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Jeremy Vine mistaken for Cycling Mikey; Reading high street cycling crackdown after 2 cyclists killed in 24hrs; British Cycling’s race return plan approved; Garmin debacle continues; Cracking GoCycle x Clarence Court comp + more on the live blog

Welcome to Friday’s live blog, with Jack Sexty in charge throughout the day plus the odd contribution from the rest of the team
  • by Jack Sexty
Fri, Jul 24, 2020 08:37
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SUMMARY

  • "The torture stopped": Puncture comes to the rescue to save Paddy McGuinness from riding with Chris Hoy
  • Cycling Mikey still labelled a 'snitch' by some corners of social media... but plenty leap to his defence
  • Sadiq Khan unveils unfortunate 'cycleskillsonline.tfl.gov.uk' website... before the URL is swiftly changed
  • An even better Garmin workaround
  • “I want to change the behaviours”: Cycling Mikey on Jeremy Vine On 5
  • Greatest cycling rivalry?
  • The Transcontinental Race is cancelled, so this video will have to do
  • Cycling Mikey continued: more support for camera cyclist despite 'snitch' comments
  • Crackdown on town centre cycling in Reading begins - a month after two cyclists were killed by drivers within 24 hours
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  • Garmin update: still down, people still mad, and Strava graphs show the huge affect of the outage
  • 'Pictures of the end' does cycling
  • British Cycling's 'Way Forward' plan approved, with sportives likely to return in late August
  • Two GoCycle GX e-bikes up for grabs in Clarence Court Eggs competition
  • "Are you Cycling Mikey?" Driver and passenger disappointed to find broadcaster Jeremy Vine isn't now-famous camera cyclist
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24 July 2020, 08:37

"The torture stopped": Puncture comes to the rescue to save Paddy McGuinness from riding with Chris Hoy

I could’ve sworn I saw him reach into his pocket and throw a handful of something onto the road in front of me… 🤔😂 https://t.co/wRtrvpbNoG

— Chris Hoy (@chrishoy) July 23, 2020

An act of sabotage? Hopefully Sir Chris didn’t lead Paddy onto a road to nowhere and got him home in one piece. 

24 July 2020, 08:37

Cycling Mikey still labelled a 'snitch' by some corners of social media... but plenty leap to his defence

The story here should be one of a driver penalised for using a phone whilst driving which greatly increases the chance of a fatal crash and the devastation that follows. @MikeyCycling should be praised for vast public service and considerable help and support to #RoadSafety. https://t.co/TTm2zwcycX

— Andy Cox (@SuptAndyCox) July 23, 2020

I have met @MikeyCycling a few times, George, and he’s a sensitive chap, so you have to ask the question — do you really want to hurt him? https://t.co/ZP2WqAcCLq

— Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) July 23, 2020

So whilstle blowers are sneaks? Witnesses are sneaks?
Where do you draw the line?
Seems like for a lot of ppl it’s when they start the engine

— pcarpo (@pcarpo) July 23, 2020

Is it really a good look to defend drivers who are texting at the wheel? Some people seem to think so, including 80’s popstar Boy George amongst other people. We’ll be picking out some of the best takes on this ‘debate’ throughout the day. 

24 July 2020, 08:37

Sadiq Khan unveils unfortunate 'cycleskillsonline.tfl.gov.uk' website... before the URL is swiftly changed

agreed!!! i’ve dropped TfL a line 😬😬😬

— Amy Lamé (london.gov.uk/coronavirus) (@amylame) July 23, 2020

A number of people on social media spotted that taken out of context, the URL could be taken to mean something entirely different… so they’ve now added a hyphen and the website can be found at cycle-skillsonline.tfl.gov.uk, after the Mayor’s Night Czar Amy Lamé put a word in with TfL. 

The online course includes a number of useful tips for new cyclists or those who just want to brush up on their skills, with four modules to complete and a reward of a 24-hour access code for Santander Cycles at the end.

Meanwhile, the London Mayor has been enjoying his new electric Brompton, accompanying Cycling and Walking Commissioner Will Norman on a ride yesterday…

Bike ride with the boss! Really enjoyed being out and about with @MayorofLondon this morning, trying out more of London’s new cycle lanes. #StreetspaceLDN 🚲🚶🏽‍♀️🚲🚶🏽‍♀️ pic.twitter.com/QXXQBJQ0Zx

— Will Norman (@willnorman) July 23, 2020

24 July 2020, 08:37

An even better Garmin workaround

Here’s how to fix your Garmin problem. Easy work around so you don’t get annoyed

Go to settings

Sign out pic.twitter.com/hVDitJoOf4

— 80% vegan runr (@80percentvegan) July 24, 2020

Hey presto! You can now mark yourself safe… 

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marked safe from Garmin shutdown (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

 

24 July 2020, 08:37

“I want to change the behaviours”: Cycling Mikey on Jeremy Vine On 5

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— ⚫ CyclingMikey aka Bike Gandalf 🇪🇺🇳🇱🇿🇼 (@MikeyCycling) July 24, 2020

On yesterday’s live blog, we reported that film director Guy Ritchie was given a six month driving ban after being caught texting at the wheel by camera cyclist Mike van Erp; something that seemed to rile a number of people on the Internet who accused Van Erp – who goes by the name Cycling Mikey on YouTube and Twitter – of being over-zealous with his reporting. 

