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Cycle hangar in Norfolk Square, Brighton (credit – Laura King, Facebook)
Cycle hangar in Norfolk Square, Brighton (credit - Laura King, Facebook) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Bike hangars are “woke” (apparently) as car parking row rumbles on; Parody Hot Fuzz police force dupes public over cyclist licence and mandatory helmets; Your reaction to Adam Blythe’s gold Genesis; If the World Cup was pro cycling + more on the live blog

Dan Alexander is back on the live blog for the rest of the week, trying hard to keep you distracted from work and the World Cup… (it’s a tough ask)…
  • by Dan Alexander
Wed, Nov 23, 2022 09:13
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  • Explaining the world cup in cycling terms...
  • From golden toilets to a wet bag of sugar... your reaction to Adam Blythe's gold Genesis (+ that rather strange head tube)
  • Do not adjust your screens, it's real...
  • Christmas gifts for cyclists — 15 top picks
  • Comment of the day...
  • Inside knowledge and wider issues about bike hangars... your thoughts on that "woke" bike storage
  • Are expensive carbon road bike wheels worth the money?
  • Parody Hot Fuzz police force dupes public over cyclist licence and mandatory helmets
  • If Spain vs Costa Rica was cycling...
  • Take a ride in your city's newest door zone cycle lane
  • Bike hangars are "woke" (apparently) as car parking row rumbles on
Cycle hangar in Norfolk Square, Brighton (credit – Laura King, Facebook)
Cycle hangar in Norfolk Square, Brighton (credit - Laura King, Facebook) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
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23 November 2022, 09:13

Explaining the world cup in cycling terms...

How is the round ball sport going? Please explain it to me in cycling terms.

— Belinda (@reallyspoketome) November 22, 2022

I get it… not everyone wants to watch one, let alone four football matches a day. And while many of you will probably have zero care for how the football World Cup is unfolding, here are the cycling comparisons that might just help you relate to the action…

Jumbo Visma (Argentina) lost the team time trial against your local Sunday cycling club

— Nico #HikikomoriAntesDePonerseDeModa (@debasermad) November 22, 2022

Wales was like Almeida, and they spent most of the time behind but ended up finishing at the same time as the GC group

— Generic Cycling Account (@GenericCycling) November 23, 2022

Ecuador was like a mid tier GC rider trying to win a 1 week but the only competition is Jakub Mareczko. They easily took some time early on in the race and then just held firm in the flatter back half.

— Generic Cycling Account (@GenericCycling) November 23, 2022

Oh, and poor Australia…

Australia attacked on the first climb and then got caught with 150k to go , dropped into a headwind and failed to finish inside cut off time

— Nicholas Arena (@onegoodsport) November 23, 2022

And for more round ball content…

Footballers who cycle
Footballers who cycle (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Footballers who cycle
Footballers who cycle (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Footballers who cycle XI — the World Cup stars who love life on two wheels

23 November 2022, 09:13

From golden toilets to a wet bag of sugar... your reaction to Adam Blythe's gold Genesis (+ that rather strange head tube)

Apparently this is what listening to too much Spandau Ballet leads to… a gold leaf-finished frame and what can only be described as an unusual head tube…

Tech editor Mat has taken a proper look at the bike, so I’d recommend starting with his expertise, and then rejoining me for the part where we all laugh about what mean people are saying about it on the internet…

> Bike at Bedtime: What do you think of the head tube on Adam Blythe’s gold Genesis?

Anyway, if you’ve already seen enough of that head tube for one lifetime, join the party…

Freddy56 compared the head tube to a “wet bag of sugar”, while the Twitter talk was even less kind…

Gainz! 💪💪💪 pic.twitter.com/CFjC8tobJ3

— Stephen moore (@Stephen28780796) November 23, 2022

pic.twitter.com/ofMYzwBPgH

— Rick Roberts (@RickyBobby1872) November 23, 2022

IanMSpencer was more concerned about the saddle than anything else, “That seat looks a tad too aero to be comfy to me”…

Not everyone’s upset though. bobrayner enjoyed the “slightly marbled” texture and wondered if you “could you achieve the same in your shed with a tin of Hammerite?”

Anyway, I guess all that matters is Adam is happy, which he is…

Just picked up his new gold cycling gear from Rapha. pic.twitter.com/YmUY7tyb1E

— John Fox🙂🏠🚴‍♂️♣️ (@JohnFox28541730) November 23, 2022

23 November 2022, 09:13

Do not adjust your screens, it's real...

This is how motorists should give way to cyclists in the cycle lane when turning across it. pic.twitter.com/EVtf9XydHB

— CycleGaz™ (@cyclegaz) November 23, 2022

23 November 2022, 09:13

Christmas gifts for cyclists — 15 top picks

> Christmas gifts for cyclists — 15 top picks from Specialized, Sportful, Stolen Goat, Vitus, Lezyne and many more

23 November 2022, 09:13

Comment of the day...

Live blog comment 23/11/2022
2022 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Live blog comment 23/11/2022
2022 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Looks like they’ve nabbed the drivetrain and finishing kit, but left the rest…

Bike at Bedtime Genesis Adam Blythe Photo_ Adam Blythe_Instagram (1)
Bike at Bedtime Genesis Adam Blythe Photo_ Adam Blythe_Instagram (1) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Bike at Bedtime Genesis Adam Blythe Photo_ Adam Blythe_Instagram (1)
Bike at Bedtime Genesis Adam Blythe Photo_ Adam Blythe_Instagram (1) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Bike at Bedtime: What do you think of the head tube on Adam Blythe’s gold Genesis? 

23 November 2022, 09:13

Inside knowledge and wider issues about bike hangars... your thoughts on that "woke" bike storage

Plenty of discussion in the comments this lunchtime about The Sun’s woke bike hangar story…

The Sun bike hangar coverage
The Sun bike hangar coverage (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
The Sun bike hangar coverage
The Sun bike hangar coverage (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Rendel Harris gets us started with some investigative work…

“Laura King’s complaint about the hangars being ‘too large for parking spaces’ presumably refers to the fact that most of the designs have the nearside feet on the kerb to facilitate door opening; I’ve glanced at the one in our street and it takes about six inches maximum off the pavement.

