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Police enforce ‘no cycling’ signs
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“Counter-productive war on cyclists”: Anger over police enforcing ‘no cycling’ signs; Good news: VAT on bikes cut…Bad news: in the EU; Alt Tour jersey on Ebay; World champ’s Specialized (+2022 route revealed); Cyclo-cross skills + more on the live blog

Happy Friday! The weekend is just around the corner, Dan Alexander will be bringing it home with your final live blog of the week
  • by Dan Alexander
Fri, Dec 10, 2021 08:59
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SUMMARY

  • "Counter-productive war on cyclists": Anger over police enforcing 'no cycling' signs
  • (Not) stuck in the mud cyclo-cross skills
  • British Cycling announces dates and venues for 2022 youth and junior national road calendars
  • LightUpTheNightCycleRide
  • Return of 'Le Roi'
  • Fancy buying Lachlan Morton's Alt Tour jersey off eBay? It'll cost you...
  • Friday funny ft. Boris Johnson and Alberto Contador
  • Deceuninck-Quick-Step duo Rémi Cavagna and Mauri Vansevenant injured in training camp crash
  • More cycling infrastructure could prevent 15,000 deaths annually, new study finds
  • Alaphilippe's three-peat dream alive as 2022 Worlds course includes punchy climb close to finish
  • VAT's not too shabby...EU cuts VAT on bikes and e-bikes
  • Will these new brushes improve the post-ride chore?
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10 December 2021, 08:59

"Counter-productive war on cyclists": Anger over police enforcing 'no cycling' signs

@wandbc waging its endless, counter-productive war on cyclists who want to keep themselves safe. @Jo_Earlsfield @willnorman pic.twitter.com/eVRihhEQvh

— Ben 🇪🇺 💙 (@benjyhere) December 9, 2021

Loads of reaction to round-up from this…mainly people not very happy to see the major crime of riding a bike where you shouldn’t being punished.

Some pointed out the irony of being able to drive a bulky diesel van into a park to stop people pedalling a push bike. Others shared pictures of cars and vans parked on pavements and asked why the authorities think this is more pressing.

Ben, who shared the photo from a park in Wandsworth, called the action an “endless, counter-productive war on cyclists who want to keep themselves safe.”

And while some pointed out the parks police have different powers to the regular coppers and can only deal with offences in areas under their control, it’s fair to say the majority of replies couldn’t understand the crackdown.

That’s of course assuming this incident was definitely a ‘no cycling’ enforcement. Rory Meakin asked Wandsworth Police if there were any aggravating factors in the case, but only got a reply saying the parks police isn’t part of the Met and is a service employed by the council.

Here’s some of the reaction…

“That 20kg, 15mph bike might be a hazard to someone. This two-tonne van? Just fine.”

Seriously, Wandsworth, this policy makes you look like dinosaurs.

— Angus Hewlett (@angus_f_h) December 9, 2021

Imagine punishing people who have to protect themselves because the police don’t keep the roads safe.

— Jon (@Jontafkasi) December 9, 2021

10 December 2021, 08:59

(Not) stuck in the mud cyclo-cross skills

Eso si es manejar la bici ⁦@felipeorts15⁩ .
Enhorabuena 💪💪 pic.twitter.com/UHMrFRw0Pa

— Rubén Pérez (@rubenperez1981) December 8, 2021

10 December 2021, 08:59

British Cycling announces dates and venues for 2022 youth and junior national road calendars

We can today announce the dates and venues for the 2022 youth and junior national road calendars, including five new races 🗓

Full story 📰 https://t.co/Qs92WjSrXx pic.twitter.com/wWOjD9pLR9

— British Cycling (@BritishCycling) December 9, 2021

Five new races on the junior national road calendar is the headline here, plus the news that the junior national road and time trial championships will take place in North Yorkshire, with the circuit champs in Scarborough. All the details are over on British Cycling’s website…

10 December 2021, 08:59

LightUpTheNightCycleRide

Tonight we ride! For #16DaysOfActivism we #LightUpTheNight because women and girls should have safe protected on-road well-lit cycling infrastructure! #WomenCycleToo Join Us! pic.twitter.com/1H21AnLEbq

— LightUpTheNightCycleRide (@LightUpEdi) December 10, 2021

10 December 2021, 08:59

Return of 'Le Roi'

Ready to spin the legs around Calpe. pic.twitter.com/TjgjvzQUZi

— Deceuninck-QuickStep (@deceuninck_qst) December 10, 2021

 The route of the 2022 Road World Championships was announced earlier today, so it’s only fitting that we’ve been treated to an off-season rainbow sighting.

