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Police issue lights and hi-vis to cyclists instead of a fine to get home “safely”; Jeremy Vine says red-light jumping cyclists are “great adverts for cycling”; CyclingMikey blasts “psychopaths” gleeing at cyclist being run over + more on the live blog

It’s Thanksgiving Thursday, but there will be no fowl play on the cycling live blog with Adwitiya... Hop on and stuff yourself with all the latest news and non-sense from cycling world!

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23 November 2023, 09:05
Police stop cyclists without lights, and issue “lights and hi-vis rucksack instead of a fine” so they can “get home safely and legally”

Round up, everyone! It's the latest police operation episode on the road.cc live blog.

Name of the game? "Be Bright, Be Seen" launched by Oxfordshire's Fire and Rescue Service's Road Safety Team, together with Thames Valley Police & Brookes University staff, with the former posting on social media that all of them "worked together to highlight the importance of cyclists doing all they can to make themselves more visible to other road users".

They said that they stopped cyclists riding without any lights or hi-vis around Oxford Brookes after dark and instead of handing them a £30 fine, they were issued with temporary lights and hi-vis rucksacks, so that they could "get home legally and safely".

Very generous, very Christmas-y! Not sure if the cyclists were feeling thankful yesterday (sorry it's only allowed to be thankful today, or something like that as they do across the pond)... But hey, see everyone? That's a clear declaration of the war on the motorists!

Of course that's not me saying it, but people on social media who claimed that this was not a fair outcome as cyclists got to "break the law and get away with it".

Sean Stone on Facebook wrote: "So they break the law and they know it!! Then they get free rucksack & lights, maybe they should just give them a on the spot fine and a fine for no common sense!!!"

Paul Macca had some advice for the police: "Fine them, and make them attend a station within a certain time frame to prove they have lights. So dangerous around Oxford in the evening, The police need to set up by the plain roundabout, the majority of cyclists using it don’t have lights."

David Janes even suggested confiscating the cycles until the cyclists could prove that they have bought lights.

And yet others claimed that taxpayers' money was being wasted, with a Twitter account with the username @Innkeeper55 commenting: "What an absolute joke and a waste of tax payers money! If they’re breaking the law they should be fined, not rewarded with a gift".

However, there were a few voices who disagreed, another user on Twitter writing: "Good job! Setting the right example, in the first instance, is more important than punishment. Hopefully these cyclist learn and remind others."

Meanwhile, some also believed that it was "victim blaming at its best." One Twitter account user wrote: "Drivers should slow down, get off their phone and look out for cyclists and all vulnerable road users," while another questioned the Fire and Rescue Team: "How many fines issued to close-passing drivers?"

Of course, being a sensitive issue, I am going to step aside and let you all discuss the topic. Do you think handing lights and hi-vis sets the right example and makes roads safer all around, than slapping cyclists with a fine, or is it just a continuation of blaming cyclists for their own safety? Let me know in the comments!

23 November 2023, 17:34
"Dangerous" cyclists "entirely unaccountable" and should have number plates, argues former Met Police chief

Here we go again...

Number plate

The discussion around number plates for cyclists has been reignited today in the House of Lords, the former Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, Lord Hogan-Howe, claiming that to tackle danger cyclists should need "a registration plate somewhere on the back" in order to avoid being "entirely unaccountable".

"I fear that my list of people who are dangerous is longer than just people who have electric scooters and electrically charged cycles," he said. "I fear that cyclists, particularly in London, seem to be entirely unaccountable.

Read more: > "Dangerous" cyclists "entirely unaccountable" and should have number plates, argues former Met Police chief

And the controversies just won't stop today!

23 November 2023, 17:15
Jan Ullrich in 2004 Image by Moritz Petersen
"Yes I doped": Jan Ullrich comes clean ahead of release of new documentary series

Cycling documentary series seems to be all people want these days! So who's the latest one about? The "eternal" second, the Yoyo, Der Kaiser, the one and only Jan Ullrich. And the 49-year-old has finally spoken out about his doping past.

