need more details…. What about e-scooters then? https://t.co/P4tTWK5496
— VB (@IAdler6) November 23, 2022
I don’t see your statements on bicycles as true. Appreciate that these requirements were being considered but it appears they have been dropped.
— ns0110 (@ns01102) November 23, 2022
Wow great news. About time as the legislation hasn’t been really upgraded since derailer gears was invented. With electric assisted now too. Hope audible device on bike not just at sale of new has changed. In tourist Town we have pedestrian only cyclists think they can ride too
— Dragon Dorset (@GreenDragonpip) November 23, 2022
Who said Twitter was dead?
If Spain vs Costa Rica was cycling...


Well worth the Procyclingstats digging into Movistar’s 2019 season…
Take a ride in your city's newest door zone cycle lane
IF THOSE ARE PARKING SPACES ON THE PAVEMENT I WILL LAUNCH THE TRAFFORD COUNCIL BUILDING INTO THE SUN https://t.co/YCEL54hgmd
— Hannah 🚲😈 (@theeyecollector) November 23, 2022
Despite the derisive questions of ‘is this the before pic?’ we’re sadly going to have to confirm… it’s not…
Why would you possibly endorse pavement parking?! Bicycles won’t be able to use that cycle lane as they will risk being car doored, so will have to cycle in the middle of the road – the whole thing is extremely unsafe.
— Claire 🚴🏼♀️🇪🇺💙 (@rowli87) November 22, 2022
1998 called and they want their plans back.
— Just Another Cyclist (@justacwab) November 22, 2022
Not one person who walks or cycles was involved in designing this
— Herzberg (@herzberg19) November 22, 2022
Bike hangars are "woke" (apparently) as car parking row rumbles on
Someone told The Sun about the Brighton bike hangar row…


It’s an ‘exclusive’ don’t you know… I think that must mean a week later than road.cc and local press’ coverage, with a couple of new quotes from locals. Sorry, I’ll play nicely from now on…
> NIMBY locals “concerned and distressed” by “giant ugly” bike hangar
Anyway, the newspaper spoke to a couple of locals, one of whom called the bike storage hangars a “cynical ploy” by the “woke Green council”.
“These hangars are a cynical ploy to raise more cash for council coffers. It is a perfect example of yet another pet project by our woke Green council that doesn’t make sense,” Ellie Reid suggested.
Laura King added: “This seems to be another weapon in the Greens’ aim to push motorists out of the city. These hangars are too large for the parking spaces, making them unsafe for pedestrians, especially wheelchair users and the visually impaired.”
Interesting take there, Laura. If correct then presumably parked cars and larger vehicles would also be unsafe for pedestrians?
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Re: Gt.Yarmouth cycle lane. What's with the give way markings at the edge of the road? It looks like another cycle path joining the cycle lane with stop lines for the cycle lane adjacent to the road. Does anyone have a bigger picture?
'Fag ash fuhrer', that comment's made my day, thank you.
He got six (6) golds. 1. Men's 50km mass start classic 2. Men's 10km+10km skiathlon 3. Men's 10km interval start free 4. Men's sprint classic 5. Men's 4x7.5km relay 6. Men's team sprint free Count 'em.
I reckon that tyre has had caterpillars.
It did read very much like that but no, a genuine paper by a serving army officer written as part of an MA in Strategic Studies.
Being at a loose end I actually did check out the car he is driving (Lamborghini Ursus), in that picture he has it in urban mode which means that the engine stops when the car is stationary, so he could be pulled over with the engine off even though the controls are illuminated. With reference to your other point about him being in Dubai, yes they have strict mobile phone laws but also the same proviso as ours that it is permissible to use a mobile phone from the driver's seat provided the driver has pulled over and switched off the engine. None of this, of course, is an attempt to excuse the offence he committed in the UK nor to claim that he is anything other than a complete cockwomble.
Isn't that rather the point, and the reason for the criticism, though? That it's giving you all the wastefulness of AI, while providing no actual benefit, in that it's not allowing you to do anything you couldn't already without it.
Are you sure you weren't reading a Terminator spin-off?
Why has nobody developed (or have they?) a rear hub motor wheel with a quick release mechanism robust enough to cope with the torque demands? Something could be achieved with a through-axle, surely? Twice in my e-bike days I had to do a long walk of shame home even though I was carrying a pump and spare tubes because I had forgotten to put the adjustable spanner back in the tool kit after taking it out to use for something else, but even when I remembered it there was an unacceptable level of faff involved with rear punctures – ultimately solved by changing to Marathon Plus.