Well, Van Erp has now appeared on the Jeremy Vine On 5 show on Channel 5 to explain why he does what he does. He said on the show: 

“I want to change the behaviours”

“Enforcement is the key. Traffic policing in the UK has suffered from terrible cuts.”

“Drivers who are using their phone while stationary are also using them while moving.”

“My dad was killed by a drink driver many years ago, that’s my main motivation.”

The discussion then turned to the inevitable debate over whether cyclists should be registered and insured, with a caller labelling Van Erp a “snitch”, claiming someone who wanted to report a cyclist for dangerous riding would be harder to catch. Van Erp also defended Ritchie for the way he conducted himself when he was caught, saying he was “very polite.”  

Meanwhile, Mr Van Erp says he is getting inundated with media requests this morning, some of which he has decided to turn down… 

My phone is going wild this morning. I’ve already refused Nick Ferrari as his views on cycling are well known.

— ⚫ CyclingMikey aka Bike Gandalf 🇪🇺🇳🇱🇿🇼 (@MikeyCycling) July 24, 2020

24 July 2020, 08:37

Greatest cycling rivalry?

Movistar vs Movistar

— Freddie Shires (@fshires) July 23, 2020

And we could well have Ineos vs Ineos (sorry, The Ineos Grenadiers) at this year’s Tour if three previous winners line up together. 

24 July 2020, 08:37

The Transcontinental Race is cancelled, so this video will have to do

The eighth edition of the self-supported epic across Europe would have started today, but obviously things happened… so instead, riders who would have been at the start line such as TCRNo7 winner Fiona Kolbinger tell us what they’re getting up to instead. 

TCRNo8 is now provisionally set to take place in July/August 2021. 

24 July 2020, 08:37

Cycling Mikey continued: more support for camera cyclist despite 'snitch' comments

At the same time though, the story here is that Guy Ritchie has been saved from becoming a perpetrator of a tragedy, and a victim and their family have been saved too. The real crime would have been if @MikeyCycling hadn’t submitted his evidence. Well done Mikey. Keep it up.

— LolPEd (@loled1967) July 23, 2020

If you feel so strongly then perhaps you should campaign to make it legal to text and drive at 5mph, until then Mikey isn’t the twat here.

— Iain Meh (@Sprungbogart) July 24, 2020

Ego driven? His dad was killed by a drink driver. A vigilante is someone who takes the law into his own hands. Mikey handed the footage to the law for it to be dealt with in the proper manner. Publicity for himself maybe, but by doing so it highlights the dangers to others…

— Ciano (@ciano125) July 24, 2020

We’ll repeat: Mikey isn’t the bad buy in all of this…

24 July 2020, 08:37

Crackdown on town centre cycling in Reading begins - a month after two cyclists were killed by drivers within 24 hours

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The Reading Chronicle reports that the Reading Town Centre Neighbourhood Policing Team have started to “engage with people riding bicycles in Broad Street” to discourage cycling in non-permitted areas, which includes the west side of Broad Street in the city centre.   

One witness told the Reading Chronicle: “I’ve witnessed so many close encounters as well as a few collisions with pedestrians and cyclists.

“Some of them whiz through Broad Street and some are also on their mobiles, with heads down!

Not everyone thinks it’s the best use of police time though, with some saying little has been done to crack down on dangerous driving in other parts of the city. 

Remember the crackdown on motorists after two cyclists killed in a single day last month?
Meanwhile zero actual problems with cyclists on Broad Street leads to this. https://t.co/JFKbHVpCnn

— Mutant Ninja Kayaker (@KayakBikeHappy) July 24, 2020

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As one of the comments above cites, the ‘crackdown’ also comes just over a month after two cyclists in Reading were killed in two separate incidents within 24 hours.

On June 11th at around 7:50am, a 22-year-old woman was arrested on suspicion of causing death by careless driving whilst unfit through drink or drugs following a collision with a cyclist.
At 7.25pm the same day, a Deliveroo cyclist died following a collision in Addington Road, after which a 26-year-old man from Wokingham was arrested on suspicion of causing death by careless driving, and driving a motor vehicle with a proportion of a specified controlled drug above the specified limit.