"Yes, I did dope," he said on Wednesday evening during a panel discussion on the sidelines of the presentation of the documentary series "Jan Ullrich - The Hunted", reports Spiegel which will be available to watch on Amazon Prime Video from November 28th.

He admitted the D-word! Big shock? Rider does something everyone was doing! That'll get the people talking surely!

> "I didn't want to be a traitor": Jan Ullrich talks doping and personal suffering ahead of release of documentary into his life

Ullrich continued: "If I had told my story, I could have won many good years. I didn't have the balls. It's really good to say it."

Jan Ullrich riding for T-Mobile (picture credit Heidas:Wikimedia Commons).jpg

The Vuelta and Tour winner first made contact with the now infamous doping doctor Eufemiano Fuentes from Spain in the summer of 2003. "I wanted to win and build on my successes. I had a new team at the time and Dr Fuentes was recommended to me. That's how I ended up there," he said.

He added that shortly before the start of the 2006 Tour de France, this connection was to be Ullrich's undoing - he was excluded from his T-Mobile team and finally ended his career in 2007.

However, the 1997 Tour de France winner emphasised that the blood doping was only "the last straw" from a sporting point of view.

"You still have to have huge talent, still be hard-working and subordinate your whole life to it." Ullrich wasn't worried about his health at the time - "because everything was medically controlled. In the end, it was my own blood that I had taken - something natural," he said.

However, what's even more shocking is that other forms of unauthorised performance enhancement were already commonplace at the beginning of Ullrich's professional career in 1995, as Ullrich said: "It started with me in 1996. When I came into contact with it, there were already substances that could not be controlled. It had already been in cycling for a few years. Cycling already had a problem back then."

Well, let's just hope no current vanguards of the peloton come under the clouds of doping dubiousness recently? Hmm, let me have a quick read of yesterday's blog...

> Jonas Vingegaard reveals he has missed anti-doping test on his record, insists "I don't take anything, and I don't think that the rest of the peloton does either"

Well now, I really don't want to jinx it...

23 November 2023, 16:42
Comments roundup: Your reaction to all the controversies on today's blog

Some passionate comments today from the viral video of the trick cyclist getting hit by an "annoyed" driver...

Matthew Acton-Varian: "As controversial and unpopular as Cycling Mikey might be, his points are absolutely valid.
If the youth was eratically driving a car, you wouldn't use your own vehicle to ram them into "teaching them a lesson", becuase Insurers would declare it your fault and might not pay out, and the police would call it aggravated assault using a motor vehicle.
That incident should be no different.
If you can give dangerous drivers a wide berth (because it's what you're bloody told to do when you learn to drive) then you can do it with erratic VRUs.
Drivers should have to take a new theory test every time their licence is due for renewal, and shouldn't be renewed until they pass."

brooksby: "With the kid doing skillz on a road at night: what sort of sociopath thinks, "That kid's being really annoying so I'll nudge him with my SUV"??   I do not believe for one moment that the driver failed to see the kid."

Some interesting thoughts on Jeremy Vine calling red-light jumping cyclist a "great advert for cyclists":

marmotte27: "JV has a point. Not that the hard of thinking would understand it though..."

mitsky: "The JV/RLJ issue reminds me, tangentially, of the difference we saw when the Elephant and Castle roundabouts were redesigned. First with red lights then with proper segregation for cyclists.
As someone who was able to manage the original design by watching what was happening around me I was mildly annoyed at both developments as it actually confused me and slowed me down. Yes I know that safety was paramount and it helps those who might not have chosen to cycle through there, especially as the original layout was considered to be the most dangerous junction in London. So I'm happy with the increase in cycling it will have led to.
It just made me realise that rather than almost blindly following the new infrastructure I was more mindfull and aware of my surroundings on the old layout.
Which is good practice overall as we won't always be in such situations here."

And finally, some very level-headed (would expect nothing short from our enlightened readers!) comments abouts the highlight of today's blog, police force stopping cyclists after dark and handing them temporary lights and hi-vis rucksacks instead of a fine...

