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Town needs ‘proper infrastructure, not cheap and easy 20mph signs’; St Patrick’s Day: Kelly on the Poggio; Book a MTB tour to help Ukraine; Cycling UK’s 145-mile Kent route; Bikepacking; Coffee or petrol?; Loulou races Cheltenham + more on the live blog

Happy St Patrick’s Day! To celebrate, Ryan Mallon’s here for a special green edition of Thursday’s live blog
  • by Ryan Mallon
Thu, Mar 17, 2022 09:40
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SUMMARY

  • ‘Drunk cyclist’ arrested after collision in West Derby
  • Inter X Cinelli: the great football-cycling crossover continues
  • Cav: No-one from the team talked to me about Milan-San Remo
  • How do you solve a problem like Tadej?
  • Happy St Patrick's Day everyone!
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17 March 2022, 09:40

‘Drunk cyclist’ arrested after collision in West Derby

A man was arrested on Tuesday on suspicion of cycling while drunk after a woman was knocked down in a collision.

Merseyside Police attended the scene on the Eaton Road in West Derby after reports of a crash involving a man on a bike. The woman was taken to hospital with minor injuries.

The cyclist was arrested at the scene and taken into custody on suspicion of riding his bike while drunk.

17 March 2022, 09:40

Inter X Cinelli: the great football-cycling crossover continues

The other day we featured on the blog a throwback to one of the all-time great football and cycling collaborations: namely, an old photo of the Yates twins as children with a floppy haired David Beckham.

Well, someone at Inter Milan (the city rivals of Becks’ old club AC) must have been inspired by the idea of a football-cycling crossover, as the three-time European Champions have teamed up with another venerable Italian brand, Cinelli, on a limited-edition joint range of cycling gear and bikes.

Basically, if broadcaster James Richardson has been a fundamental part of your sports viewing life (on Channel 4’s Football Italia and Eurosport’s Tour de France coverage), or if you had posters of both Marco Pantani and Roberto Baggio in the 1990s, then this is right down your street.

Inter Cinelli
Inter Cinelli (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Inter Cinelli
Inter Cinelli (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

The first part of this collaboration, the ‘Made in Milan’ collection, was released today and features a jersey, bib shorts, socks and cap all inspired by the city’s industrial history and art.

Inter and Cinelli have also worked together on a very cool range of bikes, including two Vigorelli track bikes, a Nemo Tig gravel bike and a very classy Nemo Tig road bike.

Inter Cinelli Nemo Tig
Inter Cinelli Nemo Tig (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Inter Cinelli Nemo Tig
Inter Cinelli Nemo Tig (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

The collection all forms part of Inter’s aim to show “that the club is capable of thriving in worlds beyond football and forging ever deeper bonds with iconic Milanese brands.”

Speaking of Milan icons, the collaboration will be officially presented in the city’s famous old Vigorelli velodrome (just down the road from Inter’s San Siro home), on Saturday before the start of Milan-San Remo.

The above video features players from Inter’s U19 women’s team and men’s Primavera Youth team (another nod to Saturday’s classic), as well as the Cinelli racing team, further underlining this “meeting of the worlds”.

The collab’s second round will feature colour variants (woohoo!) and will be launched in June.

I wonder if this footballing-cycling mashup will catch on. If it does I for one can’t wait for the Wolves-Le Col crossover…

17 March 2022, 09:40

Cav: No-one from the team talked to me about Milan-San Remo

Despite an impressive win at the newly sprint-ified Milano-Torino yesterday, Mark Cavendish won’t be lining up at the start of Milan-San Remo on Saturday, a classic he won in scintillating fashion back in 2009.

After Julian Alaphilippe was ruled out with bronchitis, Quick Step-Alpha Vinyl called up Fabio Jakobsen to fill the Frenchman’s spot at La Primavera.

