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Trek-Segafredo’s Koen de Kort has fingers amputated after off-road vehicle crash; Should robots be allowed in cycle lanes?; Police say driver behaviour is why people don’t cycle; Team GB get active campaign sponsored by Toyota + more on the live blog

With the weekend now in sight Will Bolton will be on the live blog this Thursday…
  • by Will Bolton
Thu, Jun 24, 2021 08:18
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SUMMARY

  • Road sign warns drivers that 'cars kill kids and melt glaciers'
  • Report finds people in Harrogate benefited from World Championships
  • Alexander Vinokourov 'ousted' from Astana just days before start of Tour de France
  • Should food delivery robots be allowed in cycle lanes?
  • Protest to protect cycle lanes criticised by locals
  • 2021 Tour Series Calendar announced
  • Team GB launch 'I am Team GB' get active campaign... sponsored by McVitie's and Toyota
  • Nothing worse than when a cyclist rides on the pavement...
  • Bidirectional bike lanes - what are they good for?
  • Surrey police say main reason people don't cycle is 'drivers' actions'
  • Geraint Thomas admits he watches cycling
  • When it's time to start cycling with other people
  • Trek-Segafredo rider Koen de Kort has three fingers amputated following off-road vehicle crash
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24 June 2021, 08:18

Road sign warns drivers that 'cars kill kids and melt glaciers'

The sign makes some pretty good points pic.twitter.com/G7ovTGBzPb

— Race Radio (@TheRaceRadio) June 24, 2021

A road sign has seemingly been hijacked to alert drivers stuck in heavy traffic to the benefits of cycling while also giving the motorists a few handy reminders about their vehicles…

The sign includes helpful messages such as ‘cars are death machines’, ‘ cars kill kids’, ‘cars melt glaciers’ and ‘Use bus, subway or bike’.

The sign appeared in Brooklyn, New York, and as the original poster says, it makes some pretty good points…

24 June 2021, 08:18

Report finds people in Harrogate benefited from World Championships

Harrogate Borough Council has hailed the town’s hosting of the UCI cycling championships as a boost for people’s health and the health of the town’s visitor economy after a new report on the 2019 event was published by British Cycling. https://t.co/MmnaT7X2X6

— Harrogate Advertiser (@HgateAdvertiser) June 23, 2021

The report into the social impact of the 2019 World Championships was carried out by The Sport Industry Research Centre (SIRC) at Sheffield Hallam University.

The results showed 57 per cent of those who were surveyed felt more proud of Yorkshire/UK and 52 per felt more positive about where they live because of the UCI.

A total of 45 per cent were inspired to take up cycling or cycle more, and 47 per cent were inspired to do more sport and active recreation generally.

In the immediate aftermath of the event in 2019 there was widespread frustration that, perhaps due to the heavy rain, the number of cycling fans was much lower than expected, and business forced to close for the races claimed they lost thousands of pounds in trade. 

> Harrogate says ‘no thanks’ to Tour de Yorkshire after Worlds experience

Even now, following the announcement of the report some local papers have criticised the ‘astonishing claims’ in the study and called the World Championships a ‘niche event’.

Mads Pedersen surprised in the men’s road race that year by becoming the first Danish world champion in the event after winning the sprint in a three-man breakaway.

In the women’s race, Annemiek van Vleuten soloed to victory, after a lone breakaway of more than 100 km (62 mi).

24 June 2021, 08:18

Alexander Vinokourov 'ousted' from Astana just days before start of Tour de France

Vinokourov ousted from Astana team https://t.co/wHktAClBuA

— the Inner Ring (@inrng) June 24, 2021

L’Equipe report that Astana’s general manager Alexander Vinokourov has been dismissed from the team for ‘personal reasons’.

The French paper says that the undefined personal reasons given are ‘refuted’ by Vinokourov and his lawyers are apparently already trying to get him reinstated at the team.

Vinokourov retired as a rider after winning gold at the 2012 Olympic men’s road race, and took over management duties with Astana–Premier Tech the following year.

The controversial Kazakh has made his fair share of headlines over the years and only last month former Sports Director at Astana, Dmitry Sedun, revealed Vinokourov was fired by Astana before being re-instated just one day later, after he complained about the sacking of two of his colleagues. 

More importantly however, this just gives us another excuse to watch that rap video…

 

24 June 2021, 08:18

Should food delivery robots be allowed in cycle lanes?

The introduction of pizza delivery robots in Central Austin in the USA has sparked a debate about whether the machines should be allowed to go in cycle lanes.

The Austin Monitor report that Michigan-based tech firm Refraction AI started operations in Austin last week with 10 semi-autonomous robots delivering pizza to the city. 

Jake Boone, vice chair of the city’s Bicycle Advisory Council, said: “My personal view is that I don’t believe these belong in the bike lane.

“I almost feel like we’re the test subject for this new technology, and that does bother me. 

“What if in two years we have several hundred of these on the road?”

Some cyclists also expressed concerns about exactly how a REV-1 would move out of a rider’s way on a path next to cars and trucks going past at 30 miles per hour or more…

For now a person on an electric scooter follows each REV-1 while the machine’s artificial intelligence learns the city’s streets.