Car Delenda Est: "I could be in favour of a very small fine for those without lights/reflectors (not those with lights that are broken/out of battery/turned off) that could be waived if you send them a picture of your bike with working lights/reflectors, take the bike to the station, or send them a receipt for some lights/reflectors."

Hirsuite: "Sounds a good outcome on the lights. It's important to have lights at night - I certainly want some warning a cyclist is ahead."

Tom_77: "With the free lights, I understand the concern about "rewarding" people for breaking the law. But it seems like a pragmatic approach. The fire brigade won't have the authority to hand out penalty notices. The police would have to do it, and I don't think that would be a good use of resources."

OnYerBike: "I note the Twitter post says the cyclist was given "temporary" lights - it is quite possible they are required to return those lights and demonstrate they have bought some of their own. I know the police in Cambridge have done something similar. As for "break[ing] the law and get away with it" I assume the person who made that comment never exceeds the speed limit even slightly? If so, statistics suggest they are in the minority."

Fursty Ferret: "I applaud this approach, which is far better than a lazy Twitter post saying "wear high viz". I don't think that as cyclists we should be exempt from all laws, and using lights at night is common sense. Sensible and safe outcome. 
The people whinging about it on social media seem to be ignoring the fact that driving offenses are rarely prosecuted and normally result in a generic warning letter unless someone is killed or seriously injured."

Also some inspired discussion about Ncuti Gatwa, Doctor Who, Sex Education, Barbie, and Matt Smith! No place on the internet as road.cc comments thread!

23 November 2023, 16:39
"A light-hearted joke": Labour shadow transport secretary addresses backlash over cycling comments
Louise Haigh (Parliamentary portrait)

The shadow transport secretary and Labour Party MP for Sheffield Heeley, Louise Haigh, has addressed criticism from cyclists, campaigners and road safety figures that followed her interview comments about active travel policies, 20mph speed limits and low-traffic neighbourhoods.

> "A light-hearted joke": Labour shadow transport secretary addresses backlash over cycling comments

23 November 2023, 16:22
Black Friday 2023BF23-Live Blog-1
Well, you know what day it is tomorrow... Maybe it's okay to give in to this festivity celebrating the capitalist hellscape we live in (sometimes)?

Hello hello! It's Black Friday tomorrow. You know, the day when all big corps try to lure you into buying things you probably don't need with subpar deals front, left, right and centre? 

But then there comes something which may not be subpar, and it's you've been itching to get your hands on but were just waiting for the right moment... Well hooray, the right moment is now and we've rounding up all the deals on the internet which are actually worth your time and maybe, money? So let's get through this together, shall we?

> Best early Black Friday cycling deals blog: Proviz cycling jackets down to £40, 30-piece Draper Allen key set just £12.49, BIG savings on Cannondale Synapse & SuperSix Evo, half price on everything at Altura, Le Col kit savings + more

23 November 2023, 15:54
Toms Skujiņš trying not to die in the off-season ft. skinny tyres and narrow bars
23 November 2023, 15:34
More controversy for today's blog... Cycling Mikey calls people laughing at a driver running down a trick cyclist on road as "absolute psychopaths"

Some people will call this adding to the controversy, but it all matters on how you perceive the situation. 

CyclingMikey, another road.cc live blog regular, shared this video of a driver knocking down a cyclist showing off tricks in the middle of the road, calling people who gleed at the outcome as "absolute psychopaths" and that running people over sitting in your SUVs was just wrong. 

"Teenagers do annoying stuff, doesn't mean that you can run them over," he wrote.

Obviously his post was met with sceptics who didn't agree with the sentiment. "He is clearly not visible and is breaking the law on having no lights/reflectors," wrote Ellis O'Brien.

Another person said that he agreed with Van Erp (his real name) that the glee was out of order, but counterargued that it was dangerous in the first place to perform tricks on a busy A road in the dark with no lights and that he also veered right at last minute. 

