A couple who decided to make a small DIY parking space for their cargo bike outside their home in Bristol have been asked by the council to either remove it themselves or have it removed by the council. The couple have lodged a complaint against Bristol City Council, pointing out that other residents parks their cars in front of homes too.
Anna and Mark Cordle recently gave up their car and switched to riding a cargo bike. Since they couldn’t store it inside their home, they said that they had no option but to store it where they used to park their car — on the road outside their home.
So, they placed two large green containers filled with soil and plants, which was heavy enough to be able to secure their bike to, and sturdy enough to withstand any bumps from nearby parked cars.
Before doing this, they had asked people in their street and two neighbouring streets to see if anyone minded. They said said there was unanimous backing, and they had even consulted with one of their local councillors.
However, Bristol Live reports that the council has sent the couple a letter informing them that enforcement action would be taken against them if they don’t remove the heavy planters from their road in Redfield.
The letter read: “Your placing of the planters on the highway is in breach of Section 149 of the Highways Act. Please remove the planters urgently and ensure that they are not replaced on the highway at any time. You may also wish to consider that if any person has an accident has a result of your planters being on the highway, it will be you who will be liable for meeting any compensation claim.”
The letter then added that the council had the power to remove the planters if the Cordles didn’t.
However, the couple have said that they are not going to remove the planters, and in return have lodged a formal complaint against the council.
Anna Cordle said: “We explored all the options for how we could store it securely – but we live in a terrace, with no front garden to speak of. The only option for us was to park the bike – our car replacement – where we used to park the car, on the road.
“For security and insurance, we needed to get something heavy and secure to lock it to, so we placed bike planters in the road to lock the bike to.”
She added: “We sought out ways we could seek permission for what we were doing – but there were none. We consulted with our neighbours, those who would have most claim to be affected, and received a positive response, so went ahead. It has been transformative to our ability to get around without adding to Bristol’s poor air quality and carbon emissions.”
“After more than a year of them being in the road with nothing but positive responses, the council are now siding with anonymous complaints that the planters are an obstruction/danger on the highway and have sent us a letter telling us to remove them and threatening further enforcement action.
“Without them, we would have no way of storing our cargo bike without causing far greater obstruction to the pavement (locking it to lampposts or in front of our house). We would probably need to get a car,” she added.
The Cordles mentioned that their situation highlights how the law, and the council’s interpretation of it, favours car ownership over people who cycle.
Mark Cordle said: “We are saying no, we will not remove them. They do not obstruct free passage on the highway, and we deny that they are any more a danger than other street infrastructure. We want them to stay.
“Our street wants them to stay. It’s better for all of the council’s objectives, for all of Bristol’s residents, for the climate and for air quality, that it stays.”
> Bike sheds are detrimental to Victorian homes, but guess what’s not?
The couple have submitted a formal complaint against the council in a bid to try to get the issue looked at in more detail, and they acknowledge that they do not own that space and can’t commandeer it for their sole use.
“We don’t like the disparity of it, and wish our neighbours could also reliably park near their homes,” said Anna Cordle. “But it is the council’s role, not ours, to facilitate that.”
She continued: “We of course don’t claim to own the road, and would be very content with council-provided infrastructure on the street – but that is not coming any time soon. It wouldn’t have to be outside our house, but it wouldn’t have made sense for us to put it in front of somebody else’s house on the street.
“Nobody owns the road, but also everybody does – not just car users. Saying cargo bike parking infrastructure needs to be dismantled to provide another space for a car to park would be telling us we can’t share this public asset if we don’t own a car.”
The reaction on social media has been divided, with cyclists questioning the legality of such an action, but some also wondering if this calls for a change in the outlook of how we perceive and use roads.