Jakobsen also appears to be the Manx rider’s biggest rival for a place on Quick Step’s Tour de France team, amidst reports that the Dutchman is currently the squad’s preferred option for the sprinting berth in France.

Speaking at the post-race press conference yesterday, Cavendish said he hadn’t spoken with the team about riding the first monument of the season.

“You’ll have to ask the team,” Cavendish said. “No-one from the team talked to me about it, so I don’t know, I don’t know. Obviously, I have won it. I’d like to do it, but nobody talked to me so…

“I’m on a separate programme this year. I don’t really do any big races, though I’ll be back in Italy for the Giro d’Italia.”

There go our hopes of one last trademark Cavendish sprint on the Via Roma then…

17 March 2022, 09:40

How do you solve a problem like Tadej?

With Tadej Pogačar widely expected to blow Milan-San Remo apart on Saturday, some riders are coming up with ingenious plans to outfox the Slovenian superstar:

This is how you get ahead of Pogi. Set off on Wednesday. Not just a pretty face, Wout van Aert 😉 #MilanSanRemo pic.twitter.com/Myj973fMae

— Katy M (@writebikerepeat) March 16, 2022

While it seems as if many within the peloton, including Julian Alaphilippe and defending champion Jasper Stuyven, are trying to avoid yet another hiding at the hands of the 23-year-old by simply not showing up: 

At this rate, Pogačar will go solo because he’ll be the only rider in the race.

— Sadhbh O’Shea (@SadhbhOS) March 17, 2022

Though for anyone jumping the gun about Pogačar’s perceived ‘boring’ dominance of the sport, check out this thread by former Procycling editor Ed Pickering: 

I think the ennui about Pogačar’s current dominance in cycling is very premature. A short thread.

— Edward Pickering (@EdwardPickering) March 17, 2022

I know you didn’t ask, but here are my thoughts on the whole ‘Oh, Pog is going to ruin cycling’ debate:

I’m not at all convinced by the arguments that the sport is in danger of becoming predictable at the hands of a rider who is contributing to the most exciting and attacking racing we’ve seen since the 1980s, who is trying to win every race he enters (a real novelty in the sport’s modern era), and who hasn’t even won many of the races fans are willing him to fail at, for fear the sport will become boring.

Perhaps when Pogačar has captured his fifth Tour in a row, second Giro, third Vuelta, fourth Liège and Lombardia, third Flanders, San Remo and Roubaix (you get the point), then the critics will have a point.

But until then, we should just appreciate – with a healthy dose of scepticism instilled through years of watching cycling – a generational talent winning and racing in a manner which we never thought we’d see again.

And if he rips Saturday’s race to pieces on the Turchino, then even better…

17 March 2022, 09:40

Happy St Patrick's Day everyone!

Happy St. Patrick’s Day to two of the finest Irish riders, Philip O’Ganna and Matty O’Trentin 🇮🇪

— The TT Podcast 🚴‍♂️ (@ttpdcst) March 17, 2022

17 March 2022, 09:40

Repeat offender who stole bike at Gatwick Airport in full view of CCTV cameras jailed

Repeat offender who stole bike at Gatwick Airport in full view of CCTV cameras jailed

Max Huggett was already serving a suspended sentence for similar offences at the airport.

17 March 2022, 09:40

It’s not just cyclists loving the Snake Pass closure – local residents do too thanks to the peace and quiet

It’s not just cyclists loving the Snake Pass closure – local residents do too thanks to the peace and quiet

Cyclists set to take to iconic Peak District road again this week despite Derbyshire County Council insisting they are banned too

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  1. TriTaxMan
    March 17, 2022 at 10:02 am
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    On a bit of an aside…… My

    On a bit of an aside…… My FOI request from Thames Valley Police requesting information on the number of Helmet Camera Videos submitted and the relevant action taken has been denied.