24 July 2020, 08:37

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24 July 2020, 08:37

Garmin update: still down, people still mad, and Strava graphs show the huge affect of the outage

Can’t believe people are still talking about COVID when we are living in a world where you can’t update your Garmin activities to social media!!! pic.twitter.com/3JL1pmrDd4

— Hodge (@The_Hodge75) July 24, 2020

Garmin at the moment pic.twitter.com/o25JRtCtqu

— Freddie Shires (@fshires) July 24, 2020

It’s looking more and more like the GPS giants have suffered a serious cyber attack as we reported this morning, with still no official update from Garmin themselves following a brief statement yesterday.

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As many Garmin watch and cycling computer users sync their activities directly with Strava, the latter’s Status page has inevitably shown a huge drop in uploads. There was a strange spike in the early hours of this morning, with no explanation yet as to why that might be. The page is reporting that Strava hasn’t received activity uploads from Garmin Connect since 22nd July. 

24 July 2020, 08:37

'Pictures of the end' does cycling

pic.twitter.com/fl9hPILrVA

— pictures of the end (@neighbours_wifi) July 24, 2020

The Twitter account is all for anything dark and dystopian, and here’s their latest cycling-themed upload. 

24 July 2020, 08:37

British Cycling's 'Way Forward' plan approved, with sportives likely to return in late August

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British Cycling have now published full guidance with updates following approval from the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport. 

Currently they’re in stage 3 of a six-stage recovery plan, with sportive-style events and road racing still banned. British Cycling have provided an estimation of when that will change though, saying in part 7.7 of The Way Forward document: 

“Non-competitive events in their traditional form (sportives on the highway) are not permitted at this stage. This is subject to ongoing review.

“It is our expectation that sportives and other non-competitive events that use the highway will be possible by the end of August with hygiene, social distancing and consideration given to start and finish areas. We will update in due course.”

BMX, cycle speedway, mountain biking, cyclocross, road time trials and closed circuit events and track events are all permitted, with social distancing guidelines in place. The British Cycling Behaviour Code says competitors must not spit or shout, and must bring their own equipment and refreshments as catering facilities may not be available. 

24 July 2020, 08:37

Two GoCycle GX e-bikes up for grabs in Clarence Court Eggs competition

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gocycle clarence court eggs (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
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gocycle clarence court eggs (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Fancy a GoCycle GX, but don’t want to shell out for it? Well c-lucky you, because the e-bike brand have teamed up with Clarence Court to give away two bikes plus accessories worth over £3,000 as part of a cracking campaign to “raise awareness of the health benefits of e-bikes amongst UK consumers”. 

Over 600,000 Clarence Court egg boxes will have GoCycle inserts inside, although you don’t need to actually buy the eggs to enter as it’s all via an online entry form… we’re sure people will be scrambling to sign up for it.

Clarence Court’s CEO Adrian Gott commented: “We are delighted to be collaborating with electric bike specialists, Gocycle, to give our customers the chance to win one of two Gocycle GX bikes. Our customers lead very health conscious lifestyles and with bike culture booming in many towns and cities across the UK now seems the perfect time to run such a fantastic competition.”

If you want the chance to poach a GoCycle for yourself, you can enter the comp here. 

24 July 2020, 08:37

"Are you Cycling Mikey?" Driver and passenger disappointed to find broadcaster Jeremy Vine isn't now-famous camera cyclist

Thought I’d been recognised while cycling home today. Couple wind down window and this exchange takes place. pic.twitter.com/Kxhky7zzNA

— Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) July 24, 2020

It’s been quite the 24 hours for Mike van Erp, aka Cycling Mikey, and from this exchange it seems some people are hoping to catch a glimpse of him in London (to congratulate him for the sterling work, hopefully). 

While the pair in this car didn’t happen across the man himself they were talking to Jeremy Vine; and judging from the tone of the female’s voice, they weren’t very impressed. Maybe though, we should all claim to be Cycling Mikey…

We are all Cycling Mikey. pic.twitter.com/qXKPlABj7G

— Better Call Paul (@paul_beattie) July 24, 2020

Amazing, this just shows even with the negative type of coverage that some of the media outlets have pushed there is a positive side from Mikey’ work. Many more drivers won’t risk it incase there is a cyclist around to evidence them being dangerous.

— Andrew Disley (@andrewdisley) July 24, 2020

24 July 2020, 08:37

Numerous employees are reporting that this was the real reason behind Garmin's global outage

Garmin Connect ransomware attack – site still down after 24 hours

Garmin Connect ransomware attack – site still down after 24 hours

US firm yet to officially confirm cause of downtime with several of its other services also hit

24 July 2020, 08:37

Palestinian cyclists attacked in the West Bank after following Komoot route

Palestinian cyclists attacked in the West Bank after following Komoot route

Komoot says its service is not optimised for route planning “through areas of political unrest”

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55 thoughts on “Jeremy Vine mistaken for Cycling Mikey; Reading high street cycling crackdown after 2 cyclists killed in 24hrs; British Cycling’s race return plan approved; Garmin debacle continues; Cracking GoCycle x Clarence Court comp + more on the live blog”

  1. mdavidford
    July 24, 2020 at 9:06 am
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    Not even going to touch the

    Not even going to touch the obvious ‘karma’ joke then?

