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Old Shoreham cycle lane Cllr Dawn Barnett
Brighton & Hove Council) (Image Credit: Images Google Maps/Brighton & Hove Council)

Tory councillor offers to paint over cycle lane + anti-cyclist bingo; Jeremy Clarkson watches Vuelta… to laugh at dodgy farming; Vuelta a Espaniela; Perfect pass; Fighting talk; Wout van Aert confirmed for Tour of Britain debut + more on the live blog

It’s Tuesday and Dan Alexander is here for another day on the live blog
  • by Dan Alexander
Tue, Aug 17, 2021 08:09
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SUMMARY

  • Red light jumping, tick. Pavement cycling, tick. Highway Code, tick. Listening to music, tick. Top-tier anti-cyclist bingo letter spotted in local paper
  • Brace yourselves for the comments section
  • Wout van Aert confirmed for Tour of Britain debut
  • Vuelta a España Stage 4: Uphill sprint in Molina de Aragón
  • Jeremy Vine scores perfect van driver 10/10
  • 30 per cent of drivers so worried about narrow country lanes they deliberately avoid them...27 per cent stressed out by the thought of hitting a pedestrian or cyclist
  • Perennial French Grand Tour hope Thibaut Pinot hits back at critics doubting his mental strength
  • Councillor offers to paint over cycle lane lines to speed up Old Shoreham bike lane's removal
  • Jeremy Clarkson watches La Vuelta...but only to laugh at some dodgy farming
  • Works removing Southampton cycle lane begin
  • Danish team pursuit rider involved in Olympic semi-final confrontation steps up to WorldTour with Team DSM
  • Vuelta a Espaniela...
Old Shoreham cycle lane Cllr Dawn Barnett
Brighton & Hove Council) (Image Credit: Images Google Maps/Brighton & Hove Council)
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17 August 2021, 08:09

Red light jumping, tick. Pavement cycling, tick. Highway Code, tick. Listening to music, tick. Top-tier anti-cyclist bingo letter spotted in local paper

Cyclist in Hammersmith (copyright Simon MacMichael).JPG
Cyclist in Hammersmith (copyright Simon MacMichael) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Cyclist in Hammersmith (copyright Simon MacMichael).JPG
Cyclist in Hammersmith (copyright Simon MacMichael) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Is today the day anti-cyclist bingo is finally completed? A full house? Get ready to shout ‘anti-cyclist bingo’ at the top of your lungs and collect your prize…

If I’ve learnt one thing doing these live blogs it is that letters in local papers about cycling are normally to be avoided, except for bingoing purposes. This one seems to have been sent in to the Argus off the back of last week’s vote for the Old Shoreham Road cycle lane to be removed…you think joyful Jeff would be pleased.

Titled: “‘I never saw more than two cyclists on Old Shoreham Road.” Jeff’s letter begins with, “as someone who has on two occasions only narrowly avoided being struck by a cyclist riding right through a red light,” woah, that’s a belter, Jeff. A seriously strong start. No messing about, straight into the red light jumping. Tick it off.

After another not-so-subtle dig at those who ignore red lights, Jeff lands another big one…cyclists riding on the pavement…”again without any action by the police.” Straight into, “many cyclists have no knowledge of the Highway Code.” Slow down, Jeff, this will be over before we’ve started. I assume Jeff has read about the proposed Highway Code changes, possibly from his favourite cycling news website’s story…

Back to the bingo. Next up, “using mobile phones” to listen to music or chat to friends. And, to top it off, “I know many motorists consider cyclists as at best a nuisance or more likely a blot on the landscape.” Tell us how you really feel, Jeff.

A strong effort from the Hove resident. Almost a full house, but perhaps not enough attention to helmets, hi-vis and, of course, ‘road tax’ and insurance for that honour. He could have asked for number plates too, anyway a deserved 8/10. Give me a minute to recover and I’ll dive into the comments section…

17 August 2021, 08:09

Brace yourselves for the comments section

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oxon travel cycle lane picture 2 - via twitter (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
oxon travel cycle lane picture 2 - via twitter.PNG
oxon travel cycle lane picture 2 – via twitter (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

We couldn’t leave Jeff’s letter there. There are 35 comments under it almost certainly bursting at the seams with some more bingo points. 

Hugh Mann wrote: “Any cyclists caught running a red light should be fined £10000 and have their bikes crushed in front of them by a council steam roller.” Interesting. My 2pence offered the perfect reply, “If only this applied to drivers speeding in 20mph zones then we wouldn’t be in this mess, we would have no cars left on the road.”

