A forum topic posted on road.cc last week that posed the question, “Know of someone who’s packed in UK road cycling due to safety concerns?” has prompted readers to share their own stories, including one who this weekend just gone sold his final road bike – one he had built himself, to boot – and who says he will ride exclusively off-road from now on, and another who described the stress brought on by “constant low-level bullying.”
The topic was begun by road.cc reader Shades, who said he had heard about a member of his cycling circle who had taken early retirement but “was really frustrated with the Covid restrictions as he has a small holiday flat in Germany and can’t pursue his various plans.
“My comment was why hadn’t he gone out on some long rides etc; then I was told he’d stopped, because he was sick of UK roads (safety), and was just going to cycle when he’s out in Germany (which he always raves about),” Shades continued.
He said he was “initially bemused,” but after reflecting on some near misses he had experienced, “I kind of sympathised.”
“The roads are like the Wild West post-lockdown”
Shades added that before starting to work from home, “a lot of my miles were commuting on the Bristol/Bath bike path and quiet urban roads, so I was probably slightly cossetted. I generally steer clear of A roads but, mid-week especially, the roads are like the Wild West post-lockdown. Apart from group rides I’ve now got front/back cameras so I could hardly criticise my mate for just being aware of his own mortality.”
His post has drawn dozens of comments from other road.cc readers sharing their own views and experiences, with some common themes emerging – as well as some differences of opinion, naturally.
Road becoming busier as lockdown eases was highlighted by several readers, although views diverged over whether that had been accompanied by driving standards generally being worse, or drivers more impatient, than before the pandemic.
Awavey was one reader who spoke about how working from home over the past year or so had given them a different experience compared to when they rode to work.
“I always found the commute hardest to cope with”
“Personally I always found the commute the hardest to cope with in the respect of safety as I was forced to use quite nasty busy urban roads, which with peak stress rush hour drivers always led to some conflict,” he said.
“So WFH allows me to explore the countryside on longer rides at nicer times, where you still get the occasional issue, but it’s not that thing where you just start stressing and dreading the ride because you know some hare-brained motorist is going to try to put you in danger.”
“Let it wash. You can’t always be on the front line all the time”
Some readers revealed their own coping mechanisms, such as TheBillder, who wrote: “I think that one way to cope is just to assume sometimes that this stuff will happen and let it wash. You can’t always be on the front line all the time.
“Some days I get furious and shout and wave,” he added. “Other days I just count the incidents or give myself a pat on the back if I spot one before it happens.”
“The constant low-level bullying is starting to take its toll”
Captain Badger revealed that he had reported a case of intimidation to the police just the previous evening, and had been discussing it with his wife, whom he said “is concerned that my usual policy of giving these idiots a mouthful is going to end with me in hospital or worse.
“She no longer rides on the road, in spite of using a bike to get around from the age of 12 till well after uni,” he continued. “She wants to ride but is literally too scared –btw, she’s hardly a shrinking violet.
“Last night’s incident was hardly the worst I’ve ever received, usual shit about get on the ‘cycle lane’, and ‘I pay tax’, with a close pass, pushed towards the gutter, and brake check,” he said, adding that “I was much more shaken up than usual, angry but also frustrated and sad.
But I’m tired,” he added. “I just want to get where I want to go without using a car, but the constant low-level bullying (and sometimes straight out intimidation, threats and attempted assault) is starting to take its toll.
“What should have been a 10-minute journey has now been an incident and an upload, and has been on my mind now for 12 hours. I don’t want to have to don a GoPro every facking ride – it’s literally less than 3 miles, under 15mins. The only reason to do so is that the level of bullying, intimidation and risk to health is significant.”
Replying to Captain Badger, HoarseMann said he’d had “a couple like this over the years … one saw me hang the bike up for six months and the other nine months. Back on it now though and cameras every ride.”
“I handed over my last road bike today – a bike I thought I’d never sell”
Another reader, kil0ran, has gone further and said he had given up riding on the road altogether because stress over what might happen meant he no longer enjoyed it.
“I realise that I’m still dealing with the trauma of the road rage attack which could easily have killed me on my 50th birthday,” he said. “Logic doesn’t come into it when you’re traumatised, and I did try the ‘just get back on the horse’ approach but it didn’t work for me.”
He said he had “handed over my last road bike today – a bike I specced, assembled, and upgraded myself, paying attention to every little thing. A bike I thought I’d never sell.
“And as the new owner wheeled it away I didn’t feel any doubt or regret. Possibly a soupçon of relief but to be honest I didn’t feel anything at all, other than the possibilities offered by the grand in my pocket – a shiny new Scottish hardtail frame arrives on Monday for me to build.”
Have you, or anyone you know, stopped riding on the road or thought about doing so? Do you plan your routes to follow quiet or traffic-free routes, or to avoid places where you are likely to experience conflict? After last year’s traffic-free roads during the first lockdown, are you finding drivers are now more aggressive than pre-pandemic? Let us know in the comments below.























