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Police crack down on speeding cyclists in Melbourne with £900 fines
Police crack down on speeding cyclists in Melbourne with £900 fines (via Sunrise News) (Image Credit: via Sunrise News)

Cyclists face £900 fine for breaking 10km/h speed limit in shared zones; Controversial YouTuber Lucas Brunelle falls through ice while riding on frozen river; Council ignores anti-cycle lane fundraiser; Quick-Step go carbon neutral + more on the live blog

It’s Thursday and Dan Alexander is in the hot seat for all your live blog needs
  • by Dan Alexander
Thu, Feb 25, 2021 09:05
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SUMMARY

  • Council go ahead with cycle lane plans despite residents' fundraiser
  • Copenhagen commuting scenes
  • Controversial cycling YouTuber Lucas Brunelle falls through ice while riding over frozen river
  • Deceuninck-Quick-Step go CO2 neutral
  • British Cycling extend deal with Kalas Sportswear
  • Jonas Vingegaard wins UAE Tour stage five summit finish at Jebel Jais
  • Cycling on the box
  • Tech news: Muc-Off's new Essentials Case, Mavic offers lifetime warranty on its carbon wheels, protect your bike from bumps and scrapes
  • The sighs of relief can be heard from here...
  • What's changed?: Throwback to when Australia's mandatory helmet laws were branded "a tool of disproportionate penalties and aggressive policing"
  • Best second bike for roadies?
  • Nah, you're alright...
  • Simon Yates will go to the Giro d'Italia
  • Cyclists face £900 fine for breaking 10km/h speed limit in shared zones
Police crack down on speeding cyclists in Melbourne with £900 fines
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25 February 2021, 09:05

Council go ahead with cycle lane plans despite residents' fundraiser

Dublin bike lane fundraiser
Dublin bike lane fundraiser (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Dublin bike lane fundraiser
Dublin bike lane fundraiser (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Last week on the blog we shared the story about the Dublin cyclist who donated €5 to this GoFundMe campaign, set up to support opposition to a proposed bike lane. The cyclist left a message with his donation saying: “Buy yourselves two Flat Whites with my €5 donation. Don’t waste any more money donating. Your campaign will fail. On your bikes lads!”

This week Dublin City Council has confirmed they are pressing on with works to build the cycleway, despite the residents’ fundraiser. The GoFundMe raised €21,345, including many large donations exceeding €100. At least two people donated €1,000 to the campaign which was set up to “cover costs in relation to our planning and legal options and to continue to fight for a solution that will provide Sandymount with a cycle lane that utilises existing available off road potential.”

The Irish Times reports that traffic will be reduced to one-way from next week to facilitate the opening of a two-way cycleway later in the month, initially for a six-month trial. A judicial review of the council’s plans is due in April.

The appeal submission sent to An Bord Pleanála, the national planning appeals board, claimed the cycleway will risk greater transmission of air-borne droplets, increasing Covid transmission rates. The submission claimed this would be exacerbated because the cyclists in computer generated images of the route are “not wearing a face covering of any description”…

Dublin Council has maintained that the cycle lane doesn’t need planning permission as it is in line with the government’s advice to implement walking and cycling schemes during the pandemic.

25 February 2021, 09:05

Copenhagen commuting scenes

Imagine these people going by car.
How many lanes would they need? #Copenhagen pic.twitter.com/wkLduGrlRg

— Cycling Embassy of 🇩🇰Denmark (@CyclingEmbassy) February 25, 2021

25 February 2021, 09:05

Controversial cycling YouTuber Lucas Brunelle falls through ice while riding over frozen river

A quick look at Lucas Brunelle’s old videos and the times he’s featured on this site will tell you he isn’t your usual cycling filmmaker…Previous videos include daredevil descents, drafting lorries, holding onto vehicles and weaving in and out of traffic. So it’s probably not a massive shock to see 40 seconds into his latest upload him riding along the frozen Charles River near Boston…and falling through the ice. 