However, Mikey replied: "Just leave more time and space when you see an erratic road user. Unless you think you own the road and are entitled to knock them off."

How do you feel about this whole incident? Let us know in the comments.

23 November 2023, 13:29
Under-fire mayor accused of "abysmal failure" to rip out "disastrous" cycle lane insists works will go ahead once council can afford it
Linthorpe Road, Middlesbrough (Kevin Marks, Twitter)

A regional mayor under pressure to deliver a key election pledge to remove a cycle lane — estimated to have cost £1.7 million and accused of causing injuries to cyclists and pedestrians, as well as failing to prevent motorists parking in it — has insisted it will be scrapped, but only once the council has the money to do so.

During his May election campaign Chris Cooke branded the infrastructure an "absolute disaster" after it was condemned for causing injuries to cyclists and pedestrians while also failing to deter motorists from driving or parking in it...

Read more: > Under-fire mayor accused of "abysmal failure" to rip out "disastrous" cycle lane insists works will go ahead once council can afford it

23 November 2023, 12:33
"Bloody hell, call the angle grinder man!": Is this (no, really!) the worst barrier ever?

Over the years at road.cc, we have come across a couple of truly, astonishingly, shockingly, even blasphemously designed inhumane pieces of infrastructure that not just seek to exclude cyclists, but also alienate people with disabilities or those in the elder age groups. Let's run back a few of them, shall we?

Most recently, this kissing gate in Worcester, which sent a family of four around and left a cyclist labelling it as "utter shambles and non-inclusive".

Kissing gate on shared-use path in Trotshill, Worcester (image: @BrianGilliver)

Then this piece which was labelled as "discriminatory" by University of Salford's noteed researcher on inclusive active travel, Harrie Larrington-Spencer, who also accused Stockport Council of trying to "worm its way out" of making sure that all cycling and walking routes are accessible.

Harrie Larrington-Spencer - Stockport Council (photo credit - Harrie Larrington-Spencer)

Then these bollards in Milton-Keynes brought to our attention by Steve Abraham, most known for his long distance record riding attempts who also doubles up as a deliver rider, which were too narrow for cargo bike trailers... also supplied by the council.

New bollards on Milton Keynes cycle routes (Steve Abraham)

And of course, cycling's original bad gateway, made forever infamous by road.cc user HoarseMann during a period of rough time for this website...

502 bad gateway (HoarseMann)

In my opinion, all these might pale in comparison to what Wheels for Wellbeing, a disabled people’s cycling organisation campaigning for equity in active travel, posted on Twitter.

Who thought adding an A frame to an already inaccessible for many triple chicane gate was a good idea? Thankfully, the campaign group informed that they have contacted the local authority and are working to get this path made accessible to LTN 1/20 standards.

I mean, can someone please explain what is this and who came up with it please? To make things worse, the account confirmed that this is in an urban location, so pretty sure that rules gatekeeping cattle out!

The campaign wrote: "People have noted that countryside access often includes stiles & inaccessible sections. Fortunately, this Least Restrictive Access guidance from PathsforAll helps land managers remove restrictive countryside barriers too. And the pictured barrier is urban."

We wish them luck in getting these barriers taken down and hopefully replaced by something more prudent!

23 November 2023, 12:11
Forget cargo mounts, it's all about aero in this stunning gravel machine
2023 Bianchi Impulso gravel bike1

I don't know about you, but I've always had a sweet spot for Bianchi bikes. It's something, I can't really explain, that just feels the perfect marriage of efficiency, style, tradition and innovation. Or maybe I just love the colourway!

Anyway, the Impulso RC gravel racing bike is Bianchi's foray nto the world of gravel racing. Positioned as the pinnacle of the updated Impulso gravel range, this new model reflects Bianchi's aim to distinguish between adventure-oriented gravel bikes and those tailored for high-performance racing.

