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Strava) (Image Credit: Matthew Clarke/Strava)

Tough day at the office for cyclist who rode 100km on a water bottle after saddle mechanical; Alexandar Richardson’s latest London to Brighton (and back)… at 40km/h; Weekend round-up + more on the live blog

It’s a new week on the live blog, join Dan Alexander as we kick things off with Monday’s round-up of everything going on in the world of cycling today
  • by Dan Alexander
Mon, Mar 25, 2024 09:04
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  • Alexandar Richardson's latest London to Brighton (and back)... at 40km/h
  • Weekend round-up: Tadej Pogačar beats the entire Volta a Catalunya peloton 4-3; COBBLED CLASSICS; "Same performance as SRAM AXS at half the price" + more
  • "He will resume training tomorrow": Pro cycling in a tweet
  • Freebikes4kids fundraiser seeks backing to continue to "take unwanted, broken and outgrown bikes... fix them and gift them to children most in need"
  • Christophe Laporte out of Tour of Flanders and Dwars door Vlaanderen, Jan Tratnik "saved" by helmet in Gent-Wevelgem crash
  • CPA riders' union asks Giro d'Italia to provide "neutral rain jackets or warmer jackets"
  • Councillors urge Tory-led council to "get its act together so people can get out of cars" after series of "failed and abandoned" cycling schemes
  • "It's not a difficult concept to grasp": Cycling fans angered by video of spectator touching Lotte Kopecky
  • The never-ending pursuit of stretching every last mile out of those tyres
  • A grand for each apostle? Pope Francis sells Dogma for £12,000
  • Mollie King's Comic Relief cycle raised £1.3 million
  • Tough day at the office for cyclist who rode 100km on a water bottle after saddle mechanical
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25 March 2024, 09:04

Alexandar Richardson's latest London to Brighton (and back)... at 40km/h

Well, 39.9km/h if you want to be really picky…

 

First, Chad Tavernia and his no saddle antics, now Alexandar Richardson and his bonkers training efforts. There’s a comfortingly familiar feel to this morning’s live blog. Richardson, the Saint Piran rider who was formerly a teammate of a certain Mathieu van der Poel (whatever happened to him?), is no stranger to logging quite ridiculously impressive training rides on Strava…

> Alexandar Richardson’s latest mind-boggling training ride — 220km at 37km/h

This one, the London to Brighton and back a regular favourite of his, almost always smashed out an incomprehensible average speed. It turns out professional cyclists are really good at cycling fast… who’d have thought it?

25 March 2024, 09:04

Weekend round-up: Tadej Pogačar beats the entire Volta a Catalunya peloton 4-3; COBBLED CLASSICS; "Same performance as SRAM AXS at half the price" + more

I hope you all enjoyed your weekend and got out on the bike at some point between all the racing action. Here’s our whistle-stop tour through everything you might have missed.

“Same performance as SRAM AXS at half the price”. Like the sound of that? That’s the claim of WheelTop about its new EDS-TX electronic groupset for road bikes. Find out more in Tech of the Week.

Wheeltop (1)
Wheeltop (1) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Wheeltop (1)
Wheeltop (1) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> “Same performance as SRAM AXS at half the price”: the new budget electronic groupsets aiming to take on the big brands + an e-bike caravan, OTT off-the-bike shoes + loads more tech news 

As mentioned earlier, it was a bumper weekend of racing action, Mads Pedersen and Lorena Wiebes taking the victories at Gent-Wevelgem. This time next week we’ll be dissecting the Tour of Flanders. A four-day weekend and the Ronde van Vlaanderen, there’s something to look forward to.

At Catalunya, Tadej Pogačar won the final two stages, taking his tally for the week to four, one more than the other 174 riders combined.

Tadej Pogačar lashes out at police motorbike rider blocking road at Volta a Catalunya (Eurosport)
Tadej Pogačar lashes out at police motorbike rider blocking road at Volta a Catalunya (Eurosport) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Tadej Pogačar lashes out at police motorbike rider blocking road at Volta a Catalunya (Eurosport)
Tadej Pogačar lashes out at police motorbike rider blocking road at Volta a Catalunya (Eurosport) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Tadej Pogačar lashes out at police motorbike rider blocking road as relentless Slovenian briefly hampered (again) by fan congestion on climb

Ryan also brought you the story of Bahrain Victorious’ response to the internet drama dug up last week that Antonio Tiberi, the rider who shot dead a cat belonging to San Marino’s former head of state, had apparently ‘liked’ a post on social media making light of the offence.