Hugh Mann went again…”Cyclists are an arrogant bunch of twits who believe themselves to be superior to others and that laws do not apply to them as they have a pushbike. I dread to think what some of them are like behind the wheel of a car.” Well, they know how to safely pass cyclists, so that’s a start.

How nose best commented: “When walking on a shared pavement why do cyclists feel it’s ok to ring their bell to get you to move? BUT you drive up behind them in a car a toot your horn they say they are being bullied by motorists.” I guess this commenter wasn’t one of the pedestrians Sussex Police spoke to at their day of action where they reminded walkers that bells are used as a warning, not a challenge.

And the aptly named agreetodisagree finished us off with this wisdom: “The one thing that frustrates me is cyclists who have use of a nice, wide, most of the time EMPTY cycle lane yet still use the pavement or the road.? I mean, have they got a death wish!?”

17 August 2021, 08:09

Wout van Aert confirmed for Tour of Britain debut

Wout Van Aert on Stage 11 of 2021 Tour de France 02 A.S.O., Pauline Ballet
Wout Van Aert on Stage 11 of 2021 Tour de France 02 A.S.O (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Wout Van Aert on Stage 11 of 2021 Tour de France 02 A.S.O., Pauline Ballet
Wout Van Aert on Stage 11 of 2021 Tour de France 02 A.S.O (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

We knew the Tour of Britain was on Wout van Aert’s radar. Today his debut at the race has been confirmed. The triple Tour de France stage winner, and one of the biggest names in pro cycling, is coming to the UK to tune up ahead of his big end of season goal – a home World Championships in Leuven. 

Van Aert’s glittering palmares includes six Tour stages, Milan – San Remo, Amstel Gold, Strade Bianche, Gent-Wevelgem and an Olympic silver. He’ll almost certainly start the week as a strong favourite to add the Tour of Britain’s leader’s jersey to that list, especially considering the lengthy TTT which suits Jumbo-Visma perfectly.

Yesterday, Mark Cavendish confirmed he will be on the startline in Penzance, Cornwall on Sunday September 5. Tell us what you make of the route and if you’ll be catching the action roadside?

17 August 2021, 08:09

Vuelta a España Stage 4: Uphill sprint in Molina de Aragón

Final 3km for today’s #LaVuelta21
Fast run into last 290m which averages just over 6% (around 7-8% max) reducing to around 5% for the final 100m to the line. pic.twitter.com/kZCvrwOeOJ

— VeloViewer (@VeloViewer) August 17, 2021

It should be one for the sprinters on stage four this afternoon. A tricky final 300m may swing the balance towards a punchier rider such as Michael Matthews, but at such a short distance from the line you’d expect stage two winner Jasper Philipsen, Arnaud Démare and Fabio Jakobsen to all be in the mix. 

17 August 2021, 08:09

Jeremy Vine scores perfect van driver 10/10

This, to me, is the perfect overtake.
Thank-you to the van driver.
We need to see more of this in London.
Points scored: 10. pic.twitter.com/FBV54weAWq

— Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) August 16, 2021

Let’s have some positivity after last week. Could ‘best pass of the day’ become Jeremy Vine’s new Twitter series?

17 August 2021, 08:09

30 per cent of drivers so worried about narrow country lanes they deliberately avoid them...27 per cent stressed out by the thought of hitting a pedestrian or cyclist

Country lane (Tony Atkin / High Banks Flanking a Country Lane / CC BY-SA 2.0)
CC BY-SA 2 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Country lane (Tony Atkin / High Banks Flanking a Country Lane / CC BY-SA 2.0)
CC BY-SA 2 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Research from the RAC and Ageas found that one-in-three motorists deliberately avoids narrow country lanes and are prepared to take a detour of 16 miles or 25 minutes to avoid them. The study found that more than half of drivers (58 per cent) said they find using narrow country lanes stressful. For drivers who usually drive in urban areas the figure rises to 76 per cent. 58 per cent of rural drivers said it doesn’t bother them, while only 21 per cent of urban drivers said the same.

Respondents to the survey said the two biggest causes of stress are squeezing past other vehicles (62 per cent) and colliding with another vehicle (61 per cent). The fear of hitting a pedestrian or cyclist was deemed stress-inducing by 27 per cent of respondents, while 22 per cent said the same for meeting a horse rider.

17 August 2021, 08:09

Perennial French Grand Tour hope Thibaut Pinot hits back at critics doubting his mental strength

 
 
 
 
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Thibaut Pinot is back. Having been sidelined for much of 2021 with a back injury that forced him to abandon his Grand Tour ambitions; Pinot will once again pin a race number on his back this week, for the first time since April. The French Grand Tour hope, now 31 years old, is targeting a series of one-day races to wrap up his season, finishing with Il Lombardia in October – a race he won in 2018.