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72 thoughts on “Bike hangars are “woke” (apparently) as car parking row rumbles on; Parody Hot Fuzz police force dupes public over cyclist licence and mandatory helmets; Your reaction to Adam Blythe’s gold Genesis; If the World Cup was pro cycling + more on the live blog”
https://www.theguardian.com
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/23/pedestrian-jungle-the-row-in-paris-over-rented-e-scooters
Re Paris scooters, I was
Re Paris scooters, I was briefly in Paris last week. Those scooters are everywhere, people obviously like them despite what the authorities may think.
Mayor Anne Hidalgo, whose
Mayor Anne Hidalgo, whose traffic ideas are so wildly popular she managed to get the lowest number of presidential election votes for the Socialist party in history at 1.75%
I had a very disturbing dream
I had a very disturbing dream about daytime tv star Dale Winton last night. And a lady off the internet has lost her cat. Missing, not dead. I think
Rakia wrote:
Whose traffic ideas only apply to Paris and where they are popular enough for her to have been elected mayor and won re-election. She didn’t stand for president on her traffic ideas.
And from the pictures I’ve
And from the pictures I’ve seen, Paris looks brilliant now! If only city officials in the UK had the balls to do something similar.
Bof…
Bof…
Been there a couple of weeks back; no children and elderly cycling, men outnumberig women 3 to one or thereabouts.
You should try getting out of
You should try getting out of Essex and visiting Paris one day, would do you good to see a Beautiful city. I’ll be there next week, C U Next Tuesday maybe?!
SMIDSY
SMIDSY
You were in my blind spot.
Are those gun ports?
Are those gun ports?
No, it’s for efficiency at
No, it’s for efficiency at the drive thru – so you can load Big Macs for everyone in the cab all at once.
Beatnik69 wrote:
No. One for each of the driver’s eyes.
So there was a recent story
So there was a recent story about a footballer being issued with a FPN for the front windows of his car not transmitting enough light. Assuming that wasn’t based on envy/ racism, I assume that the owner of this vehicle will be treated similarly?
For clarity I am not defending Ivan Toney’s dangerous mdifications to his car, but you don’t have to spend much time in affluent areas of London to see fully murdered out cars with no action being taken by the Police.
Surrey Police have a numebr
Surrey Police have a numebr of tweets on FPNs on window tints.
I hope the vehicle was either seized or the wood removed.
We have to share the roads with these people. Imagine crossing a side road and being mown down by the driver turning right off the main road.
Brentford “just a bus stop in
Brentford “just a bus stop in Hounslow” is not an affluent area of London.
As great a player as Ivan Toney is, he’s much the same as so many football players, a normal bloke with too much money and too much time me. Hence the car mods. and the gambling.
It’s a safe bet that an FPN
It’s a safe bet that an FPN is probably the least of Ivan Toney’s worries right now 😉
Driver’s side too. That would
Driver’s side too. That would be instant-death for any cyclist on a mini-roundabout.
Puzzled by the head tube. Are
Puzzled by the head tube. Are they trying to sell stuff to the 2022 version of Idi Amin?
Would it not be more straightforward to have a flag saying something like – “Look at MEEEEEEEE – I’m the biggest plonker in the world” ?
(Not really qualified to comment on whether it makes it 0.000000001 kph faster.)
Woke hangars?
Woke hangars?
I can totally see how storing your bike in a semi-secure location is hitting back at systemic racism
Maybe I’m reading the article
Maybe I’m reading the article wrong but isnt Ellie of Brighton simply saying the Green council is “woke” not the bike hangers. Though I’m not sure how the Sun have ended up claiming the scheme itself is “woke”, maybe it was the intern who writ it, but the quote theyve used doesnt say that.
Awavey wrote:
Yes, but the inference is there. If they reported on the council making changes to bin collections, they’d be unlikely to mention that they are ‘woke’.
This is a local skip, for
This is a local skip, for local people. There’s nothing for you here.
Presumably some of these folk would be concerned their rubbish wasn’t being collected by … local people?
Anyone who uses the term
Anyone who uses the term “woke” pejoratively is implying that they know full well there is social injustice in the world, but they don’t care because it suits them nicely thank you very much.
But I think cycling is “woke”:
So cycling – and providing infrastructure to help other people cycle – seems to me to clearly fight social injustice.
OnYerBike wrote:
Yes, cycling is definitely empowering. There’s no need to get any permission from authorities before jumping on a bike, so it’s anti-authoritarian as well.