62 thoughts on ““The constant low-level bullying is starting to take its toll” – road.cc readers open up on the stress of riding on Britain’s roads, with one giving it up for good”
Not deliberately, but only
Not deliberately, but only ridden 2 or 3 times this year, less than 100 miles. I normally ride at least 100 miles a week over the past 5-10 years. I want to get back out, but commuting is impossible due to how much busier the roads are now compared to pre-lockdown. I agree that constant bullying from drivers has taken it’s toll. I’ve ridden my BMX much more this year, and even done a couple of races. The 1st in 35 years
I was out on a ride today –
I was out on a ride today – for work, as it happens – and I was reflecting on how much consideration I received from passing cars. Not more than I am entitled to, but a bit more than I’m used to. But that said, I haven’t had much cause to complain. It amounts to the odd idiot, rather than continual abuse of vulnerable road users.
Just a good day? Possibly, and my mileage is down a lot for the last year or so, so maybe I just don’t get the exposure to the random idiot that comes from higher miles. So it saddens me to see the experience others have had.
The thing that I see more often is the dull-minded comments on local social media over local cycling infra initiatives. We all know what I mean: tired tropes about road tax, insurance, using the cycle lane (‘they don’t use the lanes that we put there for them…”), finger-wagging at anecdopes [sic] of ‘poor’ cycling. Hopefully a vocal minority, but by heck there’s a lot of them! And fuelled by some wilfully ignorant politicians, lawyers and others; who ought to know better and for whom the information to do so is there.
Thank you for the using of
Thank you for the using of anecdopes.
I say to people it is
I say to people it is something like 1% of drivers who are a problem – but how many do we interact with in a typical ride? Hence we are always likely to have an incident…
Definitely been worse the
Definitely been worse the last few months. Last year I made or attempted 2 video submissions to the police as a result of incidents whilst cycling. I have made 4 in the last 6 weeks, 3 on one early Sunday morning ride.
I live in the suburbs, it’s
I live in the suburbs, it’s not too far to decent country lanes. But I’ve noticed I now choose a very few routes to get there, whereas once I’d go pretty much via any route. Definitely caused by the low level and higher intimidation. And I’m more than happy to ‘have a chat’! Things have defininitly got worse during covid. I’d say the main gauge of this is the verbal abuse through open windows. Probably get a handful of those on eveery ride. Close passes obviously, deliberate ones on the up for sure.
I see two problems:
I see two problems:
Riding as a group, several members determinedly single out when a car is called: they have been harassed so much by cars, they would rather inconvenience drivers by being a nuisance of a 10 bike line, than stay in a tight group to allow cars to pass readily – not that we don’t get abused anyway.
Second, the closer to home, the worse the cars get. We cycle 70 odd miles through Warwickshire and Worcestershire with rare incidents, choosing our routes with care to avoid conflict. Then coming home you hit the school run and the wild eyed loons collecting their precious cargo (to be fair, they are pretty terrifying when you are in a car too). To get home you ride short distances on roads you’d avoid, like the local 20mph High Street (where you can actually go faster than cars due to humps but they still want to get past). That’s when you aren’t tapping on windows as they cut across bike lanes to straight line roundabouts. Aaargh!
I concur, on a typical 100
I concur, on a typical 100 miler, 90% of incidents happen in the few miles of suburbs around home. It is the prime motivator to move away as soon as the kids are schooled
I agree that the time of day
I agree that the time of day makes a huge difference. Generally my commute is fine – drivers expect cyclists to be about, make room, and I’ve only had a handful of problem passes/left hooks in 10 years.
If I leave work early early however… my god it is carmageddon. With the oblivious pensioners at lunchtime and the distracted school runners I’d now prefer to put unpaid overtime and leave after 5
I don’t currently group ride,
I don’t currently group ride, but when there’s ten of you riding, does that not stop drivers harassing you? This stuff is straight out of the Animal kingdom, you’re not going to start a fight you are unlikely to win?
I have been riding six days a
I have been riding six days a week for almost 40 years, things have without doubt deteriorated greatly over the past two to three years. I have lost count of the near misses and run ins I have had with motorists. The thing is, they don’t care, if I have a word with any of the drivers concerned, not one will apologise these days. Everyone just seems to think they are right, and I, as a cyclist am in the wrong, and they also say that I shouldn’t be there.
When i get cut off by a car I
When i get cut off by a car I tell at them I have a car too and it more expensive then yours sometime I ask for there addresses so I can drive my car to there house and cut off thee kids when they ride there bikes see how they like that. But mostly i just ride no need to get stressed. I don’t live in England
I make a lot of choices about
I make a lot of choices about where and when I cycle that I don’t need to consider with my car.