Read more on off.road.cc: > Bianchi unveils Impulso RC – an aero-inspired gravel bike

23 November 2023, 11:16
"We've been calling for a safe cycle lane for six years": Lack of protected cycling infrastructure putting schoolchildren in danger, councillor argues
Western Distributor Road, Galway (Google Maps)

A councillor has spoken out about the "risky" lack of safe cycling infrastructure on a major road that runs near five schools and argued that the situation is so bad he would not let his children cycle to school alone.

Demanding action and pointing out that "we've been calling for a safe cycle lane for six years", Galway City councillor Alan Curran, representing the Social Democrats in the Irish city, said the current painted lines "don't offer the protection our children need".

"I won't let my kids cycle to school alone; it's just too risky," Curran said. "We've been calling for a safe cycle lane for six years. The current painted lines don't offer the protection our children need. There's ample space on both sides for proper cycle lanes without removing any road space or footpath width.

Read more: > "We've been calling for a safe cycle lane for six years": Lack of protected cycling infrastructure putting schoolchildren in danger, councillor argues

23 November 2023, 11:06
Mathieu van der Poel's CX World Champion Canyon bike

MvdP challenge: Win cyclocross title without losing BOA dial.

23 November 2023, 10:41
Are red-light jumping cyclists "great adverts" for cycling? Jeremy Vine seems to think so...

I know Jeremy Vine has become so frequent with his 360-degree headcams that his usual visits to our live blog have become less frequent. But the Channel 5 presenter might have casually dropped something so controversial that it's a bit harder to ignore this time.

If you haven't noticed recently, along with the usual 'bad driver' videos, Jeremy Vine has also been doing some 'bad cyclist' ones here and there. His latest one, posted late last night, seemed to be merely one so.

A cyclist can be seen approach another group of cyclists waiting on their bikes for the light to turn green, but then he weighs his options, sees a gap between the two in front, and makes a go for it, getting tangled almost falling, all before the light turned green.

Just how Ayrton Senna had said, "If you don't go for a gap that exists, you're not a cyclist anymore." (I could be remembering the quote wrong)

But instead of, you know, blaming the cyclist, Jeremy Vine instead went on and said that this is actually a "great advert for cycling", because "if he's in a car, we are all dead".

So here we are today, it's time to debate red lights for cyclists once again!

> "If you don’t like cyclists going through red lights, support proper cycling infrastructure": Calls for better cycling infrastructure after cyclists jumping lights goes viral

It's a topic much widely discussed on road.cc, as in many other places. If enough pedestrians and cyclists share the road, does it make active travel faster and safer?

But as we know, Amsterdam — one of the best cities for cycling in the world, has in the past experimented with doing away with traffic signals altogether, and with some success.

Until 2016, one of the Dutch capital’s busiest intersections at Sarphatistraat-Alexanderplein was controlled by traffic lights, with cyclists, the predominant users in Amsterdam as in a lot of Dutch cities.

The test was part of a larger mobility strategy across the city to make more room for cyclists and pedestrians, meaning limiting access and space for private vehicles. The new setup forced people to engage with their surroundings: Instead of relying on traffic lights, they now relied on their own abilities and the cues of others.

Over the period of a year, it was seen that cyclists had become more aware of their surroundings and of other road users. In less than two weeks, the evolution was already observed on Alexanderplein.

Delay times were reduced and safety remained unaffected, showing that regulation can lead to responsible and alert road users. It was so successful that the pilot was extended and a few months later the lights were completely removed, and even led to the junction’s redesign.

You know who else has also suggested this plan? Conservative Party's mayoral candidate Dan Korski, who had also vowed to end Sadiq Khan’s “attack on drivers” by unveiling a milieu of radical traffic changes, including ending segregated bike lanes, 20mph speed limits, ULEZ and low traffic neighbourhoods.

Again, as with every blog post, there is no right or wrong answer here. I'm interested to see what you think about Jeremy Vine's approach, will it do good for cycling/cyclists or is it just more clickbaity social media shenanigan?

23 November 2023, 09:57
Umm... BBC has been taken over by the Daleks?

You read that right. It's 60 years of Doctor Who, and to celebrate one of the longest, most successful and just all-around brilliant shows of all time, BBC Breakfast was being hosted by some Daleks.