In helping Lucas get out, his riding partner also falls through. A concerned onlooker asks if they need any help before Brunelle replies “No, we’re all set thanks,” as he clambers out the freezing water, moving his bike to safety before returning for his friend…

Talking about the incident to Boston.com, Brunelle said: “I ride my bike the same way I trade stocks. It’s my nature to take high risks and high return.”

In 2014, we reported that Brunelle had been “pummelled” by a Boston taxi driver who intervened after the cyclist hit a pedestrian while jumping a red light.

25 February 2021, 09:05

Deceuninck-Quick-Step go CO2 neutral

Deceuninck Quick-Step
Deceuninck Quick-Step (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Deceuninck Quick-Step
Deceuninck Quick-Step (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Deceuninck-Quick-Step says they managed to successfully offset their carbon emissions in 2020. The team partnered with CO2Logic to calculate their carbon footprint to be 1,288 tons of CO2, equivalent to driving a car 179 times around the world, or 539 return flights between Brussels and New York. The amount of forestation needed to capture this much CO2 would be equivalent to 3,099 football pitches.

Quick-Step chose two projects to offset their footprint: one helping supply safe drinking water in Uganda and another to help reforest the area around the iconic climb of Mont Ventoux. Since its inception the Ugandan project has supplied over 1.9 million litres of clean water to 823 people, preserving 825 hectares of trees and offsetting nearly 1,300 tons of CO2.

Team CEO Patrick Lefevere spoke of the sport’s responsibility to contribute to green projects: “Cycling is a beautiful sport that has drawn us all together, but we need to look at how we can compete in races held all over the planet while still protecting the fragile environment around us.

“Since we launched the project, we have noticed a changing of the tide within cycling, with the UCI very recently announcing changes to the rules on dealing with waste during a race. This is just the start of what we hope can be a big movement within the sport and we will be look to push event further in 2021.”

25 February 2021, 09:05

British Cycling extend deal with Kalas Sportswear

British Cycling Kalas Sportswear (image credit SWPix.jpg)
British Cycling Kalas Sportswear (image credit SWPix (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
British Cycling Kalas Sportswear (image credit SWPix.jpg)
British Cycling Kalas Sportswear (image credit SWPix (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

British Cyling will continue to use pro kits made by Czech-based custom cycle wear specialists Kalas. The brand has provided the Great Britain Cycling Team kits for the last four years and will continue to do so until the end of 2024. British Cycling Performance Director Stephen Park said it is undoubtedly very positive news for their programme.

“When it comes to performance, our on-bike clothing supplier is important to the success of the Great Britain Cycling Team. To be the world’s best we must be at the cutting edge of innovation. We have developed a close working relationship with Kalas and together we have some very exciting on-bike clothing plans which will improve aerodynamic performance and help make our riders go faster on the bike,” Park explained.

25 February 2021, 09:05

Jonas Vingegaard wins UAE Tour stage five summit finish at Jebel Jais

Top-10 on Stage 5 of the UAE Tour pic.twitter.com/xJ9xFRmf4z

— the Inner Ring (@inrng) February 25, 2021

Jumbo-Visma’s Jonas Vingegaard mugged Alexey Lutsenko in the final 250m to win stage five’s summit finish at the UAE Tour. Lutsenko had been in the break all day but saw his advantage dwindle on the final climb. A late attack by the Dane bridged the gap and he easily dispatched the weary Astana rider in the sprint to the line. Tadej Pogačar beat Adam Yates to second, extending his lead in the overall. There are two more sprint stages left this week so any changes to the race lead would be a major surprise.

#UAETour 🏆 Jonas Vingegaard 🇩🇰 @JumboVismaRoad ha ganado la 5ª etapa de @uae_tour 🇦🇪

Sergio Higuita ha sido 4º.