Eventually, the robot will roll on its own at up to 15 miles per hour with a remote operator monitoring it over the internet.

“We’re huge bike advocates and big believers that they are an important part of city transportation,” Refraction AI CEO Luke Schneider said.

“The robots are required to yield the right of way to bicycles, to pedestrians, as well as to regular vehicular traffic.”

24 June 2021, 08:18

Protest to protect cycle lanes criticised by locals

Inspiring to see so many cyclists come out tonight to ride in support of the #LanarkRoad bike lane and all the other important changes that have been made in #Edinburgh to improve all types of active travel. Here’s a bumper photo album https://t.co/HZtFDjoUah pic.twitter.com/78iYLIsi8L

— Andy Catlin (@andycatlincom) June 23, 2021

Cyclists came out in force yesterday to protest against losing newly constructed cycle lanes in Edinburgh. 

Large numbers of people rode out to a stretch of Lanark Road, which has recently seen a number of new measures put in place under the Spaces for People scheme, Edinburgh Live reports. 

The dual carriageway was reduced to a single lane on each side with the speed limit reduced from 40mph to 30mph. Cycle lanes with bollards were also introduced.

The scheme was met with opposition at a consultation however and some of the comments on the local paper’s article make for fairly depressing reading…

One man, Jon Clark, commented: “These protesters are doubtless a Spokes or “SusTrans “rent a crowd” brought in to make it looks like there’s a movement in favour of these dangerous and wasteful schemes.”

Another, Scott Robertson, said: “It’s quite amazing that people have ‘turned up’ when you could count on one hand the amount of bikes that actually use it.”

And of course, one man, Alan Watt, waded in condemning some riders for not wearing helmets: “How stupid not wearing safety helmets on a main road such as Lanark Road, here’s hoping that none of them have a trip to the ERI in the back of an ambulance because of their own stupidity and negligence.”

24 June 2021, 08:18

2021 Tour Series Calendar announced

Introducing the 3⃣ new rounds that make up the 2021 Tour Series schedule.#TourSeries

— The Tour Series (@TourSeries) June 24, 2021

The 2021 Tour Series calendar has been announced revealing the three new host venues for the August event.

Guisborough, Sunderland and Castle Douglas will each host men’s and women’s races in a compact week-long Tour Series, with events taking place on Sunday 8, Tuesday 10, and Thursday 12 August.  Highlights of all three rounds will  be broadcast on ITV4.

Launched in 2009, the Tour Series is the UK’s leading televised cycle race series.

Mick Bennett, Tour Series Race Director, said: “Hopefully this news can contribute an increase in confidence for domestic racing, not just for the rest of the year but going into 2022 as well.”

24 June 2021, 08:18

Team GB launch 'I am Team GB' get active campaign... sponsored by McVitie's and Toyota

Team GB has launched it’s undoubtedly well intentioned ‘I am Team GB’ Olympic linked campaign to get more people active.

However, as journalist Peter Walker wrote on Twitter, could it be that ‘activity campaigns based on sport are a long-standing mistake’? 

There’s a new Olympics-linked drive to get people more active, called “I Am Team GB”, which is perfectly laudable in its way, but will achieve *almost nothing* in getting many people more active, and makes the same mistakes of almost all such activity campaigns.

(mini-thread)

— Peter Walker (@peterwalker99) June 23, 2021

road.cc readers made similarly insightful points about the report into the impact the UCI World Championships had on cycling in Harrogate, which we posted about earlier today. 

Walker also said that some of the sponsors of the GB campaign might not actually be that supportive of schemes promoting walking and cycling.

He added: “For activity to stick, it has to be embedded into people’s lives, not least active travel like walking/cycling.

“But who is the lead sponsor of I Am Team GB? It’s Toyota. Another “partner” is McVities. Neither company would sign up to a campaign that actually changed things.”

Walker, political correspondent for the Guardian, continued: “Actually tackling inactivity takes big and politically scary changes, which ministers don’t want to think about…

“In the meantime, Toyota can carry on selling two-tonne SUVs, and McVitie’s can carry on selling biscuits which are 25% sugar, and put a page in their annual reports about corporate social responsibility.”

24 June 2021, 08:18

Nothing worse than when a cyclist rides on the pavement...

Think this guy clocked my @PassPixi sign and gave me waaaay too much room yesterday😲 pic.twitter.com/mBykb7H9mG

— Lee Walker (@lw4lker) May 29, 2021

Cyclist Lee Walker captured the extremely wide pass while out riding, but as someone commented on Twitter, there really is nothing worse than a person cycling on a footpath…

24 June 2021, 08:18

Bidirectional bike lanes - what are they good for?

Was just cycling E on C9 and driver of a flatbed truck in @LBofHounslow livery pulled out in front of me from Duke Road. I’d anticipated it, when I told driver to look out, he said I was “going the wrong way.” Um, no I wasn’t. Tell your drivers took both ways please @LBofHounslow pic.twitter.com/LTpOMf0IdY

— Simon MacMichael (@simonmacmichael) June 24, 2021

Following a near miss for our news editor, Simon, earlier today, we thought we would see what people thought about bidirectional cycle lanes.

