“No one has right of way on a roundabout”: Response to Jeremy Vine near miss baffles cyclists; BTS star’s new Colnago; Covid-free Tour de France rest day; Bike shed victim blaming; Pep’s pursuit; Dealing with cycle lane-parkers + more on the live blog
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“No one has right of way on a roundabout”: Response to Jeremy Vine near miss video baffles cyclists
By now, pedalling broadcaster Jeremy Vine is well used to receiving… let’s call it constructive feedback from motorists on Twitter, angry at the Radio 2 presenter’s latest video from his daily commute through London, which invariably highlights – in Vine’s eyes – some form of poor or dangerous driving.
Was he actually going to — ? pic.twitter.com/67tumOTnnQ
— Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) July 8, 2022
For example, Friday’s clip – which featured a bus driver almost pulling out in front of Vine as he made his way across a roundabout – led to more than a few complaints from drivers critical of the broadcaster’s position in the left lane (after riding in the cycle lane) as he entered the roundabout:
He isn’t allowed to kill me because he doesn’t approve of my choice of lane, mate.
— Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) July 9, 2022
I’m not in a car. I should have pointed that out.
I also note that you think that if someone’s road positioning is poor you can simply run them over.— Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) July 8, 2022
I was in the cycle lane.
— Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) July 8, 2022
According to the Rule 186 of the Highway Code, however, “cyclists, horse riders and horse drawn vehicles may stay in the left-hand lane when they intend to continue across or around the roundabout and should signal right to show you they are not leaving the roundabout.
“Drivers should take extra care when entering a roundabout to ensure that they do not cut across cyclists, horse riders or horse drawn vehicles in the left-hand lane, who are continuing around the roundabout.”
While most of the Twitter road safety commentators in Vine’s mentions tripped up on that specific aspect of the Highway Code, one bot – I mean person – managed to drop this absolute clanger, demonstrating a poor understanding of how roundabouts work and the new hierarchy of vulnerable road users in the Highway Code:
Sorry you were I the wrong.
So your one of those cyclists that think you have rights over cars…
Well no one has right of way on a roundabout.
So be careful.— Jeremy’s Nemesis (@truthagohurtdem) July 8, 2022
Needless to say, this morning’s replies were fun (including a bonus mention of Friday’s article about the serial driving test passer):
— Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) July 11, 2022
“no one has right of way on a roundabout” 🤦🏻♀️
You need extra training. In fact, you shouldn’t have a licence. How did you get it? Were you one of those who paid that woman to sit your test?— lindsey fs (@feckitdotcom) July 11, 2022
Really? No one? Thanks, that’s invaluable info, I must adjust my roundabout teaching accordingly, seems I’ve been doing it wrong for the past 33 years.
— Barrington (@Barrington65) July 11, 2022
You do know this is nonsense right? Please hand your licence in at the nearest Police station.
— Ian Jones (@Maverick_Jones) July 11, 2022
That’s why so many people die on the roads because people like you don’t know the Highway Code.
— Cyclegranny 🚴♀️ (@anneramsey740) July 11, 2022
Never been in an accident though.
— Jeremy’s Nemesis (@truthagohurtdem) July 11, 2022
Mondays…
No Tour and no Giro Donne to watch, guess I know my plans for today… 😔 pic.twitter.com/DUU5sgZQAQ
— Mathew Mitchell (@MatMitchell30) July 11, 2022
And breathe… UCI confirms that all overnight Tour de France Covid tests are negative
A collective sigh of relief could be heard across the Alps this morning, as the UCI confirmed that no Tour de France riders had tested positive for Covid-19 in overnight controls carried out on the entire peloton.
The UCI said in a statement: “In accordance with the ‘Rules for the organisation of road cycling competitions in the context of the coronavirus pandemic’, established by the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) and recently updated for the Grand Tours, all riders participating in the Tour de France were tested on the evening of 10 July.
“All tests were negative.
“However, the UCI reminds all participants that the rules introduced over the last two years in the interests of everyone’s health and safety continue to apply. These include the obligation to wear a mask, to maintain sufficient physical distance and to disinfect hands frequently.”
Tour de France rest day Covid tests be like pic.twitter.com/FZ1hjnyNYK
— Andy McGrath (@Andymcgra) July 11, 2022
Covid has loomed large over this year’s Tour de France, with three riders – Guillaume Martin (Cofidis), Geoffrey Bouchard (AG2R Citroën), and Vegard Stake Laengen (a teammate of Tadej Pogačar at UAE Team Emirates) – already being forced to leave the race after testing positive over the weekend.