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    • JohnnyRemo
      July 24, 2020 at 9:28 am
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      mdavidford wrote:

      Not even going to touch the obvious ‘karma’ joke then?

      — mdavidford

      It’s a Miracle no-one has…

       

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    • David9694
      July 24, 2020 at 11:20 am
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      Karma karma karma karma karma

      Karma karma karma karma karma karma carmeleon?

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  2. brooksby
    July 24, 2020 at 9:55 am
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    Quote:

    unfortunate ‘cycleskillsonline.tfl.gov.uk’ website

    I don’t get it…

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    • hawkinspeter
      July 24, 2020 at 10:03 am
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      cycles kill son line

      cycles kill son line

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      • Hirsute
        July 24, 2020 at 10:05 am
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        or

        or

        cycles kills online

        (This is the one where we see killer cyclists )

         

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      • mdavidford
        July 24, 2020 at 10:06 am
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        I just read it as ‘cycles

        I just read it as ‘cycles kills online’.

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    • brooksby
      July 24, 2020 at 11:41 am
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      Hmm, OK.  So this was like

      Hmm, OK.  So this was like some sort of Rorschach test…?

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      • hawkinspeter
        July 24, 2020 at 12:06 pm
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        brooksby wrote:

        Hmm, OK.  So this was like some sort of Rorschach test…?

        — brooksby

        … and I’ll look down and whisper “No.”

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    • jollygoodvelo
      July 24, 2020 at 2:31 pm
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      Latest in a long list of

      Latest in a long list of poorly resolving online addresses/hashtags, from http://www.penisland.com (a writing implement specialist) to #susanalbumparty (relating to Susan Boyle’s new album release).

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      • hawkinspeter
        July 24, 2020 at 2:40 pm
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        jollygoodvelo wrote:

        Latest in a long list of poorly resolving online addresses/hashtags, from http://www.penisland.com (a writing implement specialist) to #susanalbumparty (relating to Susan Boyle’s new album release).

        — jollygoodvelo

        My favourite is Italy’s PowerGen site: powergenitalia.com

        (Though I’ve heard that PowerGen deny the site is anything to do with them and they don’t even have an Italian division)

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        • Jetmans Dad
          July 26, 2020 at 2:21 pm
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          Not a patch on …

          Not a patch on …

          therapist.com

          Which was a site for getting psychological therapy rather than any other potentially implied meaning. 

          Problem is there are a whole host of unfortunate URLs for those seeking to offer those services. A quick search threw up scalptherapist.com, righttherapist.com and the personalised rkntherapist.com. Sometimes using your job title for your URL needs a little forethought …

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  3. Hirsute
    July 24, 2020 at 10:01 am
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    Vigilante? Didn’t realise

    Vigilante? Didn’t realise cycling mikey was witness, judge, jury and executioner.

    Snitches get stitches

    Horrible little snitches all of them, just hateful because they’re not able to afford or drive a car.

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    • Oliver Killick
      July 24, 2020 at 10:43 am
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      You’re going to spit blood

      You’re going to spit blood when you find out about speed camera and CCTV…

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      • Hirsute
        July 24, 2020 at 10:58 am
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        Perhaps I can ask for my
        Perhaps I can ask for my other 2051 posts to be taken into consideration.

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    • EddyBerckx
      July 24, 2020 at 11:07 am
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      Fuck off
      /

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    • NorthEastJimmy
      July 24, 2020 at 11:59 am
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      What a pathetic little man

      What a pathetic little man/woman you are hirsute.  So there is only one reason people report others, because you think they’re unable to afford a car! 

      ‘Snitches get stitches’…come on then tough guy!  

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      • AlsoSomniloquism
        July 24, 2020 at 12:22 pm
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        I thought Hirsute was being

        I thought Hirsute was being sarky on other drivers comments, not actually meaning them himself. 

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      • Hirsute
        July 24, 2020 at 12:47 pm
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        Did you not think to read the

        Did you not think to read the second and third sentences in light of the first?

        Anyhow I saved you reading the DM twitter bollocks by extracting the worst ones I could find.

        See also https://road.cc/content/forum/edit-out-reflections-274931

         

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        • NorthEastJimmy
          July 24, 2020 at 1:06 pm
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          I’ll wind my neck in then! 

          I’ll wind my neck in then! blush

          I was a bit confused with the amount of posts you have to the attitude I thought you had.  Need to make it more clear you are quoting others, for dimwits like myself.

           

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          • Hirsute
            July 24, 2020 at 12:59 pm
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            I’ll use quote marks next

            I’ll use quote marks next time.

            I’m ditching my plan to get a ribble ebike – I could buy at least 4 cars for the price of that, then I can say I have a  fleet !

        • Gus T
          July 24, 2020 at 5:32 pm
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          Can I just say that I

          Can I just say that I understood your original sarcasm, is there something wrong with me?