Umm... You know? One of the Doctor's oldest nemeses, the deeply hateful, xenophobic aliens literally based on Nazis?

"Well that's unusual... Hello!"

Anyway, here's me celebrating Ryan Sinclair trying to learn a bike and accidentally summoning the Thirteenth Doctor (please don't start throwing your Treks off a cliff to summon another please, also I really like Ncuti Gatwa!).

Ryan Sinclair learning to cycle, Doctor Who (BBC)

Adwitiya joined road.cc in 2023 as a news writer after graduating with a masters in journalism from Cardiff University. His dissertation focused on active travel, which soon threw him into the deep end of covering everything related to the two-wheeled tool, and now cycling is as big a part of his life as guitars and football. He has previously covered local and national politics for Voice Wales, and also likes to writes about science, tech and the environment, if he can find the time. Living right next to the Taff trail in the Welsh capital, you can find him trying to tackle the brutal climbs in the valleys.

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spen | 8 months ago
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Once again the kissing gate has a radar lock on it.  £4 for two from mazon.  problem solved but then there'd be nothing to whinge about

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Dogless replied to spen | 8 months ago
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You're dead right. All those people using hand cycles because their legs don't work well enough to walk should just hop off their bike, drag themselves to the gate, open it, somehow prop it open, get back onto their bike and ride through. Problem solved.
I'm able bodied and struggled to get a cargo bike through a gate with a radar lock key.

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Matthew Acton-Varian | 8 months ago
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As controversial and unpopular as Cycling Mikey might be, his points are absolutely valid.

If the youth was eratically driving a car, you wouldn't use your own vehicle to ram them into "teaching them a lesson", becuase Insurers would declare it your fault and might not pay out, and the police would call it aggravated assault using a motor vehicle.

That incident should be no different.

If you can give dangerous drivers a wide berth (because it's what you're bloody told to do when you learn to drive) then you can do it with erratic VRUs.

Drivers should have to take a new theory test every time their licence is due for renewal, and shouldn't be renewed until they pass.

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HoldingOn replied to Matthew Acton-Varian | 8 months ago
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Matthew Acton-Varian wrote:

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If the youth was eratically driving a car, you wouldn't use your own vehicle to ram them into "teaching them a lesson", ...

That incident should be no different.

I agree with your sentiment, but I would argue it should be different. In a car, the misbehaving yoof would have significantly more protection from another car. This is a much more shocking and dangerous act, than a car-on-car crash.

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marmotte27 | 8 months ago
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JV has a point. Not that the hard of thinking would understand it though...

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brooksby | 8 months ago
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With the kid doing skillz on a road at night: what sort of sociopath thinks, "That kid's being really annoying so I'll nudge him with my SUV"??  I do not believe for one moment that the driver failed to see the kid.

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Hirsute replied to brooksby | 8 months ago
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Little shit had it coming.

Sorry, I have been reading too much twitterX and daily fail ! Have been brainwashed.

The driver was jealous I reckon !

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HLaB | 8 months ago
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"@Innkeeper55 commenting: "What an absolute joke and a waste of tax payers money!"

With road accidents costing the UK in the region of £36bn per year (over £2 million for a fatal accident, £220,000 for a serious injury accident and £25,000 for a slight accident).  Spending £30 on education and potentialy preventing them is far from a waste!

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Adam Sutton | 8 months ago
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Is that a barrier or a throwback to the Krypton factor assault course?

How anyone can walk away from that thinking job well done is beyond me.

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brooksby replied to Adam Sutton | 8 months ago
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Looking at the tarmac, I presume that they put the chicane in and it didn't stop scooterists so they've come back and put the A frame in.

How would you even get a 'normal' bike through there?  You'd certainly never get a cargo bike or a recumbent or a trike through.

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Adam Sutton replied to brooksby | 8 months ago
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I think you could also add parents with a pushchair and possibly even OAPs with a pull along tartan shopping trolley to list who cannot get through, it's so bad!