    “Part of this information is not held in an easily retrievable format. In order to provide accurate data relevant to the outcomes, we would have to manually review each case, as this will be within the body of each report. Due to the number of reports that would require review this will exceed the appropriate 18 hour time and £450 cost limit.  “

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    • Hirsute
      March 17, 2022 at 10:32 am
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      What do they ask on the form

      What do they ask on the form you complete for submission?

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      • TriTaxMan
        March 17, 2022 at 10:51 am
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        hirsute wrote:

        What do they ask on the form you complete for submission?

        — hirsute

        It’s an online form with an empty box where you complete with the information you want released.  (https://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/rqo/request/ri/request-information/rip/request-information-police/request-information-about-police/foi-request-form/)

        I asked – 

        “Following submission of helmet camera footage by cyclists to Thames Valley Police please confirm the number of videos submitted during the year ended 31st December 2021.  In addition please confirm the number of videos which resulted in 
        a. – No Further Action;
        b. – Driver issued with a warning letter; 
        c. – Driver attended a driver improvement course; and
        d. – Driver issued with penalty points”

        I might have been too specific with the information requests.  Maybe I should have just narrowed it down to number of submissions received and number of NFA’s

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        • Hirsute
          March 17, 2022 at 11:08 am
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          I meant the orginal

          I meant the orginal submission for a traffic offence.

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          • TriTaxMan
            March 17, 2022 at 11:24 am
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            hirsute wrote:

            I meant the orginal submission for a traffic offence.

            — hirsute

            I’ve not had the joy of submitting to TVP, only Northumberland Police.

          • Hirsute
            March 17, 2022 at 11:55 am
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            Essex changed their form and

            Essex changed their form and it now asks you what you used on the submission page. If TVP don’t ask this as a required field, then I can see it would take manual effort to answer the question.

            I did do one submission to Northumberland Police but the upload speed was so poor in the rental place that it timed out !

        • GMBasix
          March 17, 2022 at 12:29 pm
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          I note the following from the

          I note the following from the ICO web site:

           You can automatically withhold information because an exemption applies only if the exemption is ‘absolute’. This may be, for example, information you receive from the security services, which is covered by an absolute exemption. However, most exemptions are not absolute but require you to apply a public interest test. This means you must consider the public interest arguments before deciding whether to disclose the information. So you may have to disclose information in spite of an exemption, where it is in the public interest to do so.

          — ICO

          (Emphasis added)

          You might wish to follow up and ask for the public interest evaluation (as an FOI request, for the avoidance of doubt, although the Act doesn’t require you to say so).

          I agree with you, that it might be worth requesting simpler stats of submissions and NFAs.  After that, I would suggest recruiting local support to press the PCC for more action to have the matter more properly researched.

          It seems a bit anachronous that the questions you have asked are not readily answered by a fairly basic set of search criteria of the force’s database(s).  They could even set out categories of errors or containment (“we extracted cases that included the following categories, the following words and attached files of the following filetypes”).

          If that doesn’t narrow down the number of cases that may need to be researched individually (for maybe a couple of minutes each as part of the 18-hour limit), then that indicates a more serious category of incidents, which suggests that there is a public interest and that the force should be conducting more detailed analysis in any case.

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        • Grahamd
          March 17, 2022 at 1:36 pm
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          Perhaps it’s just the mood I

          Perhaps it’s just the mood I am in, but I would narrow it down considerably to:

          – How many submissions for the week ending 31/12.

          – How many had no further action.

          Once I had that I would send a second request for week ending 24/12 and so forth…

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        • Mary Willoughby
          March 17, 2022 at 1:40 pm
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          Hmmm, I wonder whether the

          Hmmm, I wonder whether the specific reference to “helmet” cameras was taken literally.

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          • SimoninSpalding
            March 17, 2022 at 1:57 pm
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            This was my thought – they

            This was my thought – they could use the specific device used to capture a video as the excuse for not providing the data. Resubmit FOI referencing upload of visual evidence and they will have to think again.