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      • brooksby
        July 24, 2020 at 12:50 pm
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        NorthEastJimmy wrote:

        What a pathetic little man/woman you are hirsute.  So there is only one reason people report others, because you think they’re unable to afford a car! 

        ‘Snitches get stitches’…come on then tough guy!  

        — NorthEastJimmy

        Woooosh! 

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      • giff77
        July 24, 2020 at 5:56 pm
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        It appears you forgot to turn

        It appears you forgot to turn on your irony meter this morning. 

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    • hawkinspeter
      July 24, 2020 at 2:42 pm
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      I love a good bit of

      I love a good bit of snitching!

      Riding to work this morning (un-furloughed) and I had a scaffolding truck overtake me on the dual-carriageway section of the A370 in Weston-super-Mare and the passenger was shouting and gesticulating at me as they passed (didn’t hear or care what he was saying). Just looked up the number plate and it’s registered as SORN and no MOT details.

      If you’re going to have a dodgy vehicle, then maybe you should not attract the attention of others.

      Edit: Have now submitted to A&S police.

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      • Hirsute
        July 24, 2020 at 12:49 pm
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        If you do, I hope as a

        If you do, I hope as a penance, you will be cycling up Vale St many times to give yourself a stitch.

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        • hawkinspeter
          July 24, 2020 at 1:55 pm
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          hirsute wrote:

          If you do, I hope as a penance, you will be cycling up Vale St many times to give yourself a stitch.

          — hirsute

          I think it’ll be my legs that give out first.

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      • wtjs
        July 24, 2020 at 4:09 pm
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        hawkinspeter wrote:

        I love a good bit of snitching!

        Just looked up the number plate and it’s registered as SORN and no MOT details.

        Edit: Have now submitted to A&S police.

        — hawkinspeter

        If it was Lancashire, you could expect no action or response whatsoever- that comment would have been completely justified until this morning. While I was out the Lancashire F***h came round and put a card through my door. Suddenly, there’s now an emergency about a couple of offences committed on 13th February and reported online the next day, “because Covid has affected the courts”. Suddenly they have to have a statement and the  video, although there was previously no contact about the case and I assumed it was simply filed in the bin as usual. I think it’s a con, and I don’t see how this court action can possibly occur at this stage. The incident was over a month before the lockdown etc. You can’t trust or believe them!

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        • hawkinspeter
          July 24, 2020 at 5:36 pm
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          To be charitable to them,

          To be charitable to them, maybe they’re improving their handling of these offences and they’re now catching up with the backlog.

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        • Spokesperson
          July 24, 2020 at 10:01 pm
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          So did it happen, and was it

          So did it happen, and was it your vehicle, and were you driving, and did you go over the speed limit? Forgive me if I got wrong end of stick. But in that case doesn’t that mean you are telling us all you did it and (we hope) you are going to cough up and not do it again. I guess you must have a speedometer or an intelligent speed adaptation device in your vehicle to prevent such instances. And by the way, how many cases of speeding have you had “Simply filed in the bin as usual” before this instance?

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          • Spokesperson
            July 24, 2020 at 10:03 pm
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            Not to mention you seem to be

            Not to mention you seem to be driving over double lines, which is not allowed I think. So isn’t that two offences in one? Sweet!! What where you thinking of that day?

          • mdavidford
            July 25, 2020 at 7:50 am
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            I’m pretty sure you have got

            I’m pretty sure you have got the wrong end of the stick – wtjs is the one with the camera, not the one driving the car.

          • Hirsute
            July 25, 2020 at 8:52 am
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            That photo was from wtjs
            That photo was from wtjs camera from his bike
            Part of his long running battle with Lancashire police to take these sorts of incidents seriously.

          • LetsBePartOfTheSolution
            July 25, 2020 at 6:47 pm
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            However now the possibility

            However now the possibility has been mooted…. wouldn’t it be simpler if motorists did indeed shop themselves on this very website for offences such as crossing lines – along with accompanying incontrovertible evidence such as external shots of their vehicle in mid-contravention.

            Yes I Did It Mate of the Day

        • ibr17xvii
          July 25, 2020 at 9:41 am
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          Fair play if you can get

          Fair play if you can get anywhere with Lancs Constabulary with stuff like this cos I’ve never been able to. 
           

          So much so I’ve given up even trying. 

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          • wtjs
            July 25, 2020 at 5:56 pm
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            ibr17xvii wrote:

            Fair play if you can get anywhere with Lancs Constabulary with stuff like this cos I’ve never been able to. So much so I’ve given up even trying. 