A number of riders, such as Tim Declercq and Matteo Trentin, also had to withdraw from the Tour in the days leading up to the Grand Départ in Copenhagen.
So this morning’s news of no rest day positives – always a welcome sign at the Tour de France – will ease a few nerves among the riders, team staff and race organisation. For the time being anyway…
That bike shed should have been wearing hi-vis and a helmet
I don’t even want to know what happened to the bike storage shed. Doesn’t look like attempted robbery as some bikes are still in the shed pic.twitter.com/pB0Kn7Dcm3
— Merv Charles 💉💉💉 (@mervcharles) July 11, 2022
Ladies and gentlemen, I believe we’ve finally stumbled into the wonderful world of bike shed victim blaming…
An accident? They take up the same space on the road as a skip, but unlike a skip they are not required to have flashing amber lights. Camouflaged in dark green and disguised as a pig shed, I can see how a large commercial with a blind spot could flatten it.
— Captain Blighty🇬🇧 🏴⚓🐾 (@CBlighty) July 11, 2022
They’re not cars. Cars lights are reflective, they resemble skips. Especially that one😂
— Captain Blighty🇬🇧 🏴⚓🐾 (@CBlighty) July 11, 2022
Yup. That’s why it’s even harder to work out what level of car craziness could cause that calamity 🤯🤯
— Merv Charles 💉💉💉 (@mervcharles) July 11, 2022
The shed’s own fault because it wasn’t wearing high viz and a helmet?
— Jonathan T (@purestate) July 11, 2022
Other Twitter users, thankfully, weren’t so quick to blame that lycra-clad, Tour de France-wannabe bike storage facility (formerly positioned on London’s Harrow Road, near Kensal Green Station), and offered up some alternative theories concerning the nature of its untimely demise:
Maybe someone mistakenly addressed some post there:
https://t.co/Jc3HourYlS— Niklas (@nikcorg) July 11, 2022
Oh ghosts, seeing as it’s across the road from a cemetery 👻👻
— Merv Charles 💉💉💉 (@mervcharles) July 11, 2022
Complete speculation, but I suspect alcohol, drugs in an uninsured vehicle, with no VED, with a driver without a licence. The vehicle was probably registered otherwise it would have been abandoned. Alternatively, micro-tornado due to climate change.
— JeremyBennett (@JeremyBennett) July 11, 2022
Complete speculation, but I suspect alcohol, drugs in an uninsured vehicle, with no VED, with a driver without a licence. The vehicle was probably registered otherwise it would have been abandoned. Alternatively, micro-tornado due to climate change.
— JeremyBennett (@JeremyBennett) July 11, 2022
I think it likely that either a “hard-pressed motorist” or a “law-abiding driver” may have, somehow, been involved.
But it could have been urban foxes. https://t.co/0Fooaah923
— Greg Collins 💚 🏳️🌈 (@ibikeheathfield) July 11, 2022
“Cyclists, cycle over the roof”: How to deal with motorists parking in bike lanes, Paris-style
“User instructions” – the lipstick says “Cyclists cycle over the roof” https://t.co/MNz9orIze2
— Petrichor (@Sinabhfuil) July 11, 2022
Rest day roundup: Welcome (back) to the Jungels, Pinot Noir, and AVV… again
Main image: Zac Williams/SWpix.com
No bike racing today? What’s going on?
While we all experience withdrawal symptoms from the sudden dearth of live cycling on the TV, the riders of the Tour de France and Giro d’Italia Donne are enjoying a well-earned rest after a week and a half of gruelling racing (and travelling).
Over the weekend, the 2022 Tour continued its penchant for inspiring back stories and tales of redemption, all set to the most stunning backdrop of the race so far in the Swiss Alps.
Zac Williams/SWpix.com
After Wout van Aert Wouted everyone in Lausanne on Saturday (the ruthless, calculating flip side to his romantic, panache-filled but ultimately doomed breakaway to Longwy 48 hours before), adding un uphill puncheurs’ finish to his varied list of Tour stage wins, yesterday Bob Jungels and Thibaut Pinot went head-to-head during a thrilling mountain pursuit match.
Both Jungels and Pinot have suffered setback after setback in recent years. AG2R Citroën rider Jungels, a monument winner at Liège–Bastogne–Liège in 2018, has failed to kick on at the French team after a series of injuries in 2020 were followed by surgery for iliac artery endofibrosis.
Pinot, meanwhile, has also endured a torrid few years after tearfully abandoning the 2019 Tour de France with a torn quadricep while seemingly on the cusp of a first French Tour win since 1985.