I do think the term ‘woke’ is being over-used – there’s the right-wing that idiotically use it as a perjorative and it’s cringey if people/companies describe themselves as ‘woke’.
This also struck me as a
This also struck me as a bizarre objection: “These hangars are a cynical ploy to raise more cash for council coffers.”
Cash from whom? Motorists? Ummm, no. Local residents who own bikes, and are happy to pay around £1 a week for somewhere safe to store them.
The council told us a couple of weeks ago that 359 of the current 360 spaces are taken – and there is reportedly also a waiting list running well into three figures.
Simon_MacMichael wrote:
I think they’re complaining that the poor, hard-working, cash-strapped motorists have had one of their own parking spaces re-purposed just so that the council can make a nice little earner.
Simon_MacMichael wrote:
I don’t think councils make any profit from hangars anyway, do they? Certainly in London all the schemes I’ve looked at have been run by private companies (in Southwark it’s Cyclehoop), sometimes with a small subsidy per space provided by the council.
Colin from Portsmouth can
Colin from Portsmouth can help with understanding woke.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Exploding_Heads/status/1590029685307899904
(sorry if you don’t have a login)
hirsute wrote:
Unfortunately I do have a login, but it’s just a work bot account for alerting about servers.
hawkinspeter wrote:
If you’re a right-wing journalist then Woke can be used to describe pretty much anything you disapprove of. It’s the modern day Political Corectness Gone Mad.
Tom_77 wrote:
It’s so difficult to keep up with what language is acceptable now, isn’t it?
Steve K wrote:
Nah, bolox mate, it’s fu**ing easy init.
Bike hangars are “woke”
Bike hangars are “woke” (apparently) as car parking row rumbles on
Couple of things intrigue me about this story, the first being the completely incorrect use of “woke” as an insult, and the second is the very generic sounding names of the two people quoted.
The real definition of woke is that you are alert to others’ problems and empathise with them; quite how that got to be an insult, I have absolutely no idea. What I do know is that the people using it as an insult have no idea what it means, and I’ve asked several.
A long time ago, I complained about the local rag printing opinion as fact, and the PCC or whatever is was then agreed with me. The editor got around this by using quotes from people, which could be factual if those people actually said them. They were suspiciously common names though, but there is no way of proving that the reporter made them up. Ellie Reid and Laura King from Brighton? Hmmmm. Added to the fact that no rational person would say what they are supposed to have said leads me to suspect that they might be fictitious.
eburtthebike wrote:
According to Wikipedia, ‘woke’ means “alert to racial prejudice and discrimination”, but also includes other forms of social inequalities (e.g. sexism). Its use goes way back and Lead Belly used it in his 1938 song Scottsboro Boys.
Long time since I was
Long time since I was listening to Lead Belly.
Okay, just listened to it.
Okay, just listened to it.
https://youtu.be/VrXfkPViFIE
“I advise everybody be a little careful when they go along through that, stay woke, keep their eyes open.”
It’s right at the end of that recording. I can’t agree he’s using it in the modern sense, he’s telling people to stay alert – awake, even – to danger they themselves might face.
But if anybody can find a Lead Belly song about bike hangars or even tofu…
Bmblbzzz wrote:
I don’t know, it sounds like ‘stay woke’ is being used to be aware of the racism and lack of justice around there. considering the subject matter of the song.
The Sun? Lying? Say it ain
The Sun? Lying? Say it ain’t so…
There’s certainly a lot to
There’s certainly a lot to unpick.
I’m not sure why Ellie feels the ploy to be cynical and certainly I think a scheme that raises more money for the council whilst hopefully addressing polution and climate change does, in fact, makes total sense.
Meanwhile I have bunch of questions for Laura. Is she suggesting that the council would like motorists to moving out of Brighton perhaps to properties that have a drive, for example? What constitutes too large for a parking space? I would have thought that was predicated by the size of the parking space. Also we really need to know how these are unsafe for people using a pavement?
eburtthebike wrote:
Er no, that’s the fake definition of woke. The real definition of “woke” is the following:
“A term used for white middle class people who superficially show an interest in social justice in order to capture the moral high ground (and the business and social opportunities that arise from it), while continuing to remain ignorant of any real social issues or the irrationality of their view points.
Extra points are awarded for any of the following:
In this case, using “woke” to describe the bike eyesores is perfectly apt: you’re pretending to be doing something for the good of society (capturing the moral high ground) while really doing it out of spite to deny the hard working local population somewhere to park their cars, because they are too poor to afford a nice middle class driveway and garage.