            — ibr17xvii

            I’m still battling on! spokesperson below doesn’t seem to have thought this through, but I now know that this Polo is the one LC are on about. The other incident on the same report, which was a close pass and an unbroken line crossing, apparently replied to what I assume was a NIP but the Polo didn’t. I’m not told what happened to the other driver but it could be nothing (because LC doesn’t consider close passing cyclists to be an offence no matter how close and has never prosecuted anyone for it) or it could be the comedy driving course. I have loads of double white line crossing incidents worse than this on file which never received any response from LC. My suspicion is that this is just a pretend prosection, and no matter what I do over statements, providing video etc., the worst that could happen to the driver is the comedy driving course. However, we’ll see. I have now completed my statement over one of the red light crashing incidents which is supposed to be going to court. However, this is one of the less serious ones, and the 4 really bad ones of 20th June remain ‘too late to process’.

    • David9694
      July 24, 2020 at 8:24 pm
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      I did wonder if you’d been

      I did wonder if you’d been hacked or cloned by Socrati. 

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  4. eburtthebike
    July 24, 2020 at 10:54 am
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    Cycling Mikey and other

    Cycling Mikey and other cyclists who film and report illegal driving are just catching all those people who’ve been getting away with it for years.  It’s a bit like Black Lives Matter; now we’ve all got video cameras we can prove what has always been happening, while previously it was denied by those in power.

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  5. Notbuilt2climb
    July 24, 2020 at 1:15 pm
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    If you choose to break the

    If you choose to break the law and get caught (no matter how it was detected or reported), face the consequences, learn and adjust your behaviour. Don’t get angry. If you’re not directly involved (not the cyclist, driver or campaigner in this instance), don’t join in with comments that make you look a little foolish.  Think a little further forward than the outer edge of your ego.  Actions have consequences.

    Walking to work this morning, as I crossed a junction, a car was approaching the junction at a speed considerably faster than the 20mph limit.  I shook my head is disblief. As the car went past me and rounded the corner, the driver made some sarcy comment about me being OK before speeing off down the road.  But these people (Boy George included) will be the first to complain and get angry if they, or one of their family gets hit by a speeding or inattentive motorist.  

    Slow the ‘F’ down.  Or put speed bumps everywhere!!!

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    • brooksby
      July 24, 2020 at 3:35 pm
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      Notbuilt2climb wrote:

      If you choose to break the law and get caught (no matter how it was detected or reported), face the consequences, learn and adjust your behaviour. Don’t get angry.

      — Notbuilt2climb

      Exactly.  To all those motorists who claim that speed cameras are just out to get them and its a tax on the Hard Pressed Motorist (TM) or part of the War On The Motorist (also TM) – here’s a tip: just don’t break the speed limit!

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  6. Hirsute
    July 24, 2020 at 1:37 pm
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    Thought I’d drop some left

    Thought I’d drop some left leaning selections in as we don’t have enough of those here.

    “Nobody condones driving & using a mobile !My point is the irony of a cyclist taking a pic of someone in their car !Why weren’t his hands on his handlebars ? Tragically cyclists have killed people too & should comply with the Road Traffic Act !! Many in London are causing havoc !”

    Dame Jacqueline (fmr MEP)

     

    “That’s my point, you don’t text when you drive, period; but if the car is at a light that just turned red and you are in a long queue and something urgent is going on, you should be able to text responsibly”

    Sabine

    How about not texting at all? That sounds the most responsible thing to do.

    See also cyclingmikey quote from the 0941 section

     

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  7. LastBoyScout
    July 24, 2020 at 2:02 pm
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    It’s no surprise people cycle

    It’s no surprise people cycle through Reading town centre.

    Minster Street and parts of Friar street are one way and essentially bus lanes anyway.

    It’s shared access through the Oracle, but just as busy with pedestrians.

    The alternatives are much further out, largely dual carriageway, partly 40mph and you’re mixing with lorries and slip roads.

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  8. mdavidford
    July 24, 2020 at 3:55 pm
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    Eggscrutiating.

    Eggscrutiating.

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    • hawkinspeter
      July 24, 2020 at 6:42 pm
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      mdavidford wrote:

      Eggscrutiating.

      — mdavidford

      I was going to learn French, but only got as far as learning the word for an egg. I think that’s an oeuf.

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      • eburtthebike
        July 24, 2020 at 7:22 pm
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        hawkinspeter wrote:

        Eggscrutiating.

        — hawkinspeter

        I was going to learn French, but only got as far as learning the word for an egg. I think that’s an oeuf.

        — mdavidford

        Why are French bread thieves never caught?

         

        They’re painstaking.

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  9. Gus T
    July 24, 2020 at 5:37 pm
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    Can someone clarify Boy

    Can someone clarify Boy George’s attitude, is he saying that reporting a motorist texting whilst driving is wrong but holding someone prisoner and forcing them to be a sex slave is alright.  Did he not note that Guy Ritchie also had 9 points for speeding. What an arrogant t0553r 

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    • Organon
      July 24, 2020 at 10:02 pm
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      Oh but don’t you know Boy

      Oh but don’t you know Boy George was redeemed, by going on telly, wearing hats and talking about singing. This is all part of Guy’s ‘arc.’