A recurring back injury has prevented the Groupama-FDJ rider from regaining the form that saw him win atop the Tourmalet three years ago, though stage wins at the Tour of the Alps and Tour de Suisse this year have given the home fans some hope of at least a stage win. Even at this Tour, however, he’s suffered yet more hardship – minutes after crashing on Saturday’s stage to Lausanne, he collided headfirst with the outstretched arm of a Trek-Segafredo soigneur, attempting to hand out food to one of the team’s riders.
Pinot’s reaction to the bizarre incident, collapsing melancholically into the shoulders of an EF-EasyPost press officer standing on the roadside, seemed to sum up his last few years, and indeed his relationship with his country’s biggest sporting event. Surely something would go right, at least once for the luckless darling of French cycling?
A.S.O.,Charly Lopez
So, as Pinot gained time quickly on sole leader Jungels following a blistering attack on the Pas de Morgins, all of France – and most of the cycling world, let’s face it – held its breath.
However, like many of the chapters already written in Thibaut Pinot’s mercurial career since he burst onto the Tour scene ten years ago, this one would end in tears. Jungels, in full time trial mode, was too strong, his own emotional redemptive arc complete, after a stunning 65km solo ride in the mountains.
A.S.O., Charly Lopez
Pinot, meanwhile, faded, and was even caught by Spanish duo Jonathan Castroviejo and Carlos Verona before the line (off-screen, Tadej Pogačar was being Tadej Pogačar, burning all of his rivals off his wheel – with the exception of Jonas Vingegaard – with a ferocious sprint towards the line. Is this the shape of the next two weeks to come?).
But all eyes were on Jungels and Pinot – two clear personifications of what the Tour can give, and what it can take away.
Winning and celebrating together is the best. The most beautiful part of targeting a stagerace for me is that you need a perfect team around you to achieve your goals, staff & riders gracias!!💓 https://t.co/iH3ipErO0u
— Annemiek van Vleuten (@AvVleuten) July 10, 2022
Annemiek van Vleuten, meanwhile, didn’t need any romantic storylines on the way to her third overall Giro d’Italia Donne victory.
The dominant Dutchwoman remained calm as closest rival Marta Cavalli distanced her not once, but twice on Saturday’s queen stage to San Lorenzo Dorsino, and in the end only lost 16 seconds to the FDJ rider. Up ahead, Kristen Faulkner held on for her second win of the race – and with it, the mountains jersey – after a long-distance breakaway over three major climbs.
On Sunday’s final flat stage into Padova, Chiara Consonni sprinted to her first ever victory at her home grand tour, as Van Vleuten cruised home in pink to add to her previous Giro wins in 2018 and 2019, underlining her status as the red-hot favourite for the Tour de France Femmes later this month.
Annemiek van Vleuten vuole immortalare ogni momento del suo 3° trionfo al Giro Donne! 😁💗🏆💐#EurosportCICLISMO | #GiroDonne22 | #GiroDonne | #vanVleuten | @giro_donne pic.twitter.com/gdsxkiNADn
— Eurosport IT (@Eurosport_IT) July 10, 2022
“It’s nice being back,” Van Vleuten said at the finish.
“After 2020 when I was in the maglia rosa I left the Giro with a broken wrist, so it’s nice to finish it off again in the pink.
“Pink is not my favourite colour, but in the Giro it is. If I’m riding here in it, so many Italian people are saying ‘maglia rosa, maglia rosa’, so it’s really special to wear pink in Italy. It’s a big honour for me to take it home again.”
There’s something not quite right here, but I can’t put my finger on it…
nothing in the slightest bit suspicious about this pic.twitter.com/dOCh4vHLxD
— Carl Myhill (@carlmyhill) July 10, 2022
Ah, those Schwalbe bikes with no gears, I’m a big fan…
Now that’s how you title a Strava ride
Delightful…
Eat my cycling shorts
Along with winning two stages of the Tour de France, stamping his authority on the race as he aims for a third consecutive title, and announcing the creation of a cancer research foundation in honour of his late mother-in-law, Tadej Pogačar has found room in his busy schedule to join America’s most famous family in time for the Tour’s first (proper) rest day:
Heading into the rest day in yellow 😜💛🙌🏼 pic.twitter.com/nytJYNHcmo
— Tadej Pogačar (@TamauPogi) July 10, 2022
Good to see that the tuft’s well represented…
Fun fact to make you all feel old: The Simpsons’ so-called “golden age”, as defined by many a TV critic, lasted up to its tenth series (though some argue it ended even earlier, but that’s a debate for another time).