📺 ESPN pic.twitter.com/zDEsRVTpln

— Pasión Ciclismo 🚴🏻 (@pasiociclismo) February 25, 2021

25 February 2021, 09:05

Cycling on the box

ITV4 logo.jpg
ITV4 logo (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
ITV4 logo.jpg
ITV4 logo (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

ITV will show highlights of Paris-Nice every night during the week-long stage race. The race begins on Sunday March 7 and an hour-long highlights show will be aired on ITV 4 every night at 7pm, except the opening stage which will be shown at 6pm. In an extra boost for UK-based cycling fans, both men’s and women’s Omloop Het Nieuwsblad will be shown on GCN+ and Eurosport after the broadcasters secured the rights to the big first race of the Classics campaign. Fans had been critical of the outlets when they found out the race wouldn’t be available to UK viewers. However, the issue has now been sorted and fans can watch the races on either platform.

Some of the pros have been out reconing the route this morning…

Back to our Omloop recon 😁 pic.twitter.com/guZVey2tyl

— Deceuninck-QuickStep (@deceuninck_qst) February 25, 2021

25 February 2021, 09:05

Tech news: Muc-Off's new Essentials Case, Mavic offers lifetime warranty on its carbon wheels, protect your bike from bumps and scrapes

Muc-Off Essentials Case (Image credit Muc-Off)
Muc-Off Essentials Case (Image credit Muc-Off) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Muc-Off Essentials Case (Image credit Muc-Off)
Muc-Off Essentials Case (Image credit Muc-Off) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Muc-off has a new handy storage solution for cyclists. Their Essentials Case is suitable for road, mountain biking and everything in-between and is ideal for storing your phone, tools or snacks while you ride. The outer casing is fabric lined with a water-repellent zipper. 

Mavic’s carbon wheels now come with a lifetime warranty to gve you extra peace of mind on the road. Applying to models in the 2021 range, sold since September 1st 2020, the warranty only applies to original owners who have registered their wheels with Mavic.

Want to protect your frame against all those annoying bumps and scrapes? Restrap think they have just what you need with their vinyl bicycle protector strips. Aimed at covering areas on your frame susceptible to abrasion, Restrap will send you three sheets of custom cut, easy-to-install heavy duty vinyl to keep your pride and joy looking sharp for miles to come…

25 February 2021, 09:05

The sighs of relief can be heard from here...

Mathieu van der Poel rides Kuurne-Brussel-Kuurne and not Omloop Het Nieuwsblad pic.twitter.com/sf1AxUa9uq

— José Been (@TourDeJose) February 25, 2021

This will have made more than few pro riders’ day…There’ll be no Mathieu van der Poel at Omloop Het Nieuwsblad this weekend. The Dutch champion returns to racing on Sunday at Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne after flying home from the UAE early after a positive test in his team. Alpecin-Fenix confirmed Gianni Vermeersch and Jonas Rickaert can now also return to Belgium to complete their quarantine after coming into contact with the staff member who tested positive.

25 February 2021, 09:05

What's changed?: Throwback to when Australia's mandatory helmet laws were branded "a tool of disproportionate penalties and aggressive policing"

2021 Lazer Sphere MIPS helmet.jpg
2021 Lazer Sphere MIPS helmet (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
2021 Lazer Sphere MIPS helmet.jpg
2021 Lazer Sphere MIPS helmet (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Anyone reading the story about the £900 fines for Melbourne cyclists breaking the 10km/h speed limit in shared pedestrian zones could be forgiven for thinking not much has changed over there. In 2019, researchers found that the country’s mandatory helmet laws had become an exercise in revenue gouging and were being used as a flimsy pretext for police to stop and search people.

The New South Wales fine issued when drivers exceed the speed limit by more than 20km/h still exceeds the A$344 fine for failing to wear a helmet while riding a bike…

25 February 2021, 09:05

Best second bike for roadies?

👆👇 pic.twitter.com/zULDk7vop8

— Fat Dennis 💙 Ⓥ (@FatDennis1) February 25, 2021

We’ve had our say and plenty of you have let us know your favourite second bikes…Rupert Englander made a fair point that we might have jumped the gun with this one and the question we should really be asking is what’s your favourite third, fourth and fifth bike? Have a read of our favourites and let us know yours…

My first bike was a Terry Dolan-built Cougar that finally gave up the ghost after 30-odd years. I know he doesn’t build them anymore but that earns a kind of brand-loyalty for life, so my first and second bike these days are still a Dolan!