Bidirectional cycle lanes do take up less space while also allowing room for people to overtake, but they can be dangerous if they cross busy side-roads.

People leaving the side-roads are looking in the direction of conventional traffic, and can forget to check the other direction for people on bikes.

24 June 2021, 08:18

Surrey police say main reason people don't cycle is 'drivers' actions'

Following on from yesterday’s story about Surrey Police sliding into an angry driver’s DM’s when they moaned about cyclists riding in the middle of the road, the force has now explained to other angry commentators why they need to educate motorists. 

One person wrote under the initial post: “Cyclists are a law unto themselves. @SurreyRoadCops shame on you for promoting this.”

In response, the force replied: Our job is to educate and encourage and enforce road safety matters – we can do that by stopping offenders out on the road, or via Social Media…which is why we have a Twitter account.

Cycling is a great enabler of transport and better health – it’s under promoted and under used. Surveys constantly show the primary reason people don’t cycle is because they feel unsafe due to motorists actions.

A motorist can (and regularly does) cause significant harm to…

— Roads Policing Unit (RPU) – Surrey Police – UK (@SurreyRoadCops) June 24, 2021

The full reply read: “Cycling is a great enabler of transport and better health – it’s under promoted and under used. Surveys constantly show the primary reason people don’t cycle is because they feel unsafe due to motorists actions.

A motorist can (and regularly does) cause significant harm to others, our job is to enforce that. Because there are more motorists on the road we naturally deal with significantly higher number of offenders by motorists than any other form of transport.”

24 June 2021, 08:18

Geraint Thomas admits he watches cycling

I watched cycling on the TV today. Yes you read that correctly. Felt a bit weird, I didn’t dislike it…

— Geraint Thomas (@geraintthomas) June 23, 2021

The Tour de France is just days away and that means that Geraint Thomas (not that one) is back fending off questions from cycling fans who mistakenly follow him on Twitter. 

This Geraint works as a lecturer in visual effects at USW Film School Wales and he ‘rose to fame’ in 2018 after the Ineos Grenadiers (then Sky) rider stormed to victory at the Tour.

Let’s get some FAQ’s out of the way:

– Yes I’d quite enjoy a tour of France
– No I can’t recommend a bike to you
– Yes I own a jersey somewhere
– No I generally don’t get tired after climbing hills
– Yes my legs are just fine thanks
– No, nothing’s occurrin’

— Geraint Thomas (@geraintthomas) June 24, 2021

24 June 2021, 08:18

When it's time to start cycling with other people

 
 
 
 
View this post on Instagram
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

A post shared by Katie Burrell (@katieburrelltv)

 

This giving anyone else flashbacks?

24 June 2021, 08:18

Trek-Segafredo rider Koen de Kort has three fingers amputated following off-road vehicle crash

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koen de kort – via twitter (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

The 38-year-old Dutchman was “the victim of an accident” involving an off-road vehicle he was driving according to Trek-Segafredo, which resulted in three of his fingers being amputated. Here is the statement in full: 

We are sad to inform that early Thursday afternoon Koen de Kort was a victim of an accident while driving a vehicle off-road that resulted in the amputation of his third, fourth, and fifth fingers of his right hand.

Our expert road captain has been a resident of Andorra for some years and unfortunately was involved in an accident in the Pyreenes area and suffered serious damage to his right hand. The gravity of his injury required an emergency transfer by helicopter to hospital Parc Tauli in Sabadell, in the province of Barcelona.

After assessing the severity of the situation, the decision was made for immediate surgical intervention. In spite of the doctors’ effort in a procedure that lasted over three hours, it was necessary to amputate three fingers.

“Unfortunately, Koen has lost the third, fourth, and fifth finger of his right hand. The amputation has been total removal,” explained Trek-Segafredo physician Dr. Manuel Rodrìguez Alonso, who has been in close contact with the medical staff at the Catalan hospital.

“Dr. Jorge Serrano, who operated on him and to whom we must thank for his work, told me that from the first findings the functionality of the hand will be maintained thanks to the thumb and index finger. The latter also suffered a considerable damage but, thanks to the efforts of the doctors, was saved from amputation.

“Because of considerable dirt around the wounds, the risk of infection has not been ruled out, but the most appropriate antibiotic therapy is being administered. Obviously, Koen will remain in the hospital for the next few days.”

Dr. Rodríguez Alonso was able to speak with the Trek-Segafredo rider before and after the surgery, and reports that Koen is in good condition physically and mentally.

No further details will be provided at the moment.

The veteran is still a key part of the Trek-Segafredo team, having raced in the Giro d’Italia and the Tour of Flanders this season. 

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  1. fourohfour
    June 24, 2021 at 8:37 am
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    The sign is in Brooklyn, New

    The sign is in Brooklyn, New York and the video is from 2019, it’s right there if you click the link 

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    • mdavidford
      June 24, 2021 at 9:01 am
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      Huh? Right where? I can see a

      Huh? Right where? I can see a link to the original poster (who is in NY, but that doesn’t necessarily mean the sign is), but can’t see a date or a link to the original posting – how did you find that?