The show’s tenth series first broadcast in August 1998 – one month before two-time Tour winner Pogačar was born…
Ben O’Connor out of Tour after week-long battle with injury
It’s been a rough nine days at the Tour de France for AG2R Citroën’s Australian GC hope Ben O’Connor.
O’Connor, who finished fourth at last year’s Tour after a stunning solo victory at Tignes, will not start tomorrow after failing to fully recover from injuries sustained in a crash during stage two in Denmark.
According to his team, the 26-year-old suffered a muscular lesion of the right gluteus medius, which was exacerbated during stage five’s cobble-laden trip to Arenberg and further crash on Saturday.
“Since his crash, Ben has suffered,” says the team’s doctor Serge Niamke. “The vibrations during the cobblestone stage did not facilitate his recovery and his second crash on Saturday during the eighth stage further aggravated the pain.”
Vincent Lavenu, AG2R Citroën’s general manager, added: “Given Ben’s physical condition, it was obvious that he should not start the next stage in order to preserve his physical integrity. We felt that he has been chasing the last few days for the team, driven by the desire not to disappoint us.
“The fact that we felt that he should stop and rebuild himself physically and mentally, relieved him. He will be able to approach the second part of the season calmly with the Vuelta a España as his objective.”
O’Connor, who had been hoping to build upon his breakthrough performance at the 2021 Tour, said in a statement: “I have been fighting this glute injury for a couple of days, but it got even worse yesterday. So… I think it was the stage to Lausanne. I pulled my glute muscle, so I am more or less riding with one leg. These very chronic sharp pains that I get make it pretty impossible for me to continue the race.
“I’m obviously upset. It’s the Tour de France, it’s the biggest race of the year. It’s the race that we all aim for, it’s the one that we prepare all year, and we clearly came here with big objectives.
“Our heads turn pretty quickly to La Vuelta. I mean it was always on my calendar and I hope there I can fulfil the role that I dreamt of here at the Tour de France, but actually this time in La Vuelta.”
While the French squad had been originally aiming for GC success, their switch to stage hunting paid immediate dividends on Sunday, as Bob Jungels took an impressive solo win in the Swiss Alps.
“On Sunday, I was so happy for Bob,” says O’Connor. “It was complicated for me. But to see him win after so many problems going on for him, it was absolutely beautiful. It really put a massive smile on my face. When I was back in the grupetto with Oli [Naesen], we were just shocked and happy.
“I hope I have taken all the bad luck with me, and they can fight and bring some more success because we have such a good crew here.”
Pep’s pursuit: Guardiola chased on bike by overzealous fan
Pep was deffo scared💀 pic.twitter.com/spp9L8d7HY
— 🌫🪙 (@MrK_MCFC) July 10, 2022
Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola may have been wishing he’d taken better advantage of the proximity of his club’s stadium with the Manchester velodrome, as he found himself in a bizarre pursuit match over the weekend.
The 51-year-old former Barcelona star was cycling through Manchester’s Parsonage Gardens at night, when an overzealous fan on a bike chased him down an alley in an attempt to get a photo with the Premier League-winning boss.
While a disgruntled-looking Pep managed to maintain his composure (just about) in the video, presumably uploaded to TikTok by the chaser, here at road.cc we’ve been trying to decipher what bike the City manager was riding on his urban commute.
While the sleek all-black look makes it tricky to work out immediately, we reckon it’s a Pinarello – the footballer’s brand of choice, and one that Pep’s been fond of in the past.
Guardiola – who had breakfast with Tadej Pogačar at the club’s Carrington training ground last November – isn’t the first City manager to be spotted with a Pinarello.
Former boss Roberto Mancini, who guided the club to its first league title in 44 years in 2012, is a keen cyclist who counts Felice Gimondi, Francesco Moser and Marco Pantani among his heroes.
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On a visit to the Manchester velodrome in 2012 Mancini, who rode a custom blue Prestigio to training three or four times a week, said that his players could learn a lot from Team GB’s cyclists. A few years ago the current Italy manager spoke at an event hosted by the Michele Scarponi Foundation, where he claimed that it’s safer to cycle around areas of Manchester than in Italy.
Not sure Mancini would have said that if he’d been chased down an alleyway on his bike…
BTS band leader poses with £14,500 Colnago and Tod’s T Bike
I realise that the average age of our readers may be a touch high for the following few paragraphs but, hey, there’s a Colnago involved, so it’ll be fine…
Last month we featured on Bike at Bedtime a new collaboration between the venerable bike manufacturer and fellow Italian brand Tod’s (maker of luxury shoes and other leather goods) – the T Bike.