— cramnalobretho (@STEVEBRETHERTO3) February 25, 2021

Readers' second bikes comments
Readers' second bikes comments (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Readers' second bikes comments
Readers' second bikes comments (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

 

25 February 2021, 09:05

Nah, you're alright...

Nope. Nada. Never. No how. No way… pic.twitter.com/pvTGfa6b54

— Rex Chapman🏇🏼 (@RexChapman) February 25, 2021

25 February 2021, 09:05

Simon Yates will go to the Giro d'Italia

Simon Yates (LaPresse)
Simon Yates (LaPresse) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Simon Yates (LaPresse)
Simon Yates (LaPresse) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

With yesterday’s presentation of the Giro d’Italia route the GC contenders yet to commit to a Grand Tour can pick their poison. For Simon Yates that means unfinished business at the Giro d’Italia in May. Yates led the race until Stage 19 in 2018, winning three stages, before cracking on the Colle delle Finestre and dropping from 1st to 18th in one day. 

Compared to the Tour, the Giro offers less TT kilometres in 2021, something that attracted Yates to the idea of adding it to his calendar. “The 2021 Giro route looks really nice, there’s a good mix of stages and there’s even some gravel roads thrown in for good measure.” Yates explained. “As always with the Giro, the final week looks hard and with only a small amount of time trial kilometres I think that is where the race will be decided.

“The last two or three years haven’t gone as I would have hoped with a combination of bad luck and some mistakes along the way. All I hope for is to have a clean run in 2021 without these things and that I can show myself in the best way possible.”

25 February 2021, 09:05

Cyclists face £900 fine for breaking 10km/h speed limit in shared zones

Melbourne cyclists have been left outraged after Victoria Police launched a major crackdown on speeding riders 🚴

Speedy cyclists can now be slapped with fines of up to $1652 for exceeding the 10km/h limit in certain areas. pic.twitter.com/7D9S0yZvpP

— Sunrise (@sunriseon7) February 24, 2021

Cyclists in Melbourne caught riding faster than the 10km/h (6mph) speed limit on the Southbank Promenade face fines of up to $1600 (£900). Critics have said the fines are excessive as they are double the state of Victoria’s maximum penalty for speeding drivers. Police caught 120 people on Monday and Tuesday as part of a pedestrian safety operation. Those riders were given warnings, but fines will soon come into effect.

It’s not the first time Aussie cyclists have been on the receiving end of major fines. In 2016, a Melbourne cyclist was fined $152 for passing a stationary vehicle as police said the manouvere was dangerous. In the same year, fines dished out to cyclists in New South Wales rose sixfold to $2 million…

25 February 2021, 09:05

Cycling UK seeks judicial review of council’s decision to remove pop-up cycle lane

Cycling UK seeks judicial review of council’s decision to remove pop-up cycle lane

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25 February 2021, 09:05

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37 thoughts on “Cyclists face £900 fine for breaking 10km/h speed limit in shared zones; Controversial YouTuber Lucas Brunelle falls through ice while riding on frozen river; Council ignores anti-cycle lane fundraiser; Quick-Step go carbon neutral + more on the live blog”

  1. cdamian
    February 25, 2021 at 9:41 am
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    Anotherone bites the dust

    Anotherone bites the dust https://twitter.com/WeAreCyclingUK/status/1364847745677357056

    🙁

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    • hawkinspeter
      February 25, 2021 at 9:55 am
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      Saw St Chris’tweet

      Saw St Chris’ tweet congratulating Carlton Reid on this news:

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/carltonreid/lets-rescue-britains-forgotten-1930s-protected-cyc/posts/3110867

      I’ve been bursting to tell you this good news but had a few t’s to cross and i’s to dot first.