As we often observe on here, people are so inured to drivers, it’s all “cars will be cars” – death, fear, pollution, space occupied including pavements – put an e-scooter in the mix and this is shown in sharp relief – many people react with horror.
Things are OK generally cycling on my preferred routes/times. Weekday mornings are pretty good. I really don’t want to get dragged down to the level at which the drivers, I have met one or two, seem to live their lives. I tend to think that their confrontation with you is just one of a string, they lurch from one to the next, day after day, sensing nothing is wrong; behaviours and standards are learnt and I often wonder about sources and origins. It’s not pleasurable for us though, is it?
The road rules for driving are pretty quaint – in my case, the 40 minute test and then 50 years with no further state intervention if I keep my nose clean. So many rules are now seen as optional, and if you can get away without following them, then do so.
Part of my job is working with and promoting a set of rules, expectations and limits – these days, this too feels quaint. I hope the condition is temporary.
Feedback, say the police is “polarised” on the road traffic operations that they do conduct, scratching the surface, but so many drivers seem to be chancers, resenting being caught. Cycling Mikey seems to dredge-up all manner of low-lifes, grown men stuck in their junior school.
In the newspaper comment columns, the letters and comments on articles about the roads are unremitting. Wow, that annual £185 VED buys a lot of privilege in so many drivers’ minds. The “cars aren’t going anywhere” letters suggest to me some who I guess have put their driving front and centre are rattled, e.g. by e-scooters.
Southampton seems hell-bent on the removal of anything that is perceived as “holding up the traffic”. I get no answer when I say soon they will have removed everything, and still the traffic problems occur, what happens then? But then I got no answer when I was asking last autumn what the benefits to Brexit actually were. The arrival of news that Southampton has topped the league for obesity related hospital admissions was a moment of mini-karma.
I’m not brilliant with money, but the cost of things and complexity of doing things is lost on the letter writers – new hospitals, by-passes and bridges over major rivers are banded about with ease. And I definitely think construction work should be handed to Dave on the internet who could have done that job in half the time by not leaning on his shovel.
Someone must know the numbers on this – even if you catch 50 drivers speeding in an hour (as fast as you can cycle the speed gun) by the time you’ve collected said fines (say 90% collected) are you anywhere near covering the true cost, (hourly pay rates plus overheads) of mounting the exercise?
I’m getting fairly good at this now, I work with words and I know now the common patterns of argument. I doubt anyone has come away completely changed from reading my posts, but several of us at least are pushing back. I also sense the hard-working, working class /van driver-ness of it all. There isn’t scope in these people’s lives to save the planet, or do things differently. There’s always a heavy load to carry and it’s always raining. You see a pattern setting in in London – the hip cycling East vs van and Chelsea tractor driving west.
I hope kiloran enjoys his off road shenanigans; it is a wretched indictment on our times that he has been forced to let the bastards grind him down.
If I were a cyclist in
If I were a cyclist in England i park my bike inside my house and take the car The way the people police and government treats cyclist is a joke As a motorist I can do as I please because the sun was in my eyes late for work and it just a bloke on a bike excusses seem to work if those don’t work I’ll use the rear view mirror was blocking my view as he flew over my hood
Mybike wrote:
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head with this. Enforcement is lacking, and courts don’t want to punish drivers, even when they kill. I’m honestly not sure if this is a culture thing, or that politicians are loathe to build more prisons and make the penalties for laws actually reflect the harm they cause. Something needs to change though, because this isn’t sustainable.
I’m a glass half full kinda
I’m a glass half full kinda guy and feel for me at least post lockdown driving isnt any worse than pre-lockdown – albeit I’m still WFH rather than commuting to the station 3 days a week. I also believe between the proliferation of bike and dashcams together with the imperative from climate change we are slowly going to win the race.
For those like Kil0ran – who if I remember correctly is virtually a next door neighbour, and PyroTim whom I’ve ridden with in another online life, I say ride on enjoy the offroad and the BMX track, and stay in love with cycling and chillax, and let others in our fantastic fellowship take a go at the front of the peloton for a while.
Everyday cycling is on the up, and a small minority are running camera’s full time, and for every force thats failing there’s a police force thats taking our submissions seriously. For every one driver that does a poor maneoveur I usualy get 2-3 waves and indicator thanks yous on a ride. Most drivers genuinely arent arseholes and even the most arseholes are not 24/7.
Our day is just dawning – ride on!
I hope you are right, though
I hope you are right, though I thought our day was dawning 10 years ago
Between this, NMOTD and the
Between this, NMOTD and the constant barrage of cyclist deaths, it’s almost like road.cc wants to put people off cycling forever.
I’ve done about 4000km so far this year and I can count on one hand the number of bad encounters I’ve had with drivers. In fact, I think driving standards have improved a great deal with more people taking up cycling. I’ve even had encouragement from drivers when I’ve been panting up a big hill or zooming along as part of a group!
