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“No one has right of way on a roundabout”: Response to Jeremy Vine near miss baffles cyclists; BTS star’s new Colnago; Covid-free Tour de France rest day; Bike shed victim blaming; Pep's pursuit; Dealing with cycle lane-parkers + more on the live blog

It’s Monday, there’s no Tour stage, and the Giro Donne’s over… but at least Ryan Mallon is here with the first live blog of the week. That’s something, right?
11 July 2022, 16:59
“Another example of piss poor cycling infrastructure”: Readers react to Jeremy Vine roundabout near miss

Jeremy Vine’s almost-encounter with a bus driver during his London commute – and one Twitter user’s controversial take on roundabouts – prompted quite a bit of discussion in the comments today.

Owd Bid ‘Ead described the roundabout featured in Vine’s clip as “Another example of piss poor cycling infrastructure. Stay left and get hooked by left turning motorists, or go into the "car" lane and get rear ended while being shouted at for not being in the cycle lane!

“Whoever signed that off as roadworthy at the council should hang their head in shame. At some stage that will become a cyclist killer, it's that poor.”

Patrick9-32 agreed, writing: “The Vine clip highlights once again how bad our cycling infrastructure is. If you stay in the 2-foot-wide painted death stripe you get T boned by a bus, if you ride in the main carriageway you get rear ended by an impatient driver behind. There is no way to win on that stretch of road.”

“To me it highlights how many drivers simply don't look out for cyclists (or motorcyclists),” said OldRidgeback.

Some of you – unsurprisingly – got sucked into a rabbit hole of technicalities.

AlsoSomniloquism wrote: “Although TruthA is kind of correct. If you look at the HC for approaching a roundabout compared to exiting a side road, it is only a should give priority to vehicles approaching from the right, not a MUST. I'm not stating the police wouldn't charge someone for driving offences in an accident.”

HoarseMann replied: “The absence of 'right of way' stretches further than roundabouts. This sentence in the general rules section often gets overlooked: ‘The rules in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstance, but they advise you when you should give way to others. Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident.’”

According to Quiff, the Twitter user was “also kind of correct in the sense that ‘right of way’ is the wrong term. Right of way is about the legal right to use certain land (including public roads). What everyone is talking about here is who has "priority" at a roundabout. I appreciate this is a bit of a ‘wing mirrors’ argument.”

Rendel Harris wrote: “It's arguable but I'd say the applicable rule would be 172:

‘You MUST give way to traffic on the main road when emerging from a junction with broken white lines across the road.’

“I would've thought the roundabout counts as the main road in this case, and in any case the bus driver did unquestionably ignore the broken white line give way markings.”

“I live in an area with a lot of directional lane two lane roundabouts,” says Moist von Lipwig. “If you pull out solely because someone is in the left turn lane (irrespective of their mode of transport), you're just asking for trouble.  If they're not indicating and/or have a speed to match the turn they're making, it’s not an assumption to make.”

HoarseMann wrote: “It's not Milton Keynes is it?! Got to have your wits about you. It's rare someone uses the correct lane for their exit.”

Steve K then told us that he “recently had a car driver toot their horn at me on a roundabout and then close pass me shouting ‘give way to the right on roundabouts’ after he had failed to do exactly that.”

eburtthebike, however, offered up a perfectly reasonable excuse for the driver’s behaviour:  

You obviously confused your right, as in right-hand side, with his right, as in his right to run you over for being on a bicycle.

Or maybe he said, "give way to the might" and you misheard. The might is always right.

And finally, before I head for my rest day massage and evening meal with the team, road.cc reader KDee helpfully found the other bikes that were stored in that pesky “camouflaged” bike shed:  

Driver crashes into bikes

“Bloody bicycles throwing themselves under cars and causing accidents,” wrote chrisonatrike.

Indeed…

11 July 2022, 16:06
BTS member Colnago
BTS band leader poses with £14,500 Colnago and Tod’s T Bike

I realise that the average age of our readers may be a touch high for the following few paragraphs but, hey, there’s a Colnago involved, so it’ll be fine…

Last month we featured on Bike at Bedtime a new collaboration between the venerable bike manufacturer and fellow Italian brand Tod’s (maker of luxury shoes and other leather goods) – the T Bike.