      The formalities are now out of the way and I can proudly reveal that the project which you so kindly originally backed has received official backing from the Department for Transport. With management support provided by Sustrans I will rein back some of my freelance journalism and spend the next six months completing the historical research necessary to put flesh on the bones for the next stage to be carried out by John Dales and his crew at Urban Movement.— Carlton

      Summary of the project: In the 1930s, Britain’s Ministry of Transport commissioned the building of 500-miles of protected cycleways. Between 1934 and 1940 more than 300 miles of these innovative cycleways were actually built, usually both sides of the new “arterial roads” springing up all over the country. Some of these cycleways still exist, but they are not today understood to be cycle infrastructure: they should be rededicated. Others are buried under a couple of inches of soil: they could be excavated. 

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      • Compact Corned Beef
        February 25, 2021 at 10:06 am
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        That sounds bloody brilliant,

        That sounds bloody brilliant, if it gets off the ground. How good would it be knowing you could cycle from (say) London to Leeds using sensibly-routed ‘arterial’ cycleways?

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        • EddyBerckx
          February 25, 2021 at 10:31 am
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          its amazing how many of these

          its amazing how many of these cycleways are basically hiding in clear sight, people have basically forgotton what they were originally for (and sometimes they have been abandoned to weed/grass and so on)

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        • alansmurphy
          February 25, 2021 at 10:32 am
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          The biggest problems I can

          The biggest problems I can see with this are having to be in London or Leeds 😉

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          • pockstone
            February 25, 2021 at 10:50 am
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            Bradford’s just a short hop

            Bradford’s just a short hop from Leeds, so look on the bright side.

      • ChasP
        February 25, 2021 at 11:26 am
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        Fantastic concept but in the

        Fantastic concept but in the hands of the D of T and Sustrans…

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      • mikewood
        February 25, 2021 at 11:59 am
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        Perfect example that many

        Perfect example that many thousands will have passed without noticing. A24 North out of Dorking towards Box Hill on Ride London

         

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        • Daveyraveygravey
          February 25, 2021 at 1:23 pm
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          mikepridmorewood wrote:

          Perfect example that many thousands will have passed without noticing. A24 North out of Dorking towards Box Hill on Ride London

           

          — mikepridmorewood

          It has the usual problems of cars turning across it at various points, mud and glass and other cack that isn’t on the road…

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          • stonojnr
            February 25, 2021 at 2:49 pm
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            yes this is supposed to be

            yes this is supposed to be one in Kesgrave as well which is kind of still in use https://goo.gl/maps/8n5DascyKrNL84N88 but none of these side roads or houses were there 90 years ago, and as much as riding on the road can give you a lifetime of NMOTD candidates, its still better than riding on that path.

          • Bmblbzzz
            February 25, 2021 at 3:18 pm
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            They look like 1930s houses

            They look like 1930s houses so probably contemporaneous with the cycle track. I guess back then it would have been slightly wider, more like you see it here: https://goo.gl/maps/Lm7RAgeKoBj5B6Bb7 and equally importantly, it would have been more continuous (drives only used infrequently, parking on road rather than verge, etc).

          • stonojnr
            February 25, 2021 at 8:40 pm
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            some maybe, but Kesgrave

            some maybe, but Kesgrave certainly consisted of no more than a few dozen properties by the early 30s,the rest was all farmland. Its not like that at all anymore,  and that path isnt really that safe to ride on now because of all the driveway access & side roads across it, and that could be the exact kind of thing theyll find for alot of these old paths.

        • kil0ran
          February 25, 2021 at 3:36 pm
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          also sections on the A316

          also sections on the A316 going past Twickenham I believe

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  2. AlsoSomniloquism
    February 25, 2021 at 9:45 am
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    That Denmark tweet is great

    That Denmark tweet is great but it does show there are arseholes and MGIF’s in every form of transport as the one guy in the black shirt mounts the pavement, then slightly blocks off the crossing for Peds just to be in front when the lights changed. 

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  3. Secret_squirrel
    February 25, 2021 at 9:47 am
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    To give some context to the

    To give some context to the Dublin Cycle lane piece, Sandymount is probably one of the nicer areas of Dublin, it has a beach and the average price for a 3 bed semi/terrace is probably north of €1m, and the only people who can afford to live there either have piles of money or have been there for 30+ years through the Irish propery boom.   Defininately entitled, late middle-aged Nimby territory.