The T Bike is built around a Colnago G3-X gravel frameset and is designed for urban riding. Oh, and it’s available in a limited edition of 70. And it can be bought using Bitcoin cryptocurrency. And it will set you back £14,500.
> Check out the exclusive Colnago and Tod’s T Bike… yours for £14,500
So perfect for bright young hipsters with more money then sense then (or just really, really big Colnago fans).
South Korean rapper RM (real name Kim Nam-joon, though RM stands for the super cool sobriquet Rap Monster) seems to be one of the lucky 70 to have snapped up the T Bike, posing with it for one of his Instagram stories today.
The 27-year-old is the leader of the world-famous K-pop boy group BTS (ask your children, or grandchildren).
Don’t worry, I’ve only vaguely heard of them – though I’ve been reliably informed that road.cc’s Jack and Dan are massive fans – but they’re certainly successful enough for their rapper to indulge Colnago’s recent fondness for all things crypto.
I suppose there are worse things pop stars could spend their money on…
“Another example of piss poor cycling infrastructure”: Readers react to Jeremy Vine roundabout near miss
Jeremy Vine’s almost-encounter with a bus driver during his London commute – and one Twitter user’s controversial take on roundabouts – prompted quite a bit of discussion in the comments today.
Owd Bid ‘Ead described the roundabout featured in Vine’s clip as “Another example of piss poor cycling infrastructure. Stay left and get hooked by left turning motorists, or go into the “car” lane and get rear ended while being shouted at for not being in the cycle lane!
“Whoever signed that off as roadworthy at the council should hang their head in shame. At some stage that will become a cyclist killer, it’s that poor.”
Patrick9-32 agreed, writing: “The Vine clip highlights once again how bad our cycling infrastructure is. If you stay in the 2-foot-wide painted death stripe you get T boned by a bus, if you ride in the main carriageway you get rear ended by an impatient driver behind. There is no way to win on that stretch of road.”
“To me it highlights how many drivers simply don’t look out for cyclists (or motorcyclists),” said OldRidgeback.
Some of you – unsurprisingly – got sucked into a rabbit hole of technicalities.
AlsoSomniloquism wrote: “Although TruthA is kind of correct. If you look at the HC for approaching a roundabout compared to exiting a side road, it is only a should give priority to vehicles approaching from the right, not a MUST. I’m not stating the police wouldn’t charge someone for driving offences in an accident.”
HoarseMann replied: “The absence of ‘right of way’ stretches further than roundabouts. This sentence in the general rules section often gets overlooked: ‘The rules in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstance, but they advise you when you should give way to others. Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident.’”
According to Quiff, the Twitter user was “also kind of correct in the sense that ‘right of way’ is the wrong term. Right of way is about the legal right to use certain land (including public roads). What everyone is talking about here is who has “priority” at a roundabout. I appreciate this is a bit of a ‘wing mirrors’ argument.”
Rendel Harris wrote: “It’s arguable but I’d say the applicable rule would be 172:
‘You MUST give way to traffic on the main road when emerging from a junction with broken white lines across the road.’
“I would’ve thought the roundabout counts as the main road in this case, and in any case the bus driver did unquestionably ignore the broken white line give way markings.”
“I live in an area with a lot of directional lane two lane roundabouts,” says Moist von Lipwig. “If you pull out solely because someone is in the left turn lane (irrespective of their mode of transport), you’re just asking for trouble. If they’re not indicating and/or have a speed to match the turn they’re making, it’s not an assumption to make.”
HoarseMann wrote: “It’s not Milton Keynes is it?! Got to have your wits about you. It’s rare someone uses the correct lane for their exit.”
Steve K then told us that he “recently had a car driver toot their horn at me on a roundabout and then close pass me shouting ‘give way to the right on roundabouts’ after he had failed to do exactly that.”
eburtthebike, however, offered up a perfectly reasonable excuse for the driver’s behaviour:
You obviously confused your right, as in right-hand side, with his right, as in his right to run you over for being on a bicycle.
Or maybe he said, “give way to the might” and you misheard. The might is always right.
And finally, before I head for my rest day massage and evening meal with the team, road.cc reader KDee helpfully found the other bikes that were stored in that pesky “camouflaged” bike shed:
“Bloody bicycles throwing themselves under cars and causing accidents,” wrote chrisonatrike.
Indeed…
11 July 2022, 08:48
11 July 2022, 08:48
Says the man who barely put a dent into Contador on the Tourmalet in 2010… I’m not bitter or anything…
"F**king move your arse and risk it": Andy Schleck gives Tour de France peloton advice on how to beat Tadej Pogačar
As simple as that (apparently)...