The current king of the Worlds Julian Alaphilippe is in Calpe for his Deceuninck–Quick-Step team’s annual winter training camp. Ahead of the trip to Spain, the French superstar posted photos of his partner and former pro Marion Rousse and their six-month-old son, with the caption ‘here we go again’.

It’s the fifth year in a row that the Belgian squad (which will be known as Quick Step-Alpha Vinyl in 2022) have visited the Costa Blanca town, so Alaphilippe will be hoping that the familiar roads and sunshine act as a good omen for the upcoming season.

And with a pesky one kilometre climb included in the Worlds circuit in Wollongong, we may be seeing that rainbow-clad S-Works for a while longer yet.

10 December 2021, 08:59

Fancy buying Lachlan Morton's Alt Tour jersey off eBay? It'll cost you...

Lachlan Morton - Photo Credit Grubers 06
Lachlan Morton - Photo Credit Grubers 06 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Lachlan Morton - Photo Credit Grubers 06
Lachlan Morton – Photo Credit Grubers 06 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

One ‘heavily used’ jersey for sale on Ebay is nothing uncommon, but this is no ordinary jersey. This is the EF Rapha kit Lachlan Morton wore for the entirety of his Alt Tour challenge. Morton successfully beat the peloton to Paris, and if you want a piece of history to remember the ride this could be the memorabilia for you…

Oh, did I forget to mention you’ll need a fat wallet? Bidding’s already at US $3,250.00 and there’s still four days left…

“I thought about holding onto it but it can do more good changing hands than under my bed. It’s going up on eBay today with all proceeds going to Pedalling Minds here in boulder,” Morton wrote on Instagram.

 
 
 
 
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10 December 2021, 08:59

Friday funny ft. Boris Johnson and Alberto Contador

A good way to remember how many children Boris Johnson has is that it’s the same number of Grand Tours won by Alberto Contador

— Cillian Kelly (@irishpeloton) December 9, 2021

10 December 2021, 08:59

Deceuninck-Quick-Step duo Rémi Cavagna and Mauri Vansevenant injured in training camp crash

Both @remicav and @MVansevenant99 were involved in a training accident on Wednesday while at our camp in Spain.

Read more about it and join us in wishing them the best for their recovery: https://t.co/A4jyzxpSPc
Photo: @GettySport pic.twitter.com/JtzwVMvGAP

— Deceuninck-QuickStep (@deceuninck_qst) December 10, 2021

 Rémi Cavagna has suffered an L1 vertebrae fracture, while Mauri Vansevenant incurred a broken thumb, during a crash at the Deceuninck-Quick-Step training camp in Spain.

Cavagna remains in hospital for further treatment where the team says he is being looked after by Dr. Ignacio Muñoz at Hospital IMSKE Valencia, with the plan being to operate on Monday. The French rider thankfully avoided any neurological damage.

10 December 2021, 08:59

More cycling infrastructure could prevent 15,000 deaths annually, new study finds

Brentford bike lane
Brentford bike lane (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Brentford bike lane
Brentford bike lane (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

A new study, shared by Planetizen, found that improving cycling infrastructure could save thousands of lives each year. The Environmental Health Perspectives study modelled the “comprehensive global public health impacts of the mode shift to cycling”, finding that replacing car journeys with bike trips could prevent more than 15,000 deaths per year in the US alone.

The study took into account deaths from road traffic collisions and pollution-related diseases. The study reported: “Even if just 8 percent of those new bike trips replaced journeys in a car — an extraordinarily conservative estimate, considering that in this hypothetical world, every urban area in the world would be outfitted with Amsterdam-levels of bike lanes — researchers say that 18,589 lives could be saved across the globe, 1,227 of which would be in the U.S. alone.”

10 December 2021, 08:59

Alaphilippe's three-peat dream alive as 2022 Worlds course includes punchy climb close to finish

We were expecting a flat sprint for #Wollongong2022 so Ewan could win. Instead we’ve got a great attack point for a puncher with 8km to go.

The three-peat for Julian is possible! pic.twitter.com/nBjilZg8U4

— Mathew Mitchell (@MatMitchell30) December 10, 2021

We briefly mentioned the Worlds course had been announced while talking about Julian Alaphilippe’s sparkly Spesh…

Well, here’s a closer peek at the route, including an intriguing looking kicker placed at 8km to go. 1.1km @ 7.7 per cent with double digit gradients in the middle. Too hard for Caleb Ewan? Will Mathieu van der Poel, Wout van Aert and Julian Alaphilippe go nuclear? Could Michael Matthews be the best hope of a home victory? So many questions we need answers to…

10 December 2021, 08:59

VAT's not too shabby...EU cuts VAT on bikes and e-bikes

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Brexit Flickr Creative Commons (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Brexit Flickr Creative Commons
Brexit Flickr Creative Commons (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

I miss the days when Brexit dominated the news cycle, before Plan A, Plan B, party planning and the rest of it…Well, talking of the EU, consumers across the continent will benefit from a newly announced VAT cut on a range of goods, including bikes and e-bikes.