    The planned route is both useful for the Busines Park to the north and south and beautiful for weekend leisure visits alongside the beach.

     

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  4. Gkam84
    February 25, 2021 at 11:48 am
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    While it’s a start, I do not

    While it’s a start, I do not applaud “offsetting” carbon. It just means those with money can pay someone else to do it for them, rather than looking at their own footprint and trying to reduce that first. Looking into things like hybrid team cars, hydrogen team buses and trucks. Simple things like solar and wind power for their service course. Rather than just paying and effectively doing nothing.

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    • mdavidford
      February 25, 2021 at 12:03 pm
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      How does supplying clean

      How does supplying clean drinking water offset CO2 emissions anyway? I can see that it might help to avoid more emissions (by reducing the need to ship bottled water, for example), but I don’t see how it’s taking any CO2 out of the atmosphere, which is surely what offsetting ought to do?

      [Not that supplying clean drinking water isn’t a good thing in and of itself, of course.]

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      • OnYerBike
        February 25, 2021 at 2:10 pm
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        mdavidford wrote:

        I can see that it might help to avoid more emissions […] but I don’t see how it’s taking any CO2 out of the atmosphere, which is surely what offsetting ought to do?

        — mdavidford

        Unfortunately “avoided emissions” forms the majority of carbon offsetting. The basic theory is that if you can demonstrate emissions would have occurred in the absence of a given intervention, and that the money you spend on offsetting goes directly towards implementing that intervention, then you have reduced the amount of carbon in the atmosphere compared to a baseline in which the intervention didn’t happen.

        That last bit is key – as you point out the acutal amount of CO2 in the atomsophere is still higher than it was yesterday, but it’s lower than it would have been if you hadn’t offset your carbon.

        We could argue until the cows come home about whether or not offsetting is A Good Thing, but that’s probably a debate for another time/place

        Looking at the CO2Logic website, it looks like the mechanism for the clean water thing is avoiding the need to boil water using firewood.

        Most carbon offsetting projects do aim to have societal co-benefits, and I think it is normally a requirement of the carbon offsetting certification schemes to demonstrate this.

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    • HarrogateSpa
      February 25, 2021 at 12:12 pm
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      100% agree. To reduce your

      100% agree. To reduce your carbon footprint, reduce your carbon footprint. The schemes they are supporting sound very worthwhile in their own right.

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  5. Steve K
    February 25, 2021 at 12:03 pm
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    I thought the ‘falls through
    I thought the ‘falls through the ice’ story was going to be a follow on from the ‘wheels replaced with circular saw blades’ story of a few days ago.

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  6. lesterama
    February 25, 2021 at 12:09 pm
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    A glance at that Deceunink

    A glance at that Deceunink image brought back memories of Thierry Marie

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  7. yupiteru
    February 25, 2021 at 12:47 pm
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    Best way to reduce your

    Best way to reduce your carbon footprint is to simply burn off your farts as they emerge. 

    Be careful though a blow back is not a pleasant experience!

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  8. mdavidford
    February 25, 2021 at 3:05 pm
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    Quote:

    cyclists can now be slapped with fines of up to $1652

    Is that converted from CHF?

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  9. AlsoSomniloquism
    February 25, 2021 at 4:04 pm
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    Aussie Police to fine

    Aussie Police to fine cyclists for going above 6mph and charge double then drivers doing 20-30mph above speed limits. Do they charge runners if they do 8mph in the same area the cyclists. Do they have speed markings on the path to indicate the cyclists speed to them being as they don’t have a speedo themselves?

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    • eburtthebike
      February 25, 2021 at 6:30 pm
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      AlsoSomniloquism wrote:

      Aussie Police to fine cyclists for going above 6mph and charge double then drivers doing 20-30mph above speed limits. Do they charge runners if they do 8mph in the same area the cyclists. Do they have speed markings on the path to indicate the cyclists speed to them being as they don’t have a speedo themselves?

      — AlsoSomniloquism

      The Aussies hate cyclists even more than the Brits it seems, as their use of ridiculously excessive fines and illegal use of the helmet law demonstrate beyond doubt.  I read something yesterday about somewhere in America, Tacoma? repealing their helmet laws as they were being used to harrass homeless people and coloureds, so yet another reason to oppose them.