Hitting back at those who doubt his mentality, the FDJ climber told l’Equipe. “I want to show I’m still here,” Pinot said. “Because people have talked a lot since last year, saying I’m on holiday, enjoying life, having barbecues, that I don’t have the right mentality – loads of stupid things like that. I still have some pride, a bit of ego, and I want to show who I am.

“I’ve missed fighting for victory, and knowing why you train so hard. I’ve always said I do this sport to win races, so training for months for nothing was frustrating. The legs are pretty good, I think. Based on the quality of my training and the numbers I’m producing, I feel that things are going well.”

17 August 2021, 08:09

Councillor offers to paint over cycle lane lines to speed up Old Shoreham bike lane's removal

Old Shoreham Road cycle lane (Google Maps)
Old Shoreham Road cycle lane (Google Maps) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Old Shoreham Road cycle lane (Google Maps)
Old Shoreham Road cycle lane (Google Maps) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Believe it or not, Jeff’s furious letter in the Argus was in reaction to the decision that the Old Shoreham Road cycle lane is to be removed…imagine how angry he must have been before!

Anyway, another piece of local council gold on the topic has appeared, so it seems like a great time to share. Yesterday, Brighton councillor Dawn Barnett apologised that the lane isn’t being ripped out quicker and even offered to paint over the lines herself. The Conservative councillor said the council should get out there and rip out wands to “let people know it’s happening.”

“I’m sorry it’s not being removed quicker than that after it went in overnight. I’ve offered to go along there with a tin of black paint to cover up the white lines,” she told the Argus.

“I understand highways have got to remove the high signs and burn off the white lines but I don’t want it dragging on. The council could go along there and get the posts out. It shows willing and lets people know it is happening.”

The council is aiming to start works in early September after Labour and Conservative councillors voted for its removal at a meeting last Tuesday. Labour councillor Gary Wilkinson said the scheme, which was implemented last May, had been created during “challenging times” without public engagement. The Green Party’s Amy Heley said the decision was “shameful”.

17 August 2021, 08:09

Jeremy Clarkson watches La Vuelta...but only to laugh at some dodgy farming

That is very very funny

— Jeremy Clarkson (@JeremyClarkson) August 17, 2021

Jeremy Clarkson’s a farmer now, if he hadn’t already told you. His Amazon show Clarkson’s Farm is full of bumbling mishaps that conveniently just so happen to also make entertaining television. Graeme Trigg wondered if the former Top Gear host had perhaps branched out into the Spanish farming scene too, based on this unconventional field of harvest spotted roadside in the final kilometres of yesterday’s Vuelta stage. I’m no farmer, but I don’t think you need to be to work out that’s not how it should look…

Anyway, it got Clarkson’s attention, although it’s probably too soon to call him a cycling ‘fan’. Pro cyclist Charlie Quarterman made a brief cameo in season one of the new show…but only in a short clip filmed in lockdown where Clarkson berates the Trek-Segafredo pro for being away from home…

Perhaps the presenter’s daughter can win him round. Emily Clarkson is now partnered with Specialized and promotes their e-bikes via her social media accounts…

17 August 2021, 08:09

Works removing Southampton cycle lane begin

Will adequate lighting and security be installed as part of the Lovers Walk widening? When I reported on this news yesterday the single biggest issue reported was that Lovers Walk was too dangerous to use at night, with some recounting previous incidents.https://t.co/iKV5G9LSh9

— The Cycleways of Southampton (@SotonCycleways) August 12, 2021

A cycle lane described as “well-used” by local newspaper the Daily Echo has begun to be removed after the city council last week decided the temporary route would be ripped out following a 15-month trial. The lane on The Avenue, excluding the stretch from The Cowherds junction to subway underpass, is to be removed, with works starting last night. By Saturday it is expected to be fully removed.

The Cycleways of Southampton Twitter account has criticised plans to redirect cyclists down new ‘quietway’ routes along parallel roads. Part of the proposed new quietway includes the Lovers Walk shared-use path, a route which some have raised safety concerns about.