Cyclingindustrynews reports that on December 7th the Council of the EU announced a “modernised” VAT directive with some changes designed to stimulate EU agenda priorities. Member states’ will now cut VAT on supply, rental and repair of bikes and e-bikes. It also means e-bikes will no longer be named alongside fuel, oil and gas-powered transport, so will no longer need to be subject to a 15 per cent VAT rate.

“We very much welcome the result of the Council negotiations on the revision of EU VAT rates, which will make bicycles and e-bikes even more affordable and accessible for consumers in the EU,” Jill Warren, CEO of the European Cyclists’ Federation said. 

“The inclusion of both conventional and electric bicycles in the list of goods eligible for reduced VAT rates adds a powerful instrument to member states’ toolbox for promoting cycling. We now call upon all EU countries to make use of this new possibility and apply reduced VAT rates for the benefit of consumers all over Europe.”

10 December 2021, 08:59

Will these new brushes improve the post-ride chore?

Peaty's Brush Set Outdoors
Peaty's Brush Set Outdoors (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Peaty's Brush Set Outdoors
Peaty's Brush Set Outdoors (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Peaty’s has released a new set of brushes with unique features and materials that are aimed at being as user-friendly and environmentally-conscious as possible, without compromising on performance. 

The brand says it found “natural fibres were either too soft, too stiff or not durable enough to last months of cleaning abuse on tough components like cassettes and spokes” and so it has attempted to source synthetic fibre bristles manufactured from post-consumer recycled (PCR) plastic. Due to material shortages caused by Covid though, currently only the bristles in the detail brush are made from PCR plastic, but the brand says it’s continuing to work with their suppliers to source PCR bristles for the remaining brushes in the future.

Let’s take a look at the new range…

Peaty’s Bog Brush (£12.99) has 360 degree long bristles with flagged ends for “all over cleaning without clattering” and “thick foamy goodness”.

Then there’s the medium density bristled Detailer Brush (£8.99) which has a thin cylindrical shape for hard to reach areas and is for using on suspension linkages, pedals, seat rails, hubs and spokes. A soft cotton tip is designed to prevent scratching, as does the plastic coated wire core. 

The Drivetrain Brush (£8.99) has a lower centre with stiffer bristles to provide a channel for the chain to sit into. A chisel cut handle end should also help with removing gunk from jockey wheels.

Lastly, the Tyre Brush (£8.99) has durable, stiff stepped height bristles that help wrap around the tyre and maximise surface contact. The bristles also run 90 degrees to the handle for ease of cleaning.

10 December 2021, 08:59

Peloton responds to Sex & The City character’s death while riding one of its bikes

Peloton responds to Sex & The City character’s death while riding one of its bikes

At-home fitness brand issues spectacularly po-faced statement following opening episode of rebooted show

10 December 2021, 08:59

Near Miss of the Day 674: “The driver is going to have to inconvenience someone,” say police – that “someone” was a cyclist

Near Miss of the Day 674: “The driver is going to have to inconvenience someone,” say police – that “someone” was a cyclist

Our regular series featuring close passes from around the country - today it's Gloucestershire

10 December 2021, 08:59

Near Miss of the Day 675: Four rules broken at once

Near Miss of the Day 675: Four rules broken at once

Our regular series featuring close passes from around the country - today it's Thames Valley

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Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too. Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he’s not working you’ll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he’ll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he’s a bit strange like that.  

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  1. Secret_squirrel
    December 10, 2021 at 9:52 am
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    Playing devils advocate here

    Playing devils advocate here – its really not clear from a single photo why the Park Rozzers stopped the guy on the bike – the OP states that it was soley for cycling in the the park without providing any supporting evidence and then the twitter dog pile begins.

    (On balance I think their assumption is probably right – but its difficult to say just from a Photo and no clear narrative.)

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    • mdavidford
      December 10, 2021 at 10:03 am
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      Looks to me like they’re

      Looks to me like they’re trying to sign them up for a regular donation to the Retired Police Officers Benefit Fund.

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    • AlsoSomniloquism
      December 10, 2021 at 10:38 am
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      At a guess, and because the

      At a guess, and because the only visible no cycling sign is leading into the alleyway, he had cycled down that towards them and was then stopped.