11 July 2022, 08:48
11 July 2022, 08:48
Personally I prefer Jacques Anquetil’s rest day tradition of a steak and a nice bottle of red…
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@Paul J they could even allow recumbents back in again! Everyone on eg M5 carbon high-racers - that could be interesting.
@mdavidford where are they now? (Apart from being trolled at Crystal Palace).
@bensynnock Whilst I see your point, in Scotland there were "only" 7 cyclist deaths in 2025, and 3 in 2024*. Whilst the statistics don't include a break down by club ride or not, based on media reporting, it would appear that the majority of fatal incidents are commuters or solo cyclists. Therefore, posting about group rides less than a week after a cyclist in a group ride was killed is particularly bad timing. There are likely to be periods of months at a time without any cyclist fatalities on Scottish roads (group or otherwise), so they could have just waited a few weeks and it would have been a bit less inappropriate. There's also the "why now?" element - if they were posting in spring/early summer, then they could argue it was prompted by more people getting out on their bikes and unrelated to current events. But as we approach autumn, it's hard to avoid jumping to the conclusion that it was prompted by the Port Glasgow incident. * of course, that is still far too many - zero is the only acceptable number.
I think it was more the humans that didn't work out well, rather than the horses.
I mean, there must have been *some* evolutionary benefit to them.
@AidanR He was on a road bike but wearing cycling glasses – here's a picture of the two of them on the Grand Prix section of the course.
@mdavidford The random horse route didn't work out well for Modern Pentathlon, there were some disastrous rider/horse pairings. They don't use horses at all now, the riding has been replaced by racing an obstacle course. By the human, that is.
Exactly what is the feature of folding e-bikes that makes them safer than normal e-bikes?
@Jetmans Dad There is merit in what you say in terms of bicycles but I don't think anyone would claim that the development of those bloody stupid helmets benefits anyone except TT riders; ordinary road helmets have pretty much evolved as far as they can go in terms of shape. I don't think that a proscription on any helmets that protrude more than 60 mm from the rider's head in any direction would do any harm and it would stop the sport looking quite so ridiculous. Kasper Asgreen in his silver POC monstrosity looked like nothing so much as someone who was wearing a novelty dolphin costume for a laugh.
@Jetmans Dad The question of whether there was intent is an extremely moot one: the video demonstrates that visibility was close to perfect, there was no oncoming traffic and Dick glanced to his left shortly before hitting the cyclist. There is no conceivable reason for him not to have seen her, nor is there any reason why he could not have given her a very wide berth. Impossible to prove in court, I realise, but I would not be in the least surprised if he did have intent to pass her close to give her a little fright and misjudged the distance. Anyone who doubts that (I don't include you, SVXY, as I doubt you actually ride a bicycle), think about the number of times you've been out riding in the same situation and have received unnecessarily close passes that could only be deliberate.
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Good spot from the driver.
Although it didn’t take up as
Although it didn’t take up as much in the comments as the last bad cycling video from a few weeks ago.
I’m hoping he used to his
I’m hoping he used to his foot to stop himself falling on the bonnet rather than as a petulant response !
Those dashcam compilations
Those dashcam compilations are appalling
Reminded me, though – riding on a cycle path alongside the road on my way in this morning, heard a car horn being sounded, looked over just in time to see an SUV being driven back over the centre line into their lane as a car in the approaching lane was accelerating… My interpretation was that the driver of the SUV had just “drifted” across to their right until somebody sounded their horn to alert them. I’m sure they definitely weren’t distracted by checking their phone, nosirree…
Could have been falling
Could have been falling asleep, very comfy places to be…
The Vine clip highlights once
The Vine clip highlights once again how bad our cycling infrastructure is. If you stay in the 2 foot wide painted death stripe you get T boned by a bus, if you ride in the main carriageway you get rear ended by an impatient driver behind. There is no way to win on that stretch of road.
To me it highlights how many
To me it highlights how many drivers simply don’t look out for cyclists (or motorcyclists).
Also could get left-hooked if
Also could get left-hooked if turning right from the left lane, I’d take my chances riding central in the main carriageway.
Another example of cycling infrastructure which makes the road more dangerous for a cyclist. There are so many things a driver needs to know/do to keep a cyclist safe here, that’s not apparent from the road markings:
HoarseMann wrote:
Painted cycle “infrastructure” is as much use as a squirrel contraceptive
Try paint with added bollards
Try paint with added bollards and a lane that steers you left, for a real fun cycling experience
https://maps.app.goo.gl/V79bTZ4HtLEFcqYD6
stonojnr wrote:
That’s the most poorly thought out bit of “infrastructure” that I’ve seen recently. They should force the designer(s) to use it on a bike and see how long it takes for them to realise that they should get a different job or at least ask an adult for help.