17 August 2021, 08:09

Danish team pursuit rider involved in Olympic semi-final confrontation steps up to WorldTour with Team DSM

Danish men's pursuit team Tokyo 2020
Danish men's pursuit team Tokyo 2020 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Danish men's pursuit team Tokyo 2020
Danish men's pursuit team Tokyo 2020 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Frederik Rodenberg Madsen was one of the Danish riders who won silver in Tokyo as part of the team pursuit squad. He was also the rider who crashed into Charlie Tanfield, before angrily confronting the Brit as he lay on the velodrome boards. The Dane’s power, not diplomacy, has earned him a WorldTour contract with Team DSM.

Madsen said: “From the first talks I had with Team DSM, it was clear that both of our ambitions were closely aligned and I immediately felt like this was a team I wanted to be a part of. I think this is the perfect environment for me to develop myself in and I am really looking forward to getting stuck into the sprint and lead out train. Team DSM has so much history and experience so it will be great to learn and continue to develop myself here with them. I’m really looking forward to getting stuck into that process with the best in the world.”

17 August 2021, 08:09

Vuelta a Espaniela...

WE ARE PROUD 😍❣️ #lavuelta21 #ReinTaaramäe #fanclub pic.twitter.com/7VQJ2xk8hN

— Hanna Taaramäe (@HannaTaaramae) August 17, 2021

If only it were a spaniel then editor Jack’s Vuelta a Espaniela would be challenging for a Pulitzer Prize. 

At least it saves me spending the rest of my afternoon trying to butcher greyhound into Rein Taaramäe’s name…G-Rein-hound Taaramäe? Turns out it’s not even a greyhound…I’ll get back in my box and leave the ID-ing to others. Any other pro rider dog puns…Primoz Doglic? Do your worst…

17 August 2021, 08:09

Police release distressing video after drug driver crashes at 60mph into child cycling in bike lane

Police release distressing video after drug driver crashes at 60mph into child cycling in bike lane

Harry Summersgill was jailed for three years after shocking crash in County Durham, and the boy's family gave police permission to share video to warn others about drug driving

17 August 2021, 08:09

Sussex Police responds to allegation that close pass videos submitted to it are not properly investigated

Sussex Police responds to allegation that close pass videos submitted to it are not properly investigated

“When the public take the time to provide footage to us, we take the time to review the footage,” says the force

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  1. sensei
    August 17, 2021 at 8:51 am
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    It does make you wonder about

    It does make you wonder about the mentality of some drivers. So what happens when the cycle lane is removed Jeff? A lot of those cyclists will now cycle on the road, giving you a completely new point to whinge about (getting stuck behind a cyclist). The remainder will ditch their bike and go back to a car (adding to congestion). It also seems that despite the climate crisis being well publicised recently in the MSM, Jeff really doesn’t care. Yet, Argus seem to think that Jeff’s views are worth promoting, on the sole basis that it is anti-cyclist bigotry.

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    • Captain Badger
      August 17, 2021 at 9:06 am
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      sensei wrote:

      It does make you wonder about the mentality of some drivers. So what happens when the cycle lane is removed Jeff? A lot of those cyclists will now cycle on the road, giving you a completely new point to whinge about (getting stuck behind a cyclist). The remainder will ditch their bike and go back to a car (adding to congestion). It also seems that despite the climate crisis being well publicised recently in the MSM, Jeff really doesn’t care. Yet, Argus seem to think that Jeff’s views are worth promoting, on the sole basis that it is anti-cyclist bigotry.

      — sensei

      People like Jeff think that the crisis will be solved by “new technologies’ – woooooo. Either that or it’s no use doing anything “cos China/US/India/climate villain of your choice”.

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      • sensei
        August 17, 2021 at 9:27 am
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        Yes it’s disappointing that

        Yes it’s disappointing that there’s so much fight back against even making subtle lifestyle changes to help reduce individual carbon footprint. The same mentality can be applied to littering (well everyone else litters, so what’s the point?!). 

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        • Owd Big 'Ead
          August 17, 2021 at 10:11 am
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          It’s easy when you can blame
          It’s easy when you can blame everyone else.
          It’s quite noticeable that the MSM and government departments are already telling us all the things we can do to do our bit, but we are still planning to spend £27bn on new roads and a whopping £50bn on HS2 while also expanding airports and therefore flying.

          So when the shit hits the fan it will be the hoi polloi’ fault rather than the politicians et al lining their own pockets.

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        • Velophaart_95
          August 17, 2021 at 10:15 am
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          sensei wrote:

          Yes it’s disappointing that there’s so much fight back against even making subtle lifestyle changes to help reduce individual carbon footprint. The same mentality can be applied to littering (well everyone else litters, so what’s the point?!). 

          — sensei

           

          People want everybody else to change their ways – just not themselves…..