Tricky – Applaud them for travelling sustainably but ‘bagsying’ a permanent space outside their house is going ti annoy people. If you get a disabled space you have to apply and be throughly vetted – it’s not a good comparison . A fresh look at Highways legislation prob needed
— Karen White (@karenwhite03) July 12, 2023
Of course they should remove them. Surely this is no different to a car owner blocking a space outside their home with cones or bollards? They can park their BIKE legally on the public highway but can’t create a space just for them any more than anyone else can for any vehicle.
— Ross Henderson-McKillop (@rsmck) July 12, 2023
The issue is that the council doesn’t have the will, foresight or man power to support people who want to make a change. Be it secure bike storage for cargo bikes, road side car charging, bike hangers, safe infrastructure for kids to cycle.
— Gavin Wells (@xjib) July 12, 2023
Meanwhile, Bristol Cycling wrote: “The failure to provide any infrastructure for storing bikes in this city should be a cause of major embarrassment – why emphasise it? This council has decided not to develop any processes for storing anything other than a car.”
There has been no progress on any of the following despite public pressure:
1) Process for adding yourself to a hangar waiting list
2) Process for allocation of hangars
3) New hangars
4) Cargo bike storage – like in the article
5) Secure storage in Broadmead/Centre— Bristol ? Cycling (@BristolCycling) July 12, 2023
What do you think? Are DIY cargo bike parking spaces safe and if yes, should they be legal? If not, what are the alternatives?
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81 thoughts on ““The road is yours only if you own a car?”: Cyclist couple challenge council after being asked to remove DIY bike parking space from outside home”
Get a van, put bike in van.
Get a van, put bike in van. Leave van outside house indefinitely. Paint streetside of van in a graffiti style, but not nice graffiti. Anonymous complainer will soon regret their tip-off, if they even live anywhere near that street.
ah – that answers my “Are
ah – that answers my “Are there bike sheds that would fit that cargo bike”
As always – motor vehicles are the answer….
I think you can park a
I think you can park a caravan or trailer for free even in a residents parking bay. So you could get a horse box and stick an immobilser on the wheels and that would make a nice garage for the cargo bike.
Ooh, that’s nice, three modes
Ooh, that’s nice, three modes in one space!
Probably wouldn’t work as someone would no doubt convince the council that you were trying to get around SORN rules (stabling on-road nag).
If you are referring to a
If you are referring to a public roadway, trailers need to be attached to a taxed vehicle; the gubment can get antsy if you start playing funny, like dealing with people putting stuff on public roads under ASBO legislation..
Muddy Ford wrote:
How about a transit pick-up, then they can still display the planters on the load bed and lock their bike to it, everybody’s happy 😉
Authorities can dispose of an
Authorities can dispose of an abandoned vehicle immediately if either of the following applies:
it’s only fit to be destroyed
it has no number plates or tax disc (even an expired one)
What would have been
What would have been preferrable, would have been an offer from the council to install a railing outside their home to lock their bike to.
Are there bike sheds the councils could use that would fit that cargo bike in it? Can’t think how else they could prevent damage to the bike from other road users.
If it was me, I would have knocked out part of the low wall at the front of their property and installed a bike rack to lock the bike to there.
“We will also continue
“We will also continue helping individuals, businesses and communities to make more of their journeys by walking, cycling or bus though our tailored travel support and bike loans.”
Who can guess what I copied this text from?
They pretty much shot their
They pretty much shot their argument in the foot with this sentence alone.
And then there is this here…
Technically speaking the land, public roads/walkways – space outside your home providing its not your own driveway attached to your house belong to to the respective council or the government of the town/county that you reside in.
You pay for the right/privilege to use their roads or park outside your house on the street but the land/road does not belong to you.
By placing heavy planters there, that becomes your dedicated parking spot and nobody else can use it unless youre going to lift it up and place it back in your front yard then back again every time you use the cargo bike.
Local councils are often quite lazy and useless and you normally wont hear a single word out of them unless youre late with your payments or owe them money but taking the law in your own hands like this (teehee!) isnt the best step forward no matter how many times it feels like youre banging your head against a wall.