“Our Laura also made it into the Daily Mail with the same story and complaints (I read it so you don’t have to), adding ‘They also have no reflective strips on them to make them visible at night making them dangerous for motorists.’ If any readers happen to own large shiny metal green cars in Brighton, I suggest you find a private parking space for them because if Laura’s driving around at night she won’t see them when they are parked.”

brooksby questioned the logic of the complaint: “If Brighton has a Green council then doesn’t that mean that more people voted for the Greens? So, liked their policies? Isn’t that how our democracy (currently) works, so why are people complaining?”

Pub bike: “Bike hangers are a symptom of a failed (and failing) planning system that hasn’t ensured buildings have sufficient bike parking since the dawn of time.  Bikes and cycling are not new, and predate the motor car, so this is absentmindedness on a stick from our brain-dead local government.

“Sufficient cycle parking provision should have been and should be a planning condition on every S106, just like bin storage, fire access etc.

“So bike hangers it is then — a sticking plaster.”

hawkinspeter: “Woke hangars? I can totally see how storing your bike in a semi-secure location is hitting back at systemic racism.” You and me both, you and me both…

23 November 2022, 09:13

Are expensive carbon road bike wheels worth the money?

Does more expensive necessarily mean faster? Jamie and Liam real-world tested eight wheelsets to find out whether money can buy speed… 

> Are expensive carbon road bike wheels worth the money?

I’ve definitely missed the point of the feature if this is my main takeaway, but I’m most impressed by how much work went into the vid! Eight wheelsets set up with discs, tubeless and cassettes + eight efforts each (Jamie’s at 300w in November). Fair play lads, we can’t say you didn’t put the work in…

23 November 2022, 09:13

Parody Hot Fuzz police force dupes public over cyclist licence and mandatory helmets

“How was work?”

“Oh, pretty good actually, I spent the afternoon writing about how someone pretending to be Sandford Police from Hot Fuzz tricked loads of people into thinking cyclists would need licences, registration, mandatory hi-vis clothing and helmets…”

“You need to get a proper job…”

All cycles used on roads or public spaces will be required to have a Cycle Unique Number Registration

Cyclists will be required to use a helmet & hi vis clothing for their safety

Cycling without a licence, CUNR, helmet or hi vis clothing will see the cycle seized & destroyed

— Sandford Police (@Sandford_Police) November 23, 2022

It’s all for the greater good you see…

WHAT? Need more details…. What about e-scooters then? https://t.co/P4tTWK5496

— VB (@IAdler6) November 23, 2022

I don’t see your statements on bicycles as true. Appreciate that these requirements were being considered but it appears they have been dropped.

— ns0110 (@ns01102) November 23, 2022

Wow great news. About time as the legislation hasn’t been really upgraded since derailer gears was invented. With electric assisted now too. Hope audible device on bike not just at sale of new has changed. In tourist Town we have pedestrian only cyclists think they can ride too

— Dragon Dorset (@GreenDragonpip) November 23, 2022

Who said Twitter was dead? 

23 November 2022, 09:13

If Spain vs Costa Rica was cycling...

Spain vs Costa Rica (Procyclingstats)
Spain vs Costa Rica (Procyclingstats) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Spain vs Costa Rica (Procyclingstats)
Spain vs Costa Rica (Procyclingstats) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Well worth the Procyclingstats digging into Movistar’s 2019 season…

23 November 2022, 09:13

Take a ride in your city's newest door zone cycle lane

IF THOSE ARE PARKING SPACES ON THE PAVEMENT I WILL LAUNCH THE TRAFFORD COUNCIL BUILDING INTO THE SUN https://t.co/YCEL54hgmd

— Hannah 🚲😈 (@theeyecollector) November 23, 2022

Despite the derisive questions of ‘is this the before pic?’ we’re sadly going to have to confirm… it’s not…

Why would you possibly endorse pavement parking?! Bicycles won’t be able to use that cycle lane as they will risk being car doored, so will have to cycle in the middle of the road – the whole thing is extremely unsafe.

— Claire 🚴🏼‍♀️🇪🇺💙 (@rowli87) November 22, 2022

1998 called and they want their plans back.

— Just Another Cyclist (@justacwab) November 22, 2022

Not one person who walks or cycles was involved in designing this

— Herzberg (@herzberg19) November 22, 2022

23 November 2022, 09:13

Bike hangars are "woke" (apparently) as car parking row rumbles on

Someone told The Sun about the Brighton bike hangar row…

The Sun bike hangar coverage
The Sun bike hangar coverage (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
The Sun bike hangar coverage
The Sun bike hangar coverage (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

It’s an ‘exclusive’ don’t you know… I think that must mean a week later than road.cc and local press’ coverage, with a couple of new quotes from locals. Sorry, I’ll play nicely from now on…

> NIMBY locals “concerned and distressed” by “giant ugly” bike hangar

Anyway, the newspaper spoke to a couple of locals, one of whom called the bike storage hangars a “cynical ploy” by the “woke Green council”.

“These hangars are a cynical ploy to raise more cash for council coffers. It is a perfect example of yet another pet project by our woke Green council that doesn’t make sense,” Ellie Reid suggested.

Laura King added: “This seems to be another weapon in the Greens’ aim to push motorists out of the city. These hangars are too large for the parking spaces, making them unsafe for pedestrians, especially wheelchair users and the visually impaired.”

Interesting take there, Laura. If correct then presumably parked cars and larger vehicles would also be unsafe for pedestrians? 

23 November 2022, 09:13

Whoa! What do you think of the head tube on Adam Blythe’s gold Genesis?