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        • Kendalred
          August 17, 2021 at 11:38 am
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          sensei wrote:

          Yes it’s disappointing that there’s so much fight back against even making subtle lifestyle changes to help reduce individual carbon footprint. The same mentality can be applied to littering (well everyone else litters, so what’s the point?!). 

          — sensei

          Listening to Dr Hannah Fry on 6Music this morning, she actually put a name to this – The tragedy of the commons – essentially when everyone does something selfish (ie not being arsed to recycle plastic, taking the car for a short journey, putting the heating on in mild weather when an extra layer would be better), it might benefit the individual in the short term, but because everyone does it, then society suffers, and therefore the individual also suffers in the long term. 

          The solution to this usually needs to come from the authorities, either by incentives to do the right thing or legislation against doing the wrong thing.

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        • IanMK
          August 17, 2021 at 11:52 am
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          Agreed the IPCC are quite

          Agreed the IPCC are quite clear: “It’s then up to the people of the world, individually and collectively, to arrive at alternatives to X through governmental, civic, corporate, personal, and diplomatic means – including processes such as the COP26 climate conference this November in Glasgow.”

          Whilst I welcome collective responsibility (hopefully to be decided at government level as well as through COP26) all we have at that moment individual responsibility. When people push back on this they are like Knut holding back the tide they need to move or they’ll drown (in some cases literally).

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      • Owd Big 'Ead
        August 17, 2021 at 10:04 am
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        Considering ExxonMobil were
        Considering ExxonMobil were leading research into Climate Change 50 years ago before deciding to brush their findings under the carpet 20 years later, it amazes me that we still don’t have any of these new technologies available yet.

        Traffic emits roughly 36bn tons of CO2 yearly, yet even the best technologies only remove approx 1m tons a year.

        Either we have to scale up dramatically, or massively reduce transport usage.
        Either way its going to cost a bomb in such a short time.

        It would have been a damn sight cheaper if we’d started 50 years ago.

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      • IanMK
        August 17, 2021 at 10:40 am
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        I’m not sure why all the

        I’m not sure why all the Gammons are not listening to their Gammon-in-chief….. “And if you are going to oppose these schemes, you must tell us what your alternative is, because trying to squeeze more cars and delivery vans on the same roads and hoping for the best is not going to work.”

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    • Hirsute
      August 17, 2021 at 10:00 am
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      I think when there was a

      I think when there was a similar story before, a local commented that the argus has form with promoting this type of conflict with cyclists.

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      • Owd Big 'Ead
        August 17, 2021 at 10:52 am
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        I think you’ll find every

        I think you’ll find every local news outlet likes to stoke the fires with anti-cycling diatribes. It’s speaking to the majority about something that everyone has an opinion about, good and bad.

        These days all that matter for local “journalism” is feeding the click-bait to appease advertisers.

        News is the last thing on their minds.

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  2. AlsoSomniloquism
    August 17, 2021 at 9:47 am
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    Meanwhile just up the road

    Meanwhile just up the road from Jeff.

    BBC

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    • ktache
      August 17, 2021 at 10:02 am
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      Unsuprisingly, when involed

      Unsuprisingly, when involed in a collision with squishy pedestrians- “The driver of the Tesla, a 47-year-old woman, was uninjured in the collision.”

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    • Shake
      August 17, 2021 at 10:09 am
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      For once, saying there were

      For once, saying there were hit by a Tesla and not a driver might be a more accurate description of affairs. 

      Obviously it’s still the drivers responsibility to control their vehicle 

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      • hawkinspeter
        August 17, 2021 at 10:41 am
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        Shake wrote:

        For once, saying there were hit by a Tesla and not a driver might be a more accurate description of affairs. 

        Obviously it’s still the drivers responsibility to control their vehicle 

        — Shake

        https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/08/us-investigates-autopilot-after-11-teslas-crashed-into-emergency-vehicles/

        In each of the 11 crashes, Teslas have hit first responders’ vehicles that have been parked and marked with flashing lights, flares, illuminated arrow boards, or road cones.

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    • IanMK
      August 17, 2021 at 10:28 am
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      Exactly this. So much hand

      Exactly this. So much hand wringing in the press this week as to whether Jake Davison should have had a fire arms license. However, when this happens nobody is looking at whether the driver has previous and if they have the psychological temperament or mental acuity to be be responsible for 2t of metal travelling at speeds of up to 70mph (because of course all drivers are saints and always follow the highway code).

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  3. Slartibartfast
    August 17, 2021 at 10:50 am
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    Cyclists ‘listening to music
    Cyclists ‘listening to music and chatting to their friends rather than concentrating on the road’? Just wait until Jeff hears about car stereos and passengers!

