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Tadej Pogacar at 2024 Tour de France, stage 4 (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
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“He’s ready for a rainbow jersey”: Tadej Pogačar records 415 FTP on a 6.5 hour training ride paced by a Vespa as cyclists say “he’s taunting us mortals”; British race dropped from cycling calendar after abbey trust declines to host + more on the live blog

It’s that time of the year when you have to start packing leg warmers and a jacket for your rides… Welcome to a chilly edition of the Tuesday live blog with Adwitiya bringing you all the cycling news, reaction and more
  • by Adwitiya Pal
Tue, Sep 10, 2024 08:51
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SUMMARY

  • Even if it's on Strava, it might not have happened — some cyclists are paying 'mules' to ride activities for them
  • UCI-illegal carb-loading on time trials: Coming to a 20mph club TT ride next to you...
  • Another British race disappears from racing calendar after church decides not to host Ryedale Grasscrete Grand Prix
  • Remco Evenepoel quashes Red Bull-Bora-Hansgrohe rumours and confirms he'll stay at Soudal Quick-Step
  • Anyone looking for "Strava mules"? We've got some applicants to choose from...
  • FINAL CALL for all Zwifters: The road.cc Zwift Racing League starts tonight!
  • Campagnolo launches new second-tier Super Record S electronic groupset offering "greater affordability"... and it'll still cost you over £3,000
  • Cyclist frustrated by police inaction after being "nearly killed" by lorry driver, as rider told he was in "blind spot" and driver in company vehicle can't be traced
  • Astana Qazaqstan rider suspended after being found with illegal doping agent CERA EPO in sample, as team says they appointed him as one of the leaders and had “great expectations for him, which are now completely shattered”
  • “He’s ready for a rainbow jersey”: Tadej Pogačar records 400+ FTP on a 6.5 hour training ride paced by a Vespa, as cyclists say “he’s taunting us mortals”
Tadej Pogacar at 2024 Tour de France, stage 4 (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
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10 September 2024, 08:51

Even if it's on Strava, it might not have happened — some cyclists are paying 'mules' to ride activities for them

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In some of the most bizarre news we’ve read recently there appears to be a new trend online, with Strava users paying people to complete activities on their behalf so they can impress followers with uploads to the ride-sharing app.

> Even if it’s on Strava, it might not have happened — some cyclists are paying ‘mules’ to ride activities for them

10 September 2024, 08:51

UCI-illegal carb-loading on time trials: Coming to a 20mph club TT ride next to you...

“When you want that carb hit but need to be aero”.

 
 
 
 
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10 September 2024, 08:51

Another British race disappears from racing calendar after church decides not to host Ryedale Grasscrete Grand Prix

The already suffering road racing scene in the UK has taken another hit, as the organisers for the Ryedale Grasscrete Grand Prix have announced that the latest edition, held on 18th August, is going to be the last one for the foreseeable future.

The race, held on the grounds of Ampleforth Abbey, North Yorkshire, with two circuits extending out over the rolling Howardian Hills was the 19th edition. It was also the fifth race out of six in British Cycling’s 2024 National Road Series, the next being the Beaumont Trophy in Stamfordham this weekend on 15 September.

Bob Howden, the organiser of the Ryedale GP, announcing the news via a Facebook post, said: “Sad to report that the recent 19th edition of the Ryedale Grasscrete Grand Prix was the last one. The Ampleforth Abbey Trust has decided not to be our hosts again.

“We are however currently looking into other possibilities for Team Yorkshire to continue delivering a high level British Cycling and Lloyds Bank National Road Series Event.

“In the meantime it’s a big thank you to all the staff at Ampleforth, who over the years have helped to keep the show on the road and a shout out to North Yorkshire Council, to North Yorkshire Police and to local suppliers and providers who have never wavered in their support.”