2022 Colnago x Tod's T Bike - 1.jpeg

The T Bike is built around a Colnago G3-X gravel frameset and is designed for urban riding. Oh, and it’s available in a limited edition of 70. And it can be bought using Bitcoin cryptocurrency. And it will set you back £14,500.

> Check out the exclusive Colnago and Tod’s T Bike… yours for £14,500

So perfect for bright young hipsters with more money then sense then (or just really, really big Colnago fans).

South Korean rapper RM (real name Kim Nam-joon, though RM stands for the super cool sobriquet Rap Monster) seems to be one of the lucky 70 to have snapped up the T Bike, posing with it for one of his Instagram stories today.

BTS rapper RM with Colnago T Bike

The 27-year-old is the leader of the world-famous K-pop boy group BTS (ask your children, or grandchildren).

Don’t worry, I’ve only vaguely heard of them – though I’ve been reliably informed that road.cc’s Jack and Dan are massive fans – but they’re certainly successful enough for their rapper to indulge Colnago’s recent fondness for all things crypto.

I suppose there are worse things pop stars could spend their money on…

11 July 2022, 15:50
Personally I prefer Jacques Anquetil’s rest day tradition of a steak and a nice bottle of red…
11 July 2022, 14:51
Pep’s pursuit: Guardiola chased on bike by overzealous fan

Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola may have been wishing he’d taken better advantage of the proximity of his club’s stadium with the Manchester velodrome, as he found himself in a bizarre pursuit match over the weekend.

The 51-year-old former Barcelona star was cycling through Manchester’s Parsonage Gardens at night, when an overzealous fan on a bike chased him down an alley in an attempt to get a photo with the Premier League-winning boss.

While a disgruntled-looking Pep managed to maintain his composure (just about) in the video, presumably uploaded to TikTok by the chaser, here at road.cc we’ve been trying to decipher what bike the City manager was riding on his urban commute.

While the sleek all-black look makes it tricky to work out immediately, we reckon it’s a Pinarello – the footballer’s brand of choice, and one that Pep’s been fond of in the past.

Guardiola – who had breakfast with Tadej Pogačar at the club’s Carrington training ground last November – isn’t the first City manager to be spotted with a Pinarello.

Former boss Roberto Mancini, who guided the club to its first league title in 44 years in 2012, is a keen cyclist who counts Felice Gimondi, Francesco Moser and Marco Pantani among his heroes.

Dave Brailsford and Roberto Mancini (copyright Getty Images)

On a visit to the Manchester velodrome in 2012 Mancini, who rode a custom blue Prestigio to training three or four times a week, said that his players could learn a lot from Team GB’s cyclists. A few years ago the current Italy manager spoke at an event hosted by the Michele Scarponi Foundation, where he claimed that it’s safer to cycle around areas of Manchester than in Italy.

Not sure Mancini would have said that if he’d been chased down an alleyway on his bike…

11 July 2022, 14:07
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Ben O’Connor out of Tour after week-long battle with injury

It’s been a rough nine days at the Tour de France for AG2R Citroën’s Australian GC hope Ben O’Connor.

O’Connor, who finished fourth at last year’s Tour after a stunning solo victory at Tignes, will not start tomorrow after failing to fully recover from injuries sustained in a crash during stage two in Denmark.

According to his team, the 26-year-old suffered a muscular lesion of the right gluteus medius, which was exacerbated during stage five’s cobble-laden trip to Arenberg and further crash on Saturday.

“Since his crash, Ben has suffered,” says the team’s doctor Serge Niamke. “The vibrations during the cobblestone stage did not facilitate his recovery and his second crash on Saturday during the eighth stage further aggravated the pain.”

Vincent Lavenu, AG2R Citroën’s general manager, added: “Given Ben's physical condition, it was obvious that he should not start the next stage in order to preserve his physical integrity. We felt that he has been chasing the last few days for the team, driven by the desire not to disappoint us.

“The fact that we felt that he should stop and rebuild himself physically and mentally, relieved him. He will be able to approach the second part of the season calmly with the Vuelta a España as his objective.”

O’Connor, who had been hoping to build upon his breakthrough performance at the 2021 Tour, said in a statement: “I have been fighting this glute injury for a couple of days, but it got even worse yesterday. So… I think it was the stage to Lausanne. I pulled my glute muscle, so I am more or less riding with one leg. These very chronic sharp pains that I get make it pretty impossible for me to continue the race.