A lot of it depends on perception and the way you react to poor drivers. Cycling is a stoic activity; it constantly challenges and tests you with vertiginous climbs, ear-popping descents and, yes, some awful driving. But passing these tests without losing your cool is part and parcel of the experience, and ultimately what makes you feel magnificent after a ride. Maybe road.cc should take some time, like a week, to focus on the unmitigated joy of cycling rather than highlighting all the negative aspects.
Massively agree with this. I
Massively agree with this. I’ve flagged NMOTD as completely counter-productive in the last two reader surveys, but clearly enough people feel differently. Add to this the constant attention given to WUMs like Mr Loophole (which is exactly what he wants) and it’s no wonder there is this climate of anger and exasperation.
But then you are literally
But then you are literally saying part of being a cyclist is to just put up with bad driving,its part of the challenge to be face to face with your imminent demise if you make a small mistake, HTFU etc etc ignore the elephant in the room and we can all come back in a decade from now and all stare and wonder why the model share of cycling is still stuck at only 2%.
NMOTD is a tiny fraction of the stuff that goes on around cyclists in the UK daily, to claim it has any influence on people cycling or driving completely ignores the reality of what it’s like sometimes to ride on our roads.
Whatever my own particular hang ups on it are,this time last year when things were just coming out of the first lockdown, I saw lots of people cycling, couples young & old, families with young children, one ride I remember felt it was almost like I’d stumbled on an unofficial sportive there were that many riders about.
This year on the same routes, same weather, same time of day, I’ll be lucky to see another rider. So what’s changed ? Well the most obvious change is theres a ton more traffic on some of those roads now who are back to driving round as if they are auditioning to be the next motor racing world champion, who give no quarter or inch to anything in their way on the road.
MattKelland wrote:
Completely agree Matt – I understand that NMOTD might generate clicks and revenue, but it’s driving the false narrative that cycling is getting more dangerous, just like this article.
I also note that people who commented on the original forum thread that cycling is no more dangerous were ignored, in order to push this agenda.
Where does Matt live though?
Where does Matt live though?
I’d say it is rare on even a 10m commute to have an incident free day (reportable that is).
Here is yesterday’s gem and I only did 5m
I was about to turn right but the driver decided not to brake but just carried on oblivious to the cyclist. There was a stream of slow moving traffic coming the other way due to the cyclist and a tractor, so plenty of time to brake safely.
I was about to turn right but
I was about to turn right but the driver decided not to brake but just carried on oblivious to the cyclist
Put that photo in ‘Top Gear’ magazine (if such a thing exists- I assume it’s not only within dystopian nightmares) and the readers would view it as a normal overtake at 50 or even a bit too namby-pamby or woke: Plenty of room to cycle through that gap between the car and the kerb! The tragedy for us is the fraction of police officers who think the same thing: well, maybe a bit close but no-body was seriously injured or killed, the cyclist didn’t brake or wobble …etc NFA. Excitement builds: what appears to be Lancashire Constabulary’s first ever prosecution for non-contact close passing is imminent. Bet you can’t wait to find out what happens!
Or blame me for being too far
Or blame me for being too far over and not allowing a proper overtake !
I have mentioned this before,
I have mentioned this before, as you probably know to your cost, but I actually have the letter from the Blackpool TacOps Sgt threatening to prosecute me for forcing the hapless driver to cross the double white lines when overtaking me in a dangerous position on a blind humped bridge. Sarge then backed down and I never heard from him again.
because statistical analysis
because statistical analysis of the actual danger is cold comfort in most of these situations, I dont need to know Im less likely to die if someone only shadow boxes around my head constantly, Id still like them to stop attempting to punch me, for my own wellbeing.
Plus self evidentially anyone who says they are quitting riding on the roads, or often just finds it too stressfull, is never counted in those statistics you quote anyway.
its a mental health equation, not a how many KSIs are there equation.
the only false narrative that NMOTD provides is that it makes it seem these instances are total one offs & exceptional, when I dont think they are at all.
I had a horrible incident on
I had a horrible incident on a bend last week. I could hear an engine close behind and had an oncoming car all within a NSL and feared a dangerous overtake. As it was the car turned out to be a small fiat so the actual distance to me was not as close as I feared.
No doubt the driver thought it was ok but failed to recognise what the effect on me would be. I dread to think how someone less experienced than me would have reacted.
I’ve thought long and hard
I’ve thought long and hard about enforcement and camera use etc.
As a cyclist and potential victim the lack of enforcement used to annoy me, but that was a societal thing more than a personal thing, because I see it as a factor in other people choosing not to cycle. As a survivor of road violence it only would have benefited me in potentially seeing society punishing the agressor, rather than me having to hunt him down, smear his genitals in honey and chuck him in a wood ant pile (NB I didn’t do this). However, if I had died as a result of his aggression, who would benefit from him hopefully doing time (yeah, right)? – it’s the people left behind, not me. I’m dead and gone, it really doesn’t matter to me.