Whoa! What do you think of the head tube on Adam Blythe’s gold Genesis?

New bike for the racer-turned-pundit has one of the craziest front ends you'll ever see – sculpted by a former world champ

23 November 2022, 09:13

Motorist who deliberately slammed on brakes, causing cyclist to smash through car’s rear windscreen, jailed for 14 months

Motorist who deliberately slammed on brakes, causing cyclist to smash through car’s rear windscreen, jailed for 14 months

Driver William Bowman had dangerously overtaken two female cyclists just moments before the sickening collision, and initially blamed the seriously injured victim for the crash

23 November 2022, 09:13

“I saw this cat run towards me”: Californian mountain biker survives stand-off with cougar (includes video)

“I saw this cat run towards me”: Californian mountain biker survives stand-off with cougar (includes video)

“I jumped off the bike and put the bike between me and the cat, and just started screaming as loud as I could at it”

23 November 2022, 09:13

Near Miss of the Day 836: Company takes firm action after tanker driver close passes cyclist

Near Miss of the Day 836: Company takes firm action after tanker driver close passes cyclist

The driver was issued with a Notice of Intended Prosecution and resigned from his role after his employers launched an investigation into the incident

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Dan was the road.cc news editor from 2022-2026. He joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan mainly wrote news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too. Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, you’ll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he’ll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he’s a bit strange like that.  

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  1. brooksby
    November 23, 2022 at 9:33 am
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    https://www.theguardian.com

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/23/pedestrian-jungle-the-row-in-paris-over-rented-e-scooters

    Paris is considering a ban on rented electric scooters, warning that its fleet of 15,000 for-hire scooters presents safety concerns, is stressing pedestrians, clogs up city streets and is yet to prove its positive impact on the environment.

    Mayor Anne Hidalgo is expected to announce a decision on the future of rental e-scooters in the coming weeks as the French capital’s three operators – Lime, Dott and Tier – hope to renew their licences which expire in February. The operators have proposed a series of changes such as licence plates so police can track traffic offences and ID checks to make sure users are over 18.

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    • Miller
      November 23, 2022 at 10:12 am
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      Re Paris scooters, I was

      Re Paris scooters, I was briefly in Paris last week. Those scooters are everywhere, people obviously like them despite what the authorities may think. 

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    • Rakia
      November 23, 2022 at 10:13 am
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      Mayor Anne Hidalgo, whose

      Mayor Anne Hidalgo, whose traffic ideas are so wildly popular she managed to get the lowest number of presidential election votes for the Socialist party in history at 1.75%

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      • perce
        November 23, 2022 at 10:24 am
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        I had a very disturbing dream

        I had a very disturbing dream about daytime tv star Dale Winton last night. And a lady off the internet has lost her cat. Missing, not dead. I think

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      • Rendel Harris
        November 23, 2022 at 11:24 am
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        Rakia wrote:

        Mayor Anne Hidalgo, whose traffic ideas are so wildly popular she managed to get the lowest number of presidential election votes for the Socialist party in history at 1.75%

        — Rakia

        Whose traffic ideas only apply to Paris and where they are popular enough for her to have been elected mayor and won re-election. She didn’t stand for president on her traffic ideas.

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        • Daveyraveygravey
          November 23, 2022 at 12:54 pm
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          And from the pictures I’ve

          And from the pictures I’ve seen, Paris looks brilliant now!  If only city officials in the UK had the balls to do something similar.

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          • marmotte27
            November 23, 2022 at 6:36 pm
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            Bof…

            Bof…
            Been there a couple of weeks back; no children and elderly cycling, men outnumberig women 3 to one or thereabouts.

      • xcleigh1247
        November 23, 2022 at 6:15 pm
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        You should try getting out of

        You should try getting out of Essex and visiting Paris one day, would do you good to see a Beautiful city. I’ll be there next week, C U Next Tuesday maybe?! 

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  2. Hirsute
    November 23, 2022 at 9:35 am
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    SMIDSY

    SMIDSY

    You were in my blind spot.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiK9bslWAAAYhQ1?format=jpg&name=small

     

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    • Beatnik69
      November 23, 2022 at 10:09 am
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      Are those gun ports?

      Are those gun ports?

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      • chrisonabike
        November 23, 2022 at 10:39 am
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        No, it’s for efficiency at

        No, it’s for efficiency at the drive thru – so you can load Big Macs for everyone in the cab all at once.

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      • eburtthebike
        November 23, 2022 at 11:24 am
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        Beatnik69 wrote:

        Are those gun ports?

        — Beatnik69

        No.  One for each of the driver’s eyes.

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    • SimoninSpalding
      November 23, 2022 at 10:46 am
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      So there was a recent story

      So there was a recent story about a footballer being issued with a FPN for the front windows of his car not transmitting enough light. Assuming that wasn’t based on envy/ racism, I assume that the owner of this vehicle will be treated similarly?

      For clarity I am not defending Ivan Toney’s dangerous mdifications to his car, but you don’t have to spend much time in affluent areas of London to see fully murdered out cars with no action being taken by the Police.

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      • Hirsute
        November 23, 2022 at 11:01 am
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        Surrey Police have a numebr

        Surrey Police have a numebr of tweets on FPNs on window tints.

        I hope the vehicle was either seized or the wood removed.

        We have to share the roads with these people. Imagine crossing a side road and being mown down by the driver turning right off the main road.

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      • hutchdaddy
        November 23, 2022 at 1:06 pm
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        Brentford “just a bus stop in
        Brentford “just a bus stop in Hounslow” is not an affluent area of London.
        As great a player as Ivan Toney is, he’s much the same as so many football players, a normal bloke with too much money and too much time me. Hence the car mods. and the gambling.

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      • Simon_MacMichael
        November 23, 2022 at 1:11 pm
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        It’s a safe bet that an FPN

        It’s a safe bet that an FPN is probably the least of Ivan Toney’s worries right now 😉

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    • BalladOfStruth
      November 23, 2022 at 12:41 pm
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      Driver’s side too. That would

      Driver’s side too. That would be instant-death for any cyclist on a mini-roundabout.