His team said he doesn’t use the account and “didn’t notice” the ‘like’.

Oh, and here’s a new bike that got an impressive review from Suvi…

2024 Mason Definition 3-22.jpg
2024 Mason Definition 3-22 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
2024 Mason Definition 3-22.jpg
2024 Mason Definition 3-22 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> REVIEW: Mason Definition 3.0

25 March 2024, 09:04

"He will resume training tomorrow": Pro cycling in a tweet

Jonas Rutsch suffered road rash and bruising during today’s crash in Gent-Wevelgem. He will resume training tomorrow.

— EF Pro Cycling (@EFprocycling) March 24, 2024

Nice to know he got the evening off at least… 

25 March 2024, 09:04

Freebikes4kids fundraiser seeks backing to continue to "take unwanted, broken and outgrown bikes... fix them and gift them to children most in need"

Free Bikes 4 Kids Charity Project (GoFundMe)
Free Bikes 4 Kids Charity Project (GoFundMe) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Free Bikes 4 Kids Charity Project (GoFundMe)
Free Bikes 4 Kids Charity Project (GoFundMe) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

[GoFundMe]

PuffaJones has set up a fundraiser to continue to support his efforts in 2024, repairing donated bikes to give to children who might otherwise not be able to enjoy the joys of having one.

“Each bike has a cost involved to repair it, I have no official funding, so your kindness is what drives the project,” he told followers on social media. “So far you have helped me rehome over 3,000 bikes in five years. Thank you for your help!”

The bikes go to children most in need, 25 schools in South Wales, as well as dozens of local charities and clubs receiving Mike’s bikes.

Check out the fundraiser here…

25 March 2024, 09:04

Christophe Laporte out of Tour of Flanders and Dwars door Vlaanderen, Jan Tratnik "saved" by helmet in Gent-Wevelgem crash

Christophe Laporte Strade Bianche 2024 (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
SWpix (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Christophe Laporte Strade Bianche 2024 (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
SWpix (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

[Zac Williams/SWpix.com]

If Wout van Aert is to win that elusive Flanders crown on Sunday, he’ll have to do it without Christophe Laporte. Visma Lease a Bike have confirmed that the Frenchman, who has continued to impress with the Dutch squad, will miss Dwars door Vlaanderen, the race he won last season, and the Tour of Flanders as he is “not sufficiently recovered from a stomach flu and a saddle sore”.

Laporte’s season began with top-10 finishes at Omloop Het Nieuwsblad, Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne and Strade Bianche, but his problems began to surface at Milan-San Remo where, in the absence of team leader Van Aert, the 31-year-old was dropped well before the Poggio and abandoned the race early.

The team confirmed he then suffered from a fever and diarrhoea later that evening and had been unable to train since. It was hoped the European champion would win the race against time to be fit for the double-header of Flanders races this week, something it has now been confirmed he has not. Teammate Jan Tratnik suffered a crash at Gent-Wevelgem, reporting “luckily no major injuries, just a lot of bruises and pain”.

“Helmet saved me,” he wrote on social media, sharing the picture below…

Jan Tratnik helmet (Twitter)
Jan Tratnik helmet (Twitter) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Jan Tratnik helmet (Twitter)
Jan Tratnik helmet (Twitter) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

[Jan Tratnik/X]

25 March 2024, 09:04

CPA riders' union asks Giro d'Italia to provide "neutral rain jackets or warmer jackets"

Derek Gee and Alex Baudin, stage 19, 2023 Giro d’Italia
Derek Gee and Alex Baudin, stage 19, 2023 Giro d’Italia (Image Credit: Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
Derek Gee and Alex Baudin, stage 19, 2023 Giro d’Italia
Derek Gee and Alex Baudin, stage 19, 2023 Giro d’Italia (Image Credit: Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

[Zac Williams/SWpix.com]

Adam Hansen, the retired pro cyclist and now president of the CPA riders’ union, has revealed that they have asked the Giro d’Italia to provide “neutral rain jackets or warmer jackets, for riders that are caught out, due to extreme weather at the Giro on difficult stages”.