      I’m not sure there’s any evidence it was ‘hijacked’ – seems more likely it was just hired to display that message.

      Best reply in the comments: “I’m a bit annoyed that it isn’t centrally justified.”

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      • cdamian
        June 24, 2021 at 9:30 am
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        If you Google around a bit
        If you Google around a bit you will find more articles about this. It has been going on for a while and still is.
        “Hacked” is probably overstating it. I bet they are easy to change one you know how.

        https://gothamist.com/news/cars-ruin-cities-electronic-road-signs-park-slope-hacked-anti-driver-messages

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        • hawkinspeter
          June 24, 2021 at 9:36 am
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          As I remember, those road

          As I remember, those road signs can be ‘hacked’ by plugging in a suitable USB stick.

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          • brooksby
            June 24, 2021 at 10:12 am
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            hawkinspeter wrote:

            As I remember, those road signs can be ‘hacked’ by plugging in a suitable USB stick.

            — hawkinspeter

            You forgot to say, “Allegedly, according to a friend“… 😉

          • hawkinspeter
            June 24, 2021 at 11:33 am
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            brooksby wrote:

            As I remember, those road signs can be ‘hacked’ by plugging in a suitable USB stick.

            — brooksby

            You forgot to say, “Allegedly, according to a friend“… 😉

            — hawkinspeter

            Allegedly, according to a friend, you don’t even need a USB stick: https://jalopnik.com/how-to-hack-an-electronic-road-sign-5141430

            • The access panel on the sign is generally protected by a small lock, but often are left unprotected. Upon opening the access panel you can see the display electronics.
            • The black control pad is attached by a curly cord, with a keyboard on the face.
            • Programming is as simple as scrolling down the menu selection to “Instant Text”. Type whatever you want to display, Hit Enter to submit. You can now either throw it up on the sign by selecting “Run w/out save” or you can add more pages to it by selecting “Add page”

            ** HACKER TIPS ** Should it will ask you for a password. Try “DOTS”, the default password.

            In all likelihood, the crew will not have changed it. However if they did, never fear. Hold “Control” and “Shift” and while holding, enter “DIPY”. This will reset the sign and reset the password to “DOTS” in the process. You’re in!

  2. brooksby
    June 24, 2021 at 9:13 am
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    Well, the “pop-up” protected

    Well, the “pop-up” protected cycle lane along Park Row in Bristol travelling toward the Triangle finally appears to have gone the way of the dodo.

    It’s not very long anyway, maybe 12 orange plastic wands along from the hairdressers, past the Greek pasty shop.

    You could never rely upon using it as the Greek shop took exception to it and regularly removed wands so that they could park outside and load/unload (I know this from actually speaking to them!).

    But for three days now there have been eight or nine of the wands removed.  There are three or four cars parked up all day, back like when it was parking spaces instead of a cycle lane (except with the added advantage that the machine is not working for payment, because you are not supposed to be parking there so now they even get free f-ing parking) surprise

    Absolutely ridiculous.  Forces cyclists to use the main lane or the old door-zone cycle lane that used to be there, with the added fun that there’s a pop-up lane on the other side of the road so the main traffic lanes feel narrowed and the motorists get all claustrophobic and crotchety.

    Grrrrr….

     

    I imagine Nige will be along soon to blame it on Mikey… 😀

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  3. wtjs
    June 24, 2021 at 9:45 am
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    I’m sure these illuminated

    I’m sure these illuminated signs, described as Mobile Messaging Trailers in Lancashire, are equally as effective in the USA as they are here- which is ‘not in the slightest’. In Lancashire the drivers vie to be the first to simultaneously break all the feeble pleading messages which the police have no intention of taking seriously

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    • wtjs
      June 24, 2021 at 9:48 am
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      The trailer displayed the 30

      The trailer displayed the 30 limit as well- Mercedes A19 LCW was doing about 50, so he broke all 3 messages at once, so was the winner of Lancashire Constabulary’s Challenge

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  4. Gimpl
    June 24, 2021 at 10:10 am
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    So here in Milton Keynes we

    So here in Milton Keynes we have been sharing our Redways (shared use, walking and cycling paths) with automated delivery robots for quite a while now – no issues at all. 

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    • hawkinspeter
      June 24, 2021 at 10:17 am
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      I don’t think autonomous

      I don’t think autonomous vehicles should be allowed on cycle/shared paths as there’s no mention of how they deal with pets and wildlife. Do they give way to squirrels?

      Also, they could be used as an excellent road safety tool. Stick a couple of cameras on them and whenever they get involved in a collision, there’ll be footage showing what happened and maybe the police could take appropriate action with the drivers (though maybe not in Staffordshire).

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      • wycombewheeler
        June 24, 2021 at 1:19 pm
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        hawkinspeter wrote:

        I don’t think autonomous vehicles should be allowed on cycle/shared paths as there’s no mention of how they deal with pets and wildlife. Do they give way to squirrels?

        Also, they could be used as an excellent road safety tool. Stick a couple of cameras on them and whenever they get involved in a collision, there’ll be footage showing what happened and maybe the police could take appropriate action with the drivers (though maybe not in Staffordshire).