“I’m obviously upset. It’s the Tour de France, it’s the biggest race of the year. It’s the race that we all aim for, it’s the one that we prepare all year, and we clearly came here with big objectives.

“Our heads turn pretty quickly to La Vuelta. I mean it was always on my calendar and I hope there I can fulfil the role that I dreamt of here at the Tour de France, but actually this time in La Vuelta.”

While the French squad had been originally aiming for GC success, their switch to stage hunting paid immediate dividends on Sunday, as Bob Jungels took an impressive solo win in the Swiss Alps.

“On Sunday, I was so happy for Bob,” says O’Connor. “It was complicated for me. But to see him win after so many problems going on for him, it was absolutely beautiful. It really put a massive smile on my face. When I was back in the grupetto with Oli [Naesen], we were just shocked and happy.

“I hope I have taken all the bad luck with me, and they can fight and bring some more success because we have such a good crew here.”

11 July 2022, 13:09
Eat my cycling shorts

Along with winning two stages of the Tour de France, stamping his authority on the race as he aims for a third consecutive title, and announcing the creation of a cancer research foundation in honour of his late mother-in-law, Tadej Pogačar has found room in his busy schedule to join America’s most famous family in time for the Tour’s first (proper) rest day:

Good to see that the tuft’s well represented…

Fun fact to make you all feel old: The Simpsons’ so-called “golden age”, as defined by many a TV critic, lasted up to its tenth series (though some argue it ended even earlier, but that’s a debate for another time).

The show’s tenth series first broadcast in August 1998 – one month before two-time Tour winner Pogačar was born…

11 July 2022, 12:46
Now that’s how you title a Strava ride
Ian Walker Strava

Delightful...

11 July 2022, 11:54
Says the man who barely put a dent into Contador on the Tourmalet in 2010… I’m not bitter or anything…
11 July 2022, 11:43
There’s something not quite right here, but I can’t put my finger on it…

Ah, those Schwalbe bikes with no gears, I’m a big fan… 

11 July 2022, 10:43
2022 Tour de France, stage 9 (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
Rest day roundup: Welcome (back) to the Jungels, Pinot Noir, and AVV… again

Main image: Zac Williams/SWpix.com

No bike racing today? What’s going on?

While we all experience withdrawal symptoms from the sudden dearth of live cycling on the TV, the riders of the Tour de France and Giro d’Italia Donne are enjoying a well-earned rest after a week and a half of gruelling racing (and travelling).

Over the weekend, the 2022 Tour continued its penchant for inspiring back stories and tales of redemption, all set to the most stunning backdrop of the race so far in the Swiss Alps.

2022 Tour de France, stage 9 (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

Zac Williams/SWpix.com

After Wout van Aert Wouted everyone in Lausanne on Saturday (the ruthless, calculating flip side to his romantic, panache-filled but ultimately doomed breakaway to Longwy 48 hours before), adding un uphill puncheurs’ finish to his varied list of Tour stage wins, yesterday Bob Jungels and Thibaut Pinot went head-to-head during a thrilling mountain pursuit match.

Both Jungels and Pinot have suffered setback after setback in recent years. AG2R Citroën rider Jungels, a monument winner at Liège–Bastogne–Liège in 2018, has failed to kick on at the French team after a series of injuries in 2020 were followed by surgery for iliac artery endofibrosis.

Pinot, meanwhile, has also endured a torrid few years after tearfully abandoning the 2019 Tour de France with a torn quadricep while seemingly on the cusp of a first French Tour win since 1985.

A recurring back injury has prevented the Groupama-FDJ rider from regaining the form that saw him win atop the Tourmalet three years ago, though stage wins at the Tour of the Alps and Tour de Suisse this year have given the home fans some hope of at least a stage win. Even at this Tour, however, he’s suffered yet more hardship – minutes after crashing on Saturday’s stage to Lausanne, he collided headfirst with the outstretched arm of a Trek-Segafredo soigneur, attempting to hand out food to one of the team’s riders.

Pinot’s reaction to the bizarre incident, collapsing melancholically into the shoulders of an EF-EasyPost press officer standing on the roadside, seemed to sum up his last few years, and indeed his relationship with his country’s biggest sporting event. Surely something would go right, at least once for the luckless darling of French cycling?