For the same reason I only briefly ran a camera. Yes, it might gather evidence to prove to my loved ones why/how I died, but I’d still be dead. Finding out why is undoubtedly important in helping those left behind with their grief but it doesn’t bring me back.
I’ve used NMOTD as therapy occasionally, because I thought it might help address my trauma – and indeed there are plenty featured where I think “Well, not much wrong with that one”. But many are far worse than what I experienced.
kil0ran wrote:
this totally, I see it almost as like group therapy somedays, it just shows you arent alone in dealing with situations like this on the road, others are going through the same experiences, which helps as it can often feel like you alone are being targetted or singled out by it, especially when others dismiss it all as not a big problem or a fuss over nothing.
Nigel Garrage wrote:
I agree we should not be putting people off cycling by overemphasising the dangers, but is important to acknowledge that there are dangers, and that it is obvious that those dangers can be reduced by improving infrastructure for cycling (for the most part we are forced to either share roads – which drivers see as being for motor vehicles – or footpaths – which pedestrians see as being for pedestrians rather than having proper dedicated cycling facilities) and by improving driver training and education (as well as properly penalising those who transgress).
We won’t bring about any change of that nature by not talking about the reasons it is needed.
In response to a recent incident, a colleague of mine suggested I needed to stop getting so frustrated by driver behaviour because it was only a minority that behaved that badly.
That is true … but it only takes one of them to kill me.
Reduce the number or poorly behaved drivers, and/or give me a safer place to ride, and the probability of meeting that one on any particular journey goes down.
“Man carries on cycling” isn
“Man carries on cycling” isn’t newsworthy. Changes in behaviour brought about by direct experience of aggressive driving is. It’s not an agenda, it’s a lived reality for me and many others. I do wonder if it’s been made worse by the lockdown nirvana road cyclists experienced in March/April/May last year – I remember doing 20-milers and not seeing a single vehicle in that time.
As with any kind of news
As with any kind of news outlet, bad news is often considered the most “newsworthy”. Mr J. Bloggs went for a bike ride and everything was fine and dandy isn’t much of a news story (unless of course it’s Mr H. Ford or some other celebrity).
I can see that NMOTD can be off-putting, but I also think there is value in highlighting how common these sorts of incidents are – indeed, from what I can tell most people will have at least one similar incident per ride. The vast majority of drivers are fine, but given how many cars are on the roads even if only 1% of drivers are bad then this means you are likely to experience bad driving on a regular basis. Acknowledging there is a problem on the roads is the first step to addressing it.
Personally, I’ve been enjoying cycling less over the past year or so, and I attribute this primarily to the loss of group rides. I do feel safer as part of a group, and the social interaction is of course nice. And no-one else really appreciates whether you’ve got your glasses inside or outside your helmet straps…
I can count on the fingers of
I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of aggressive encounters I have had with motorists THIS MORNING. 🙁
Ride a bike on the roads? My
Ride a bike on the roads? My kids and their friends are scared of WALKING to school because drivers pull onto the pavement outside their primary school without looking. The entitlement and selfishness are off the scale
My last major discussion with
My last major discussion with a motorist was after a bus ran me off the road then tried telling me I shouldn’t be on the pavement… I learned the lesson that day that you can’t teach an idiot, least of all an angry/defensive idiot. That was probably about 3 years ago now and I haven’t engaged in discussion since, I still let people know when they’ve done something wrong but I don’t bother hanging around once I’ve said my bit and the level of zen this gives is so much better than having a shouting match then spending the rest of my morning winding myself up about it
Part of why I’ve stopped is
Part of why I’ve stopped is that I find it difficult not to react. When you’re dealing with trauma it’s easy to get triggered, and each time you’re triggered it gets easier still. Eventually you end up on a knife edge where the slightest indiscretion provokes an disproportionate response, because your adrenaline is up. Of course, when cycling, you’ve already got a heady mix of adrenaline and endorphins kicking around your system.
I’ve tried counting to ten, tried shrugging it off, tried telling myself it will do no good to engage but it hasn’t worked. The road rage attack followed me yelling at a driver who’d buzzed me at what felt like 70mph on a narrow road. I’m a big lad, probably look quite intimidating, even in lycra, and think I can handle myself but that counts for nothing when you’re assaulted with a motor vehicle. It left me feeling so vulnerable and wondering what might have been, and what might have been the impact on my partner and son if it had ended differently.