             

    • HoarseMann
      March 17, 2022 at 10:45 am
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      Yet some forces manage to

      Yet some forces manage to publish this information without being asked!

      It seems like they’re missing a trick, punishing an individual for a misdemeanour is only a small part of the justice process. The larger benefit is deterring others doing the same by increasing the perception that getting caught is likely. You need publicity for that.

      I have a submission in at the moment with TVP, the NIP has been returned and the case is now awaiting an officer to review and decide on the course of action. I’ve asked they put a note on the file that this course of action is discussed with me prior to being implemented (quoting my rights under the victims code).

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    • IanMK
      March 17, 2022 at 12:20 pm
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      I was reviewing some footage

      I was reviewing some footage from over the weekend. Started off with 2 overtakes, on my highstreet, as I was just entering the zigzags on a crossing. I just don’t think I can be bothered. 

      I’ve made 5 submissions to TVP since getting the camera. I only got one automatic response which was NFA. I chased 2 and on both occasions they phoned me before 8.00am to discuss. Even on the worst one they asked if they could share my footage with the company so that they could have words with their driver. Some of the other nonsense they came out with just went to show they had no interest in changing driver behaviour.

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      • Hirsute
        March 17, 2022 at 1:16 pm
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        It’s not an offence to

        It’s not an offence to overtake a cyclist on a zigzag – only applies to motorised traffic.

        You could make an argument for careless/inconsiderate driving but I can’t see that going anywhere.

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        • IanMK
          March 17, 2022 at 1:58 pm
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          I think this is something

          I think this is something that has change. Agreed it’s not an offence but rule 167 now says 

          DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example

          on the approach to crossing facilities

          (I think you are correct about the law bit which was covered in Rule 165. I’d have to follow the link to the RTA and find it specifically but this as you say won’t have changed.)

          So I take primary to dissuade overtaking and they still overtake but of course fail to give 1.5m. Additionally in both cases they swing back in earlier than I would like because they see another car coming in the opposite direction. I’m not expecting any prosecutions but they could be “advised” on best practice.

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          • eburtthebike
            March 18, 2022 at 5:00 am
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            The HC may say that, but it

            The HC may say that, but it isn’t law.  In the event of a collision, it would probably be taken into account though.

  2. brooksby
    March 17, 2022 at 10:29 am
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    Has anyone noticed all these

    Has anyone noticed all these stories spreading across the media calling for fuel duty to be reduced (after being frozen for the last decade) because some MP is claiming that parents will be “forced” to homeschool if they can’t afford to drive their children to school…

    (So many motorists complain that cyclists don’t use the cycle paths that their taxes paid for, and yet miss the point that everyone who rarely or never drives is subsidising the fuel used by all the people who do).

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    • notMyRealName
      March 17, 2022 at 10:42 am
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      The only way that

      The only way that homeschooling could be considered “cheaper” than driving is if you don’t measure the value of the parent or guardian’s time. I guess that makes sense, since statistically the home school supervisor is more likely to be a woman and we all know their time is worth less…

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      • wycombewheeler
        March 17, 2022 at 2:54 pm
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        notMyRealName wrote:

        The only way that homeschooling could be considered “cheaper” than driving is if you don’t measure the value of the parent or guardian’s time. I guess that makes sense, since statistically the home school supervisor is more likely to be a woman and we all know their time is worth less…

        — notMyRealName

        completely ignoring that walking the children to and from school would take less time than homeschooling them.

        Until we see fewer than 10% of children driven to school, then fuel is not too cheap.

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        • TriTaxMan
          March 17, 2022 at 3:49 pm
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          wycombewheeler wrote:

          completely ignoring that walking the children to and from school would take less time than homeschooling them.

          Until we see fewer than 10% of children driven to school, then fuel is not too cheap.

          — wycombewheeler

          This is the epitome of a first world problem.

          https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/motoring/driver-forced-ditch-porsche-fuel-6775834

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        • Kapelmuur
          March 17, 2022 at 4:22 pm
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          My neighbour uses her 4 x 4

          My neighbour uses her 4 x 4 to take and collect her child from a school that is less than half a mile away.