> Latest cycling event cancelled in Richmond Park, as organiser highlights “increased focus on security and logistics of cycling events in public spaces”

Tom Williams, Thriva SRCT wins 2024 Ryedale GP (Craig Zadoroznyj/SWpix.com)
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Tom Williams, Thriva SRCT wins 2024 Ryedale GP (Craig Zadoroznyj/SWpix.com)
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Tom Williams of Thriva SRCT wins the 2024 Ryedale GP (Craig Zadoroznyj/SWpix.com)

The Ampleforth Abbey, founded in 1803, is a monastery of Benedictine monks, descending from the pre-Reformation community at Westminster Abbey, and has been the home of the Ryedale GP since its first edition in 2005.

Previous winners of the race include James Shaw, now of EF Education-EasyPost, former world and Olympic champion Nicole Cook, and Olympic track silver medallist Ollie Wood.

road.cc has reached out to the Ampleforth Abbey Trust asking for a detailed reason behind the decision to not play host to the race from next year.

> “A sad day for women’s cycling”: RideLondon Classique cancelled for 2025 as UCI “unilaterally” moves dates “without consultation or prior warning”

Unfortunately, this is far from the first race to be cancelled from the National Road Series in recent memory, with sponsor woes, logistics issues and the cost of living crisis, all playing some part in the racing scene’s downturn.

The Tour of the Reservoir was put on hold in 2023 and 2024 due to “a number of recent operational challenges”. Likewise, the series shrunk in 2023, losing the three-day Manx International stage race and the Stockton Grand Prix.

10 September 2024, 08:51

Remco Evenepoel quashes Red Bull-Bora-Hansgrohe rumours and confirms he'll stay at Soudal Quick-Step

The Vuelta is over, and that can only mean one thing: Goodbye T-Rex Quick-Step, welcome (back) Soudal Quick-Step.

My Aurchosaurian jokes aside, the Belgian team’s newly double-gilded star Remco Evenepoel has quite straightforwardly quashed any rumours you may or may not have heard about the Olympic champion’s joining of Red Bull-Bora-Hansgrohe, and indicated that he’ll continue to ride for Patrick Lefevere’s team in 2025.

After the final stage of the Tour of Britain, he was huddled around by Flemish media curious about the rider’s future, and asked about any plans of switching teams amidst interest from Red Bull, to which Evenepoel replied: “I don’t know anything about that.”

“So much always comes out without any truth to it. I have no idea what that would be about. I haven’t seen anything myself.” When asked if he will still ride for Soudal Quick-Step in 2025: Evenepoel replied: “That’s a yes.”

10 September 2024, 08:51

Anyone looking for "Strava mules"? We've got some applicants to choose from...

In today’s episode of the “weird and bizarre” in cycling, Dan reported of this new trend of Strava users paying people to complete activities on their behalf so they can impress followers with uploads to the ride-sharing app, adding another chapter to the various already astounding ways of rigging rides.

Don’t believe us, we’ve already got a few applicants for the Strava “mule” or “jockey” position. First up is Andrew, who replied on our Twitter post with: “If any Strava user wants to pay me to ride to my local cafe this afternoon, I’m available.”

If any Strava user wants to pay me to ride to my local cafe this afternoon, I’m available.

— Andrew Craig (@GoodClearTweets) September 10, 2024

We’re going to need a little more than that Andrew. How about some FTP numbers and VO2max levels, and don’t forget to share your palmares — all your KOMs and CRs, of course.

10 September 2024, 08:51

FINAL CALL for all Zwifters: The road.cc Zwift Racing League starts tonight!

Zwift Racing League 2024
Zwift Racing League 2024 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Zwift Racing League 2024
Zwift Racing League 2024 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

It’s gloomy, it’s been pouring down, it’s getting really chilly, and training outdoors is about to become a cumbersome activity… So if Zwift’s your thing, why not join our team and show us what your’re made of (the only downside, for us, is, that you’ll see what we’re made of too).

Here’s the link to enroll yourself and join our B and C team, both in the Open EMEA-W Eastern leagues, which means an 18:45 start in the UK. Dave tells me we’re looking slightly slim on the Category B riders, so if you’ve got a power output of 4W/kg or thereabouts, feel free to join us!