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  10. LetsBePartOfTheSolution
    July 24, 2020 at 9:45 pm
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    I want to just send huge

    I want to just send huge respect out to Cycling Mikey. 
    Some people’s reactions, out there in the world, seem complacent to all the offences he his catching. For me: don’t even get in your vehicle if you’re not going to drive with complete attention and consideration. The stakes are too high to treat it as a background task, whilst your mind is focused elsewhere. Nor to take risks and chances.
    Looking today at the Cycling Mikey back catalogue of incidents he’s captured – I’ve got to say he’s unflappable, and always makes an intelligent case as to what the driver has done wrong, despite him then sometimes being on the receiving end of some pretty unnecessary hostile treatment for his troubles. I don’t think I would have had the courage to stand my ground in some of those encounters.
    I have no connection or vested interests  – other than I also want to see the roads made safer: ideally by people’s attitudes changing upfront. In 2020, do people really still need to be told/punished in order not to use their handheld mobiles whilst driving. Do people really need someone else to be the one to stop them driving over on the wrong side of the road to cut a corner rather than they wait in the line of traffic until they reach their junction. You can see similar risk-taking every day right across the country.
    So I fully support Cycling Mikey in catching all these infractions, as clearly some drivers don’t understand why the rules are there, or perhaps think that the rules don’t apply to them. The injury and death on the roads is too serious for just giving people some slack for driving offences. So if a driver still wants to break the law despite all that, then I’m really pleased they’re getting filmed by public-spirited individuals, and that the evidence is being reported to the police. And shame on people who overlook the offending but take umbrage with the reporting of it.

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    • Nagai74
      July 26, 2020 at 2:21 pm
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      If you abide by the rules

      If you abide by the rules then you have no fear of what anyone does with camera footage of you, whatever you’re doing.

      I think that many drivers know that they’re very unlikely to bump into a police car on the road, so have no problem with jumping red lights/close passes, etc.

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  11. Nagai74
    July 25, 2020 at 10:48 am
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    I was blocked on Twitter by

    I was blocked on Twitter by CyclingMikey, for daring to disagree that if you are riding down a busy road on a mountain bike, front wheel hoiked in the air, then you are not in full control of your bike.

    He appears to be one of those people that can’t engage in a discussion if someone else has a differing point of view.

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    • Simon E
      July 25, 2020 at 1:37 pm
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      And the relevance of this?

      And the relevance of this? (presuming it’s true)

      Meanwhile why not tell us what you are doing personally to highlight or improve the standard of driving on our roads?

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      • Nagai74
        July 26, 2020 at 11:41 am
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        Relevant as the article is

        Relevant as the article is about Cycling Mikey? I can dig the tweets out for you if you like?

        As for what I’m doing to improve the standard of cycling on our roads, when I’m on two wheels or four, I’m abiding by the rules of the road. 

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        • Simon E
          July 26, 2020 at 12:05 pm
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          You’re abiding by the rules?

          You’re abiding by the rules? Well I guess it’s a start, and better than every single lawbreaker that Mikey reports to the police.

          But him blocking you on twitter is not pertinent as far as I can tell. My MP blocks many of his constituents for daring to ask questions about his behaviour. I find that rather more concerning.

          Instead of whining on here about it (which could be seen as an attack on his character) perhaps consider that Mikey just might not need your input in his timeline. You could always stop viewing his tweets and move onto other things. Plenty more fish in the twitter sea.

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          • Nagai74
            July 26, 2020 at 2:19 pm
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            Yes, I can’t dop my job if I

            Yes, I can’t do my job if I can’t drive, so I value my licence, and abide by the rules.

            I don’t follow him on Twitter (he did follow me until he blocked me), I can’t see what he posts on Twitter (and really couldn’t care less about reading his posts), but I guess that you could take it as a reflection on his character (not an attack), that he blocks people that don’t agree with his rather narrow view on subjects. I tend not to get drawn into arguments on Twitter, but he took offence at me saying that a group of cyclists wheelying down a busy road were a danger to themselves and other road users. 

            Would you consider yourself in total control of your bicycle if you were wheelying down the road? 

          • hawkinspeter
            July 26, 2020 at 2:53 pm
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            Nagai74 wrote:

            Yes, I can’t do my job if I can’t drive, so I value my licence, and abide by the rules.

            I don’t follow him on Twitter (he did follow me until he blocked me), I can’t see what he posts on Twitter (and really couldn’t care less about reading his posts), but I guess that you could take it as a reflection on his character (not an attack), that he blocks people that don’t agree with his rather narrow view on subjects. I tend not to get drawn into arguments on Twitter, but he took offence at me saying that a group of cyclists wheelying down a busy road were a danger to themselves and other road users. 

            Would you consider yourself in total control of your bicycle if you were wheelying down the road? 

            — Nagai74

            Personally, I’m not concerned with his character – he’s documenting poor driving and enhancing road safety by doing so which is good enough for me.