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    • quiff
      August 17, 2021 at 11:27 am
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      Yep, same applies to almost

      Yep, same applies to almost every one of Jeff’s complaints: Some cyclists ignore red lights. Some cyclists use pavements. Many cyclists have no knowledge of the Highway Code. I have lost count of the number of cyclists using mobile phones. Listening to music and chatting. Given excessive consideration at the expense of other citizens. Of course I guess I should really be commenting on the Argus rather than preaching to the road.cc choir. 

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  4. AlsoSomniloquism
    August 17, 2021 at 11:24 am
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    Just received this report

    Just received this report done for the Street of Brum from ROSPA and using See Sense data. 

    TBH it is alot of stats but might be interesting for some. 

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    • ktache
      August 17, 2021 at 5:04 pm
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      It is interesting, even just

      It is interesting, even just giving it a quick scan.

      Good data collection methodology.

      Of course a lot of mine are so predictable that there is often no need to brake or swerve hard, I’ve come off the power and adjusted my line long before it becomes urgent.

      Maybe rotational sensors in the helmet to capture the disappointed shake of the head…

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      • AlsoSomniloquism
        August 17, 2021 at 8:38 pm
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        Swearing meter?

        Swearing meter?

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  5. Sussexcyclist
    August 17, 2021 at 11:42 am
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    Road.cc should do better than

    Road.cc should do better than link to clickbait articles and letters posted in The Argus. It is just driving traffic (and money) to a publication which is notorious for continually stoking anti-cyclist sentiment in Brighton & Hove for clicks. 

    No doubt the nonsense ‘articles’ and letters posted in The Argus wound up local negative feelings towards cycling and contributed to the Labour concillors voting with the Conservatives to remove of the Old Shoreham Road cycle lane.

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    • Awavey
      August 17, 2021 at 2:43 pm
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      Sorry my fault I highlighted
      Sorry my fault I highlighted it yesterday 🙂

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  6. doodlydiddle
    August 17, 2021 at 12:08 pm
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    I’m sure Jeff would just love

    I’m sure Jeff would just love it if his views went viral to the point where many cyclists agreed to get together for a ride at the same time around his home town.

    Anyone fancy it? Sure, there won’t be as many cycle lanes to enjoy soon, but we can use the roads. Perhaps Jeff might see the light and join us 😉

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  7. wycombewheeler
    August 17, 2021 at 2:26 pm
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     Respondents to the survey

     

    Respondents to the survey said the two biggest causes of stress are squeezing past other vehicles (62 per cent) and colliding with another vehicle (61 per cent). The fear of hitting a pedestrian or cyclist was deemed stress-inducing by 27 per cent of respondents, while 22 per cent said the same for meeting a horse rider.

    remember squeezing past another car which might result in a scratch is more stressful than hitting human beings with 2 tonne metal boxes 

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    • DoomeFrog
      August 17, 2021 at 3:25 pm
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      So put an urban cowboy on a

      So put an urban cowboy on a narrow country lane and they will happily drive on a massive detour to avoid it which is clearly no inconvenience at all.

      Put an LTN in and making a short detour is such an inconvenience!

      So is the answer to make LTN’s narrow country lanes and then everyone is a winner?

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    • quiff
      August 17, 2021 at 3:55 pm
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      Quote:

       

      The fear of hitting a pedestrian or cyclist was deemed stress-inducing by 27 per cent of respondents, while 22 per cent said the same for meeting a horse rider.

      TBH, I’m happy sharing the road with this 27%. The other 73% had probably never even considered they might meet a cyclist or horse.  

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      • AidanR
        August 17, 2021 at 5:07 pm
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        TBH I’m happy that drivers
        TBH I’m happy that drivers avoid country lanes as it makes cycling on them much more pleasant!

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    • kil0ran
      August 17, 2021 at 9:49 pm
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      This is the whole reason for
      This is the whole reason for that response to the survey. It’s about money. With so many cars leased rather than owned there a big financial penalties for even minor damage. Most cars where I live (New Forest) will have marks from hedges etc, plus there’s the added factor of tourists who don’t know the roads. It’s one of the reasons I drive an ancient Volvo and a 20yo Golf as I don’t mind hedging them. Normally most drivers wait and let me through…

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  8. ktache
    August 17, 2021 at 2:36 pm
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    I’m hoping that Brighton

    I’m hoping that Brighton council’s lawyers are busy writing “that” letter to Dawn Barnett, warning her of the consequences of her desired actions…

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  9. wycombewheeler
    August 17, 2021 at 2:55 pm
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    Quote:

      “When walking on a shared pavement why do cyclists feel it’s ok to ring their bell to get you to move? BUT you drive up behind them in a car a toot your horn they say they are being bullied by motorists.”