          I have never seen any of the family walking anywhere other than down their drive and into the car.

          I see little hope of persuading such people to walk or cycle.

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    • Steve K
      March 17, 2022 at 10:57 am
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      brooksby wrote:

      Has anyone noticed all these stories spreading across the media calling for fuel duty to be reduced (after being frozen for the last decade) because some MP is claiming that parents will be “forced” to homeschool if they can’t afford to drive their children to school…

      (So many motorists complain that cyclists don’t use the cycle paths that their taxes paid for, and yet miss the point that everyone who rarely or never drives is subsidising the fuel used by all the people who do).

      — brooksby

      It’s not just ‘some MP’ – it’s Robert Halfon.

      Halfon has two relevant roles here.  First, he is chair of the Education Select Committee.

      And second – he is chair of the All Party Parliamentary for Fair Fuel for UK Motorists and UK Hauliers.  And yes, if that sounds like a familiar name – it is indeed linked to our dear friend Howard Cox.  He is listed as the contact for public enquiries.  https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmallparty/211006/fair-fuel-for-uk-motorists-and-uk-hauliers.htm

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      • brooksby
        March 17, 2022 at 11:03 am
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        Steve K]

        … he is chair of the All Party Parliamentary for Fair Fuel for UK Motorists and UK Hauliers. 

        — Steve K

        Is he really?  Well, gosh, I can’t see him having any particular axe to grind there, then… 

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        • Steve K
          March 17, 2022 at 11:09 am
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          He’s also got a thing about

          He’s also got a thing about bouncy castles.

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          • JustTryingToGetFromAtoB
            March 17, 2022 at 12:27 pm
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            Steve K wrote:

            He’s also got a thing about bouncy castles.

            — Steve K

            He should absolutely not have is thing about bouncy castles, he should bloody well keep it to himself.

          • Steve K
            March 17, 2022 at 12:31 pm
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            To be fair, it’s a serious

            To be fair, it’s a serious safety concern following tragedies where children have been killed when inflatables have come unmoored in high winds.

          • JustTryingToGetFromAtoB
            March 17, 2022 at 12:50 pm
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            Steve K wrote:

            To be fair, it’s a serious safety concern following tragedies where children have been killed when inflatables have come unmoored in high winds.

            — Steve K

            That’s fair
            Note to self, stop trying to be funny

          • Steve K
            March 17, 2022 at 1:07 pm
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            Oh, no – entirely my fault. 

            Oh, no – entirely my fault.  I was trying to be funny by bringing up bouncy castles at all.

             

    • AlsoSomniloquism
      March 17, 2022 at 1:39 pm
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      Not seen that. However I’ve

      Not seen that. However I’ve seen plenty of headlines in the Right wing press and by right wing commentators that the Russian sanctions have shown Net-Zero policies aren’t ready yet and should be removed…….

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      • brooksby
        March 17, 2022 at 3:44 pm
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        Which is weird, when I’d read

        Which is weird, when I’d read an article saying that if the Govt had pushed ahead with ‘green’ policies ten years ago when they first mooted it then we wouldn’t be so dependent upon fossil fuels now and we could tell Russia to go shove it’s oil…

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        • AlsoSomniloquism
          March 17, 2022 at 6:47 pm
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          This is the link about it.

          This is the link about it.

          https://twitter.com/johnharris1969/status/1503327182382325765

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  3. JonSP
    March 17, 2022 at 12:33 pm
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    RE: Kelly on the Poggio, what

    RE: Kelly on the Poggio, what really strikes me watching it now is how many motorbikes there are and how close to the riders – definitely some aero advantage there, but a lot of risk too.

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  4. Steve K
    March 17, 2022 at 12:34 pm
    0

    Of absolutely no great

    Of absolutely no great relevance or import, but I work with the Edge’s cousin.