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  3. mattw
    November 23, 2022 at 10:48 am
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    Puzzled by the head tube. Are

    Puzzled by the head tube. Are they trying to sell stuff to the 2022 version of Idi Amin?

    Would it not be more straightforward to have a flag saying something like – “Look at MEEEEEEEE – I’m the biggest plonker in the world” ?

    (Not really qualified to comment on whether it makes it 0.000000001 kph faster.)

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  4. hawkinspeter
    November 23, 2022 at 11:14 am
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    Woke hangars?

    Woke hangars?

    I can totally see how storing your bike in a semi-secure location is hitting back at systemic racism

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    • Awavey
      November 23, 2022 at 11:47 am
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      Maybe I’m reading the article
      Maybe I’m reading the article wrong but isnt Ellie of Brighton simply saying the Green council is “woke” not the bike hangers. Though I’m not sure how the Sun have ended up claiming the scheme itself is “woke”, maybe it was the intern who writ it, but the quote theyve used doesnt say that.

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      • hawkinspeter
        November 23, 2022 at 11:54 am
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        Awavey wrote:

        Maybe I’m reading the article wrong but isnt Ellie of Brighton simply saying the Green council is “woke” not the bike hangers. Though I’m not sure how the Sun have ended up claiming the scheme itself is “woke”, maybe it was the intern who writ it, but the quote theyve used doesnt say that.

        — Awavey

        Yes, but the inference is there. If they reported on the council making changes to bin collections, they’d be unlikely to mention that they are ‘woke’.

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        • chrisonabike
          November 23, 2022 at 2:04 pm
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          This is a local skip, for

          This is a local skip, for local people.  There’s nothing for you here.

          Presumably some of these folk would be concerned their rubbish wasn’t being collected by … local people?

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    • OnYerBike
      November 23, 2022 at 12:43 pm
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      Anyone who uses the term

      Anyone who uses the term “woke” pejoratively is implying that they know full well there is social injustice in the world, but they don’t care because it suits them nicely thank you very much.

      But I think cycling is “woke”:

      • On a global scale, climate change is expected to affect the poorest people the most.
      • On a local scale, air pollution most strongly affects people in lower income areas (and people of colour, which is correlated).
      • The households with lowest income are also least likely to own cars and likely to drive the lowest distance.
      • Cycling is, on average, far cheaper than driving.
      • The household with the lowest income are most likely to live in overcrowded spaces, in rented accommodation, in flats, and in properties without outside space (and therefore have least opportunity of storing bikes in their own property). 
      • Cycling is credited with aiding the emancipation of women, but today women are less likely to cycle than men, which is part of a broader pattern of transport planning focusing on “the commuter” rather than more diverse transport requirement.

      So cycling – and providing infrastructure to help other people cycle – seems to me to clearly fight social injustice. 

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      • hawkinspeter
        November 23, 2022 at 12:51 pm
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        OnYerBike wrote:

        Anyone who uses the term “woke” pejoratively is implying that they know full well there is social injustice in the world, but they don’t care because it suits them nicely thank you very much.

        But I think cycling is “woke”:

        • On a global scale, climate change is expected to affect the poorest people the most.
        • On a local scale, air pollution most strongly affects people in lower income areas (and people of colour, which is correlated).
        • The households with lowest income are also least likely to own cars and likely to drive the lowest distance.
        • Cycling is, on average, far cheaper than driving.
        • The household with the lowest income are most likely to live in overcrowded spaces, in rented accommodation, in flats, and in properties without outside space (and therefore have least opportunity of storing bikes in their own property). 
        • Cycling is credited with aiding the emancipation of women, but today women are less likely to cycle than men, which is part of a broader pattern of transport planning focusing on “the commuter” rather than more diverse transport requirement.

        So cycling – and providing infrastructure to help other people cycle – seems to me to clearly fight social injustice. 

        — OnYerBike

        Yes, cycling is definitely empowering. There’s no need to get any permission from authorities before jumping on a bike, so it’s anti-authoritarian as well.

        I do think the term ‘woke’ is being over-used – there’s the right-wing that idiotically use it as a perjorative and it’s cringey if people/companies describe themselves as ‘woke’.

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        • Simon_MacMichael
          November 23, 2022 at 1:09 pm
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          This also struck me as a

          This also struck me as a bizarre objection: “These hangars are a cynical ploy to raise more cash for council coffers.”

          Cash from whom? Motorists? Ummm, no. Local residents who own bikes, and are happy to pay around £1 a week for somewhere safe to store them.

          The council told us a couple of weeks ago that 359 of the current 360 spaces are taken – and there is reportedly also a waiting list running well into three figures.

           

           

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          • hawkinspeter
            November 23, 2022 at 1:26 pm
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            Simon_MacMichael wrote:

            This also struck me as a bizarre objection: “These hangars are a cynical ploy to raise more cash for council coffers.”

            Cash from whom? Motorists? Ummm, no. Local residents who own bikes, and are happy to pay around £1 a week for somewhere safe to store them.

            The council told us a couple of weeks ago that 359 of the current 360 spaces are taken – and there is reportedly also a waiting list running well into three figures.

            — Simon_MacMichael

            I think they’re complaining that the poor, hard-working, cash-strapped motorists have had one of their own parking spaces re-purposed just so that the council can make a nice little earner.

          • Rendel Harris
            November 23, 2022 at 1:29 pm
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            Simon_MacMichael wrote:

            This also struck me as a bizarre objection: “These hangars are a cynical ploy to raise more cash for council coffers.”

            Cash from whom? Motorists? Ummm, no. Local residents who own bikes, and are happy to pay around £1 a week for somewhere safe to store them.