            I don’t think wheelying groups of cyclists are much of a concern – I’ve never heard of anyone injured by them and I’d guess that most collisions involve a bit of bruising and not much else. I used to ride a unicycle (on roads and pavements) and that’s very similar to wheelying and I was very much in control. It’s one of those things that you can’t really do accidentally for any length of time. The closest I came to a collision was when I was on a pavement and a 5-6 year old decided to run towards me – instant controlled dismount from me (step off and catch the seat behind you in a fluid movement) and the parent apologised (not that they needed to).

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Rendel Harris 40 minutes ago

@Mr Blackbird Fair points, though I was wondering if doing the climb and descent on a standard bike and swapping to TT for the flat section would have been worth it? Certainly quite a few riders seemed to be having handling difficulties maintaining the best line on the descent with their TT machines.

in: “Good for the f*** all training I do on this bike”: Tom Pidcock loses time on “scary” descent but happy with “best TT I’ve ever done” at Tour de France
Mr Blackbird 55 minutes ago

No. The climb wasn't severely steep and allowed a reasonable speed to be maintained on a TT bike, his bike handling skills on road or TT bike are outstanding for the descent and on a road bike he would have lost a lot of time on the flat last 9k section. Terrific performance by him though!

in: “Good for the f*** all training I do on this bike”: Tom Pidcock loses time on “scary” descent but happy with “best TT I’ve ever done” at Tour de France
Pub bike 10 hours ago

Would he have performed better on his normal bike?

in: “Good for the f*** all training I do on this bike”: Tom Pidcock loses time on “scary” descent but happy with “best TT I’ve ever done” at Tour de France
wtjs 11 hours ago

the National Bus and Rail Union told the Oireachtas (Irish Parliament) the following month, saying the requirements (making the cyclist scum wear helmets and HiViz) would, “make the roads a safer place, as it would make potential hazards easier to spot.” Nothing to do with driver behaviour then? Stagecoach is even putting intimidating threats against cyclists on the side of the buses now! ttps://upride.cc/incident/px60beo_stagecoach41-closepass/

in: “Fewer people cycling or scooting does not make roads safer”: Minister criticised for suggesting Irish Government would consider mandatory hi-vis and helmets for all cyclists
eburtthebike 11 hours ago

.......the government was focused on the “enormity of the e-scooter problem” Just wait until they find out how absolutely effing gigantic the car problem is. The whole thing is just motornormativity at government level, and while Ciarán Cannon talks sense, Seán Canney is fecking eejit.

in: “Fewer people cycling or scooting does not make roads safer”: Minister criticised for suggesting Irish Government would consider mandatory hi-vis and helmets for all cyclists
Rendel Harris 13 hours ago

40% of fatal road incidents (70 deaths p.a.) in Ireland involve excess alcohol. Pass a law mandating compulsory alcohol interlocks for all motor vehicles and see what that does for road safety first.

in: “Fewer people cycling or scooting does not make roads safer”: Minister criticised for suggesting Irish Government would consider mandatory hi-vis and helmets for all cyclists
Rendel Harris 15 hours ago

@mitsky I didn't say it was applicable in this case or that I thought it should be, I was simply answering your question as to whether anyone had ever shot someone and been charged with anything other than murder or attempted murder, to which the answer is yes.

in: Pro boxer Hannah Rapp killed while cycling by road rage driver who deliberately reversed into her, police in Texas say
Rendel Harris 15 hours ago

@perce The new troll, my friend, is solely piss and wind, the new troll is solely piss and wind.

in: Police seize and destroy delivery cyclist’s legal e-bike hired through council-funded scheme after “bogus” test – but officers claim rider didn’t have insurance
Xenophon2 15 hours ago

Very correct price for a basic, no-frills frameset. Older and wiser -after a warranty case on a '100 year' Ti frameset that lasted 5 years before a drive side chain stay weld said sayonara- I'll never again purchase a really high cost Ti frame. If the replacement -3999 Euro at retail but I paid 800, which is what it took for them to +- honour the warranty- fails, I'm done. Firstly because they do fail. Titanium is very finicky where welding conditions are concerned and good luck with that warranty, better read the wording very carefully. Secondly, often the price is justified with 'it's a frame for life'. Errrr....yes, unless you decide you want something different after 5 years, it breaks or technology evolves to a point where your frameset becomes aa anachronism and after 10 years you can start hunting for spares(UDH and disc brakes, anyone?). Third: I'm getting a bit tired reading about these so-called 'magical' properties of Ti. The only magical thing about it is the corrosion resistance. All that absorbing of vibrations etc is mainly function of frame design/geometry. If you want vibration damping: larger tires, lower pressure, done.

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darnac 15 hours ago

True,but I can't count thé number of times I've seen him on TV as an invited expert for comments since

in: Judge signed off on Tadej Pogačar and Jonas Vingegaard’s nighttime doping tests due to “serious suspicions” before Tour de France, according to reports

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