    I guess it’s the difference between a quick toot when you are 100m back and about to overtake with the other side clear so the cylists isn’t startled and leaning on the horn for five seconds from 10m behind the cyclist.

    A bike bell should be used like the former, once with plety of tme to react long before conflict. I don’t think many cyclists ride right behind pedestrians who are blocking the entire path, pinging their bell furiously for 5 seconds.

    And of course if you lead with a cheery good morning/good evening you get a brusque “why didn’t you use a bell?”

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  10. wtjs
    August 17, 2021 at 3:55 pm
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    Any cyclists caught running a

    Any cyclists caught running a red light should be fined £10000 and have their bikes crushed in front of them by a council steam roller

    No action whatsoever taken against F2 YNY by Lancashire Constabulary. How many people are in favour of crushing the large black Range Rover with blacked out windows, whose driver has friends in LC?

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  11. OnYerBike
    August 17, 2021 at 3:56 pm
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    The Cycleways of Southampton

    The Cycleways of Southampton Twitter account has criticised plans to redirect cyclists down new ‘quietway’ routes along parallel roads.

    I don’t know this particular example, but in my experience “quietways” are rat-runs of residential roads, cut-throughs of industrial estates and dingy “shared path” alleyways. You have to have The Knowledge to find, let alone follow, one; they are invariably longer by distance; and they invariably increase journey times dramatically as one has to give way at numerous junctions, dodge parked cars, pedestrians, dogs, litter, broken glass etc. Meanwhile, the glorious masters in motor vehicles have complete dominion over the main road which goes straight from A to B and which has been carefully planned to make their journey as fast an convenient as possible. 

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    • OldRidgeback
      August 17, 2021 at 4:43 pm
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      I’ve used part of this

      I’ve used part of this quietway and it’s not bad. A lot of students live in the area, my eldest being one, and it does get used a lot. I’m not convinced it needs to be taken out. My eldest uses this one regularly in fact.

      My experience of using quietways in London is that they’re generally a lot less stressful to ride along and even though they may be a bit longer, you often get where you’re going just as quickly as you miss out the big junctions with a long wait times between the lights changing.

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    • daflj
      August 17, 2021 at 4:47 pm
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      And this hits the nail on the

      And this hits the nail on the head. Instead of the direct route down the main road into town, the council will expect cyclists to dodge in and out of back streets, and along ‘shared use’ paths past the Common that are unlit and potentially, dangerous after dark. The main road is extremely wide for a single lane and bike lane – but once the cycle lane is gone it’s just about wide enough for cars to travel two abreast so it will become an informal dual carriageway and will be dangerous for cyclists.

      Over the past year the council has removed a number of cycle lanes, a bus lane, and some road closures. None of this has been done with any evidence of the efficacy or not of the schemes; and I’m amazed that Southampton Council wasn’t flagged by Chris Heaton-Harris the other day.

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  12. ktache
    August 17, 2021 at 4:46 pm
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    Supermarket trolleys are of

    Supermarket trolleys are of course known for their predictable handling, and the way they easily take kerbs…

    Though filming whilst driving is a bit iffy, seemed to be getting a bit close too…

    Have we managed to update the laws on mobile phone use when driving yet?

    Oh, and ignoring the safety and potential legality of it all, LANDSCAPE!

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    • AlsoSomniloquism
      August 17, 2021 at 8:39 pm
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      Am I missing an article you

      Am I missing an article you are commenting on?

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      • ktache
        August 17, 2021 at 9:06 pm
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        There was a bit where a bloke

        There was a bit where a bloke who was driving was filming (in portrait for gods sake) a bloke on a bike who was dragging along a shopping trolley with stuff in it.  Driver was getting a bit close, cyclist not looking good, went up a lowered kerb and the trolley didn’t.

        Went up 4-5ish.

        Now there is no sign of it.

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        • andystow
          August 19, 2021 at 6:39 pm
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          ktache wrote:

          There was a bit where a bloke who was driving was filming (in portrait for gods sake) a bloke on a bike who was dragging along a shopping trolley with stuff in it.  Driver was getting a bit close, cyclist not looking good, went up a lowered kerb and the trolley didn’t.

          Went up 4-5ish.

          Now there is no sign of it.