      I wonder if the Police just let them off because someone was going to be inconvenienced? 

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      • Secret_squirrel
        December 10, 2021 at 11:31 am
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        AlsoSomniloquism wrote:

        At a guess, and because the only visible no cycling sign is leading into the alleyway, he had cycled down that towards them and was then stopped.

        — AlsoSomniloquism

        In which case I tend to agree with the stop if it was just a friendly warning.  Thats far too narrow to do it safely.

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        • AlsoSomniloquism
          December 10, 2021 at 11:48 am
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          Same here, but expect it was

          Same here, but expect it was not a warning but straight prosecution being as she has clipboard and cyclist is getting details from his wallet.

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          • brooksby
            December 10, 2021 at 1:47 pm
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            AlsoSomniloquism wrote:

            Same here, but expect it was not a warning but straight prosecution being as she has clipboard and cyclist is getting details from his wallet.

            — AlsoSomniloquism

            Funny how motorists so often seem to get ‘warnings’ or ‘advisory letters’ and yet when its a cyclist they go straight in with a FPN…

             

            Yes, I know that’s whataboutery, and I also know I’m making a h— of a generalisation 😉

          • wtjs
            December 10, 2021 at 4:00 pm
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            Funny how motorists so often

            Funny how motorists so often seem to get ‘warnings’ or ‘advisory letters’ and yet when it’s a cyclist they go straight in with a FPN…

            You’re living in the past! Go Ahead forces like Lancashire with a ‘cutting red tape’ agenda have abolished warnings or advisory letters for pretty much any offence committed by a driver- the approved method is to ignore the offence completely if the offenders make ignoring worth the officers’ while. Darkened window Range Rover F2 YNY is shown here crashing through a red light at 50+ mph- no response from LC. The same family owns almost identical black Range Rover F1 YNY- I haven’t caught that one yet.

          • AlsoSomniloquism
            December 10, 2021 at 4:11 pm
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            I’m sure some knobhead will

            I’m sure some knobhead will comment to mention cycling registrations are needed. I’m sure said knobhead would also be first in the queue to register him and his daughter with the tattoos needed because ALL cyclists will need to register. 

             

    • Garage at Large
      December 10, 2021 at 2:04 pm
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      The reason why police are

      The reason why police are more active issuing FPNs to cyclists who flout the rules is because otherwise there is zero means of detecting and tracing the culprits. Without registration there is no other solution than this active presence.

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      • Rendel Harris
        December 10, 2021 at 2:37 pm
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        • Garage at Large
          December 10, 2021 at 2:44 pm
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          I’ve already told you, better

          I’ve already told you, better at me than at others and your partner. If it makes you feel better please continue.

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          • Rendel Harris
            December 10, 2021 at 3:00 pm
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      • wycombewheeler
        December 10, 2021 at 2:40 pm
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        Garage at Large wrote:

        The reason why police are more active issuing FPNs to cyclists who flout the rules is because otherwise there is zero means of detecting and tracing the culprits. Without registration there is no other solution than this active presence.

        — Garage at Large

        No, it’s because it’s easy to stop a bicycle and much harder to stop a car. Despite protestations from the motor lobby that drivers are being persecuted.

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      • giff77
        December 10, 2021 at 6:35 pm
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    • leipreachan
      December 10, 2021 at 8:32 pm
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      I’m pretty much sure it’s

      I’m pretty much sure it’s that part of the Wandsworth common (a footpath comming from Baskerville Road)

      https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.44983/-0.17004&layers=C

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  2. brooksby
    December 10, 2021 at 10:21 am
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    Quote:

    only got a reply saying the parks police isn’t part of the Met and is a service employed by the council.

    So not actually police.

    So, passing themselves off as police.

    So – committing an offence themselves!

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    • Captain Badger
      December 10, 2021 at 10:26 am
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      brooksby wrote:

      only got a reply saying the parks police isn’t part of the Met and is a service employed by the council.

      — brooksby

      So not actually police.

      So, passing themselves off as police.

      So – committing an offence themselves!

      Sadly they have full police powers

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      • brooksby
        December 10, 2021 at 10:58 am
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        I meant that I was under the

        I meant that I was under the impression that you can’t call yourselves “Police” if you are not actually a police force (there must be some sort of legal procedure for establishing a police force?).  Otherwise every local councils ‘environmental enforcement’ people would be calling themselves ‘the Green Police’ or some sh!t…

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        • Captain Badger
          December 10, 2021 at 11:10 am
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          brooksby wrote:

          I meant that I was under the impression that you can’t call yourselves “Police” if you are not actually a police force (there must be some sort of legal procedure for establishing a police force?).  Otherwise every local councils ‘environmental enforcement’ people would be calling themselves ‘the Green Police’ or some sh!t…

          — brooksby

          I don’t know the details, but they report into the Dept of media culture and sport rather than the HO. I understand that there are other council run parks police, but they don’t have teh same powers.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Parks_Constabulary

          I particularly like the last sentence of the article:

          The Royal Parks Constabulary had white vehicles with Orange decals on them. Later on, they had yellow decals.