        — hawkinspeter

        if there has been a collision there will be damage to property, freeing the police to take action.

        Next time staffordshire police hace an appeal about a serious accident, maybe the responses should be along the lines that not actioning dangerous driving by the staffodshire police road team is a major contributing factor.

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      • Gimpl
        June 24, 2021 at 2:44 pm
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        hawkinspeter wrote:

        I don’t think autonomous vehicles should be allowed on cycle/shared paths as there’s no mention of how they deal with pets and wildlife. Do they give way to squirrels?

        — hawkinspeter

        I think they are programmed to aim for squirrels as part of a conservation program. 

        Other wildlife will be fine. 

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        • hawkinspeter
          June 24, 2021 at 2:49 pm
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          Gimpl wrote:

          I don’t think autonomous vehicles should be allowed on cycle/shared paths as there’s no mention of how they deal with pets and wildlife. Do they give way to squirrels?

          — Gimpl

          I think they are programmed to aim for squirrels as part of a conservation program. 

          Other wildlife will be fine. 

          — hawkinspeter

          Just a matter of time until the squirrels escalate

           

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        • eburtthebike
          June 24, 2021 at 2:53 pm
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          Gimpl wrote:

          I don’t think autonomous vehicles should be allowed on cycle/shared paths as there’s no mention of how they deal with pets and wildlife. Do they give way to squirrels?

          — Gimpl

          I think they are programmed to aim for squirrels as part of a conservation program. 

          Other wildlife will be fine. 

          — hawkinspeter

          Apparently there is a bonus scheme for the most number of tails collected in a week.

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      • SaintClarence27
        June 24, 2021 at 5:45 pm
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        They will never survive here

        They will never survive here in the states.  People will knock them over on purpose and steal the pizza.  Remember what happened to Hitchbot?  He got beheaded.

        But here’s the thing – this might actually encourage governments to provide more and better cycling infrastructure.

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        • hawkinspeter
          June 24, 2021 at 6:03 pm
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          SaintClarence27 wrote:

          They will never survive here in the states.  People will knock them over on purpose and steal the pizza.  Remember what happened to Hitchbot?  He got beheaded.

          But here’s the thing – this might actually encourage governments to provide more and better cycling infrastructure.

          — SaintClarence27

          That could be one advantage to having robots using cycle lanes, if big companies help ensure that cycle infrastructure is built, fit for purpose and well maintained. It just seems to me that they’d rather put the robots amongst squishy traffic rather than huge metal boxes.

          I guess it’d be easier to steal pizza from a robot on a path than on the road so maybe they’d need some countermeasures?

           

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          • wycombewheeler
            June 25, 2021 at 8:02 am
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            hawkinspeter wrote:

            That could be one advantage to having robots using cycle lanes, if big companies help ensure that cycle infrastructure is built, fit for purpose and well maintained. It just seems to me that they’d rather put the robots amongst squishy traffic rather than huge metal boxes.

            — hawkinspeter

            Delivery companies don’t feel their robts are safe saring with drivers, prefer to share with all those cyclists. Perhaps cyclists are not the problem claimed by some drivers.

    • Sriracha
      June 24, 2021 at 3:45 pm
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      Two reasons why robots should
      Two reasons why robots should not use cycleways:

      The cost of building cycling infrastructure is paid back in reduced costs to the NHS, if the infra is used for increased active travel. So using some of its bandwidth instead to bring more pizza and pop to couch potatoes is cheating taxpayers out of the return on investment. Active travel investment should be employed to increase active travel, not squandered elsewhere.

      The robots will displace cyclists. The whole point of decent cycle infra is to protect cyclists from motorists. Why should robots making a profit for someone take a cyclist’s place in safety?

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      • Gimpl
        June 24, 2021 at 4:07 pm
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        Sriracha wrote:

        Two reasons why robots should not use cycleways: The cost of building cycling infrastructure is paid back in reduced costs to the NHS, if the infra is used for increased active travel. So using some of its bandwidth instead to bring more pizza and pop to couch potatoes is cheating taxpayers out of the return on investment. Active travel investment should be employed to increase active travel, not squandered elsewhere. The robots will displace cyclists. The whole point of decent cycle infra is to protect cyclists from motorists. Why should robots making a profit for someone take a cyclist’s place in safety?

        — Sriracha

        So our shared use infrastructure has been in place since the inception of the city nearly 50 years ago – as new estates are built, the infrastructure is expanded accordingly as part of the development and paid for by the developing companies. No cost to the local tax payer. Clearly that might not be the case everywhere but I still think you are stretching it somewhat!

        We have had around two years of sharing the paths with the robots – they always give way to pedestrians and cyclist – always! They also don’t appear to be taking over although it could be insidious as they are clearly sneaky little bastards who want nothing less than world domination. 

        By far the biggest issue are those f**!??* long dog leads! Overall I think they are a great idea and the alternative is to have pizzas delivered by a yoof on a moped.