> Virtual racing revamped, more hardware and more roads: here are 6 things you need to know about Zwift as it turns 10

10 September 2024, 08:51

Campagnolo launches new second-tier Super Record S electronic groupset offering "greater affordability"... and it'll still cost you over £3,000

Campagnolo Super Record S Wireless Spet 2024
Campagnolo Super Record S Wireless Spet 2024 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Campagnolo Super Record S Wireless Spet 2024
Campagnolo Super Record S Wireless Spet 2024 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Italian component manufacturer Campagnolo has introduced the new Super Record S Wireless groupset, a second-tier electronic groupset that offers “greater affordability”, a wider range of gears and just 150g more weight than the flagship Super Record Wireless. Priced at over £3,000, it promises to deliver comparable performance for considerably less cash, and is still a “Special Edition” product so we’re told. 

> Campagnolo launches new second-tier Super Record S electronic groupset offering “greater affordability”… and it’ll still cost you over £3,000

10 September 2024, 08:51

Cyclist frustrated by police inaction after being "nearly killed" by lorry driver, as rider told he was in "blind spot" and driver in company vehicle can't be traced

Leicester cyclist "nearly killed" by HGV driver left frustrated by police response
Leicester cyclist "nearly killed" by HGV driver left frustrated by police response (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Leicester cyclist "nearly killed" by HGV driver left frustrated by police response
Leicester cyclist "nearly killed" by HGV driver left frustrated by police response (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

A cyclist, who narrowly avoided being hit by an HGV driver who pulled out in front of the rider at a junction on Friday evening, has expressed frustration with the police’s inaction and suggested Leicestershire Police “have shrugged it off” and claim to be unable to trace the driver of a company-branded vehicle.

> Cyclist frustrated by police inaction after being “nearly killed” by lorry driver, as rider told he was in “blind spot” and driver in company vehicle can’t be traced

10 September 2024, 08:51

Astana Qazaqstan rider suspended after being found with illegal doping agent CERA EPO in sample, as team says they appointed him as one of the leaders and had “great expectations for him, which are now completely shattered”

Not the old school throwback we’re on the lookout for, but still a throwback nonetheless. CERA EPO in 2024? Hmph, amateurs, don’t they know it’s all about clostebol and menotropin now?

CERA, or Continuous erythropoietin receptor activator, or simply referred to as EPO is an endurance-enhancing drug banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), and the latest rider to have been found with an unscrupulous sample with the aforementioned substance is Astana Qazaqstan’s rider Ilkhan Dostiyev.

The UCI Continental team said that it was informed of a possible anti-doping rule violation by the Kazakh rider, with CERA being found in a sample taken out of competition on July 30, 2024.

“Upon being notified of an Adverse Analytical Finding, the rider admitted to using the banned substance, providing explanations to the team and the UCI. Ilkhan Dostiyev was immediately suspended, and his contract was terminated,” the team added.

Dostiyev had previously secured second position in the general classification of the Tour of Rwanda in February this year, while also winning the UCI WR.2 stage-race Tour of Romania in August, just over two weeks after his sample was collected.

 
 
 
 
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Alexandr Shushemoin, Head Sports Director of Astana Qazaqstan Development Team, said: “This news came as a shock and disappointment to us. We trusted Ilkhan Dostiyev as one of the team’s leaders and we had great expectations for him, which are now completely shattered.

“After receiving the information, we promptly contacted the rider and demanded an explanation, which Dostiyev provided, also expressing full willingness to cooperate with the UCI and anti-doping authorities.

“I can state with absolute certainty that Astana Qazaqstan Development Team has no connection to this incident. Our team adheres to a ‘zero-tolerance’ policy, we work continuously with the riders and do our best to ensure that athletes understand not only the consequences of using doping but also the absurdity of attempting to violate anti-doping rules.

“Given that Dostiyev has admitted to the anti-doping violation, the rider has been suspended from racing, and his contract has been immediately terminated. We are now cooperating fully and openly with all organisations involved to clarify all the details of what happened.”