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      • Woodchipper
        February 25, 2021 at 9:05 pm
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        Not sure about your choice of

        Not sure about your choice of vocabulary here, dude .

         

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        • eburtthebike
          February 26, 2021 at 8:51 am
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          Woodchipper wrote:

          Not sure about your choice of vocabulary here, dude .

          — Woodchipper

          Neither was I, but what is the current politically correct term this week?

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          • Mungecrundle
            February 26, 2021 at 9:28 am
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            Coloured people = offensive
            “Coloured people” = offensive
            “People of colour” = current acceptable term.

            I think some effort is needed to understand why certain words or arrangements of words are offensive given historical usage, but maybe best not to mention at all, because what you say today may be used as evidence against you in the court of public opinion 25 years from now when the rules have changed.

          • Nigel Garrage
            February 26, 2021 at 9:46 am
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            People of colour can also be

            People of colour can also be considered offensive, but is considered less so than “coloured” which is also objectification. Tbh all these terms can be offensive to someone… my company decided to settle on calling white people “non-diverse” and everyone else “diverse”…

          • eburtthebike
            February 26, 2021 at 11:54 am
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            Nigel Garrage wrote:

            People of colour can also be considered offensive, but is considered less so than “coloured” which is also objectification. Tbh all these terms can be offensive to someone… my company decided to settle on calling white people “non-diverse” and everyone else “diverse”…

            — Nigel Garrage

            indecisionlaugh.  Either this is fiction, and hilarious, or true, and twice as hilarious.  Thanks.

        • Captain Badger
          February 26, 2021 at 1:16 pm
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          Woodchipper wrote:

          Not sure about your choice of vocabulary here, dude .

           

          — Woodchipper

          It may be that Burt’s vocab was not ideal, however his point is on the nail. In many jurisdictions, cycling legislation, particularly helmet law, is egregiously used to target marginalised groups. As folk with little money is a marginalised group in itself, and the membership of that group is more likely if you are from an ethnic minority, it is clear that the application of the law will be racially biased, even without deliberate profiling and targetting. Sadly this does occur to compound the issue.

          As helmets are of little (or even detrimental) value in public health terms (regardless of the “I wouldn’t be here today… yadda yadda” anecdotes) mandating of helmet use is not only counterproductive but also iniquitous and should be resisted. Even by people like me who do use them.

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          • hawkinspeter
            February 26, 2021 at 12:45 pm
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            Helmet laws seem to be used

            Helmet laws seem to be used as a tool for racist police forces so that they can oppress young people. They are nothing to do with public safety.

            https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/15/punitive-policing-doesnt-make-aboriginal-people-safer-community-solutions-can

            https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-51496206

    • Philh68
      February 25, 2021 at 11:13 pm
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      The state of Victoria is well

      The state of Victoria is well known for its overzealous policing. The joke around the country is instead of the slogan “Victoria – the garden state” it should be “Victoria the police state”. For motorists there’s a zero tolerance of speeding as well, you can be ticketed for travelling 1kmh above the posted limit. However this is a particularly egregious abuse of power even for them. Even if it’s just a “trial” for three weeks.

      The promenade could easily be separated between cyclists and pedestrians, there’s already a row of bollards which could delineate segregated use. It shows the mindset of authorities in Australia that they will resort to heavy handed policing before considering a simple allocation of space so commuter cyclists can maintain a sensible and safe average speed of 15kmh.

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      • Bungle_52
        February 26, 2021 at 8:42 am
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        1km/h over the limit is

        1km/h over the limit is speeding. It is a limit not a target. If this approach was adopted here I suspect we would have many fewer serious injuries and fatalitites on our roads. If the limits are wrong change the limits not the enforcement.

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        • AlsoSomniloquism
          February 26, 2021 at 9:52 am
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          I agree that is someone is

          I agree that is someone is over a limit, it is over. However 1km/h is well within error margin in Speedometers in cars and Speed check equipment so I’m surprised that most are not chucked in court. 