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chrisonabike replied to brooksby | 8 months ago
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How many mobility vehicles would fit through there?  I've seen something like this about - although I'm not sure of the classification.

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momove replied to brooksby | 8 months ago
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It's atrocious! I'm an able-bodied fit(ish) adult riding a medium size hybrid bike and looking at that picture I think I'd struggle to get through. I'd definitely struggle with my kid and the child seat on the back.

That thing has no place where people are moving about.

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Secret_squirrel | 8 months ago
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Battery Angle Grinders

Does anyone (apart from the bike thieves) have any practical experience using them?

How long would it take to remove some of those barriers with one?

Some of them are begging for Direct Action.

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Adam Sutton replied to Secret_squirrel | 8 months ago
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You'd only need to take out the single barrier on the right to make a difference, I am sure a battery would last that long.

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stonojnr | 8 months ago
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The Senna quote was Ayrton trying to justify why he crashed into Prost at about 120mph, to take the world championship, a year later he admitted he'd lied it not being intentional.

It might not be the best quote to base your view on. The cycling equivalent would be using Lance Armstrong to justify doping because every one else was doing it and he never failed a test.

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brooksby | 8 months ago
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OMG can Jeremy Vine PLEASE just stop with all the extra animations and pasting in meme clips...?! 

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Hirsute replied to brooksby | 8 months ago
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He lurks on here and does it now just to annoy you.

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brooksby replied to Hirsute | 8 months ago
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Hirsute wrote:

He lurks on here and does it now just to annoy you.

yes

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Patrick9-32 replied to brooksby | 8 months ago
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He makes these videos for you so its reasonable for you to tell him how to make them to suit what your preferences are. 

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mattw | 8 months ago
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I think there might be a palce for a fine which pays for the lights and the jerkin.

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Car Delenda Est replied to mattw | 8 months ago
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Lights yes, Jerkin no.
There is no requirement to wear one, if police want to waste resources on them that their problem.

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Tom_77 | 8 months ago
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With the free lights, I understand the concern about "rewarding" people for breaking the law. But it seems like a pragmatic approach. The fire brigade won't have the authority to hand out penalty notices. The police would have to do it, and I don't think that would be a good use of resources.

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mitsky | 8 months ago
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The JV/RLJ issue reminds me, tangentially, of the difference we saw when the Elephant and Castle roundabouts were redesigned.
First with red lights then with proper segregation for cyclists.

As someone who was able to manage the original design by watching what was happening around me I was mildly annoyed at both developments as it actually confused me and slowed me down.
Yes I know that safety was paramount and it helps those who might not have chosen to cycle through there, especially as the original layout was considered to be the most dangerous junction in London.
So I'm happy with the increase in cycling it will have led to.

It just made me realise that rather than almost blindly following the new infrastructure I was more mindfull and aware of my surroundings on the old layout.
Which is good practice overall as we won't always be in such situations here.

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HarrogateSpa replied to mitsky | 8 months ago
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68 pedal cyclist casualties from 2003-07 at the Elephant & Castle roundabouts.

I feel that was an unanswerable case against 'do nothing'.

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mitsky replied to HarrogateSpa | 8 months ago
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Agreed.
Making roads safer for vulnerable road users is a good thing.  1

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Hirsute | 8 months ago
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Sounds a good outcome on the lights.
It's important to have lights at night - I certainly want some warning a cyclist is ahead.

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brooksby replied to Hirsute | 8 months ago
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On the FB comments quoted in the article - do those people imagine that the police immediately confiscate and crush cars with defective lights?

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momove replied to brooksby | 8 months ago
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There's so much of me that wish they did this to non-comoliant motor vehicles.

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Car Delenda Est | 8 months ago
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I could be in favour of a very small fine for those without lights/reflectors (not those with lights that are broken/out of battery/turned off) that could be waived if you send them a picture of your bike with working lights/reflectors, take the bike to the station, or send them a receipt for some lights/reflectors.

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