            — Simon_MacMichael

            I don’t think councils make any profit from hangars anyway, do they? Certainly in London all the schemes I’ve looked at have been run by private companies (in Southwark it’s Cyclehoop), sometimes with a small subsidy per space provided by the council. 

        • Hirsute
          November 23, 2022 at 1:36 pm
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          Colin from Portsmouth can

          Colin from Portsmouth can help with understanding woke.

          https://mobile.twitter.com/Exploding_Heads/status/1590029685307899904

          (sorry if you don’t have a login)

           

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          • hawkinspeter
            November 23, 2022 at 1:49 pm
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            hirsute wrote:

            Colin from Portsmouth can help with understanding woke.

            https://mobile.twitter.com/Exploding_Heads/status/1590029685307899904

            (sorry if you don’t have a login)

            — hirsute

            Unfortunately I do have a login, but it’s just a work bot account for alerting about servers.

    • Tom_77
      November 23, 2022 at 2:15 pm
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      hawkinspeter wrote:

      Woke hangars?

      I can totally see how storing your bike in a semi-secure location is hitting back at systemic racism

      — hawkinspeter

      If you’re a right-wing journalist then Woke can be used to describe pretty much anything you disapprove of. It’s the modern day Political Corectness Gone Mad.

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      • Steve K
        November 23, 2022 at 4:31 pm
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        Tom_77 wrote:

        If you’re a right-wing journalist then Woke can be used to describe pretty much anything you disapprove of. It’s the modern day Political Corectness Gone Mad.

        — Tom_77

        It’s so difficult to keep up with what language is acceptable now, isn’t it?

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        • eburtthebike
          November 26, 2022 at 11:30 pm
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          Steve K wrote:

          If you’re a right-wing journalist then Woke can be used to describe pretty much anything you disapprove of. It’s the modern day Political Corectness Gone Mad.

          — Steve K

          It’s so difficult to keep up with what language is acceptable now, isn’t it?

          — Tom_77

          Nah, bolox mate, it’s fu**ing easy init.

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  5. eburtthebike
    November 23, 2022 at 11:20 am
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    Bike hangars are “woke”

    Bike hangars are “woke” (apparently) as car parking row rumbles on

    Couple of things intrigue me about this story, the first being the completely incorrect use of “woke” as an insult, and the second is the very generic sounding names of the two people quoted.

    The real definition of woke is that you are alert to others’ problems and empathise with them; quite how that got to be an insult, I have absolutely no idea.  What I do know is that the people using it as an insult have no idea what it means, and I’ve asked several.

    A long time ago, I complained about the local rag printing opinion as fact, and the PCC or whatever is was then agreed with me.  The editor got around this by using quotes from people, which could be factual if those people actually said them.  They were suspiciously common names though, but there is no way of proving that the reporter made them up.  Ellie Reid and Laura King from Brighton?  Hmmmm.  Added to the fact that no rational person would say what they are supposed to have said leads me to suspect that they might be fictitious.

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    • hawkinspeter
      November 23, 2022 at 11:31 am
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      eburtthebike wrote:

      The real definition of woke is that you are alert to others’ problems and empathise with them; quite how that got to be an insult, I have absolutely no idea.  What I do know is that the people using it as an insult have no idea what it means, and I’ve asked several.

      — eburtthebike

      According to Wikipedia, ‘woke’ means “alert to racial prejudice and discrimination”, but also includes other forms of social inequalities (e.g. sexism). Its use goes way back and Lead Belly used it in his 1938 song Scottsboro Boys.

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      • Bmblbzzz
        November 23, 2022 at 8:08 pm
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        Long time since I was

        Long time since I was listening to Lead Belly. 

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      • Bmblbzzz
        November 23, 2022 at 8:18 pm
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        Okay, just listened to it. 

        Okay, just listened to it. 

        “I advise everybody be a little careful when they go along through that, stay woke, keep their eyes open.”

        It’s right at the end of that recording. I can’t agree he’s using it in the modern sense, he’s telling people to stay alert – awake, even – to danger they themselves might face. 

        But if anybody can find a Lead Belly song about bike hangars or even tofu… 

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        • hawkinspeter
          November 24, 2022 at 9:08 am
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          Bmblbzzz wrote:

          Okay, just listened to it. 

          “I advise everybody be a little careful when they go along through that, stay woke, keep their eyes open.”

          It’s right at the end of that recording. I can’t agree he’s using it in the modern sense, he’s telling people to stay alert – awake, even – to danger they themselves might face. 

          But if anybody can find a Lead Belly song about bike hangars or even tofu… 

          — Bmblbzzz

          I don’t know, it sounds like ‘stay woke’ is being used to be aware of the racism and lack of justice around there. considering the subject matter of the song.

          The Scottsboro Boys were nine African American teenagers, ages 13 to 20, falsely accused in Alabama of raping two white women on a train in 1931. The landmark set of legal cases from this incident dealt with racism and the right to a fair trial. The cases included a lynch mob before the suspects had been indicted, all-white juries, rushed trials, and disruptive mobs. It is commonly cited as an example of a miscarriage of justice in the United States legal system.

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    • brooksby
      November 23, 2022 at 11:51 am
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      The Sun?  Lying?  Say it ain

      The Sun?  Lying?  Say it ain’t so… 

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    • IanMK
      November 23, 2022 at 12:05 pm
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      There’s certainly a lot to

      There’s certainly a lot to unpick.

      I’m not sure why Ellie feels the ploy to be cynical and certainly I think a scheme that raises more money for the council whilst hopefully addressing polution and climate change does, in fact, makes total sense. 

      Meanwhile I have bunch of questions for Laura. Is she suggesting that the council would like motorists to moving out of Brighton perhaps to properties that have a drive, for example? What constitutes too large for a parking space? I would have thought that was predicated by the size of the parking space. Also we really need to know how these are unsafe for people using a pavement?