So now you have the real definition of “woke”, make sure you use the term properly.
“Woke” you send me to sleep.
“Woke” you send me to sleep.
Hi Rakia, rather than trying
Hi Rakia, rather than trying to get attention on cycling forums, you may find some of the following groups helpful:
https://mensgroup.com/community
http://menupnorth.co.uk/
https://www.directionsformen.org.uk/
There are often more local groups too. I’m sure you would be able to find a sympathetic person to sit down with and talk to for a while; developing genuine personal relationships will be much better in the long term for your mental health, rather than trolling on the internet for the short term feeling that someone, anyone has at least acknowledged your existence.
I appreciate that reaching out like this will feel like a big challenge but I am sure it will be worth your while.
Best wishes
Funny that you’ve put your
Funny that you’ve put your definition in quotes as if it comes from some authoritative source, but a quick Google search reveals no such quote in existence. When your argument is so weak that you can’t find a decent quote to back it up and have to make one up it’s time to have a word with yourself.
By the way saying that woke includes “pretending you’re autistic” is utterly reprehensible.
Rendel Harris wrote:
I used quotes to delineate the definition from the rest of the comment. It’s my own freshly-minted definition, and it’s very flattering to hear that you thought it came from a real dictionary it was so good!
On your point about autism, that’s just my experience. I’m not talking about people with genuine autism, but you find plenty of wokists who aren’t otherwise part of a “marginalised” group, and so don’t have a crutch of victimisation to use. They therefore feign autism (this is never actually diagnosed by a medical professional) as a reason why they “are different”. Although they prefer (naturally) to use the phrase “neuro-diverse” as it sounds more mystical and less backward.
Rakia wrote:
No, I thought it was semi-literate bollocks. That’s why I Googled it, I was fascinated to see who could have come out with such utter nonsense.
On the flip side there are
On the flip side there are people like yourself who love to spin “woke” into some all encompassing catch all, basically to excuse the fact that you are just a shitty person who lacks any kind of empathy.
The funny thing is, of course there are people on the extreme, getting offended over nothing for attention. Yet here you are being an edgelord for attention, much in the same way they do, just from the other side taking pride in being an arsehole.
I mean, you actually stated: “using “woke” to describe the bike eyesores is perfectly apt” *rolls eyes*
At the very worse they are like much of the counrtries cycle infrastructure and poorly planned. I mean I seriously question the person who slapped one across two spaces and thought job done, but woke? PMSL!
You’re a Jordan Peterson
You’re a Jordan Peterson acolyte aren’t you, you must be to come up with this absolute BS.
Anyway, C U Next Tuesday at the local cycle cross mash up?
xcleigh1247 wrote:
Good deduction, he absolutely is, under at least two of his previous identities he used regularly to eulogise him and furnish us with snippets of his “wisdom”.
Rakia wrote:
“A term used for white middle class people who superficially show an interest in social justice in order to capture the moral high ground (and the business and social opportunities that arise from it), while continuing to remain ignorant of any real social issues or the irrationality of their view points.
…
using “woke” to describe the bike eyesores is perfectly apt:— RakiaThis is really rather humorous (I typed hilarious but then decided it wasn’t quite that good).
Rakia/Nigel/whoever – he/she/they/it/ – may be morphing into a bit of a self-parodying comedian. Or has the AI moved on to learning from slightly cleverer sources?
The bike hanger is no more of an eyesore than an SUV, trailer or a shed; and as it is an inanimate object it can’t possibly be ‘woke’.
eburtthebike wrote:
They are from the Department of Studies at the University of Fulchester.
Whilst everyone laments the
Whilst everyone laments the Blythe bike appearance, is it not actually a genius move in that no one would dare want to steal it, to ever be seen riding it.
Awavey wrote:
Also if he ever fancies taking up racing again his competitors would be so doubled up with laughter he’d be able to steal a march on the field.
If Brighton has a Green
If Brighton has a Green council then doesn’t that mean that more people voted for the Greens? So, liked their policies? Isn’t that how our democracy (currently) works, so why are people complaining?
brooksby wrote:
It’s not the people complaining, but a couple of
journalistshacks stirring up the carbrains.It’s spelled C-U-N-T-S.
It’s spelled C-U-N-T-S.