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    • the little onion
      March 17, 2022 at 2:27 pm
      0

      Are they a family that gets

      Are they a family that gets on well? Is your colleague particularly close to the Edge?

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      • Steve K
        March 17, 2022 at 2:54 pm
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        Excellent work 

        Excellent work laugh

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    • mdavidford
      March 17, 2022 at 3:56 pm
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      Steve K wrote:

      Of absolutely no great relevance or import, but I work with the Edge’s cousin.

      — Steve K

      The Vertex?

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    • mark1a
      March 17, 2022 at 3:57 pm
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      I guess Chrome can be called

      I guess Chrome can be called a cousin of Edge now that Microsoft have based it on the Chromium codebase. 

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  5. wexeee
    March 17, 2022 at 2:15 pm
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    One for the blog? https:/

    One for the blog? https://twitter.com/TVP_Oxford/status/1504434009065066498

    about a guy who has done it before 
    https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/15075899.160-bikes-seized-one-mans-home/

    and advertises thousands of bikes for sale on gumtree
    https://www.gumtree.com/p/bicycles/used-bikes-for-sale-as-singles-or-job-lot-oxford-oxfordshire-uk/1422466268

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  6. Shelders
    March 17, 2022 at 2:18 pm
    0

    Alaphillipe comes home 2nd

    Alaphillipe comes home 2nd then…

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  7. OldRidgeback
    March 17, 2022 at 2:29 pm
    0

    I like the idea of that Kent

    I like the idea of that Kent route. It sounds good. The bit from Whitstable to Canterbury is nice and easy as much of it is along an old railway line.

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    • tigersnapper
      March 17, 2022 at 3:41 pm
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      Yes.  I live in Rochester and

      Yes.  I live in Rochester and am looking forward to trying this out.  My wife is also wanting to give it a go and she normally won’t ride anywhere she has to be o the road.

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      • OldRidgeback
        March 17, 2022 at 3:46 pm
        0

        Have you tried the Whitstable

        Have you tried the Whitstable-Canterbury stretch with her? I did that a while bike on rental bikes with my sons.

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    • Rendel Harris
      March 17, 2022 at 4:03 pm
      0

      Is that stretch road-bikeable

      Is that stretch road-bikeable or does it need a gravel/hybrid/MTB?

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  8. Rendel Harris
    March 17, 2022 at 3:09 pm
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    Just want to draw attention

    Just want to draw attention to a spectacular bit of in-court victim blaming: the driver went straight through a give way at a roundabout and hit a cyclist, leaving the 30-year-old victim with a fractured skull, a bleed on the brain and life-changing injuries for which he requires daily care. The defendant pleaded guilty to causing serious injury by dangerous driving. So far, so everyday ghastly.

    Mitigating, the defence lawyer said: “the victim had no lights on his electric bike, no high visibility clothing and was dressed in black. Mr Nuttall said: “He should have been seen but he wasn’t clearly able to be seen.”

    The incident occured at 6.15AM on June 1st last year. Looking up the weather, it was a fine clear day and the sun rose at 4.45AM.

    The defendant was given a suspended sentence because it would be tough on his wife if he went to prison.

    https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/driver-leaves-cyclist-life-changing-6791490

     

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    • bloodylazylayabout
      March 17, 2022 at 3:20 pm
      0

      Yes – nothing to do with the

      Yes – nothing to do with the fact that there was a stationary vehicle on the right blocking the view but he just ploughed on regardless – it was the lack of lights & hi-viz that did it

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    • AlsoSomniloquism
      March 17, 2022 at 3:22 pm
      0

      Can you still drive a fork

      Can you still drive a fork lift truck if a driving license has been suspended? I’m assuming yes if it isn’t “road facing”. 