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    • Rakia
      November 23, 2022 at 3:13 pm
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      eburtthebike wrote:

      The real definition of woke is that you are alert to others’ problems and empathise with them; quite how that got to be an insult, I have absolutely no idea.  What I do know is that the people using it as an insult have no idea what it means, and I’ve asked several.

      — eburtthebike

      Er no, that’s the fake definition of woke. The real definition of “woke” is the following:

      “A term used for white middle class people who superficially show an interest in social justice in order to capture the moral high ground (and the business and social opportunities that arise from it), while continuing to remain ignorant of any real social issues or the irrationality of their view points.

      Extra points are awarded for any of the following:

      • writing he/him or she/her on email signatures and LinkedIn profiles.
      • pretending that you’re an anti-racist
      • pretending that you’re autistic
      • wallowing in self-pity
      • believing in equality of outcome rather than opportunity
      • being offended at virtually anything on behalf of a “marginalised group”.

      In this case, using “woke” to describe the bike eyesores is perfectly apt: you’re pretending to be doing something for the good of society (capturing the moral high ground) while really doing it out of spite to deny the hard working local population somewhere to park their cars, because they are too poor to afford a nice middle class driveway and garage.

      So now you have the real definition of “woke”, make sure you use the term properly.

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      • hutchdaddy
        November 23, 2022 at 1:01 pm
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        “Woke” you send me to sleep.
        “Woke” you send me to sleep.

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      • stomec
        November 23, 2022 at 1:03 pm
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        Hi Rakia, rather than trying

        Hi Rakia, rather than trying to get attention on cycling forums, you may find some of the following groups helpful:

        https://mensgroup.com/community

        http://menupnorth.co.uk/

        https://www.directionsformen.org.uk/

         

        There are often more local groups too.  I’m sure you would be able to find a sympathetic person to sit down with and talk to for a while; developing genuine personal relationships will be much better in the long term for your mental health, rather than trolling on the internet for the short term feeling that someone, anyone has at least acknowledged your existence.

        I appreciate that reaching out like this will feel like a big challenge but I am sure it will be worth your while.

        Best wishes

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      • Rendel Harris
        November 23, 2022 at 1:09 pm
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        Funny that you’ve put your

        Funny that you’ve put your definition in quotes as if it comes from some authoritative source, but a quick Google search reveals no such quote in existence. When your argument is so weak that you can’t find a decent quote to back it up and have to make one up it’s time to have a word with yourself.

        By the way saying that woke includes “pretending you’re autistic” is utterly reprehensible.

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        • Rakia
          November 23, 2022 at 2:19 pm
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          Rendel Harris wrote:

          Funny that you’ve put your definition in quotes as if it comes from some authoritative source, but a quick Google search reveals no such quote in existence. When your argument is so weak that you can’t find a decent quote to back it up and have to make one up it’s time to have a word with yourself.

          By the way saying that woke includes “pretending you’re autistic” is utterly reprehensible.

          — Rendel Harris

          I used quotes to delineate the definition from the rest of the comment. It’s my own freshly-minted definition, and it’s very flattering to hear that you thought it came from a real dictionary it was so good!

          On your point about autism, that’s just my experience. I’m not talking about people with genuine autism, but you find plenty of wokists who aren’t otherwise part of a “marginalised” group, and so don’t have a crutch of victimisation to use. They therefore feign autism (this is never actually diagnosed by a medical professional) as a reason why they “are different”. Although they prefer (naturally) to use the phrase “neuro-diverse” as it sounds more mystical and less backward.

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          • Rendel Harris
            November 23, 2022 at 4:28 pm
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            Rakia wrote:

            I used quotes to delineate the definition from the rest of the comment. It’s my own freshly-minted definition, and it’s very flattering to hear that you thought it came from a real dictionary it was so good!

            — Rakia

            No, I thought it was semi-literate bollocks. That’s why I Googled it, I was fascinated to see who could have come out with such utter nonsense.

      • Adam Sutton
        November 23, 2022 at 5:19 pm
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        On the flip side there are

        On the flip side there are people like yourself who love to spin “woke” into some all encompassing catch all, basically to excuse the fact that you are just a shitty person who lacks any kind of empathy. 

        The funny thing is, of course there are people on the extreme, getting offended over nothing for attention. Yet here you are being an edgelord for attention, much in the same way they do, just from the other side taking pride in being an arsehole.

        I mean, you actually stated: “using “woke” to describe the bike eyesores is perfectly apt” *rolls eyes*

        At the very worse they are like much of the counrtries cycle infrastructure and poorly planned. I mean I seriously question the person who slapped one across two spaces and thought job done, but woke? PMSL!

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      • xcleigh1247
        November 23, 2022 at 6:10 pm
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        You’re a Jordan Peterson

        You’re a Jordan Peterson acolyte aren’t you, you must be to come up with this absolute BS. 
        Anyway, C U Next Tuesday at the local cycle cross mash up?

         

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        • Rendel Harris
          November 23, 2022 at 6:23 pm
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          xcleigh1247 wrote:

          You’re a Jordan Peterson acolyte aren’t you, you must be to come up with this absolute BS. 

          — xcleigh1247

          Good deduction, he absolutely is, under at least two of his previous identities he used regularly to eulogise him and furnish us with snippets of his “wisdom”.

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      • Simon E
        November 23, 2022 at 8:02 pm
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        Rakia wrote:

        The real definition of “woke” is the following:

        “A term used for white middle class people who superficially show an interest in social justice in order to capture the moral high ground (and the business and social opportunities that arise from it), while continuing to remain ignorant of any real social issues or the irrationality of their view points.

        …

        using “woke” to describe the bike eyesores is perfectly apt:— RakiaThis is really rather humorous (I typed hilarious but then decided it wasn’t quite that good).

        Rakia/Nigel/whoever – he/she/they/it/ – may be morphing into a bit of a self-parodying comedian. Or has the AI moved on to learning from slightly cleverer sources?

        The bike hanger is no more of an eyesore than an SUV, trailer or a shed; and as it is an inanimate object it can’t possibly be ‘woke’.