Anyone interested in a new OnlyFans channel? Too soon?

> EF Education-EasyPost rider sacked for transporting human growth hormone makes interesting career change after doping investigation… by setting up OnlyFans account

10 September 2024, 08:51

“He’s ready for a rainbow jersey”: Tadej Pogačar records 400+ FTP on a 6.5 hour training ride paced by a Vespa, as cyclists say “he’s taunting us mortals”

Morning everyone, here’s a reminder of how insane pro cyclists are… and also why (most of) you and I would never be pro cyclists…

Pogačar who was on a well-deserved vacation after his heroics at the Tour de France that saw him win the yellow jersey for a third time, is back on the bike and preparing for the Grand Prixes of Québec and Montreal coming up this week, before the big showdown to claim bragging rights on the rainbow jersey at the road race world championships in Zürich on 29 September.

And the Slovenian, who was also on a hiatus from social media during his two-week vacation, is back posting on Instagram, and with yesterday’s post, has broken the cardinal rule of never-post-your-numbers on the internet that most pros swear by, giving us the all-important data to crunch some numbers and find out his closely guarded functional threshold power.

His latest post on Instagram (coupled with the ultimate hype song by Indian rapper Hanumankind that’s taken the world by storm) shows the 25-year-old on a 6 hour 20 minutes ride from Monaco along the French-Italian border, paced by a Vespa of all things and apparently joined for a bit by Aussie rider Michael Matthews as well. He shows his Wahoo Elemnt Roam cycling computer a couple of times in the short clip, but the real good stuff lies at the end of the video, when just for a split second, his end-of-ride is visible — most importantly, his training stress score, or TSS.

 
 
 
 
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A post shared by Tadej Pogačar (@tadejpogacar)

If you aren’t aware of this metric (I know, yet another acronymic metric that’s not going to have any real impact on my Sunday 50-mile ride but will still have me stressing for no reason), put simply, it’s a way of measuring how much stress is put on the body from a ride, with Garmin’s guide suggesting that a TSS below 150 means recovery for the ride will likely be finished by the next day, while anything between 300 to 450 will likely keep you tired for several days after the ride.

Pogačar’s TSS on the computer was 390, and now with some complex formulae developed by sports scientists, amateur cyclist who’s interested in sports physiology Ryan Rodman has thankfully already done the number crunching, and found that for 6hr 20min ride, Pogačar’s FTP would’ve been somewhere around 415W.

And if the website ProCyclingStats is to be believed, Tadej Pogačar weighs around 65kg, which would mean his Watts per kg would be around 6.5W/kg.

Yep, you read that right…

IF = NP / FTP.

0.785 = 326W / FTP

FTP = 415W.

— Ryan Rodman (@Rodman1_r2) September 10, 2024

Fans have already started speculating that that Pogačar is well on his way to stun the competition once again at the UCI Worlds, although he’s bound to face stiff competition from the likes of double-Olympic gold winner Remco Evenepoel, Biniam Girmay and current men’s champion Mathieu van der Poel.

Tadej Pogacar's cycling computer
Tadej Pogacar's cycling computer (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Tadej Pogacar's cycling computer
Tadej Pogacar's cycling computer (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Mark Collop on Twitter said: “All this says to me is that he is ready for the WC and a rainbow jersey,” while James Hilbard wrote: “I feel like the average person fails to grasp how alien/ insane these kind of numbers are.”

Meanwhile, the Instagram account Blackcyclistsnetwork commented on Pogačar’s post: “Only Pog can make the life of a pro cyclist look fun and painless,” while Alessandro Colorà, speaking for most of us, said: “I think I wouldn’t be able to keep up with you on a Vespa either.”