          — Wiki

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          • mdavidford
            December 10, 2021 at 11:15 am
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            This would have been the

            This would have been the Wandsworth Parks & Events Police, though.

          • Secret_squirrel
            December 10, 2021 at 11:30 am
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            Captain Badger wrote:

            I don’t know the details, but they report into the Dept of media culture and sport rather than the HO. I understand that there are other council run parks police, but they don’t have teh same powers.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Parks_Constabulary

            — Captain Badger

            Very similar but seperate org.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandsworth_Parks_and_Events_Police

            Who knew all these London Councils had actual Rozzers instead of “enforcement officers”, albeit they only have powers of arrest for certain things commited in their Parks.  The Park boundary is like a county line to them.  They’ve even got a Dog Unit – which probably makes sense for maintaining public order in case the Wandsworth fete gets out of hand.

             

        • mdavidford
          December 10, 2021 at 11:12 am
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          They are a police force,

          They are a police force, albeit with limited jurisdiction – local authorities are legally enabled to appoint constables to enforce regulations and bye-laws relating to open spaces (not just to enforce any old rules and regulations).

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        • Kapelmuur
          December 10, 2021 at 1:11 pm
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          brooksby wrote:

          I meant that I was under the impression that you can’t call yourselves “Police” if you are not actually a police force (there must be some sort of legal procedure for establishing a police force?).  Otherwise every local councils ‘environmental enforcement’ people would be calling themselves ‘the Green Police’ or some sh!t…

          — brooksby

          I worked in a building that had a couple of security guys who referred to themselves as ‘site police’.

          It kept us pen pushers amused.

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  3. Philltrz
    December 10, 2021 at 10:50 am
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    So Peloton’s share price has
    So Peloton’s share price has dropped about 10% today off the back of the Sex and the City reboot killing off Big (one of the main characters) with a spin session induced heart attack. I feel the live blog deserves to know so we can all congratulate Sarah Jessica Parker for accidentally doing what we’ve been trying to achieve for years now: bring down Peloton.

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    • brooksby
      December 10, 2021 at 10:59 am
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      SPOILERS!! 

      SPOILERS!! surprise

       

      (Just joking – don’t think I’ve seen a single episode of that show…).

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      • Awavey
        December 10, 2021 at 11:13 am
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        It was so funny because I had
        It was so funny because I had Sky on as background noise, hadnt even realised it was the Sex & the City thing, not paying attention at all but glanced up just to see the Peloton scene and just thought wow Peloton bike ads have gone a bit dark for Christmas 🙂

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        • AlsoSomniloquism
          December 10, 2021 at 11:51 am
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          Well it seemed to have gone

          Well it seemed to have gone dark last XMas if you saw the tone of those as “controlling husband buys wife fitness machine to bodyshame her after giving birth and she then feels forced to use it”. 

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  4. Slartibartfast
    December 10, 2021 at 6:12 pm
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    As James Hayden said on Lachy
    As James Hayden said on Lachy’s Instagram post: it’s a shame he’s decided to auction it not raffle it. No guarantee that the auction will raise more money, but it will guarantee that it goes to the person with the most money rather than some lucky fan, which seems like a shame.

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  5. Hirsute
    December 10, 2021 at 8:14 pm
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    NSL – check

    NSL – check

    Chevons for tight bend – check

    Blind Bend – check

    Cyclist in strong secondary/primary check

    Low sun obscuring view ahead – check

    OVERTAKE !!!

     

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  6. Rome73
    December 11, 2021 at 8:17 am
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    I was stopped by the Parks

    I was stopped by the Parks Police in Hampstead Heath. It was a cold, mid – week, wet winter afternoon, the place was deserted, I was cycling up hill at about 5mph when a Range Rover coming the other way  blocked me. I was told to get off the bike. When I asked why, the Police told me it was because cycling was banned and a danger to  Heath users. I pointed out the obvious: the place was deserted, i was barely moving going uphill and that they were driving a 4×4 so how was that any safer? If you don’t get off the bike we will fine you £350 was their answer. So i got off. 