          — ktache

          Here ya go!
          https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/cyclist-filmed-pushing-asda-shopping-24790589

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chrisonabike 2 hours ago

@Smoggysteve "Most would happily ride on the roads and be treated with respect by drivers". But people aren't - and as far as I can see they won't be. Not until there is a lot less driving and it's slower around cyclists, and far more people driving have "skin in the game" eg. they sometimes cycle and their friends and family do also. That's what leads to the model - which is perhaps most advanced in NL - where cycling, walking and driving are all seen as separate normal transport modes. Their needs, vulnerabilities and any dangers to others are considered. And *that* leads to "mix / share when possible, separate when necessary". But "possible" is "where your 10-year old would be safe to cycle unsupervised" - so very few motor vehicles, going slow! And AFAICS everybody - even "existing cyclists" - is happy with the result. (I dunno about a few pro cyclists - but don't they tend to have training camps in different counties anyway?)

in: Cyclists are “greedy” for taking up more space than pedestrians, claims leading architect who feels “guilty” when riding bike
chrisonabike 2 hours ago

@quiff as an Edinburgh resident I can confidently say he's speaking without moving his lips in one sense: - while as I noted in a separate comment there *is* now some real separated cycle infra, all the examples i can think of have *at least as much space* for pedestrians. The rest of the "cycle infra" is essentially similar to the situation in the rest of the UK: eg. bus lanes*, cycle lanes and shared use paths (eg. "build" infra by sticking up a sign). Edinburgh is one of the places with a moderately extensive network of former railways which have been converted to "shared use" paths (completely motor traffic few). However though shared they are not narrow by UK standards. And this is all effectively a "free extra" for all non- motorised users, not like the "sign a cycle path" where pedestrians do lose space. I think this all comes from the "popular understanding" of cycling in which ultimately cyclists are the "other". They don't fit "motor vehicle" or "pedestrian" (including wheelchairs on the very rare occasions people think about that). Thus "cyclists are cheating" in multiple ways! They shouldn't get their own space as "there aren't enough" of them. And "they can just use the road / path". But being able to *choose* "on the road" or "on the footway" (shared use path) is clearly unfair - nobody else gets to do that! BUT of course even if they did pick just one of road OR pedestrian space it's still not fair anyway because they're "too slow" for the road (don't pay "road tax" etc...) and "far too fast" for pedestrians... * Though some existing cyclists may appreciate them when there are few buses, buses and bikes are a very poor mix for several reasons.

in: Cyclists are “greedy” for taking up more space than pedestrians, claims leading architect who feels “guilty” when riding bike
mikecassie 3 hours ago

Whilst a shame for any employees, their bib shorts had the worst chamois pad I’d ever encountered, utter waste of my money. Even though they were Strava challenge discount purchases, still a waste of money.

in: Le Col enters administration months after takeover by tennis giant Head
ktache 3 hours ago

Thanks, just going to have to suck it up. Got next week off and will take the easy, if expensive option...

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Rendel Harris 4 hours ago

@ktache Just go for the TNT Sports only package, £30.99 for a month. Alternatively have you considered experimenting with a VPN for a few pounds, allowing you to sign up for a free stream abroad, e.g. SBS Australia which streams the Tour live? If I didn't have a kind mate's login that's what I'd do!

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wtjs 4 hours ago

@mitsky Roger. Thanks

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ktache 5 hours ago

So, it's now the month of July and I'm going to have to pay to watch the TdF, for one month only. On a tablet unfortunately, as I didn't manage to get a laptop to rig up to the TV, grrr. Just wondering, what package will I have to fork out for? Not wanting to pay for the wrong one...

in: “Diolch!” Live free-to-air 2026 Tour de France coverage confirmed on S4C and iPlayer; “Left-hooking” driver spared police action after driver doesn’t report incident; Men’s Tour of Britain route + more on the live blog
Rendel Harris 5 hours ago

Not that it sounds like a dealbreaker given the other faults you've identified, but that cable isn't really a "proprietary" cable, four pin magnetic cables like that are quite common on bone-conducting headphones and other devices (my inexpensive smartwatch uses one) and they can be had for £4.99 on UK Amazon.

in: H2O Audio TRI Run open-ear bone conduction headphones
mctrials23 5 hours ago

There was never really anything to say about le col kit. Most of it was alright. Some of it was poorly designed/made. Trying to position yourself as a Rapha competitor whilst always offering 40% or more off doesn't scream premium though.

in: Le Col enters administration months after takeover by tennis giant Head
ROOTminus1 6 hours ago

Up next in the MucOff product line; for when the cassette won't budge, (chain)whip-it!

in: Muc-Off Collapsible Silicone Funnel

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