Former pro cyclist Alessandro Proni who last rode for UCI Professional Continental team Vini Fantini–Selle Italia in 2013 and won a Tour de Suisse stage in 2007, told Pogačar to “never put watts on the reel screen, you might have on your conscience the lives of many people”, to which another person commented: “He’s taunting us mortals”. I don’t think they’re wrong…

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  1. mitsky
    September 10, 2024 at 12:06 pm
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    Will Road CC pick up on this?

    Will Road CC pick up on this?

    “…biker crashes into pedestrian”
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/crlry1rd9w3o

    Two points:

    1) Whilst not condoning the idiot on the electrike motorcycle (or whatever it was) I think the pedestrian pulls his right arm out of his pocket and in some way holds it out which the idiot then hits.
    You can see it by slowing down the clip.

    2) The result of the impact is why I am not usually concerned about idiot cyclists on pavements. The idiots themselves are the ones most likely to be hurt.

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    • ChasP
      September 10, 2024 at 12:15 pm
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      My question is how can he be
      My question is how can he be banned from riding when it doesn’t require a licence?

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      • ROOTminus1
        September 10, 2024 at 12:22 pm
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        ChasP wrote:

        My question is how can he be banned from riding when it doesn’t require a licence?

        — ChasP

        It does require a licence, it’s a motorbike.
        It requires Licence, insurance, MOT, VED declaration (nothing to pay as an electric motorbike, but still needs to be declared), and motor vehicle use certified helmets to be worn by rider and passengers.

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        • ChasP
          September 10, 2024 at 4:09 pm
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          It said cyclist on ebike when
          It said cyclist on ebike when I first saw it, now changed to ‘biker’ much more appropriate.

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    • ROOTminus1
      September 10, 2024 at 12:24 pm
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      I’ve already submitted
      I’ve already submitted another complaint to the BBC as the headline was “Cyclist on e-bike crashes into pedestrian”. Pursuant to my last complaint, the vocabulary was misrepresentative towards cyclists as the vehicle is not an e-bike but an electric motor bike. Evidenced by appearance and the fact that the rider in question admitted to motoring offenses, not charges against the OAtPA 1861 which includes the “Wanton and furious” charge.
      It appears that has been corrected at least

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    • Oldfatgit
      September 10, 2024 at 12:28 pm
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      It certainly looks like the
      It certainly looks like the pedestrian assaults the moped rider

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      • lesterama
        September 10, 2024 at 2:51 pm
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        I don’t blame him tbh,

        I don’t blame him tbh, motorbike heading towards him at speed in a pedestrian zone

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    • Sriracha
      September 10, 2024 at 6:29 pm
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      Indeed. See
      Indeed. See
      https://road.cc/content/forum/bbc-confuses-motorcycle-e-bike-deliberately-310255

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      • mitsky
        September 11, 2024 at 8:19 am
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        Thanks.

        Thanks.
        I don’t check the main news section and it did not appear to be posted on the blog.

        Whilst I do not condone violence…

        The rider was riding at excessive speed on an area which is evidently not meant for motor vehicles.
        The rider rode towards and exceptionally close to the pedestrian, probably in an attempt to intimidate/scare him and thus feel “empowered” when it had plenty of space to pass more safely (which is debatable anyway given the speed etc).

        I’m glad the pedestrian didn’t appear to be significantly hurt by the impact, regardless of whether he intended the rider to fall off by extending his arm/hand.

        Basically, the rider was an idiot.
        He F-ed about and found out the results of its actions.

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        • Sriracha
          September 11, 2024 at 9:00 am
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          Don’t for a moment think I am
          Don’t for a moment think I am defending the motorcyclist! But I’d rather see the story portrayed truthfully – plucky pedestrian’s adroit reflexes rain karma on motorcycling yob.

          And consider this – had the motor vehicle in question had four wheels instead of two, and there was no conflation with “e-bikes” and the concomitant menace of cyclists, do you suppose more might have been made of the pedestrian’s outstretched hand “hitting the vehicle”?

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          • hawkinspeter
            September 11, 2024 at 10:46 am
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            Sriracha wrote:

            And consider this – had the motor vehicle in question had four wheels instead of two, and there was no conflation with “e-bikes” and the concomitant menace of cyclists, do you suppose more might have been made of the pedestrian’s outstretched hand “hitting the vehicle”?