While the Tour de France and Vuelta a España peloton usually only has to worry about drinking enough water and applying sun cream, the Giro’s May slot in the calendar leaves it susceptible to varied weather, especially by the time the race hits the mountains of the north.

The peloton endures another miserable day at the 2023 Giro d’Italia (Zac Williams/SWpix.com
SWpix (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
The peloton endures another miserable day at the 2023 Giro d’Italia (Zac Williams/SWpix.com
SWpix (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

[Zac Williams/SWpix.com] 

Decathlon–AG2R La Mondiale rider Larry Warbasse called Hansen’s proposal “awesome” and “such a good idea”. 

“It’s not always easy for team cars to support all their riders when the bunch is blown apart,” Hansen explained.

Anything that would help prevent a rider having to descend a mountain pass in freezing temperatures in nothing but a jersey and arm warmers has got to be positive…

25 March 2024, 09:04

Councillors urge Tory-led council to "get its act together so people can get out of cars" after series of "failed and abandoned" cycling schemes

Harrogate Station Gateway plans (North Yorkshire Council)
Harrogate Station Gateway plans (North Yorkshire Council) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Harrogate Station Gateway plans (North Yorkshire Council)
Harrogate Station Gateway plans (North Yorkshire Council) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Councillors urge Tory-led council to “get its act together so people can get out of cars” after series of “failed and abandoned” cycling schemes

25 March 2024, 09:04

"It's not a difficult concept to grasp": Cycling fans angered by video of spectator touching Lotte Kopecky

The video below from the women’s edition of Gent-Wevelgem, captured as Lotte Kopecky and Lorena Wiebes powered up the Kemmelberg, has prompted more talk about fan behaviour at races…

WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?!?

We shouldn’t tolerate this, we really shouldn’t… 🤯😡 pic.twitter.com/YIDOm18WRk

— Saar De Reu (@de_reu_saar) March 25, 2024

It was shared by Saar De Reu who wrote: “WTF is wrong with people?! We shouldn’t tolerate this, we really shouldn’t. This is NOT a one time thing, it happens all the time, only now I had images of it happening, but see stuff like this happen at least five times when I go to a race and NO the riders do not like that.”

The video has been viewed more than 230,000 times in the past eight hours and sparked plenty of comments from fans questioning the need to touch or push a rider to show your support, an act even more strongly condemned if it involves touching a female rider like this.

“It’s not a difficult concept to grasp but please DON’T TOUCH THE RIDERS!!” a cycling fan called Anna Mac added.

road.cc reviewer and contributor Charlotte Eleanor Broughton commented: “This is so awful, I can’t fathom how anyone thinks it’s ok to do this!”

For those who are interested this is the moment at normal speed. pic.twitter.com/KGj1i6xsk0

— Saar De Reu (@de_reu_saar) March 25, 2024

After Mathieu van der Poel’s win at E3 Saxo Classic on Friday, some of the discussion was similarly focused on fan behaviour, one US-based cycling fan saying the images of Belgian fans booing and giving the Dutchman the middle finger were “unreal to me”.

As an American who is envious of anyone living in close enough proximity that they can attend these races roadside, I’m shocked by the self righteousness & privileged attitude of some fans

Stepping into the road booing riders,👎&🖕towards the 🌈 jersey

It’s unreal to me 😢😤 pic.twitter.com/bclcBJmNgN

— Atlanta Rouleur Collection (@AtlantaRouleur) March 23, 2024

25 March 2024, 09:04

The never-ending pursuit of stretching every last mile out of those tyres

Probably got enough use out of this one😬 pic.twitter.com/xutUYUhUMk

— Pc @pc (@PCorfe) March 24, 2024

This is all too relatable I’m afraid to admit. One. More. Ride… 

25 March 2024, 09:04

A grand for each apostle? Pope Francis sells Dogma for £12,000

Pope Francis' Pinarello Dogma F12, gifted by Egan Bernal (image: Catawiki)
Pope Francis' Pinarello Dogma F12, gifted by Egan Bernal (image: Catawiki) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Pope Francis' Pinarello Dogma F12, gifted by Egan Bernal (image: Catawiki)
Pope Francis' Pinarello Dogma F12, gifted by Egan Bernal (image: Catawiki) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> A grand for each apostle? Pope Francis sells Dogma for £12,000