I wish them luck but their complaint is going in the recycle bin. if worst came to worst. They should have reached out to their local MP and see if they could get them to wade in on the matter, afterall its their job to serve their constituents
RoubaixCube wrote:
Other cyclists can use the planters when they’re not there. Even when they are there someone can use the planter that’s right up against the kerb. They’ve just turned a car parking space in to a cycle parking space.
This is the council’s fault for not being proactive on cycling like their climate emergency action plan claims that they are.
I take the point that people can’t just “claim” the road for themselves, but this is an advantage drivers have over cargo bike owners. You can’t just lock a cargo bike to itself and expect it to not get stolen like you can a motor vehicle. If the council wants to resolve this in a way that will save face they need to get some sort of system set up to apply for on-road cycle storage. Failing that, as others have said, spite van is the way forward. Given that most of the neighbours don’t mind, maybe a pretty spite van with planters or something to put the bike in.
A ‘spite van’? I doubt they
A ‘spite van’? I doubt they want to pay for and keep road legal a van to store their bike and there is the possibility that a vehicle that is left on a public road without being moved could be subject to a council order to be removed.
To be fair on local
To be fair on local authorities, the process of creating such infrastructure has been legally complex and very slow and expensive in staff resources, the whiners unfortunately are allowed far too much say and consideration, though strangely this appears to be very biased to favour those wishing to protect space for roadside cars and not those who wish to protect roadside trees!
I think there should be a way
I think there should be a way ahead here. Bike hangars can be used for cargo bikes if appropriate (I have seen an example of use by a trike for a person with a disability – they got half the hangar and the relevant upwrong racks were removed).
Bristol had a huge programme of proposed bike hangars, which was scuppered by cancelled Govt funding, and their first bike hangar was installed in 2015 working with a community group.
Perhaps something like:
1 – Install in a pair since they take up half a parking space each.
2 – Make sure rental generates more revenue than a CPZ parking space license for a car.
3 – Make it automatic if requesters can demonstrate that required on street car parking will be reduced by 2 cars or more.
Capital funding – what about the Society of Merchant Venturers. As it is Bristol !
Anything left on the road
Anything left on the road permanantly can be classed as an obstruction so no you cannot leave a car parked indefinetly.
Also using a van means having to tax and insure it, better option is a braked horse box, you would have to move it back/forward and/or to opposite side every now and again so as not to be classed as an obstruction, but it does not need to be taxed/insured.
applying for a cargo bike
applying for a cargo bike rack outside your home should be easier than applying for a dropped kerb for your private driveway.
a private driveway takes away space from the public and gives it to the resident but a cargo bike rack can be used by the public.
Large 1500L x 750Wmm platform
Large 1500L x 750Wmm platform.
I thought this would work
Thought this would work well. Sadly you need a skip licence (£20-£50pw) & it would probably be full of rubbish by the time you get home every day.
Looking at the area on street
Looking at the area on street view, the front yard should be big enough to fit the bike, if reversed in. Albeit you’d need the strength to lift the backend over the wall. A few houses have large motorbikes placed there already, and they could also have something fitted to lock it to.
Jippily wrote:
Wasn’t discriminatory bike parking that required physical strength to use covered by road.cc recently?
How is that pertinent to this
How is that pertinent to this matter? They are allowed to leave their bike parked on a public road..
Looks like the equivalent of
Looks like the equivalent of territorial motorists leaving cones / wheelie bins on the public street for ‘their’ parking spot.
Or locking their car when
Or locking their car when they leave it on the public highway to prevent anyone obstructed by it from rolling it out of their way! We do give motorists (including myself) preferential access at some considerable collective cost.
Ban all parking on the road
Ban all parking on the road then?
banning parking on the road
banning parking on the road would be difficult, and probably not practicable
BUT how about restricting car ownership to those who have a suitable place to store it when not in use. The obvious being a driveway or garage, but a roadside permit for the street you live in (restricted to the number that the street can safely accomodate) or a rented lockup garage, or for those in cities, a year round permit for suitable carpark or the likes. but each address should be limited to the number of cars that they can store.