            — Sriracha

            No – it wouldn’t have led to the driver falling off/over/out but could have caused injury to the pedestrian. Slapping the outside of a vehicle might sometimes lead to road rage from the driver, but it’s not considered to be assault/illegal etc.

          • anotherflat
            September 11, 2024 at 11:41 am
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            Sometimes?

            Sometimes?
            A harmless twanging of a sprung door mirror tends to lead to threats of violence/attempted GBH/assault with a motor vehicle in my experience.

            I really do strongly advise against it, a driver that has already provoked your harmless reaction by needlessly endangering you is more likely to be an unhinged sociopath who’ll then deliberately drive into you.

  2. mitsky
    September 10, 2024 at 1:36 pm
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    Is it worth asking the social

    Is it worth asking the social media team at Have I Got News For You to do better than this?
    “Cyclists are to be given AI technology that means they won’t have to stop at red lights, although they seem to be handling this quite well by themselves”

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/794529223949148/posts/8228963280505668/

    (Yes, I appreciate HIGNFY is satire. But this sort of thing is what gets cyclists abused.)

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  3. rookybiker
    September 10, 2024 at 9:46 pm
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    A friendly reminder that the

    A friendly reminder that the plural of Grand Prix is Grands Prix…

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DaveSpokes 10 minutes ago

Unfortunately its not bollocks, those very same people praise motorcyclists. The trouble is that as a group we get very touchy when anyone points the finger at our behaviour. As illustrated by every single reply to my comment. I stand by my point that if you read it properly simply says we aren't all angels and that some of our number give the Motorons ammunition. The hate towards us is completely out of order but we need to take it on the chin and start acting like responsible adults not children who get straight out of our prams when we get a bit of justified criticism.

in: Sometimes, cyclists can be a**eholes too — and it’s OK to say that
Rendel Harris 11 minutes ago

@perce Don't go mate, with our Nigel back on the scene we need our esteemed Binface more than ever!

in: Sometimes, cyclists can be a**eholes too — and it’s OK to say that
Rendel Harris 19 minutes ago

Mrs H has a commute of exactly 12.5km to work, and when she rides I ride with her morning and evening for companionship, exercise and as a mobile soigneur/bodyguard/mechanic before riding back to work from home. When she was first contemplating commuting, during the pandemic, I went scoping out various routes. The one she rides now I did, early one Sunday morning, in a shade over 23 minutes at an average speed of 32.5 km/h (I didn't jump any lights either, though I must admit they were nearly all in my favour). When I ride at weekday rush hour I'm pleased if I make it in under 40 minutes for each leg. This is almost entirely due to car traffic, in which I'm constantly getting enmeshed, yet not once has a car pulled over to let me through or waited to let me out even though I'm quite plainly the faster vehicle and it won't cost them anything to let me go first. At least fifteen minutes lost four times a day every day because car drivers don't have the courtesy to recognise that they're holding me up and pull over, literally about eight full days a year wasted. Arseholes indeed.

in: Sometimes, cyclists can be a**eholes too — and it’s OK to say that
chrisonabike 29 minutes ago

@mctrials23 if it's missing a paragraph break before that line that would make more sense. Otherwise if that sentence followed the thought from the last (the stats) logic would imply the meaning was that jurors, magistrates etc - using their greater insight from being motorists themselves - are *correctly* identifying drivers who kill other motorists as taking the mick while those who merely kill cyclists being less blameworthy. Which may be how a fraction of the public does in fact think...

in: Sometimes, cyclists can be a**eholes too — and it’s OK to say that
mctrials23 31 minutes ago