And that’s why I’ve stopped, as much as I loved road cycling it’s not worth dying for. Yes, MTB is more likely to result in injury, but it’s more likely to be down to your incompetence or a squirrel than someone else attacking you just because you’re a “lycra-wearing nonce”
Understandable, I mostly only
Understandable, I mostly only cycle on the road in London nowadays but with 20mph speed limits everywhere and all that traffic caused by cyclists it feels like there may be an increased risk of an incident but way lower risk of it being fatal.
Plus mtb is kinda more fun!
I drive and motorcycle as
I drive and motorcycle as well as cycle. I have a dash cam in the car and in many years I have yet to record a single close incident or situation where I was put in any danger by another road user. Even on the motorcycle not so much as a moment of concern, though that is not used for commuting.
However, on the bicycle it can feel like a duck shoot with basic ineptitude at overtaking and occasional aggression seemingly coming out of nowhere. I carry cameras but don’t go looking for trouble or creating situations. I have learned to not interact at all with drivers, let alone get involved in shouting or gesticulation. It seems that so much as looking at someone a bit funny is reasonable grounds to get yourself run over and we have seen previously how some Police forces appear to consider a bit of swearing after a life threatening moment to be of higher public concern than road safety.
I’m posting this link again – my crime? Slapping the side of a van that was about to run me into the gutter. This shouldn’t have gone anywhere in a sane world yet you can see from some of the comments that some people feel the van driver was completely justified in his response.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLF93a5w7ko
Likewise this. My crime here? Apparently just cycling on the road is enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS1Rnwjzdl4
Your empathy is admirable but
Your empathy is admirable but borderline Stockholm Syndrome – unsurprising given the micro (and macro) aggressions we experience.
I’ve banged a fair few car and van doors in my time, suffice to say some drivers see it as if you’ve just banged their missus.
One further point on my
One further point on my offroad riding choice. Obviously trails are hooked up with roads around here so I do the occasional tarmac transition. Either it’s the 80cm bars or baggy clothes, or the mud or something else but I’ve never had anything approaching a close pass. I’ve even had drivers pull in to passing places on single track roads to let me through.
I think I’ll probably still
I think I’ll probably still commute by bike when work re-opens, but I don’t bother with outdoor fun riding anymore. Mainly because it’s not actually fun anymore. Just needlessly dangerous and saddening. I’ll stick with Zwift for training instead.
The situation on the roads isn’t going to get any better. The news media and high profile social media agitators exist to wind people up and create divisions. For some reason, “cyclists vs drivers” is a favourite, despite 98% of cyclists also driving.
It’s like setting people who breathe against people who drink water.
Agreed… I was listening to
Agreed… I was listening to a phone-in on BBC Wales the other day… the topic was “Cyclists – tell me your experiences of cycling in Wales”… I though this well-chosen as it encouraged cyclists to call in with broadly positive experiences and views, and avoided the usual ranting from drivers about red lights, road tax, two abreast etc.
I have done the same as many
I have done the same as many of your readers I too have sold both bikes like many of your readers have said they sold it because they were sick and tired of getting pushed off the road by other drivers, I also sold mine because of a sick of the state of the roads every time I went out big potholes every 10 yards the excuse from all the councils they don’t need to fix them because they’re only 40 mm in depth which is no good, chat to either cyclists on motorcycles they are all tired of bumpy roads with potholes and if you do get damaged the absolute palaver to claim it is set up just to put you off claiming, the government’s excuse is to just make sure the MOT is much harder the biggest risk to all is the state of the roads, I just got fed up and just sold up, cycling was supposed to be about looking around the great countryside instead you’re looking for the next pothole.
I often drive my daughter’s
I often drive my daughter’s Mini with L plates on (I know I should not…) and I often suffer the same MGIF and general idiocy as I do when on the bike. The difference in attitude of others when I am in our German SUV (I know I should not, but my wife likes it!) is startling.
Drivers seem hard-wired to ‘dominate’ those they see as weaker/smaller, and ‘respect’ those they see as larger/stronger, and strangely relate this to the means of transport, rather than the user (ie generally all human!)
I fear that unless we can somehow unpick this behavioural trait, there is little prospect for change.
We have a Volvo 940 estate
We have a Volvo 940 estate (slow, ponderous, huge) and a Ford Ka (nippy, tiny), used interchangeably on the school run which is 8 miles on 40/50/NSL roads. Regardless of who is driving we undoubtedly get more tailgating in the Ka, and also more people chancing it and pulling out of side roads. Likewise less likely to be allowed to filter onto the bypass in the Ka. It’s not surprising there’s such an arms race regarding vehicle size.
kil0ran wrote:
Get that too. We have a 7 seat scenic, and an I10. Guess which one gets bullied more…..
7 seater Scenic and a MX-5.
7 seater Scenic and a MX-5. It is surprising, given the obvious smallness of the boot on an MX-5, how many tailgating SUV owners appear to think they can park in it, whilst the enormous boot space in the Scenic doesn’t attract them in the same way. Maybe they like a challenge?
