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@mdavidford Surely we have been Norman since 1066?

@mdavidford Surely we have been Norman since 1066?

@belugabob true, but doing that and persuading most parents to drive their children to school entailed a hefty sacrifice of children - and not a few parents. (Luckily that was "back then" and we probably wouldn't tolerate it now... OTOH while "fixing things" should have much smaller casualty numbers, "during the transition" it could well increase...)

Well, accommodating the motor vehicle required "transformation of streets", so we've proved that it's possible...🙄

Yet another case of planning agreements made but never fulfilled, nor checked by the LA. Developers can do what they want, it seems

Yes let's see action. The draft CWIS3 was unambitious, and I don't expect the final version to be much better. The funding for active travel is disappointing, and there is little or no political will for meaningful change. I'm in favour of making cycling to school safe by building proper cycle facilities in towns and cities for everyone - not by putting in a few metres of cycle track to a school entrance then giving up.

I personally don’t see any reason in not going straight to Byrton if you are not a Garmin or Wahoo fan, or you want a value alternative to the big two. I currently run a Bryton 420 and in 4 years of owning and using it has been fab, if I had some cash or needed to replace then I now would not hesitate to buy a Bryton again.

@Didsbury Which, of course, means we secretly want to be French.

It's unclear what is being proposed - just 20mph and traffic calming, or modal filters too?

All good and I agree with the drift but how does this actually work in an effective way? Phone use is *endemic* - because so many people simply don't see the issue with "just looked at my phone for a second" and we are all being *actively trained* to do this by the app sellers! In theory app, phone and vehicle purveyors could work together to help dissuade this, but the current system suits all and everyone can say "but we put a warning on our product and certainly don't force anyone to do anything illegal..." and point at the others. How do we change behaviour? It seems unlikely we can catch enough drivers with phones in their hands to do that (not because it's hard to spot, just having enough people to collect and process the evidence). If we sort that out we then have another constraint - making it stick. If a small fraction of those say "wasn't me, see you in court", as others note ATM the process is slow AND very expensive. Also given costs and limitations of road policing currently how would driving bans help? They're also minimally policed, and with little effective punishment?