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    • Rendel Harris
      December 11, 2021 at 8:40 am
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      I was stopped last summer

      I was stopped last summer riding through Hyde Park around 6AM on a Sunday on a permitted cycle path and warned not to ride on any of the internal paths that cross the park. When I pointed out that I wasn’t doing so and had no intention of doing so the officer agreed but explained that they were “just warning people not to.” I thanked him and went on my merry way, buoyed by the knowledge that my tax quids were being spent on such a sensible exercise rather than fripperies like catching criminals.

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      • Steve K
        December 11, 2021 at 9:25 am
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        Rendel Harris wrote:

        I was stopped last summer riding through Hyde Park around 6AM on a Sunday on a permitted cycle path and warned not to ride on any of the internal paths that cross the park. When I pointed out that I wasn’t doing so and had no intention of doing so the officer agreed but explained that they were “just warning people not to.” I thanked him and went on my merry way, buoyed by the knowledge that my tax quids were being spent on such a sensible exercise rather than fripperies like catching criminals.

        — Rendel Harris

        Which, of course, is particularly ironic given apparently we ‘don’t need’ the Park Lane cycle lane because we can ride through the park.

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        • Rendel Harris
          December 11, 2021 at 9:36 am
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          Steve K wrote:

          Which, of course, is particularly ironic given apparently we ‘don’t need’ the Park Lane cycle lane because we can ride through the park.

          — Steve K

          Given the RP’s well-documented negativity towards cyclists I’m quite surprised the Hyde Park Corner – Marble Arch path hasn’t been closed to cyclists yet…

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      • markieteeee
        December 11, 2021 at 12:17 pm
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        On the way to one of the Stop

        On the way to one of the Stop Killing Cyclists die-ins (on Blackfriars I think) I was stopped with another cyclist in the advanced stop zone and given advice about having lights on our bikes.  Both of us had lights on our bikes, both sets switched on.  It was good-natured chat, seemingly part of a charm offensive by the police; but, just like you being stopped for using a permitted route, we were advised about an issue that didn’t apply to us.  During the course of the conversation a lorry pulled over the advanced stop line behind us, completely blocking it for it’s intended users and a red-light jumping offence. I politely mentioned this to the officer and he said they were only speaking with cyclists this particular evening.

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        • hawkinspeter
          December 11, 2021 at 1:50 pm
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          markieteeee wrote:

          On the way to one of the Stop Killing Cyclists die-ins (on Blackfriars I think) I was stopped with another cyclist in the advanced stop zone and given advice about having lights on our bikes.  Both of us had lights on our bikes, both sets switched on.  It was good-natured chat, seemingly part of a charm offensive by the police; but, just like you being stopped for using a permitted route, we were advised about an issue that didn’t apply to us.  During the course of the conversation a lorry pulled over the advanced stop line behind us, completely blocking it for it’s intended users and a red-light jumping offence. I politely mentioned this to the officer and he said they were only speaking with cyclists this particular evening.

          — markieteeee

          That sounds like an excellent opportunity to confront the lorry driver and demand that they reverse back out of the ASL. I can just imagine the confusion of the police if they’re talking to you about one thing and then you prevent the lorry moving off because it’s blocking the ASL. Maybe couple it with a bit of “This is your job – you should be doing this” to the police.

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          • markieteeee
            December 11, 2021 at 2:43 pm
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            Yes, I wish I’d done that – I

            Yes, I wish I’d done that – I wasn’t quick enough off the mark in the moment, partly as it wasn’t in our lane. I did mention to the rozzer that he had just witnessed a breach the law by a class of vehicle responsible for many deaths on the road, while unnecessarily advising people riding safely with lights about the use of lights. 

        • Rendel Harris
          December 11, 2021 at 6:13 pm
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          A few years ago a cyclist was

          A few years ago a cyclist was killed by a left-turning HGV driver at Elephant & Castle, coming from the Walworth Road. The next day I happened to be riding through on a bus and saw there were a number of officers present, and I thought good, they’ll be watching for dangerous driving…then saw four of them converge on a cyclist who had stopped with his front wheel maybe a foot over the stop line at the lights… 

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          • markieteeee
            December 12, 2021 at 11:27 am
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            The lorry I mentioned was

            The lorry I mentioned was also left-turning at the top of Walworth Road. And also was soon after a death, hence why I was attending a SKC happening. It’s possible it was the same time, although there have been occasional charm offensives between Elephant and Camberwell with the police out in force having friendly chats with cyclists.  These wouldn’t be so bad, if they were giving sensible advice and showing cyclists that they take their safety seriously, but it’s baffling that they can ignore illegal and/or dangerous road offences on a given day because they are only focussing on chatting to cyclists. 