That is almost standard for
That is almost standard for the UK I’d say – indeed it’s an upgrade in that there’s actually some protection.
In enlightened Edinburgh however the protection tends to give up just before an ASL. So that allows you to lock the rear wheel, skid through more than 90 degrees then apply power to drift you across to the right in the ASL.
Alternatively (eg. Silverknowes roundabout) it might just funnel you into a raised kerb. Note the yellow plastic ramp which has now gone. Yes – this is bi-directional (albeit for about 50 metres). Presumably the painted bikes are supposed to be life-sized:
Ipswich does have some weird
Ipswich does have some weird cycling infrastructure.
We could do with a central body that looks at local “ideas”, thought to be well-meaning, but, you know, inexperienced, not wanting to interfere too much with drivists, and says Nah. This is how it should be done, make these changes and it could really make a difference, be used, not be a complete waste of resources.
Maybe Chris could do something when he gets back from his sabbatical…
If only there were some way
If only there were some way of centralising designs of safety-critical stuff, like, say, railways or roads. Maybe there could be a central body which collected, examined and disseminated the best designs, with layouts to cover a broader range of situations and some notes about when and how it was appropriate to vary things? Maybe it could even be made into “standards” – and be manatory across the country rather than “guidance”?
No, this sort of thing (https://www.crow.nl/english-summary) can’t happen here! In the UK we sensibly trust people to do what’s most appropriate for them locally. That’s why we all have to get off trains at e.g. Berwick-upon-tweed and change to trains in the appropriate gauge for England / Scotland. Also why we need to change drivers in the West Midlands because naturally that region operates its own, locally appropriate systems of signals and procedures.
Is that a form of squirrel
Is that a form of squirrel contraceptive…?
It definitely keeps the
It definitely keeps the numbers down if they use it to ride through that roundabout.
I don’t get the squirrel
I don’t get the squirrel contraceptive reference? I heard it’s a new strategy to eliminate grey squirrels in the UK.
bikes wrote:
That’s right. I saw it here and thought I’d just shoe-horn the reference in.
hawkinspeter wrote:
That’s right. I saw it here and thought I’d just shoe-horn the reference in.— bikes
I found it here – https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/11/oral-contraceptives-could-help-reduce-grey-squirrel-numbers-research-finds
I saw “oral contraceptive” in the headline and wondered how they were going to get the squirrels to remember what day it was, and whether they would give them little numbered cases to carry…
brooksby wrote:
Probably easier than teaching them how to put on a condom
hawkinspeter wrote:
If I was a squirrel, I would be very disinclined to use something that advertised “easy one-stick hot installation”…
brooksby wrote:
I have a sneaking suspicion that the ad wasn’t designed to get squirrels as customers
hawkinspeter wrote:
Something something unproductive nut
ChrisB200SX wrote:
It’s not clear, but I think the oral contraceptive is for females, so it’s more like a nut left in the wrong place
I recently had a car driver
I recently had a car driver toot their horn at me on a roundabout and then close pass me shouting “give way to the right on roundabouts” after he had failed to do exactly that.
Steve K wrote:
You obviously confused your right, as in right hand side, with his right, as in his right to run you over for being on a bicycle.
Or maybe he said “give way to the might” and you mis-heard. The might is always right.
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I found the other bikes that
I found the other bikes that were in the shed…
Bloody bicycles throwing
Bloody bicycles throwing themselves under cars and causing accidents.
chrisonatrike wrote:
its their own fault. They weren’t wearing hi vis
Although TruthA is kind of
Although TruthA is kind of correct. If you look at the HC for approaching a roundabout compared to exiting a side road, it is only a should give priority to vehicles approaching from the right, not a MUST. I’m not stating the Police wouldn’t charge someone for driving offences in an accident.
The absence of ‘right of way’
The absence of ‘right of way’ stretches further than roundabouts. This sentence in the general rules section often gets overlooked:
The rules in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstance, but they advise you when you should give way to others. Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident.
I live in an area with a lot
I live in an area with a lot of directional lane two lane roundabouts – if you pull out solely because someone is in the left turn lane (irrespective of their mode of transport), you’re just asking for trouble. If they’re not indicating and/or have a speed to match the turn they’re making, its not an assumption to make.
It’s not Milton Keynes is it?
It’s not Milton Keynes is it?! Got to have your wits about you. It’s rare someone uses the correct lane for their exit.