2022 Tour de France, Thibaut Pinot (A.S.O._Charly_Lopez)

A.S.O.,Charly Lopez

So, as Pinot gained time quickly on sole leader Jungels following a blistering attack on the Pas de Morgins, all of France – and most of the cycling world, let’s face it – held its breath.

However, like many of the chapters already written in Thibaut Pinot’s mercurial career since he burst onto the Tour scene ten years ago, this one would end in tears. Jungels, in full time trial mode, was too strong, his own emotional redemptive arc complete, after a stunning 65km solo ride in the mountains.

2022 Tour de France stage 9, Bob Jungles (A.S.O._Charly_Lopez)

A.S.O., Charly Lopez

Pinot, meanwhile, faded, and was even caught by Spanish duo Jonathan Castroviejo and Carlos Verona before the line (off-screen, Tadej Pogačar was being Tadej Pogačar, burning all of his rivals off his wheel – with the exception of Jonas Vingegaard – with a ferocious sprint towards the line. Is this the shape of the next two weeks to come?).

But all eyes were on Jungels and Pinot – two clear personifications of what the Tour can give, and what it can take away.

Annemiek van Vleuten, meanwhile, didn’t need any romantic storylines on the way to her third overall Giro d’Italia Donne victory.

The dominant Dutchwoman remained calm as closest rival Marta Cavalli distanced her not once, but twice on Saturday’s queen stage to San Lorenzo Dorsino, and in the end only lost 16 seconds to the FDJ rider. Up ahead, Kristen Faulkner held on for her second win of the race – and with it, the mountains jersey – after a long-distance breakaway over three major climbs.

On Sunday’s final flat stage into Padova, Chiara Consonni sprinted to her first ever victory at her home grand tour, as Van Vleuten cruised home in pink to add to her previous Giro wins in 2018 and 2019, underlining her status as the red-hot favourite for the Tour de France Femmes later this month.

“It’s nice being back,” Van Vleuten said at the finish.

“After 2020 when I was in the maglia rosa I left the Giro with a broken wrist, so it’s nice to finish it off again in the pink.

“Pink is not my favourite colour, but in the Giro it is. If I’m riding here in it, so many Italian people are saying ‘maglia rosa, maglia rosa’, so it’s really special to wear pink in Italy. It’s a big honour for me to take it home again.”

11 July 2022, 10:29
“Cyclists, cycle over the roof”: How to deal with motorists parking in bike lanes, Paris-style
11 July 2022, 09:43
That bike shed should have been wearing hi-vis and a helmet

Ladies and gentlemen, I believe we’ve finally stumbled into the wonderful world of bike shed victim blaming… 

Other Twitter users, thankfully, weren’t so quick to blame that lycra-clad, Tour de France-wannabe bike storage facility (formerly positioned on London’s Harrow Road, near Kensal Green Station), and offered up some alternative theories concerning the nature of its untimely demise:

11 July 2022, 09:26
2022 Tour de France stage 2 A.S.O._Pauline_Ballet)
And breathe… UCI confirms that all overnight Tour de France Covid tests are negative

A collective sigh of relief could be heard across the Alps this morning, as the UCI confirmed that no Tour de France riders had tested positive for Covid-19 in overnight controls carried out on the entire peloton.

The UCI said in a statement: “In accordance with the ‘Rules for the organisation of road cycling competitions in the context of the coronavirus pandemic’, established by the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) and recently updated for the Grand Tours, all riders participating in the Tour de France were tested on the evening of 10 July.

“All tests were negative.

“However, the UCI reminds all participants that the rules introduced over the last two years in the interests of everyone’s health and safety continue to apply. These include the obligation to wear a mask, to maintain sufficient physical distance and to disinfect hands frequently.”

Covid has loomed large over this year’s Tour de France, with three riders – Guillaume Martin (Cofidis), Geoffrey Bouchard (AG2R Citroën), and Vegard Stake Laengen (a teammate of Tadej Pogačar at UAE Team Emirates) – already being forced to leave the race after testing positive over the weekend.

A number of riders, such as Tim Declercq and Matteo Trentin, also had to withdraw from the Tour in the days leading up to the Grand Départ in Copenhagen.