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    • TheBillder
      November 23, 2022 at 5:52 pm
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      eburtthebike wrote:

      Ellie Reid and Laura King from Brighton?  Hmmmm. 

      — eburtthebike

      They are from the Department of Studies at the University of Fulchester.

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  6. Awavey
    November 23, 2022 at 11:50 am
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    Whilst everyone laments the
    Whilst everyone laments the Blythe bike appearance, is it not actually a genius move in that no one would dare want to steal it, to ever be seen riding it.

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    • Rendel Harris
      November 23, 2022 at 1:23 pm
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      Awavey wrote:

      Whilst everyone laments the Blythe bike appearance, is it not actually a genius move in that no one would dare want to steal it, to ever be seen riding it.

      — Awavey

      Also if he ever fancies taking up racing again his competitors would be so doubled up with laughter he’d be able to steal a march on the field.

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  7. brooksby
    November 23, 2022 at 11:50 am
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    If Brighton has a Green

    If Brighton has a Green council then doesn’t that mean that more people voted for the Greens?  So, liked their policies?  Isn’t that how our democracy (currently) works, so why are people complaining?

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    • hawkinspeter
      November 23, 2022 at 11:56 am
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      brooksby wrote:

      If Brighton has a Green council then doesn’t that mean that more people voted for the Greens?  So, liked their policies?  Isn’t that how our democracy (currently) works, so why are people complaining?

      — brooksby

      It’s not the people complaining, but a couple of journalists hacks stirring up the carbrains.

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      • ShutTheFrontDawes
        November 23, 2022 at 4:13 pm
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        It’s spelled C-U-N-T-S.
        It’s spelled C-U-N-T-S.

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  8. Pub bike
    November 23, 2022 at 12:06 pm
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    Bike hangers are a symptom of

    Bike hangers are a symptom of a failed (and failing) planning system that hasn’t ensured buildings have sufficient bike parking since the dawn of time.  Bikes and cycling are not new, and predate the motor car, so this is absentmindedness on a stick from our brain-dead local government.

    Suffficient cycle parking provision should have been and should be a planning condition on every S106, just like bin storage, fire access etc.

    So bike hangers it is then – a sticking plaster.

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  9. Rendel Harris
    November 23, 2022 at 12:07 pm
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    Laura King’s complaint about

    Laura King’s complaint about the hangars being “too large for parking spaces” presumably refers to the fact that most of the designs have the nearside feet on the kerb to facilitate door opening; I’ve glanced at the one in our street and it takes about six inches maximum off the pavement.

    Our Laura also made it into the Daily Mail with the same story and complaints (I read it so you don’t have to), adding “‘They also have no reflective strips on them to make them visible at night making them dangerous for motorists.” If any readers happen to own large shiny metal green cars in Brighton, I suggest you find a private parking space for them because if Laura’s driving around at night she won’t see them when they are parked.

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    • IanMK
      November 23, 2022 at 12:25 pm
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      Rendel Harris wrote:

      Laura King’s complaint about the hangars being “too large for parking spaces” presumably refers to the fact that most of the designs have the nearside feet on the kerb to facilitate door opening; I’ve glanced at the one in our street and it takes about six inches maximum off the pavement.

      — Rendel Harris

      I hadn’t thoought of that. If that’s the case then possibly a bit of a design error. If they weren’t stood on the pavement would they stick out?  I’m pretty sure if Laura addressed what might be a genuine concern in some areas to Council they might be able to find a welder to raise the height so it didn’t have to sit on the kerb. I do not believe that any scheme like this can’t be improved upon and constructive criticism from the public should be welcomed.

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      • Rendel Harris
        November 23, 2022 at 12:32 pm
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        As I said, it’s literally

        As I said, it’s literally less than the width of the kerbstone that’s taken up, no serious person could claim that it’s going to cause the slightest obstruction or safety hazard and so I don’t think it really comes under the heading of constructive criticism.

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        • Rakia
          November 23, 2022 at 12:38 pm
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          So if that’s the case, why do

          So if that’s the case, why do you get a parking ticket for doing that in London?

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          • Rendel Harris
            November 23, 2022 at 12:46 pm
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            Rakia wrote:

            So if that’s the case, why do you get a parking ticket for doing that in London?

            — Rakia

            Because as is well-known, if you give motorists an inch they will take a yard (why should I be fined when I was only going 2 miles an hour over the speed limit? etc). Clearly it’s easier to have a complete pavement parking ban than it would be to waste taxpayer money on compensation for errors caused by poor cycling judgement arguing the exact distance somebody has parked over the kerb.

          • chrisonabike
            November 23, 2022 at 1:58 pm
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            You missed your cue – it’s a

            You missed your cue – it’s a simple “Can’t park there, mate”.

          • ShutTheFrontDawes
            November 23, 2022 at 4:12 pm
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            Because it’s illegal to park
            Because it’s illegal to park a motor vehicle on the pavement in London (as per Greater London Council (General Powers) Act 1974, section 15).

            You are displaying your usual deference for UK law, Rakia.

          • a1white
            November 23, 2022 at 5:06 pm
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            Rakia wrote:

            So if that’s the case, why do you get a parking ticket for doing that in London?

            — Rakia

            You really are very unlikely to get a ticket for half of your tyre being on the kerb. Half of the cars are I see parked in London are too wide for the marked spaces now anyway – I’ve never seen these ticketed.

          • IanMSpencer
            November 24, 2022 at 1:27 am
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            Anything to do with Council
            Anything to do with Council enforcement can be fought on the obligation of their enforcement being reasonable including the de minimis principle – so overhanging a double yellow by less than a foot can normally be appealed, and being slightly over the pavement may also be deemed to be trivial – doesn’t stop them issuing tickets and trying for the money, but it could be argued against. It’s different to a speeding offence where if you tried to argue you were doing only 31 in a 30 so it wasn’t really speeding would be an admission of the absolute offence.