They’re also kind of correct
They’re also kind of correct in the sense that “right of way” is the wrong term. Right of way is about the legal right to use certain land (including public roads). What everyone is talking about here is who has “priority” at a roundabout. I appreciate this is a bit of a “wing mirrors” argument.
It’s arguable but I’d say the
It’s arguable but I’d say the applicable rule would be 172:
I would’ve thought the roundabout counts as the main road in this case, and in any case the bus driver did unquestionably ignore the broken white line give way markings.
Rule 172 references the Give
Rule 172 references the Give Way sign and dashed markings, which are a MUST, but the roundabout markings are only advisory.
It’s all a bit academic, as I’m sure if it got to court it would be considered as a similar contributing factor. The difference is possibly the bar for getting to court is set a bit higher for breaching a roundabout marking than would be for a give-way marking.
HoarseMann wrote:
I don’t know, so genuine question, but are you sure? It would seem a very odd thing to do to have give way markings on one type of junction meaning one thing and on another meaning another?
Aren’t give way lines two
Aren’t give way lines two lines of dashed lines, but the entrance markings on roundabouts are only one.
ktache wrote:
Yes, not sure on this one TBH, the RAC says “A ‘chunkier’, broken white line [as in the JV vid] indicates that you must give way to traffic from the right at mini roundabouts” but I can’t see anything in the HC about the difference between the various forms of give way markings.
Fine point.
Fine point.
It’s not in the Highway Code,
It’s not in the Highway Code, but in the underpinning legislation. One under the ‘regulatory‘ section, the other under the ‘advisory‘ section. In practise, ignoring either is probably going to lead to the same offence.
There is that “should” and
There is that “should” and “must” thing again.
Nice underlining.
IIRC lipstick is really
IIRC lipstick is really difficult to remove from a car. You have to T-Cut the paintwork after you’ve washed off the lipstick or else it leaves a ‘shadow’ on the paint.
Another example of piss poor
Another example of piss poor cycling infrastructure. Stay left and get hooked by left turning motorists, or go into the “car” Lane and get rear ended while being shouted at for not being in the cycle lane!
Who ever signed that off as roadworthy at the council should hang their head in shame. At some stage that will become a cyclist killer, it’s that poor.
https://www.theguardian.com
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/jul/04/people-making-a-difference-pushbike-paul-the-man-whos-restored-thousands-of-bikes-to-fund-a-hospice
Pushbike Paul, the man who’s restored thousands of bikes to fund a hospice
Lovely fella, is Paul.
Lovely fella, is Paul.
Used to live just down the road from me.
Does sterling work for the local community.
Love the blaming the bike
Love the blaming the bike shed for being disguised as a pig shed:
– Any bike sheds behind Fred?
– Nah mate, just a shed full of pigs.
– I’l just keep reversing over it then shall I?
– Right you are mate.
I see the giro are still
I see the giro are still risking their podium placers eyesite with their dangerous prosecco corks being left in place.
It would appear that safety eyewear had been provided but seemingly had been chosen to wear in an inapropriate manner.
ktache wrote:
Not always. One of the earlier stages:
https://twitter.com/eurosport/status/1542510006666350597
https://metro.co.uk/2022/07
And people say it takes years
And people say it takes years to build cycle infra!
Probably worth the time and expense to trap those dangerous cycles though. Looks like the idea is to feed them in from the right then keep them going round and round like sharks in a tank.
Perhaps the council intended
Perhaps the council intended it for kids to learn on?
It was gripping to watch
It was gripping to watch Pinot giving everything to try and overhaul Jungels. Such is the cruelty of cycle racing that in the end his efforts brought him nothing but the combativity consolation prize and there was a poignancy to his lonely walk back to the team bus.
Thanks for a great summary. Overall I’ve been very entertained by the first week of racing.
…the 26-year-old suffered a
…the 26-year-old suffered a muscular legion of the right gluteus medius.
“Lesion” maybe?
andystow wrote:
I believe it was a very common complaint among Roman soldiers.
Could be fatal. On grave
Could be fatal. On grave markers you can read it: “ars longa vita brevis”. I believe in the pronounciation the “s” is voiceless…
captain_slog wrote:
I wonder if Fabian Cancellara was a sufferer?
captain_slog wrote:
Wait until Biggus Dickus hears of this.
I have a good excuse for this
I have a good excuse for this – Word autocorrected it, and I didn’t notice. So don’t blame me, blame the computers…
Ryan Mallon wrote:
Now, what’s that phrase about some kind of workman blaming his tools? ?