So this morning’s news of no rest day positives – always a welcome sign at the Tour de France – will ease a few nerves among the riders, team staff and race organisation. For the time being anyway…

11 July 2022, 09:05
Mondays…
11 July 2022, 08:42
“No one has right of way on a roundabout”: Response to Jeremy Vine near miss video baffles cyclists

By now, pedalling broadcaster Jeremy Vine is well used to receiving… let’s call it constructive feedback from motorists on Twitter, angry at the Radio 2 presenter’s latest video from his daily commute through London, which invariably highlights – in Vine’s eyes – some form of poor or dangerous driving.

For example, Friday’s clip – which featured a bus driver almost pulling out in front of Vine as he made his way across a roundabout – led to more than a few complaints from drivers critical of the broadcaster’s position in the left lane (after riding in the cycle lane) as he entered the roundabout:

According to the Rule 186 of the Highway Code, however, “cyclists, horse riders and horse drawn vehicles may stay in the left-hand lane when they intend to continue across or around the roundabout and should signal right to show you they are not leaving the roundabout.

“Drivers should take extra care when entering a roundabout to ensure that they do not cut across cyclists, horse riders or horse drawn vehicles in the left-hand lane, who are continuing around the roundabout.”

While most of the Twitter road safety commentators in Vine’s mentions tripped up on that specific aspect of the Highway Code, one bot – I mean person – managed to drop this absolute clanger, demonstrating a poor understanding of how roundabouts work and the new hierarchy of vulnerable road users in the Highway Code:

Needless to say, this morning’s replies were fun (including a bonus mention of Friday's article about the serial driving test passer):

Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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andystow | 2 years ago
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...the 26-year-old suffered a muscular legion of the right gluteus medius.

"Lesion" maybe?

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captain_slog replied to andystow | 2 years ago
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andystow wrote:

... a muscular legion of the right gluteus medius.

I believe it was a very common complaint among Roman soldiers.

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chrisonabike replied to captain_slog | 2 years ago
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Could be fatal.  On grave markers you can read it: "ars longa vita brevis".  I believe in the pronounciation the "s" is voiceless...

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mark1a replied to captain_slog | 2 years ago
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captain_slog wrote:

andystow wrote:

... a muscular legion of the right gluteus medius.

I believe it was a very common complaint among Roman soldiers.

I wonder if Fabian Cancellara was a sufferer?

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Jenova20 replied to captain_slog | 2 years ago
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captain_slog wrote:

andystow wrote:

... a muscular legion of the right gluteus medius.

I believe it was a very common complaint among Roman soldiers.

Wait until Biggus Dickus hears of this.

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Ryan Mallon replied to andystow | 2 years ago
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I have a good excuse for this - Word autocorrected it, and I didn't notice. So don't blame me, blame the computers...

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Steve K replied to Ryan Mallon | 2 years ago
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Ryan Mallon wrote:

I have a good excuse for this - Word autocorrected it, and I didn't notice. So don't blame me, blame the computers...

Now, what's that phrase about some kind of workman blaming his tools? 😉

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captain_slog | 2 years ago
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It was gripping to watch Pinot giving everything to try and overhaul Jungels. Such is the cruelty of cycle racing that in the end his efforts brought him nothing but the combativity consolation prize and there was a poignancy to his lonely walk back to the team bus.

Thanks for a great summary. Overall I've been very entertained by the first week of racing.

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brooksby | 2 years ago
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https://metro.co.uk/2022/07/11/stoke-on-trent-locals-mock-council-for-bu...

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Annoyed locals have hit out at a council for closing a road for a month to build a cycle lane just 20ft long – which has been named ‘a glorified lay-by’.

Pensioner Bill Priddin says he’s amused by the ‘underwhelming and unnecessary’ new addition in Kidsgrove, Stoke-on-Trent.

The 73-year-old claims it’s a waste of money as it’s the ‘only cycle lane in our town’ and ‘people don’t even know it’s there’.

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chrisonabike replied to brooksby | 2 years ago
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And people say it takes years to build cycle infra!

Probably worth the time and expense to trap those dangerous cycles though.  Looks like the idea is to feed them in from the right then keep them going round and round like sharks in a tank.

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brooksby replied to chrisonabike | 2 years ago
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Perhaps the council intended it for kids to learn on?

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ktache | 2 years ago
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I see the giro are still risking their podium placers eyesite with their dangerous prosecco corks being left in place.

It would appear that safety eyewear had been provided but seemingly had been chosen to wear in an inapropriate manner.

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quiff replied to ktache | 2 years ago
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ktache wrote:

I see the giro are still risking their podium placers eyesite with their dangerous prosecco corks being left in place.