      Yes definitely shittery from the Defence there, as their normally is. The one car was stopped waiting for the bike, the other car decided they were just stopped for no reason and carried on. I wonder why the defence solicitor didn’t blame the business for expecting the criminal to start work at 630am when it is quite obvious he was too lazy to leave the house in plenty of time. 

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      • bloodylazylayabout
        March 17, 2022 at 3:38 pm
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        AlsoSomniloquism wrote:

        Can you still drive a fork lift truck if a driving license has been suspended? I’m assuming yes if it isn’t “road facing”. 

        Yes definitely shittery from the Defence there, as their normally is. The one car was stopped waiting for the bike, the other car decided they were just stopped for no reason and carried on. I wonder why the defence solicitor didn’t blame the business for expecting the criminal to start work at 630am when it is quite obvious he was too lazy to leave the house in plenty of time. 

        — AlsoSomniloquism

        If it happened from the direction I imagine it must have it’s likely he was leaving work after a night shift – there is only industrial units from where he was exiting

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    • brooksby
      March 17, 2022 at 3:39 pm
      0

      The motorist was banned from

      The motorist was banned from driving for two years and three months and until he passes an extended test, which is something, I guess…

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    • TriTaxMan
      March 17, 2022 at 3:39 pm
      0

      Yep basically anything to try

      Yep basically anything to try and get a lesser sentence for the driver.

      No matter if you are wearing hi viz/reflectives and have lights on that would put the sun to shame….. if a driver isn’t looking for a cyclist they won’t see them.

      The whole thing smacks of the driver thinking…. it’s 6.15am there won’t be anyone else about at this time of the morning I can carry a bit more speed through the roundabout.

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Rendel Harris 3 hours ago

And how are those attracted/paid for? Through bigger audiences. There are 53 million black people in the USA, and around 1.2 billion in Africa. How much extra sponsorship and TV coverage do you think women's racing might get if there were a few black US and African women competing? That's not, in your idiotic phrase, "wokeism", it's good sound commercial common sense.

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perce 4 hours ago

@chrisonabike I don't know how they would get confused - one's called Jack and one's called Nigel.

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Mr Blackbird 4 hours ago

There is so much depressing deja vu here. The defence factors taken from the usual tick box list : "poor lighting", "dark clothes", "didn't see him" etc. The usual rehabilitation path comments : "full of remorse". The common previous : "drugs, and alcohol", "no licence" etc. Even your comments about the tipper truck industry ring a bell. Look up the 1957 British film "Hell Drivers", if you haven't seen it. It must have have been inspired by events of the time. I did wonder why Renshaw had been on remand. Was he a flight risk?

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Midgex 4 hours ago

The cycle path at that point is (part of) the main road, not the side road.

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mctrials23 4 hours ago

Its not fucking careless if you drive a vehicle and don't check your mirrors. Its fucking dangerous and its fucking deadly. How on earth are we still dealing with this bollocks. Everything about this is maddening. The fact he tried to weasel out of it and blame the cyclist. The fact hes avoided prison. The fact he was still driving after such a long history of dangerous driving. The fact he is still only banned for 12 months despite killing someone due to his inability to drive safely.

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the little onion 4 hours ago

The tipper truck industry is an absolute Wild West. Scandal ridden, partly because of the complete lack of regulatory oversight and the pay-by-the-load system which incentives dodgy driving. I hope there is an investigation into the firm’s recruitment process and a corporate manslaughter charge. We urgently need a HSE investigation into the whole industry

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chrisonabike 5 hours ago

Perhaps they're confusing the writer with a certain - ahem - new poster?

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ktache 5 hours ago

My deepest condolences to the family and friends of Zinovly Savyulak.

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mdavidford 5 hours ago

Sounds like a recommendation to me - after all, who'd want their writing to be emotionally empty?

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mdavidford 5 hours ago

I think MM's point is more fatally flawed than that - people *do* complain about inequality in running. There might be less inequality than in cycling, but there's still an over-representation of white people and barriers to participation.

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