         

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      • SaintClarence27
        June 25, 2021 at 2:55 am
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        Sriracha wrote:

        Two reasons why robots should not use cycleways:

        The cost of building cycling infrastructure is paid back in reduced costs to the NHS, if the infra is used for increased active travel. So using some of its bandwidth instead to bring more pizza and pop to couch potatoes is cheating taxpayers out of the return on investment. Active travel investment should be employed to increase active travel, not squandered elsewhere.

        The robots will displace cyclists. The whole point of decent cycle infra is to protect cyclists from motorists. Why should robots making a profit for someone take a cyclist’s place in safety?

        — Sriracha

        I’m talking from the states, from a position where the UK seems like a cycling infrastructure utopia.

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        • wycombewheeler
          June 25, 2021 at 8:00 am
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          SaintClarence27 wrote:

          Two reasons why robots should not use cycleways: The cost of building cycling infrastructure is paid back in reduced costs to the NHS, if the infra is used for increased active travel. So using some of its bandwidth instead to bring more pizza and pop to couch potatoes is cheating taxpayers out of the return on investment. Active travel investment should be employed to increase active travel, not squandered elsewhere. The robots will displace cyclists. The whole point of decent cycle infra is to protect cyclists from motorists. Why should robots making a profit for someone take a cyclist’s place in safety?

          — SaintClarence27

          I’m talking from the states, from a position where the UK seems like a cycling infrastructure utopia.

          — Sriracha

          are you aware that the Netherlands and the UK are seperate countries? There are a few pockets of good cycling infrastructure but there is also a lot of very poor cycling infrastructure that is worse than none.

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    • alchemilla
      June 25, 2021 at 7:46 am
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      Would you feel confident a
      Would you feel confident a robot would avoid your three-year-old wobbling along on their bike on a shared use path?

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      • wycombewheeler
        June 25, 2021 at 7:58 am
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        alchemilla wrote:

        Would you feel confident a robot would avoid your three-year-old wobbling along on their bike on a shared use path?

        — alchemilla

        more confident than them being safe from a large dog on a five mile extending lead.

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        • Gimpl
          June 25, 2021 at 8:17 am
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          So true!

          So true!

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      • Gimpl
        June 25, 2021 at 8:16 am
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        Yes – absolutely. From where

        Yes – absolutely. From where I’m sat right now I can see a Redway which regularly has both young children playing and mixing with the infrequent delivery robot. Like I mentioned previously the robots always stop when they are approached by anything else (including dogs). Local kids had great fun when they were first rolled out deliberatley stepping in front of them to get them to stop. In this area they are not just for pizzas but also deliver groceries etc as well. It’s a brilliant scheme (even if I’ve never used one myself!).

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  5. AlsoSomniloquism
    June 24, 2021 at 10:31 am
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    Tour of Cambridgshire

    Tour of Cambridgshire initially for June 2020, rearranged for June 2021, rearranged for Sept 2021 now rearranged for June 2022. 

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  6. Awavey
    June 24, 2021 at 11:03 am
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    I do think those reports into
    I do think those reports into the impact of an event often greatly exaggerate the benefits, like it quotes a 329million worldwide cumulative tv audience,59 million in the UK…that’s nearly 90% of the UK population apparently tuned in via television.

    At least it, unlike most research of this style, recognises its own limitations and is much more measured in its conclusions, ie it doesnt wholly claim the event was a roaring success, but that’s never the headline grabbing stuff people quote.

    The places to ride legacy funded schemes seems interesting, but have had zero exposure to all but those I suspect who applied for funding.

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    • Rendel Harris
      June 24, 2021 at 3:47 pm
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      Awavey wrote:

      I do think those reports into the impact of an event often greatly exaggerate the benefits, like it quotes a 329million worldwide cumulative tv audience,59 million in the UK…that’s nearly 90% of the UK population apparently tuned in via television.

      — Awavey

      Is the global TV figure that surprising? A nine day event, so averaging 36M a day, who could all be the same each day and who could have just flicked on for a few minutes. The UK figure does sound daft, I haven’t seen it anywhere though?

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      • Awavey
        June 24, 2021 at 6:07 pm
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        it seemed high to me, but

        it seemed high to me, but then the Euro 2020s are claiming billions of viewers so maybe comparatively it isnt,the cycling figures are quoted in the original report (https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/zuvvi/media/media/other/UCI_Road_World_Championships_-_Social_Impact_Evaluation.pdf) but its that thing where if a clip of footage is shown on a news program they count the viewership of the news as viewers, or highlights or replays etc etc

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        • Rendel Harris
          June 24, 2021 at 8:46 pm
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          Yes I did wonder if “Saw it

          Yes I did wonder if “Saw it on the evening news whilst waiting for the weather forecast” might be thrown in the mix!

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  7. DoomeFrog
    June 24, 2021 at 12:43 pm
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    Does anyone else see the
    Does anyone else see the irony of a get active campaign sponsored by supplier of sugary fat laden treats and a motor car manufacturer?

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    • Awavey
      June 24, 2021 at 1:10 pm
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      No, genuinely dont see what
      No, genuinely dont see what the problem is here, how much sugar is in most cyclists snacks ? Take a packet of haribo that some mail order cycling shops have the “sheer affront” to include as free gifts when you just buy a spare inner tube as a starter for 10.