Luckily, as far as the Mazda is concerned,the SUVs seem to go away once corners or roundabouts are involved.
Mixed feelings about this …
Mixed feelings about this … it’s an article that makes me fearful about cycling on roads. I know it can be (and often is) dangerous but I still do it; for me the health benefits outweigh these risks at the moment. 99% of other road users are fine and it feels like (in London) things are better than they were a few years ago – maybe despite all the vocal campaigners people have actually begun to get used to bike lanes and people on bikes.
The us vs them feeling is difficult to shake off especially when an absent-minded driver can potentially cause so much damage. And I agree with other comments that something like this and the NMOTD column can be counter-productive. Maybe we, as people on bikes, should take the lead and ride with a smile, be kind, take an extra ten seconds to prevent confrontations, instead. I know that when I smilingly tell a driver they should stop looking at their phone it’s usually more successful than berating them. Life’s about compromise after all isn’t it.
Since I haven’t been quoted,
Since I haven’t been quoted, I’ll repeat my comment on that forum again here:
I think this is all too pessimistic. The statistics are very clear: cycling is less hazardous per hour than walking (marginally), and we’d all walk without a second thought. More importantly, the dangers of NOT cycling – inactivity, obesity, heart disease, cancer, dementia – are much higher than the ‘danger’ of cycling. David Rojas-Rueda’s study* estimated benefits as 77 times higher than the risks; others have since found similar results. We have an syndemic of inactivity in Britain!
I cycle on roads and have done since the 1960s. I see a few close passes, but what really strikes me is how careful and courteous most drivers are, holding back until a suitable place to overtake, often quietly without me even noticing they’re behind. In return I let drivers turn in front, sometimes pull over and let them past if there’s a safe place to do so, and always give them a wave when they pass wide. Yes there are idiots, but they’re a minority.
My hunch is the relentless pressure of YouTube ‘close pass’ videos with their aggro and hype is building up a false picture of the reality of cycling on the road. Having a camera I expect makes some of the authors feel the need to post footage just to keep their viewing numbers up, when many of the passes are normal and unremarkable.
I’m probably doomed now I’ve said this, but really, in the UK the benefits outweigh the risks by a huge factor, and we have so many quiet lanes all over the country, it’s not hard to find a nice route leading to where you want to go, and the gradual increase of segregated lanes and quiet back routes in cities helps keep cycling hugely pleasurable.
*https://www.bmj.com/content/343/bmj.d4521.short
Yes!
Yes!
All I would disagree with is your last sentence: I live in south west london and the fact I can’t get to the museums in Kensington without navigating some pretty shocking roads e.g. hammersmith gyratory, most roads in RBKC is shocking….and then of course the museums back on to the shocker that is cromwell road! it would be a great ride to take my kid with me, along the river for a bit, pop into a park,… but the infrastructure is seriously lacking
The benefits may outweigh the
The benefits may outweigh the risks, but there is no doubt that there is an increasing level of hostility and aggression shown to cyclists which makes many of us perceive the risks to be too high. In the last twelve months I’ve lost count of the number of close passes I have experienced, and I have been directly threatened by two drivers (and in neither case was it anything I had done!)
thats the whole reason i
thats the whole reason i wrote to my local paper with go pro footage, showing how awful and stupid the ”cycle lanes” in bournemouth are. Usual idiotic responses to it. The worst one was cycling beside a shared path, at 30 mph, a angry man close passes me, blocked me in at a red traffic light, then got out and got into a fight with me because i wasnt using the ”cycle lane”. At 30 mph. Let that sink in. Shared with pedestrians walking. But I wasnt using it. Also had a cop car come alongside me, with the policeman pointing left and telling me to use it. Morons, morons everywhere. Utterly stupid, but thats why every rider needs a good camera. Bloody shame, but it wont get any better in the UK. Unless they do the cycle routes properly, we will continue to get this conflict from the arrogant ones. To get away from it? I left the shit hole of bournemouth and escaped to the countryside. No cycle lanes out here to get shouted at about. Lovely people who give you space. I just went for a 12 mile hoon in the forest and had two people i waved past me, plus some donkeys and deer i shared the road with. Best way to avoid it- leave the city.
Didn’t think my post would
Didn’t think my post would generate such a debate; it just hit home that when my mate said he’d got fed up with British roads I thought, me too as well, although I’m still out there. Always think back to 20-30 years ago when I was never bothered by traffic and only wore a helmet for commuting; have the roads/drivers got worse or have I been normalised by NMOTD videos? I run cameras, only for commuting or riding solo, so the bastard who knocks me off gets caught. When I first saw e-Scooters I thought, WTF, now I love the little bastards; perfect disruptive technology and you can see the motorists are rattled as Gen Z (and below) embrace them and use them to get around. Same with LTNs. No government or official will ever say that they are anti-motorist but I wonder whether the secret agenda is that they really want to get in motorists faces using things like e-Scooters and LTNs under the banner of improving air quality for example. Here’s hoping for better equity on the roads, but it’ll take time.