  7. Chris Hayes
    December 11, 2021 at 6:10 pm
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    I was fined £60 by two

    I was fined £60 by two pointless plods cross Hyde Park on a cold winter’s day a couple of years ago.  It really endears you towards them.  I was hopinh they’d found my stolen Ducati.  They hadn’t.

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  8. Hirsute
    December 12, 2021 at 9:41 pm
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    All kicking off in Bristol
    All kicking off in Bristol over a collision with cyclist and ped.
    Plenty of fact free comments.

    https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/woman-critical-condition-after-being-6337050#comments-wrapper

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    • chrisonabike
      December 12, 2021 at 11:29 pm
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      Some snarky buggers from here

      Fact free as you say. Not all one way though – there’s “whataboutthecars” too and some snarky buggers from here appear to have got there now to take the piss:

       

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      • AlsoSomniloquism
        December 13, 2021 at 12:10 am
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        Another Boo nom-de-plume? Got

        Another Boo nom-de-plume? Got some of his style to it. 

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    • AlsoSomniloquism
      December 13, 2021 at 12:08 am
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      Be interesting what the full

      Be interesting what the full details are. There is an on pavement cycle path as well as lots of pedestrian crossings so could have been on the pavement or on the road when collision occured. Nothing about cyclist being injured or doing a runner or staying on scene. I’m guessing the latter as not reported otherwise.

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    • brooksby
      December 13, 2021 at 9:42 am
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      Someone on there this morning

      Someone on there this morning has posted

      Why is someone on a bike at 10:20pm? Cycling is a hobby, not a genuine means of transportation. Stick to the Brecon Beacons and trails.

      Its a busy junction in the middle of a busy area.  At 10.30 at night it’s just as likely that the pedestrian made an assumption that there’d be no traffic and didn’t look (relied on their hearing) as that the cyclist jumped a light or was Somehow at fault.  But that won’t stop the good folks BTL on the Bristol Post…

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      • chrisonabike
        December 13, 2021 at 10:09 am
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        brooksby wrote:

        Its a busy junction in the middle of a busy area.  At 10.30 at night it’s just as likely that the pedestrian made an assumption that there’d be no traffic and didn’t look (relied on their hearing) as that the cyclist jumped a light or was Somehow at fault.  But that won’t stop the good folks BTL on the Bristol Post…

        — brooksby

        Indeed – but equally it might be a certified wrongun on a bike (gang member, drugs etc.). I get the point and that the outrage is not there for cars. Being better and looking at the bigger picture (once facts are in) this might be a) poor behaviour by cyclist b) avoidable with e.g. better street design.

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      • hawkinspeter
        December 13, 2021 at 10:11 am
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        I sometimes go through that

        I sometimes go through that junction late at night and there’s usually a few tipsy pedestrians around. It’s worse near to the Arches as they sometimes spill into the street around there and the road is narrower, but it’s easy enough to avoid them if you pay attention.

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John Emms 18 minutes ago

Wow. Last year, I resigned as Chair of the Active Travel Forum for Yate, Sodbury and Surrounding Area not only because there was little to nothing being done to make cycling safe around Yate, but I was coming under personal attack from pro-car (anti-cycling) local councillors, and everything possible was being done to keep our group (drawn from local parish councillors and members of the public with specialist knowledge) out of providing any input. After nearly being killed by someone driving a car at about double the 30 mph speed limit (quite normal around here) I have given up, and we are moving to East Yorkshire. If we were still living in Bristol, had moved to Bath (Weston area), or I had confidence that the now no longer secret "Getting About In Yate" (directed by a couple of councillors who only drive cars) will make any real difference, I would stay.

in: “If you can’t get Greens to back one cycle lane, then what are you ever going to get support for?”: Green Party councillors in Bath oppose lit, protected bike lane through park
mdavidford 28 minutes ago

If it's true*, as reported, that the driver in question asked and was told that the race had passed, that's not 'arrogant disdain for cyclists' - it's a mistake resulting from a failure of communication somewhere along the line. [* recognising that much about the events here are a fair amount of hearsay at the moment.]

in: “The price of a young athlete dying far outweighs all the other problems”: EF boss Jonathan Vaughters blasts UCI’s focus on “ridiculous little issues when they’re unable to keep traffic off the road” after Finlay Tarling’s death
Smiley775 39 minutes ago

I get your point, but Forestry England aren't allowing cyclists on all other parts of the site, as you say. They are allowing cyclists on bridleways and permissive horse routes - what they are legally obliged to do, ie the bare minimum. Forestry England sites near me also allow the bare minimum for cyclists. It is a shame that the kids can't just muck around in parts of their land - it's publicly owned (failed plan a few years back to privatise the Forestry Commission). When I was younger I enjoyed playing around on my bike all over their forests.