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    • wycombewheeler
      June 24, 2021 at 1:16 pm
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      DoomeFrog wrote:

      Does anyone else see the irony of a get active campaign sponsored by supplier of sugary fat laden treats and a motor car manufacturer?

      — DoomeFrog

      be more active get more hyngry eat more biscuits.

      Don’t sit at home, go somewhere to do something active, take your bike there on the back of the toyota

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    • hawkinspeter
      June 24, 2021 at 1:19 pm
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      DoomeFrog wrote:

      Does anyone else see the irony of a get active campaign sponsored by supplier of sugary fat laden treats and a motor car manufacturer?

      — DoomeFrog

      That’s late stage capitalism for you.

      Fuel company adverts usually feature pristine wildernesses and car adverts inevitably have happy, active people enjoying empty winding roads.

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    • Sriracha
      June 24, 2021 at 3:18 pm
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      Yes. Also ironic that active
      Yes. Also ironic that active travel infra should be used for robots to bring more pizza and pies to people stuck on their sofa.

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      • brooksby
        June 24, 2021 at 3:20 pm
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        Sriracha wrote:

        Yes. Also ironic that active travel infra should be used for robots to bring more pizza and pies to people stuck on their sofa.

        — Sriracha

        The cycle lanes in Bristol are used by the riders of electric scooters and by blokes delivering food on motor scooters.  Having a mouse droid deliver your pizza’n’pies using the cycle lane isn’t so different…

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        • hawkinspeter
          June 24, 2021 at 3:27 pm
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          brooksby wrote:

          Yes. Also ironic that active travel infra should be used for robots to bring more pizza and pies to people stuck on their sofa.

          — brooksby

          The cycle lanes in Bristol are used by the riders of electric scooters and by blokes delivering food on motor scooters.  Having a mouse droid deliver your pizza’n’pies using the cycle lane isn’t so different…— Sriracha

          I’ve got no issue with electric scooters in cycle lanes (even though it means I have to use the road to overtake them), but motor scooters have no place there. I do not want to pootle along in a cycle lane behind one whilst getting a face-full of fumes.

          I don’t want companies filling up the segregated infrastructure just so that they can increase their profits. They belong on the road so at least the worst drivers can hit them instead of people.

          Robot Live Don’t Matter!

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  8. brooksby
    June 24, 2021 at 3:14 pm
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    Anyone seen this one yet?

    Anyone seen this one yet?

    Northamptonshire cyclist’s family call for elderly driver eye tests

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-57595592

    The family of a man who died when his tricycle was hit by a motorist in her 90s have made a plea to elderly drivers to get their eyes tested.

    Mick Harvey was killed in the incident in Desborough, Northamptonshire on 21 May last year.

    The woman had her driving licence revoked due to eyesight issues.

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  9. GMBasix
    June 24, 2021 at 4:12 pm
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    Quote:

    Should food delivery robots be allowed in cycle lanes?

    No.

    Next.

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  10. GMBasix
    June 24, 2021 at 4:23 pm
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    Bi-directional lanes add to

    Bi-directional lanes add to the cognitive load for drivers who have already relegated their responsiblities to habit and cursory glances.

    On one hand, drivers fail to take into account all the available information, and it’s their fault; on the other hand, it is reasonable to say that a driver coming across a new bidirectional lane may not be expecting to see it.  They have not been trained to accommodate them; they are not currently highlighted in the current Highway Code; they add to the demands on a driver emerging progressively from a side road onto what is presumably a busy road.  

    If they are to be used, they should make use of a number of more expensive infrastructure features: tables for drivers to cross before crossing the cycle lanes; durable tarmac colouring with emphasised directional markings and signs; and driver education. And side roads should be designed to restrict approach and turning speeds as drivers emerge.

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  11. hawkinspeter
    June 24, 2021 at 5:56 pm
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    Quote:

    A motorist can (and regularly does) cause significant harm to others, our job is to enforce that.

    They need to find that motorist and stop him/her.

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    • Rendel Harris
      June 24, 2021 at 8:45 pm
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      “Every twelve minutes a

      “Every twelve minutes a person is mugged in London. They must feel like it’s not worth even going out any more.”

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    • wycombewheeler
      June 25, 2021 at 7:54 am
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      hawkinspeter wrote:

      A motorist can (and regularly does) cause significant harm to others, our job is to enforce that.

      — hawkinspeter

      They need to find that motorist and stop him/her.

       

      Indeed I would prefer that they did not oblige drivers to cause significant harm, 

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  12. wycombewheeler
    June 25, 2021 at 7:53 am
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    “Cycling is a great enabler

    “Cycling is a great enabler of transport and better health – it’s under promoted and under used. Surveys constantly show the primary reason people don’t cycle is because they feel unsafe due to motorists actions.”

    meanwhile drivers point at lawless cyclists being a menace on the roads, but no driver has yet come to the conclusion that they will stop driving due to fear of cyclists. No one has been put off starting driving due to fear of sharing space with bikes. 