Streets like theirs were
Streets like theirs were Victorian/Edwardian, built when nobody owned a car and the streets/roads were purely for getting from A to B (I know! Just imagine…). If you restricted car ownership to suitable space then you couldn’t have more than one car per household (might focus people’s minds a bit more?).
I can see a huge market for those ‘parking garages’ like they have in New York – you have to get a taxi or walk or something to go and get your car from a big private multi-storey storage facility.
Surely this is no different
Surely this is no different than using cones or similar in an attempt to reserve “your parking space” outside your house, which isn’t actually your owned property or officially reserved space.
By all means, petition the council for secure cycle parking facilities but you cannot just lay claim to a bit of the public highway for your exclusive use, regardless of how environmentally righteous your cause is.
Ask the council to install an
Ask the council to install an anchor. Similar to those used for motorbikes. This would require making part of the road ‘exclusive’ but if there were several anchors they could be used by other residents. Honestly though, I’m surprised the bike hasn’t been half inched yet. Though I’m not sure three wheelers are top of a thief’s list.
If the anchors are installed
If the anchors are installed deep enough, it could double as motorbike bay too.
Ask the council to install a
Ask the council to install a kerbside EV charging post – chain the bike to the post. This would point up the hypocrisy and asymmetry of current provision (no pun intended).
Edit – actually that’s a half-serious solution, and much harder to argue against. The charge point should, of course, cater equally to all EVs, including e-bikes and e-cargotrikes etc, and include as standard a robust anchor point (and maybe cctv?)
A moped can be stolen as
A moped can be stolen as easily as this cargo e-bike (or maybe even more easily, as it can be loaded within seconds on a passenger car) yet no motorcyclist demands to have his own private public space, so I don’t think they will get what they want.
To be honest though, with Duch level cycling infrastructure a cargo e-bike could be a family car killer, so cities will have to start thinking how to accomodate them.
cyclisto wrote:
Cars are the ultimate in private public space… I don’t see many mopeds full-stop but where I’ve noticed people tend to store them on their own property for security.
Solutions? If you don’t have stairs to overcome / you have a bit of physical strength then something like the Tern cargo bike family which are about “normal bike sized” and can stand upright. (Still may not help much if you want to carry bulky / heavy things to your front door e.g. in flats though e.g. if you need to stand the bike upright to go through doors / in a lift).
As others say, possibly a bike hangar / ark. (I like the suggestion to lock one to an EV charging point although most people won’t be amused).
After that the generational process of getting building regulations changed to mandate bike storage. Note if there is ever sufficient demand there are other, quicker ways this can be done.
Agree about the potential of the cargo bike. Sadly most UK places are a very long way from the coverage – never mind quality – of infra which would persuade most people this was viable. And the culture is still firmly “how much? On a toy?”.
Many of those front yards are
Many of those front yards are tiled over anyway. Could they apply (if necessary?) to take down their front garden wall and then fit some heavy duty locking anchors in the front yard? Wouldn’t even need a dropped kerb.
I bet if they had a small car
I bet if they had a small car trailer, they could leave that on the road and park their cargo bike on that.
Yes, they’d have to find a good way to secure it, but that’s probably easier than fighting the council.
Not sure of the legality of
Not sure of the legality of having an unregistered trailer left on a public road in the UK; it’s certainly illegal in countries like Australia, however, there’s..
Rule 250 .. parked trailers must have lights at night.
Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 2500 kg laden weight, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are:
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by.
Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
Laws RVLR reg 24 & CUR reg 82(7)
Example of Bristolian
Example of Bristolian politicking around transport:
https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/hundreds-join-anti-liveable-neighbourhood-meeting-in-bristol/
An LTN is equivalent to going back to feudal times? Seriously?
brooksby wrote:
Seems reasonable comparison. I mean in feudal times the peasants had to stay put and pay their tithes to the local knight (on his warcharger) and woe betide you if you wandered over someone else’s land.