25 March 2024, 09:04

Mollie King's Comic Relief cycle raised £1.3 million

Mollie King completes 500km Comic Relief cycle, 2024 (Comic Relief)
Mollie King completes 500km Comic Relief cycle, 2024 (Comic Relief) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Mollie King completes 500km Comic Relief cycle, 2024 (Comic Relief)
Mollie King completes 500km Comic Relief cycle, 2024 (Comic Relief) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

BBC Radio 1 presenter Mollie King’s Comic Relief cycle raised more than £1.3 million in total, the BBC has revealed. She described the week, which saw her ride 500km (311 miles) from London to Hull, as “incredibly tough” but “one of the most amazing experiences of my life”. With all donations now counted, the final total stands at £1,312,558 (enough to buy the Pope’s Pinarello 109,379 times)…

> “Every single pedal hurts”: Mollie King raises over £1.1 million for Comic Relief with epic 500km London to Hull cycle – despite never riding on the road before

25 March 2024, 09:04

Tough day at the office for cyclist who rode 100km on a water bottle after saddle mechanical

Mechanicals are always a pain in the arse, but some more so than others…

Water bottle saddle (Matthew Clarke/Strava)
Strava) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Water bottle saddle (Matthew Clarke/Strava)
Strava) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Just the 100km home on a Science in Sport 750ml water bottle for poor Matthew. Maybe we’ll have to get one in for Stu to review. I’m thinking: cheap, light, easy to fit, but not the most comfortable.

One of the comments on the Strava activity (go give Matthew some well-deserved kudos) called it the “best audax bodge I’ve ever seen” and debatably a better choice than enduring 100 quad-shredding kilometres across Northumbria out the saddle. Chad Tavernia of previous live blog fame might disagree, the US rider who broke the cycling internet when he shared pictures of his saddleless Pinarello having completed 100 miles out the saddle.

Chad Tavernia 100-mile out the saddle (Image credit: Chad Tavernia/Strava)
Strava) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Chad Tavernia 100-mile out the saddle (Image credit: Chad Tavernia/Strava)
Strava) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Cue Photoshop accusations, Chad telling us he’d in fact taped over the seatpost hole to avoid getting water in his frame, and the retired police officer repeating the ride on Zwift to prove he wasn’t lying.

Chad Tavernia No Saddle Cycle Jockey
Chad Tavernia No Saddle Cycle Jockey (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Chad Tavernia No Saddle Cycle Jockey
Chad Tavernia No Saddle Cycle Jockey (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> ‘No Saddle Guy’ proves doubters wrong with virtual 100 mile ride (+ exclusive interview)

Another legend of the ‘no saddle’ genre is, of course, Wout van Aert, the Belgian winning the Benidorm round of the Cyclocross World Cup despite kicking his saddle off while remounting after a final lap crash. No time to fit a water bottle, Wout completed the course perched on the rails before giving a modified victory salute…

Wout van Aerts wins Benidorm round of the 2023/24 UCI Cyclocross World Cup (Zubiko/SWpix.com)
SWpix (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Wout van Aerts wins Benidorm round of the 2023/24 UCI Cyclocross World Cup (Zubiko/SWpix.com)
SWpix (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

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Dan was the road.cc news editor from 2022-2026. He joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan mainly wrote news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too. Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, you’ll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he’ll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he’s a bit strange like that.  

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  1. NickSprink
    March 25, 2024 at 9:34 am
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    Chapeau to the lady who beat

    Chapeau to the lady who beat me up the Patemore Lane climb in the Chilterns yesterday – on a single speed smiley

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    • Patrick9-32
      March 25, 2024 at 10:02 am
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      She only has a single speed:

      She only has a single speed: fast

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  2. Rendel Harris
    March 25, 2024 at 10:32 am
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    Why didn’t Matthew ride home

    Why didn’t Matthew ride home Froome style? No saddle required!

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  3. Hirsute
    March 25, 2024 at 2:04 pm
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    This cycle lane should be

    This cycle lane should be made wider to accommodate moving motor vehicles

    A few people have asked why I weren't in the #priorylane cycle lane. It's coz a car is. For football fans, this would otherwise be known as an "own goal".
    This chap accepted 3 penalty points and a £100 FPN. pic.twitter.com/RY0D57nEcC

    — Chapona Bike (@ChaponaBike123) March 24, 2024

     

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  4. andystow
    March 25, 2024 at 4:58 pm
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    My most worn tyre ever, this

    My most worn tyre ever, this is a Compass 32 mm. Three flats that morning on the way to work and I had to walk a couple of miles. A few wraps of heavy duty duck tape on the inside got me back home, though.