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Bungle_52 16 minutes ago

@Wales56 Thank you for that. I visited Bristol yesterday. Bus and train. I was astounded by the number of cyclists even on the steep hills in a heatwave. Many people still drive though and the traffic was horrendous meaning a short bus journey from Temple Meads to the center took ages. Quicker than walking (just) but cycling would have been much quicker. The number of cycle paths does mean you need to be aware as a pedestrian but I was prepared for this after getting in the way of a cyclist on my previous vist a few years ago. Needless to say the train on the return journey was overcrowded (had to stand for the journey) and delayed and meaning missing a few public transport connections which made the journey take longer than needed. Even with these frustrations it was much more relaxing than driving. 20 years ago I would have driven without even thinking about it.

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kinderje 23 minutes ago

@quiff Should be on a new sub-tier website 'OffroadRacing.cc' :)

in: Argon 18 says the all new Anti Matter is the ultimate carbon aero race bike… for gravel!
mdavidford 25 minutes ago

There you go, getting in a tangle over terminology again - you've written 'subtle', when what you meant was 'incoherent'.

in: No mention of electric motorbikes? Police seize “illegal e-bikes” which can reach 72mph; Le Col write off £8 million in debt; First Minister wants Wales to be “world-leading destination” for cyclo-tourists; Tour de France sprint + more on the live blog
GravelIsNothingNew 36 minutes ago

…serves you right for seeking out such a cliche of a photo opp! 🙃 sunflowers, please 🙄

in: The day I got peed on at the Tour de France
Rendel Harris 38 minutes ago

@quiff The police definitely can't park where they like (rephrase: legally they definitely can't park where they like, in practice…), if they are not on emergency response all traffic laws and regulations apply to them just as they do to the ordinary motorist. I have an ongoing battle with the Met regarding the bus lane outside King's College Hospital on Denmark Hill; every morning there will be three or four police cars or vans parked in the lane, often on the zigzags of the pelican crossing there, forcing buses, motorcyclists and cyclists to switch out into the busy main traffic lane. As a user of the hospital myself I know that very rarely do they have any police business in the hospital, they are usually getting coffee and doughnuts from the in-hospital Costa. The Met has admitted that they should not be parking there and promised to sort it out, but my dialogue with them has lasted more than five years now and every morning they are still there just the same.

in: “You scream and shout, but they just chuckle”: Cyclist feels helpless about bike theft in London; E-bikes seized by council to tackle bad parking; Transitional stage set to bring new race leader at Tour de France + more on the live blog
wtjs 52 minutes ago

@Cayo I’m very much pro-Police, but that particular issue only serves to normalise pavement parking Well, I'm very much anti-police, but not over trivial parking decisions while they're actually working against offenders, as opposed to sitting about thinking up reasons why they can't act over well-supported and evidenced reports of serious offending

in: “You scream and shout, but they just chuckle”: Cyclist feels helpless about bike theft in London; E-bikes seized by council to tackle bad parking; Transitional stage set to bring new race leader at Tour de France + more on the live blog
wtjs 1 hour ago

This ancient topic has been revived at the same time as another topic questioned the competence of police 'experts'. On 2014 the police blatantly just 'made up facts', so the question arises 'are they any better now when they varnish up their reports with a load of pseudo-scientific bollocks?'

in: Coroner concludes Venera Minakhmetova died after riding through red light at Bow Roundabout
A V Lowe 5 hours ago

I attended this inquest & was appalled at the poor way that evidences was handled Venera was rammed from behind by the truck driver who had barely reached 12 mph The coroner was told that there was another (untraced) vehicle ahead of the truck that hit Venera as this traffic moved away Venera was a fit regular cyclist riding Stratford to City of London on fixed wheel - no evidence was presented to indicate her typical average speed for this journey (it woiuld have been significantly faster than 12mph!). No evidence was presented concerning the vehicle travelling in front of the truck The circulating traffic on the roundabout routinely runs the red lights cutting across cycle traffic as much as 10 seconds after the cycle traffic gets a green light - I have a picture of the green light for cycle traffic shining through the windows of a bus that has been driven through the red signal

in: Coroner concludes Venera Minakhmetova died after riding through red light at Bow Roundabout
Cayo 8 hours ago

re: occasions when police needlessly pavement park... You only need to watch Police Interceptors and the like to see how unbothered they are. Usually, when they pull over a motorist, said driver mounts the pavement (and cop often does the same), yet there's never any mention of the illegality* or needless manner of their parking. (*Highway Code infraction, even if not against the law in the location being shown). I'm very much pro-Police, but that particular issue only serves to normalise pavement parking.

in: “You scream and shout, but they just chuckle”: Cyclist feels helpless about bike theft in London; E-bikes seized by council to tackle bad parking; Transitional stage set to bring new race leader at Tour de France + more on the live blog
Cayo 8 hours ago

(Before the days of blatent angle grinder use) At my first job, my boss wouldn't allow me to bring my bike indoors, despite there being room. I had to lock it to the railings on a busy street. Came out one night to find it still there... but with signs of attempted theft. Unable to defeat the lock, they'd cut my cables (clearly with proper cutters), purely out of spite😠 Nothing missing - they'd just been petty. At least it persuaded my boss to relent: bike was indoors after that.

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