@DaveSpokes Its funny, I was on reddit the other day and someone put a video up of a horse rider in the US shouting at a cyclist that they need to stop and be more careful around horses despite the cyclist having completely stopped a good way away from the horse. I said that as a cyclist in the UK I have had nothing but positive or complete boring interactions with horse riders. About 20% are miserable and don't say a thing as I very slowly pass them and say hello but 80% are friendly and appreciative of my behaviour. Even if some were assholes I wouldn't think "fuck em all" I'm going to just fly by and not worry. Someones safety isn't something that should have anything to do with how I feel about their hobby. The idea that a subset of cyclists bad behaviour is a legitimate reason to dislike the whole is just perpetuating the idea that its OK to think like this and its not. Especially when it comes to peoples safety and make no mistake, cyclists safety and lives are 100% put at risk as a direct result of the prejudices against us that far too many people hold.

in: Sometimes, cyclists can be a**eholes too — and it’s OK to say that
mctrials23 39 minutes ago

@smallbeer thats honestly the bit that shows its not actually anything to do with cyclists behaviour. We are all tarred with the same brush despite our behaviour being utterly banal and irrelevant vs drivers constant rule breaking. I was riding down a long straight road with a traffic light gated section where they were doing road works the other day. It was probably 7am. There was no one coming in the other direction, there was absolutely no reason to stop at the red light and I have no idea if it would have even responded to me being there as plenty of lights don't. I jumped it. There was no risk, I didn't inconvenience anyone. A car stopped at the light after I had gone through and when they caught up with me they beeped at me as they passed me. I knew exactly what they were thinking and I know as sure as night follows day that that driver has never once in their life beeped their horn at another driver for doing something that had zero impact on them. Drivers hate us because were cyclists and we are fair game. Its as simple as that. If there was any logic to it, drivers would have utter contempt for other drivers.

in: Sometimes, cyclists can be a**eholes too — and it’s OK to say that
mctrials23 44 minutes ago

@mdavidford I mean, if I am holding up a couple of cars or even a single car and I can easily slow slightly to let them past after they have been behind me for a while or I know that theres scant few places to pass me for a while I will often do it. Makes little odds to me. I don't feel obliged to do it but at the same time I am generally polite in everyday life and if I can make someone elses life a little easier for almost not effect on mine I will do it. No the cyclist is not required to pull over but its common decency to do so and I would have done so. I would have let the traffic clear and then pulled out and done the same thing again if it built up again over the next few minutes. If i'm going slow enough to back up that much traffic then pulling over isn't much work and if i'm going fast then that many cars probably won't back up.

in: Sometimes, cyclists can be a**eholes too — and it’s OK to say that
mctrials23 49 minutes ago

@chrisonabike I think what he is saying is that we understand people within our own groups so when someone is actually being a twat, we can recognise that. ie. a cyclist sees another cyclist ignoring a bike lane and generally thinks "thats probably because its shit and you're better off on the road" whereas a driver thinks "fucking entitled cyclist, hes not using the cycle lane because he wants to piss me off". There are plenty of behaviours that to outsiders of an activity seem stupid but to someone inside they are perfectly logical and reasonable therefore people inside the activity are far better placed to say if someones behaviour is poor.

in: Sometimes, cyclists can be a**eholes too — and it’s OK to say that
smallbeer 51 minutes ago

@DaveSpokes 'Silently'? Really, Dave? That's bollocks and you know it. The thing is, most of us do behave respectfully on the roads and trails. We're just utterly sick of being tarred with the same brush, by the people we share the roads and trails with, as the idiots who don't. As has been said before, no-one sees a car driver driving like a tool and therefore decides all car drivers are tools. That reductive bigotry only seems to extend to cyclists for some reason, and it's got to stop. It really is that simple.

in: Sometimes, cyclists can be a**eholes too — and it’s OK to say that
ROOTminus1 1 hour ago

George, I agree with your premise in principle, but the given example does not qualify as arsehole behaviour, frustrating maybe, though that may be more the fault of the incessant Hey Duggee theme, but not over the minimum threshold of arsehole. Arsehole behaviour would be if the rider was inviting cars to overtake then swinging out and blocking the manoeuvre, or being verbal at cars being driven a respectable distance.

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