There’s an eScooter trial
There’s an eScooter trial going on in my former home town of Southampton at the moment. I’m still a member of the various local FB/news groups and they’re not popular with certain people. Strangely enough, mostly the same people ranting about cyclists, LTNs, and road space being taken away from drivers. Without fail its “they’re illegal to ride on the road or pavement” – which points to Southampton CC probably doing a rubbish job of advertising the exception they’ve got for the scheme.
“The constant low-level
“The constant low-level bullying is starting to take its toll”. It’s always been dreadful: The negativity. The point scoring. The lone psychopaths.. I had to give up the up the Road.CC replies section for a couple of years…
It’s terrible that we feel so
It’s terrible that we feel so under threat, but I am forced to agree.
I’ve been riding almost exclusively off road, with only one “roadie” adventure over the last few weeks.
Having been a keen cyclist for years, I just cant take the aggression any more. I’ve been considering selling my pride and joy and that last road ride has swung it .. it’s just too dangerous, it isn’t fun anymore, there are just too many nutters out there armed with a BMW 4×4 and not afraid to use it in some pathetic display of dominance.
I will be sticking to bridle paths and other opportunities to cycle and staying away from roads as far as possible …
It shouldn’t be like this…
The ‘incident’ from today’s
The ‘incident’ from today’s ride (there is usually at least one) is as low-level as it gets. I can’t really complain to be honest, it was a pretty good pass on a straight country road, but they wound the window down to shout something incomprehesible as they went by. Caught them up at the junction where they performed a bit of an odd right turn and shouted something else incomprehesible. I have no idea why, other than the fact I was not riding in the gutter?! To be fair, had no other issues over an hour and a halfs pootle, with plenty of careful and considerate drivers.
I use a light on an ourigger
I use a light on an ourigger to keep vehicles away. It works very well. Low level bullying is exactly why it works. I don’t get any.
As you ride you worry about every vehicle coming up behind. 95% are fine but worry about every one. That creates this constant low level worry.
The outrigger just keeps then all away. No one comes too close and I get to enjoy the ride. Over the last two years I have had 2 people who stopped to suggest I am a w*****r who doesn’t pay road tax. But in a Mastermind winning style no close passes.
Is this UK? Are you able to
Is this UK? Are you able to upload a photo of your setup ?
Dick Wall wrote:
This. So many pedestrians report being scared by cyclists on the pavement (who kill on average one pedestrian a year – you’re more likely to be struck by lightning than killed by a cyclist; yet they don’t flinch when a car goes past, despite cars killing 90 times as many people ON THE PAVEMENT). Yet they don’t get it when we are scared by cars, despite the fact that car drivers kill or seriously injure hundreds – thousands – of people every year.
One only has to read the
One only has to read the hateful (and ignorant) comments left by many motorists on any Facebook post that mentions cycling. It might be a minority of drivers, but there are clearly a LOT of them – ignorant, rude and aggressive, and that behaviour all too often spills out onto the roads (presumably because they think the “likes” and supportive replies they get on FB means their views are somehow correct).
I blame the fact that (1) so few people ride bicycles (allowing them to treat cyclists as outliers, and therefore okay to be picked on/bullied), and (2) the ignorant and inflammatory tosh spouted by some celebrities (such as twats like Clarkson and “Mr Loophole”), as again the aggressive drivers think that their attitudes are correct.
The only solution I can come up with is to make EVERY learner driver spend some time out on the roads on a bicycle before they are given a licence to drive a one-tonne potentially lethal piece of machinery.
Because drivers in the Netherlands (where pretty much everyone rides a bike before they learn to drive) don’t show anything like this level of ignorance, prejudice or aggression.
(Can you tell who was treated to a “punishment pass” at speed this morning, for having the temerity to ride two-abreast on a main road at 8am when the opposite side of the carriageway was both completely clear and straight for almost a mile?)
Don’t know why I’m bothering
Don’t know why I’m bothering reply on this topic, as nothing will ever change!??…
a British rider one day winning the TDF and bringing the profile of cycling into households – NO
Olympic success will highlight cyclists to the general public, leading to more respect for cyclists – NO
cycling becoming the most popular it’s been in over 50 years, with more and more people participating and so more car driver become cyclists – NO
Nothings ever going to change. I see how the ‘other side’ think with being a petrolhead as well as a gear head. You just need to browse a few car forums to see the hate and contempt the ‘average’ driver has for cyclists every time Cyclists are mentioned.
The only way things will change IMO is if pretty much all cyclists were to carry cameras and every dangerous manoeuvre, or hostile pass, or Hate speech was know to be punished for the driver, and it made all these acts to risky to do.
or we wait for driverless cars.