Under the LTN / ULEZ “regime” you can’t take some cut-throughs, and you pay the local council a small fraction of your regular motoring tithe to pass through certain areas. But you can go anywhere you want, whenever you want (in your w… car) just like the local aldermen.
Actually… what’s the problem again?
Yeah, I don’t really get it. Is it just the “thin end of the wedge” / “if they even consider interfering with something that’s such an important part of our lives their end game must be to remove it and enslave us”? Is this the result of some motor industry social “black ops” akin to the invention of “jaywalking”?
Well, I for one am looking
Well, I for one am looking forward to our Liverpool Neighbourhood. The questionnaires went out ages ago, so I’m wondering why they’ve waited this long to start protesting. Obviously the only thing that it’s going to infringe is the ability to rat-run through certain areas, though it remains to be seen how the traffic is affected. In my area, the traffic is going to be forced to use the A420, Church Rd, instead of the parallel residential streets. That could be interesting as Church Rd gets congested as it’s only a single lane each way and is the main connecting road between the centre and east Bristol.
hawkinspeter wrote:
When you put it like that I can understand the outrage. I’d be hopping mad if to get from say Knowle West to Clifton I’d have to go via Bootle.
Don’t be silly.
Don’t be silly.
They just make you listen to the Beatles while you’re in the neighborhood.
momove wrote:
It’s a remix! No longer Penny Lane, it’s 9 pound streets!
https://www.bristol.gov.uk/residents/streets-travel/bristols-caz/charges-and-vehicle-checker
One of the people at the
One of the people at the meeting was panicking that the LTN would mean that fire engines couldn’t get through and she lived in a block of flats and she could die if the fire engines couldn’t get through! <clutches pearls>
It’s funny, I’m certain that we’ve heard that argument about LTNs before and it was thoroughly debunked…
Oddest thing is the presence of this group, Together Declaration, handing out anti ULEZ flyers even though Bristol council wasn’t introducing a ULEZ in East Bristol
Clicks through to https://togetherdeclaration.org/about/
Oh good grief… They’re one of those groups, and being anti ULEZ/LTN is just one of the strings to their bow.
brooksby wrote:
Has someone told them those horses have bolted? Nothing to do with the lockdown – the first under this last government (see Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act). The second by popular – if not informed – choice when we all signed up to Facebook and equipped ourselves with mobiles etc…
I’d be happy for ULEZ to be
I’d be happy for ULEZ to be extended to East Bristol.
I don’t see how emergency vehicles are going to be blocked as the changes are typically to stop through traffic and doesn’t prevent access.
I’m puzzled as to how they intend to progress as a society if they don’t want a minimum standard of healthcare (which would presumably be mandated). On the one hand, I’m fine with people having the right to choose about what goes into their bodies, but similarly, I don’t want to catch preventable, transmissable diseases getting into my body (from people that don’t want to get vaccinated).
Where do we draw the line between my rights and their rights?
I’d consider that taking part in a society is going to inhibit individual rights to a certain extent, but it’s a balancing act so that the benefit is maximised for the majority of people without being too intrusive. Unfortunately, living in cities means that diseases are very quickly spread, so it is reasonable to mandate vaccination in certain cases. On the flip side though, some people are not able to be vaccinated (e.g. immuno-compromised people), so there’s never going to be 100% take-up.
Well there’s the problem – it
Well there’s the problem – it’s the military-healthcare-industrial complex forcing free-thinking types into the pen with the other sheep. If we didn’t have a free universal healthcare provider people would have more motivation to stay healthy. Plus they’d have more choice so more independent agency etc. No doubt without a NHS monopoly the market would step in to provide a service with efficiencies driven by competition.
chrisonatrike wrote:
Well exactly. We can’t be having healthy poor people can we?
chrisonatrike wrote:
I would wager that this is one of the same groups of people who think that a fifteen minute city is exactly the same thing as a ghetto (in the 1930s European sense, not the 1970s American sense).
chrisonatrike wrote:
I really hope this is sarcasm, because I think we can all see in the USA without an NHS there is definitely not a “service with efficiencies driven by competition.”