Not always. One of the earlier stages:

https://twitter.com/eurosport/status/1542510006666350597

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Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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Love the blaming the bike shed for being disguised as a pig shed:

- Any bike sheds behind Fred?

- Nah mate, just a shed full of pigs.

- I'l just keep reversing over it then shall I?

- Right you are mate.

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brooksby | 2 years ago
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https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/jul/04/people-making-a-dif...

Pushbike Paul, the man who’s restored thousands of bikes to fund a hospice

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Owd Big 'Ead replied to brooksby | 2 years ago
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Lovely fella, is Paul.

Used to live just down the road from  me.

Does sterling work for the local community.

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Owd Big 'Ead | 2 years ago
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Another example of piss poor cycling infrastructure. Stay left and get hooked by left turning motorists, or go into the "car" Lane and get rear ended while being shouted at for not being in the cycle lane!
Who ever signed that off as roadworthy at the council should hang their head in shame. At some stage that will become a cyclist killer, it's that poor.

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brooksby | 2 years ago
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IIRC lipstick is really difficult to remove from a car.  You have to T-Cut the paintwork after you've washed off the lipstick or else it leaves a 'shadow' on the paint.

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AlsoSomniloquism | 2 years ago
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Although TruthA is kind of correct. If you look at the HC for approaching a roundabout compared to exiting a side road, it is only a should give priority to vehicles approaching from the right, not a MUST. I'm not stating the Police wouldn't charge someone for driving offences in an accident.

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HoarseMann replied to AlsoSomniloquism | 2 years ago
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The absence of 'right of way' stretches further than roundabouts. This sentence in the general rules section often gets overlooked:

The rules in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstance, but they advise you when you should give way to others. Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident.

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Moist von Lipwig replied to HoarseMann | 2 years ago
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I live in an area with a lot of directional lane two lane roundabouts - if you pull out solely because someone is in the left turn lane (irrespective of their mode of transport), you're just asking for trouble.  If they're not indicating and/or have a speed to match the turn they're making, its not an assumption to make.

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HoarseMann replied to Moist von Lipwig | 2 years ago
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It's not Milton Keynes is it?! Got to have your wits about you. It's rare someone uses the correct lane for their exit.

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quiff replied to AlsoSomniloquism | 2 years ago
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They're also kind of correct in the sense that "right of way" is the wrong term. Right of way is about the legal right to use certain land (including public roads). What everyone is talking about here is who has "priority" at a roundabout. I appreciate this is a bit of a "wing mirrors" argument. 

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Rendel Harris replied to AlsoSomniloquism | 2 years ago
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It's arguable but I'd say the applicable rule would be 172:

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You MUST give way to traffic on the main road when emerging from a junction with broken white lines across the road.

I would've thought the roundabout counts as the main road in this case, and in any case the bus driver did unquestionably ignore the broken white line give way markings.

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HoarseMann replied to Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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Rule 172 references the Give Way sign and dashed markings, which are a MUST, but the roundabout markings are only advisory.

It's all a bit academic, as I'm sure if it got to court it would be considered as a similar contributing factor. The difference is possibly the bar for getting to court is set a bit higher for breaching a roundabout marking than would be for a give-way marking.

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Rendel Harris replied to HoarseMann | 2 years ago
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HoarseMann wrote:

Rule 172 references the Give Way sign and dashed markings, which are a MUST, but the roundabout markings are only advisory.

I don't know, so genuine question, but are you sure? It would seem a very odd thing to do to have give way markings on one type of junction meaning one thing and on another meaning another?

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ktache replied to Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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Aren't give way lines two lines of dashed lines, but the entrance markings on roundabouts are only one. 

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Rendel Harris replied to ktache | 2 years ago
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ktache wrote:

Aren't give way lines two lines of dashed lines, but the entrance markings on roundabouts are only one. 

Yes, not sure on this one TBH, the RAC says "A ‘chunkier’, broken white line [as in the JV vid] indicates that you must give way to traffic from the right at mini roundabouts" but I can't see anything in the HC about the difference between the various forms of give way markings.

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ktache replied to Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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Fine point.

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HoarseMann replied to Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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It's not in the Highway Code, but in the underpinning legislation. One under the 'regulatory' section, the other under the 'advisory' section. In practise, ignoring either is probably going to lead to the same offence.

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