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          • eburtthebike
            February 26, 2021 at 11:56 am
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            AlsoSomniloquism wrote:

            I agree that is someone is over a limit, it is over. However 1km/h is well within error margin in Speedometers in cars and Speed check equipment so I’m surprised that most are not chucked in court. 

            — AlsoSomniloquism

            Car manufacturers err on the side of caution, and speedometers always show faster than actual, usualy by about 10%.

      • kil0ran
        February 26, 2021 at 9:53 am
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        I was surprised how

        I was surprised how unfriendly Melbourne is for walking too. Trying to cross St Kilda Road (top end of Albert Park) took something like 5 minutes of waiting for 3 pedestrian crossings, all with very short pedestrian priority green lights. Massive junction of course with the central tramway but it was just seriously intimidating. If we had a hire car it would have been quicker to drive from the hotel to the other side of the road, madness…

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@Smoggysteve "Most would happily ride on the roads and be treated with respect by drivers". But people aren't - and as far as I can see they won't be. Not until there is a lot less driving and it's slower around cyclists, and far more people driving have "skin in the game" eg. they sometimes cycle and their friends and family do also. That's what leads to the model - which is perhaps most advanced in NL - where cycling, walking and driving are all seen as separate normal transport modes. Their needs, vulnerabilities and any dangers to others are considered. And *that* leads to "mix / share when possible, separate when necessary". But "possible" is "where your 10-year old would be safe to cycle unsupervised" - so very few motor vehicles, going slow! And AFAICS everybody - even "existing cyclists" - is happy with the result. (I dunno about a few pro cyclists - but don't they tend to have training camps in different counties anyway?)

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@quiff as an Edinburgh resident I can confidently say he's speaking without moving his lips in one sense: - while as I noted in a separate comment there *is* now some real separated cycle infra, all the examples i can think of have *at least as much space* for pedestrians. The rest of the "cycle infra" is essentially similar to the situation in the rest of the UK: eg. bus lanes*, cycle lanes and shared use paths (eg. "build" infra by sticking up a sign). Edinburgh is one of the places with a moderately extensive network of former railways which have been converted to "shared use" paths (completely motor traffic few). However though shared they are not narrow by UK standards. And this is all effectively a "free extra" for all non- motorised users, not like the "sign a cycle path" where pedestrians do lose space. I think this all comes from the "popular understanding" of cycling in which ultimately cyclists are the "other". They don't fit "motor vehicle" or "pedestrian" (including wheelchairs on the very rare occasions people think about that). Thus "cyclists are cheating" in multiple ways! They shouldn't get their own space as "there aren't enough" of them. And "they can just use the road / path". But being able to *choose* "on the road" or "on the footway" (shared use path) is clearly unfair - nobody else gets to do that! BUT of course even if they did pick just one of road OR pedestrian space it's still not fair anyway because they're "too slow" for the road (don't pay "road tax" etc...) and "far too fast" for pedestrians... * Though some existing cyclists may appreciate them when there are few buses, buses and bikes are a very poor mix for several reasons.

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Rendel Harris 6 hours ago

@ktache Just go for the TNT Sports only package, £30.99 for a month. Alternatively have you considered experimenting with a VPN for a few pounds, allowing you to sign up for a free stream abroad, e.g. SBS Australia which streams the Tour live? If I didn't have a kind mate's login that's what I'd do!

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wtjs 7 hours ago

@mitsky Roger. Thanks

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ktache 7 hours ago

So, it's now the month of July and I'm going to have to pay to watch the TdF, for one month only. On a tablet unfortunately, as I didn't manage to get a laptop to rig up to the TV, grrr. Just wondering, what package will I have to fork out for? Not wanting to pay for the wrong one...

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Rendel Harris 8 hours ago

Not that it sounds like a dealbreaker given the other faults you've identified, but that cable isn't really a "proprietary" cable, four pin magnetic cables like that are quite common on bone-conducting headphones and other devices (my inexpensive smartwatch uses one) and they can be had for £4.99 on UK Amazon.

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