If you really believe there will be a more effiicent service in the private sector, let me tell you about the £350m a week we can plough into the NHS if only we leave the EU.
wycombewheeler wrote:
Don’t worry – I’m sure it is.
US healthcare is terrifying: I read an interview with a couple whose child was born a couple of weeks prem and had to stay in hospital for several weeks, and they are now facing a $1M bill
brooksby wrote:
There’s all these scary stories of U.S. citizens going bankrupt for visiting a hospital, but I’m sure it’s just a misunderstanding of how it’s supposed to work.
What happens is that people pay monthly premiums to healthcare insurers and receive nothing in return. However, when they get sick, they can then pay some more and if they’re lucky the healthcare insurer won’t spend too long arguing about whether they cover the procedure. Of course, most healthcare insurance is provided by employers, so you just have to ensure that you remain employed if you want the luxury of being ill.
Also, the healthcare insurers will usually terminate the insurance after a period of time (a year?) if someone has a long-term illness, so there’s a built-in incentive to get well quickly.
hawkinspeter wrote:
Well they nearly have it right. If only (like so many other things) they imported the process from China, where the tale is that traditionally you only pay the doctor when you’re well.
Of course that probably only works if the doctor doesn’t get too rich.
chrisonatrike wrote:
I’ve heard that before, but don’t know if that’s actually how healthcare works in China. That seems a good idea as then Doctors are incentivised to use preventative medicine and to keep their patients well, but there’d be problems if Doctors get to choose which patients to treat. Also, doctors might just stop treating patients if it’s a terminal disease and they don’t expect them to ever recover.
hawkinspeter wrote:
It’s a story. Obviously for the truth you could ask someone who knows about these things – that Roulero seems to have plenty to say on that topic.
hawkinspeter wrote:
but don’t be ill too long or your emplyer will just fire you, losing your insurance coverage
Yes, because I like to be ill, so it’s nice that there’s an incentive to stop my lingering in that stage.
wycombewheeler wrote:
Well, something has to be done to stop all these sick people from eating into companies’ profits.
brooksby wrote:
Since they clearly don’t seem to be apprised of their intelligence level, surely it’s a kindness to let them know?
Just buy an old clunker of a
Just buy an old clunker of a van, park it there and use it to store the bike inside out of the weather and locked up. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/van-details/202307099450261?sort=relevance&advertising-location=at_vans&include-delivery-option=on&page=3&postcode=WC2N%205DU&supplied-price-from=0&supplied-price-to=1000&year-to=2023&fromsra
£875 + Tax + MOT + Insurance
£875 + Tax + MOT + Insurance if it wants to stay in that spot. Not every Police is as bad as Lancashire and you need all three to leave it on a public highway. If on a private drive then no extra costs, although if it is too much of an eyesore, the council could still get involved.
Klaus Schwab is very happy
Klaus Schwab is very happy and thankful for your activism and support.
Ah good old Klaus. He used to
Ah good old Klaus. He used to sell us cider from the back of his tractor at Glastonbury in the seventies. Is he still riding a bike?
Roulereo wrote:
Google says that Klaus Martin Schwab is a German engineer, economist and founder of the World Economic Forum.
Does he ride a bike?
Not that one! No, I think
Not that one! No, I think they mean that old guy who used to come out and shout at drivers when they did a U-turn in his drive or tried to park in “his” space?
Probably rides one more then
Probably rides one more then Roulero does.
There are three (our three
There are three (our three principal weapons are…no, four principal weapons) notable features of this topic:
The predictable gibberish of the usual badly retreaded PBUs
Hysterical outbursts by the largely Tory, car-worshipping, climate-change denying nutters
The principle that you can’t ‘bagsy’ permanent spaces on the public road outside your house, or anywhere else.