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  5. Hirsute
    March 25, 2024 at 5:08 pm
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    https://twitter.com

    A building burns in #Sevilla and firefighters cannot reach the fire. Why?
    A) Because of bike paths
    B) Because of Low Traffic Neighbourhood
    C) Due to a poorly parked e-scooter
    D) A drunk communist cyclist
    E) Godzilla
    F) Something else.
    (by @AlejandroCence2)pic.twitter.com/1WCBY1eyw1

    — Urban Cycling Institute 🚲  (@fietsprofessor) March 24, 2024

     

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    • efail
      March 25, 2024 at 7:23 pm
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      Over 30 years ago I was on a

      Over 30 years ago I was on a coach full of rugby players. We were in Edinburgh, and off to play a game before an international. Thr driver turned down a road towards the venue to find it blocked with traffic parked both sides. No problem. I wish that I had had a camera with me.

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mdavidford 33 minutes ago

Possible it's been sneakily updated since your comment (though there's no 'article updated at...' bit at the top), but it is mentioned in the current version, albeit quite deep in to the article:

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DS2025 1 hour ago

'... fragile man” subject to bouts of dizziness and vertigo.' Not sure what you have to declare to the authorities in the US regarding medical issues and driving but I do hope he has fully complied before making such a public admission, I would hate for a court to pick up on it!

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Daveyraveygravey 3 hours ago

You didn't mention the headline the Atlanta Journal chose to use..." A driver passed too close to cyclists. Now he could die in prison." Talk about car brain...

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Clem Fandango 3 hours ago

@Pub bike - kind of the point isn't it. They create demand and expectation by operating at a loss & burning through VC & hedge fund money, then when that dries up, fees go up & costs get cut (ie their gig workers get exploited even more) corners get cut and society gets to deal with the "e.bike" problem (and the contribution to the dying high street). We all know Amazon, Uber, Deliveroo et al are exploitative enterprises, and we all agree that they should treat their workers fairly and ensure laws are adhered to. But equally, we don't want to pay more than we have become used to, or wait longer for that item...... It takes all of us.

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Pub bike 3 hours ago

@Clem Fandango If the delivery companies were forced to employ the workers (e.g. by HMRC), pay them properly, and ensure the riders didn't break the law I wonder how long the companies would last?

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mdavidford 4 hours ago

I think there is an important distinction with the use of the word 'bike'. 'Bike' is typically only used to refer to motorbikes where it's already clear from context that that's what's being talked about. If you said, absent any other context, "they were riding a bike", that would generally be understood as referring to a pedal cycle. On the other hand, if you referred to a 'bike' on, say, a motorbike forum, that would be clearly understood to refer *only* to a motorbike, and *not* to a pedal cycle. By contrast, 'ebike' tends to get used either to refer only to EAPCs, or to a grouping that includes *both* electric bikes that are EAPCs *and* those that aren't (and are therefore electric motorcycles). That tends to muddy the waters and lead to people thinking that they all need to be treated the same. So it would be good practice to avoid using the term 'ebike' to refer to things that aren't EAPCs, and prefer 'emotorbike' instead, for clarity. (It might, similarly to 'bike', be fine to use 'ebike' in contexts where it's clear that you're *only* referring to emotorbikes, but I'd suggest that that is (currently) rare.)

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Can you justify your claim that, "Under UK law, the term ‘e-bike’ refers to an electrically assisted pedal cycle (EAPC)"? Because that kind of false equivalence seems to me to be the hub (sorry) of the whole problem. As far as I know, the law actually avoids 'e-bike' and instead refers to EAPCs specifically because 'e-bike' is not a clearly-defined term. In fact, like 'bike', it can mean pedal cycles to some people (including most readers of this article), and motorbikes to others. That is not the law making the two terms equivalent. So the problem is that, properly used, including in UK law, 'e-bike' is not the same as EAPC. If people, including Restore Britain, only understood that, we'd have a chance of the two main types of e-bike being properly regulated under the very different pieces of legislation that apply to each of them. And people who continue to claim the term for their specific use are just reducing the chances of that.

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