        • IanMK
          November 23, 2022 at 12:51 pm
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          Er No, absolutely no issue.

          Er No, absolutely no issue. I don’t think that’s even 2 inches. In your case it’s obvious that the door mirror of the van overhangs the pavement by more than that.

          I wasn’t suggesting that Laura was giving constructive criticism only that if anyone did have a useful observation to make that might improve the scheme then that should be welcome.

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  10. ribena
    November 23, 2022 at 12:28 pm
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    Laura King is a real person

    Laura King is a real person and has appeared in the local paper quite a few times…
    https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/20299365.brighton-resident-felt-mocked-councillors-laughed-expenses-concerns/
    https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/16062828.make-new-friends—top-speed/
    https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/14965898.caught-on-cctv-the-couple-in-hove-who-lured-and-stole-much-loved-mr-cheeky-the-cat-now-being-sought-by-police/

     

     

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  11. brooksby
    November 23, 2022 at 2:22 pm
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    https://metro.co.uk/2022/11

    Dad spared road ban after saying he drank whisky in car to avoid wife at home

    A businessman found drunk at the wheel of his Tesla has been spared a driving ban after insisting he was only swigging whisky in the car to avoid bumping into his estranged wife at home.

    Simon Hayes, 50, blew nearly three times the limit when police turned up to a car park around a mile from his £500,000 property in Wilmslow, Cheshire, after reports he was asleep in the driver’s seat.

    He pleaded guilty to being drunk in charge of a motor vehicle at Crewe Magistrates’ Court, where JPs decided to impose 10 penalty points instead of a disqualification.

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  12. NPlus1Bikelights
    November 23, 2022 at 6:13 pm
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    Wow a video from CycleGaz

    Wow a video from CycleGaz where a justified shout of idiota is absent. Rare stuff.

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  13. Hirsute
    November 23, 2022 at 7:58 pm
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    Another woke hangar, this to
    Another woke hangar, time for cargo bikes and it has a bollard.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/HarryHamishGray/status/1595406034071330818

    Don’t get me started on a disabled astronaut – how woke is that ?

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  14. levestane
    November 23, 2022 at 8:12 pm
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    Drivers – fuming; very good!

    Drivers – fuming; very good!

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  15. brooksby
    November 24, 2022 at 8:46 am
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    “Ignore false claims and bad

    “Ignore false claims and bad journalism – most LTNs do reduce traffic” – Andrew Gilligan

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2022/nov/24/ignore-false-claims-and-bad-journalism-most-ltns-do-reduce-traffic

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mattw 7 minutes ago

This is my local constabulary. Does anyone know if there is any actual evidence behind this beyond "deemed", or do I need to FOI them? I think that if we actually had some cycle tracks without anti-cycling barriers, there would be fewer cyclists on the roads to be run down.

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eburtthebike 8 minutes ago

Labour MP Clive Betts seems to be another of those MPs who think that all of his constituents drive cars: none of them ride bikes or catch buses. And none of them are at all worried about climate change, pollution, congestion or dead cyclists. "Betts went as far as to describe the whole scheme to the BBC as “a complete waste of money”, “not necessary” and “a cycle lane to nowhere” I wish that this idiot was my MP (who is bad enough) as he would be getting a broadside from me, and demands that at least tries to be sensible sometimes. Honestly, MPs are supposed to be relatively intelligent.

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OldTom 10 minutes ago

@the infamous grouse It is the job of the defence solicitor to put the best possible case for their client. I think the defendant is a disgusting individual of little worth who deserves to be hit with the harshest possible sentence having now been convicted. I suspect you do too. But the role of the defence here, is to defend. It is the role of the jury to determine to what extent that defence holds up (as well as to consider the extent to which the prosecution has made its case). They have done so. Justice has been served in all regards. Having defending legal representation, whatever the crime, is a necessary cornerstone of our justice system. They have to be there for the worst people as well as those who are innocent and everyone in-between. The alternative is not a system we want to get into.

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eburtthebike 19 minutes ago

While I can only applaud the jury for their verdict, it gives me little joy. Two lives have been ruined when it could all have been so easily avoided. The state of mind of Simon Richardson is not mentioned, but he must be some kind of sociopath to behave so incredibly callously. My thoughts are with the family and friends of Michael Mullins, and I hope that this brings some closure to them.

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ymm 20 minutes ago

@mitsky The mentality of, 'its just a cyclist' pervades throughout society and discourse, and is normalised to the extent that the killer likely believed this and therefore thought he would be judged in a more lenient way by the courts and by peers, which is what we see all of the time, both in sentencing and by the reporting in some media. It will be interesting to see how the media overall portrays this killer over coming days and I expect the hostility towards the cyclist community to be on full display (sadly!).

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mitsky 41 minutes ago

A perfect example where I advocate for loss of taste buds and libido as a deterrent. Because clearly, the murderer felt he could try to get away with it by his actions. Both at the time and next day to try to evade arrest. And even if arrested his belief might have been he'd get a relatively lenient sentence because... "it was just a cyclist"... Because we see so many lenient sentences when drivers KSI cyclists.

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mdavidford 47 minutes ago

Only a cynic would suggest that some of them might have thought there was political capital to be had in deliberately running out the clock so that they could claim they were being 'forced' to put in 20 limits that 'didn't make sense' and then 'fighting back' by taking them out again...

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Surreyrider 54 minutes ago

@jaymack Must have moved recently - I could have sworn he lives near me.

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IanMK 58 minutes ago

@DrG82 I think the LAs bungled the exceptions. They had plenty of time in the run up to the implementation date to apply exceptions but mostly frittered this time away. Regardless, I think that the reduction in casualties brings financial savings not just to the NHS but the economy as a whole and makes it a great investment.

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the infamous grouse 58 minutes ago

@the little onion the level of self-deception required to honestly and truthfully attempt such an argument seems in opposition of service to the crown. antithetical, even.

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