Bike hangers are a symptom of
Bike hangers are a symptom of a failed (and failing) planning system that hasn’t ensured buildings have sufficient bike parking since the dawn of time. Bikes and cycling are not new, and predate the motor car, so this is absentmindedness on a stick from our brain-dead local government.
Suffficient cycle parking provision should have been and should be a planning condition on every S106, just like bin storage, fire access etc.
So bike hangers it is then – a sticking plaster.
Laura King’s complaint about
Laura King’s complaint about the hangars being “too large for parking spaces” presumably refers to the fact that most of the designs have the nearside feet on the kerb to facilitate door opening; I’ve glanced at the one in our street and it takes about six inches maximum off the pavement.
Our Laura also made it into the Daily Mail with the same story and complaints (I read it so you don’t have to), adding “‘They also have no reflective strips on them to make them visible at night making them dangerous for motorists.” If any readers happen to own large shiny metal green cars in Brighton, I suggest you find a private parking space for them because if Laura’s driving around at night she won’t see them when they are parked.
Rendel Harris wrote:
I hadn’t thoought of that. If that’s the case then possibly a bit of a design error. If they weren’t stood on the pavement would they stick out? I’m pretty sure if Laura addressed what might be a genuine concern in some areas to Council they might be able to find a welder to raise the height so it didn’t have to sit on the kerb. I do not believe that any scheme like this can’t be improved upon and constructive criticism from the public should be welcomed.
As I said, it’s literally
As I said, it’s literally less than the width of the kerbstone that’s taken up, no serious person could claim that it’s going to cause the slightest obstruction or safety hazard and so I don’t think it really comes under the heading of constructive criticism.
So if that’s the case, why do
So if that’s the case, why do you get a parking ticket for doing that in London?
Rakia wrote:
Because as is well-known, if you give motorists an inch they will take a yard (why should I be fined when I was only going 2 miles an hour over the speed limit? etc). Clearly it’s easier to have a complete pavement parking ban than it would be to waste taxpayer money on
compensation for errors caused by poor cycling judgementarguing the exact distance somebody has parked over the kerb.You missed your cue – it’s a
You missed your cue – it’s a simple “Can’t park there, mate”.
Because it’s illegal to park
Because it’s illegal to park a motor vehicle on the pavement in London (as per Greater London Council (General Powers) Act 1974, section 15).
You are displaying your usual deference for UK law, Rakia.
Rakia wrote:
You really are very unlikely to get a ticket for half of your tyre being on the kerb. Half of the cars are I see parked in London are too wide for the marked spaces now anyway – I’ve never seen these ticketed.
Anything to do with Council
Anything to do with Council enforcement can be fought on the obligation of their enforcement being reasonable including the de minimis principle – so overhanging a double yellow by less than a foot can normally be appealed, and being slightly over the pavement may also be deemed to be trivial – doesn’t stop them issuing tickets and trying for the money, but it could be argued against. It’s different to a speeding offence where if you tried to argue you were doing only 31 in a 30 so it wasn’t really speeding would be an admission of the absolute offence.
Er No, absolutely no issue.
Er No, absolutely no issue. I don’t think that’s even 2 inches. In your case it’s obvious that the door mirror of the van overhangs the pavement by more than that.
I wasn’t suggesting that Laura was giving constructive criticism only that if anyone did have a useful observation to make that might improve the scheme then that should be welcome.
Laura King is a real person
Laura King is a real person and has appeared in the local paper quite a few times…
https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/20299365.brighton-resident-felt-mocked-councillors-laughed-expenses-concerns/
https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/16062828.make-new-friends—top-speed/
https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/14965898.caught-on-cctv-the-couple-in-hove-who-lured-and-stole-much-loved-mr-cheeky-the-cat-now-being-sought-by-police/
https://metro.co.uk/2022/11
https://metro.co.uk/2022/11/23/dad-spared-road-ban-after-saying-he-drank-in-car-to-avoid-wife-at-home-17812451/
Wow a video from CycleGaz
Wow a video from CycleGaz where a justified shout of idiota is absent. Rare stuff.
Another woke hangar, this to
Another woke hangar, time for cargo bikes and it has a bollard.
https://mobile.twitter.com/HarryHamishGray/status/1595406034071330818
Don’t get me started on a disabled astronaut – how woke is that ?
Drivers – fuming; very good!
Drivers – fuming; very good!
“Ignore false claims and bad
“Ignore false claims and bad journalism – most LTNs do reduce traffic” – Andrew Gilligan
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2022/nov/24/ignore-false-claims-and-bad-journalism-most-ltns-do-reduce-traffic