Try telling my neighbours
Try telling my neighbours opposite that – three cars parked on the road outside their house every day plus one on the drive in front of their garage turned into a utility room.
I see your neighbours and
I see your neighbours and raise you: my neighbours have a huge double length garage full of “stuff”, a campervan and an American pickup which sit on their drive pretty much all year round (each vehicle gets moved about once a year), while their three ‘normal’ cars are parked out on the road. And I understand that they may have another van parked in a nearby lock-up.
Why does anyone need that
Why does anyone need that many cars? The neighbour next to them also has three cars and a converted garage, so two cars parked on the road. Up until recently he had two BMW’s, a black one (which also gets moved once a year) and a white one, both with the same vanity plate. Don’t know how that can be legal but what do I know?
Try telling my neighbours
Try telling my neighbours opposite that – three cars parked on the road outside their house every day plus one on the drive in front of their garage turned into a utility room
The point is that you can’t place planters in the road, or other obstructions, to try to keep others out. Other people entitled to park in the vicinity, such as a nearby neighbour, can park there, if they ever find an unoccupied space. People like you describe will probably try to intimidate an intruder, threaten violence or criminal damage etc., but they can’t do that legally.
I take your point. My
I take your point. My neighbours would do anything they could to stop anyone using ”their” space (which extends beyond their own property by the way) They haven’t resorted to putting obstructions in the road yet but I think it’s only a matter of time. I don’t know how anyone can be so entitled
I don’t know how anyone can
I don’t know how anyone can be so entitled
I do- they’re Tory readers of the hyper-junk press who admire so-called members of the human-race like Clarkson
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Jeez, go and foam in Garstang Aldi, will ya.
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Are you not liking someone
Are you not liking someone having a different opinion to yourself?
I’m sure a infrequent poster wrote something about that today.
They should buy an old heavy
They should buy an old heavy car, park it there and lock the bike to the car.
The fact that these people
The fact that these people thought they could get away with putting those things in a public roadway is astonishing, but to think they have the right to do so and lodge a formal complaint, is unbelievable!
You are more unbelievable
You are more unbelievable
To be fair to to the council,
To be fair to to the council, they are doing exactly what they should – enforcing the laws that are in place. I have some sympathy for the people concerned as I’m in exactly the same boat – mid terrace house with no rear access (it’s not mentioned whether they have a rear alley with access to a garden/yard). So for me large cargo bikes are out – much as I’d like one – as I’d have to leave them in the street as I can’t put them in the house or their them through. Also whenever we have to bite the bullet and replace the car with an EV we’re at a disadvantage to those with driveways as we can’t install a charger so can’t avail of solar or night rate for charging. I’d estimate we get parking outside the door about 1/3 of the time.
So no, they have no right to stick planters out in the *public* road for the reasons the council lays out, but on the other hand solutions do need to be found for this and other things which are squarely in the lap of the councils
the council, they are doing
the council, they are doing exactly what they should – enforcing the laws that are in place
Amazing, radical idea. You should suggest it to the police, as they haven’t thought of it.
They could choose just not to
They could choose just not to enforce it actually. That’s what the police do against dangerous drivers.
They could choose just not to
They could choose just not to enforce it actually. That’s what the police do against dangerous drivers
Unfair to the police! In accordance with its Equality and Diversity aims, Lancashire Constabulary does not only favour dangerous drivers, but also those drivers who, through no fault of their own, have forgotten MOT, insurance and VED for 3 1/2 years
If the Council rules against
If the Council rules against them they will have to buy a van, leave it permenantly parked, and park their cargo bike in the van. Except then they’d have to pay registration & insurance of the van so, a trailer might be better.
You’d think the council could
You’d think the council could chuck in a few Sheffield stands, problem solved.
If they can do it in Kensington and Chelsea they can do it anywhere.