in: “I would rather my son broke his leg than had a broken brain staring at screens”: Young cyclists stage protest to stop diggers removing bike park jumps deemed “unsafe”
edjz 48 minutes ago

Even this article, trying to correct what I am EPAC and what is not got it wrong. You said that you have EPAC's, and Illegally modified ones, that can go over 15.5mph. but not all "eBikes" that can go over 15.5mph are modified, and modified or not they are only illegal on road, not inherently. You can, and people do, buy a powerful, unrestricted ebike for use on private land. I know children who's parents have bought them for them, they compete in e-motocross, and the bike is completely legal. If you use it on the road, that's when you're breaking the law. So it doesn't have to be modified to be not road legal, and the bike itself isn't inherently "illegal" if its motor / speed limit are not within limits, use on the road is what is illegal.

in: Police sergeant claims “under current legislation e-bikes are deemed to be motor vehicles” after targeted crackdown on illegal “nuisance” vehicles
Jaijai 1 hour ago

Even when he clarifys he gets it wrong . It's either an e bike or an electric motorbike . It's not difficult ,same as cars ,Motor car >EV ,they dont do it with cars so its willfully ignorance when it comes to e bikes

in: Police sergeant claims “under current legislation e-bikes are deemed to be motor vehicles” after targeted crackdown on illegal “nuisance” vehicles
John Emms 3 hours ago

Oh.... There are not "some forms of e-bike". e-bikes are legal, and anything that is not an e-bike under the definitions of motor vehicles, would be an electric powered motorcycle. E-bikes were being bought and used in vast numbers by older people in our area, but they have literally disappeared off our streets, not helped by a war on "e-bikes used illegally" by the S Glos councillor responsible for all things infrastructure related (including transport). As the term e-bike has been misapproriated by those in power (but should have greater knowledge of things they have power over), I think that, perhaps, there needs to be a new name and remarketing for e-bikes that are perfectly legal, and hugely useful to many in our communities (including the 30% of people in S Glos who have no access to a car whatsoever).

in: Police sergeant claims “under current legislation e-bikes are deemed to be motor vehicles” after targeted crackdown on illegal “nuisance” vehicles
GravelIsNothingNew 8 hours ago

The race organisers clearly must employ more police and official marshals. Leaving it up to spectators to tell drivers that the race has passed is not acceptable, especially in a society dominated by the culture of impatient motorists. Helmet design is another contributing but separate factor - why is it the title of this article? It’s barely mentioned.

in: “We have to look at helmets”: Riders’ union president calls for “major upgrade” on helmet safety standards after Finlay Tarling killed by van driver on race route – but admits “closing every single road is difficult”
ChrisA 9 hours ago

It is perfectly legal to buy an electrically assisted pedal cycle that has a cut-off higher than 15.5 mph or a continuous rated motor in exces of 250W or indeed has a throtle. It just isn't legal to use it in a public place. The term e-bike has no legal definition; it can mean, in popular usage, an assisted pedal cycle (legal or not) or a moped or a motorbike. Likewise e-scooter is not legally defined, although the electric scooter legislation relates to the thing without pedals that you scoot, not a motor scooter.

in: Police sergeant claims “under current legislation e-bikes are deemed to be motor vehicles” after targeted crackdown on illegal “nuisance” vehicles
GravelIsNothingNew 9 hours ago

Chapeau, Mr Vaughters. …and why can’t everyone see that this example is also reflective of the general attitude by motorists towards cyclists on all our roads? It’s the same cause, whether racing, training or cruising with the family. The need for separated cycling infrastructure (and closed roads) only stems from one issue - arrogant drivers disdain for cyclists, breaking the law and putting cyclists lives in danger. In the absence of an AI algorithm that deletes all human ego, the solution is clearly in effectively policing the road rules that protect cyclists, not the wilful denial blind spot pervading our race organisers, police, city councils and courts.

in: “The price of a young athlete dying far outweighs all the other problems”: EF boss Jonathan Vaughters blasts UCI’s focus on “ridiculous little issues when they’re unable to keep traffic off the road” after Finlay Tarling’s death
Geoff H 9 hours ago

@mctrials23 With a failed jump, you can sue whoever owns the field, who has the broken fence that "allowed" you in, the bike manufacture, the helmet maker, the knee pad maker, ...... and the list goes on! But who can you sue if you sit around eating junk all day?

in: “I would rather my son broke his leg than had a broken brain staring at screens”: Young cyclists stage protest to stop diggers removing bike park jumps deemed “unsafe”

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