Unfortunately, this year’s Tour Féminin des Pyrénées won’t be remembered for a scintillating battle on the fearsome Hautacam, or for Marta Cavalli’s long-awaited return to winning ways after a difficult year.
Instead, the three-day stage race will be remembered for the UCI’s decision to call off the final stage following protests from a peloton concerned for its safety after two stages dominated by members of the public driving on the course (and even towards the riders), parked cars littering the final kilometres of stage one into Lourdes, race motorbike riders creating hazardous conditions, spectators wandering on the roads, a lack of marshals, and, finally, successful calls to neutralise most of the second stage to the foot of the Hautacam.
> "What a mess": Chaos as live traffic passes metres from racing peloton
“Considering the safety risks involved, we firmly believe that a bike race is not worth endangering the lives of the female cyclists,” Adam Hansen, the head of the riders’ union the CPA, said in a statement announcing that yesterday’s third and final stage had been cancelled.
> Tour Féminin des Pyrénées stopped amidst rider safety issues
So, how did the organiser of the Tour des Pyrénées react to being at the centre of a media frenzy (the race’s cancellation even made the BBC’s website!) concerning the running of his event?
By creating another, entirely different kind of media frenzy.
“What is happening is that the girls have requirements that are not in line with their level,” race director Pascal Baudron told La Nouvelle République yesterday morning.
“They imagine that they are on the Tour de France and that all the roads must be closed. But in France you cannot do that.”
Baudron continued: “They are sawing off the branch of which they are sitting. The day when there will be no more races, they will cry and that’s what’s going to happen.
“Quite honestly, I tell myself that it is not worth organising a race to see all those months of effort ruined for the whims of spoiled children.”
Unsurprisingly, Baudron’s questionable use of language, and his belief that top-tier pro cyclists are “spoiled children” for believing that they should be able to race without motorists driving at them, hasn’t gone down too well with most of the cycling community.
Some described the organiser’s comments as “sexist”, “offensive”, and “from the 15th century”, with Twitter user Jonathan writing: “The numerous use of ‘girls’ and ‘spoiled brats’ is quite telling of his attitude towards women”.
“Female riders being called spoiled for, er, not wanting to be hit by cars?” wrote cycling journalist Matilda Price. “Extremely basic levels of safety shouldn’t be the reserve of the Tour.”
“Sounds like it’s the race organisers with ‘requirements above their level,” added Ryan. “They expect the best cyclists in the world to show up to their race but they're not competent enough to fill out the forms to close the roads?”
Organising a major bike race is tough (as we’ve seen in Britain over the past year or so), but that’s certainly one way of ensuring you lose all the sympathy you had from onlookers, I suppose…
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I would love to know the value of the cycling pound to the economy.
I, like many others, love visiting some far flung cafe in some obscure village, at the weekend. I am sure that many of these, largely independent, establishments would struggle without the influx of cyclists. So not just a benefit to the economy but also supporting a local community asset. Surely, all this whilst paying 20% VAT to pay for our road usage.
Conversely, when at the weekend hoards of drivers block up our town with bad parking just to get to the local bathing spot, somebody always suggest that it benefits the local economy. I am yet to see any evidence of this as many might be buying their beer and bbq/picnics out of town before arriving. Even if they do pop in to Tescos or Sainsburys I'm not sure that it's supporting the local economy as these places would survive without them and any surplus profit is unlikely to be spent in the town.
Not only are they buying their beer and BBQs elsewhere, but many of them will be leaving your town - your council tax payers - with the bill for picking their shit up after them.
Having seen the crap that gets left behind every time the sun comes out on a weekend by daytrippers in cars, it would have thought that their impact on the local economy is primarily negative.
Howard Cox "...what we need to do is get some common sense...." and then goes off into the realms of idiocy about number plates and tabards.
Yes Howard, you do need some common sense: we don't.
And another thing. An estimated 4.5% of vehicles on the road are uninsured. The police can't even keep a lid on that.
With just under 4 million vehicles registered, that puts a figure of around 175,000 uninsured vehicles nationwide.
If they struggle to keep tabs on 175,000 cars, vans, motorcycles etc, how on earth do you expect them to keep tabs on an additional 20 million bicycles?
You can multiply those figures 10x, it's just under 40m vehicles registered in the UK.
Was just about to say the same!
It's worse than that: estimates are in fact that there are around a million people driving in the UK without insurance, as many as 1.5M vehicles on the road without MOT, 600,000 on which VED hasn't been paid and a truly staggering 800,000 drivers who either don't have a licence or whose licence is currently suspended.
BuT CycLiSts!
Bastards: none of them have a cycling licence.
I have a cycling proficiency badge given to me circa 1981, does that count?
It's the later figure of unlicensed motorists that truly frightens me. I was had an argument that the number of unlicensed motorists outweighed the number of regular cyclists as in those who solely use a bicycle for transport on a daily basis. They refused to believe me until I started to pull those figures up.
Oh how I would love to live in a place with 20m bicycles but only 4m motor vehicles.
Be careful what you wish for.
In "cycling friendly" countries such as the Netherlands, bicycles might outnumber cars, but only by around 2:1 (~23 million bikes; ~10 million cars). And Netherlands is an extreme - even in other cycling friendly countries such as Denmark, it's closer to 1:1 (~4.5 million bikes and ~3 million cars).
A bit of googling suggest that the majority places with higher numbers of bikes:cars tend to be less developed countries - this bit of research is the best I've found: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2015/04/16/car-bike-or-motorcycl... E.g. in Uganda 49% of households have a bike but only 3% have a car; Vietnam 67% have bikes but only 2% cars. I couldn't find numbers of North Korea but the information available suggests cars are rare and bicycles very common.
As has been said on here before, "Cyclists are running riot!" is only a thing once you completely ignore all the damage and injuries caused by motorists (and let's not forget that a good many of them have no licence, or (edit) insurance
registration, or are driving around using someone else's registration plate).We have a culture which treats road violence as 'just one of those things', like the weather...
Also, if they're "running", then they're not cyclists are they?
The organisers of the Tour Feminin des Pyrenees should be stripped of their licence to organise races for that. In an area that is quite used to races and events coming through the area, with road closures managed well for even ameteur events, they should hang their heads in shame instead of backing down on their mysoginistic tripe. They are, in most cases, full time professional athletes who deserve better, who are used to riding closed road races that are properly organised because that is their god damn job. The organisers clearly failed at theirs. Could you imagine the World Tour being forced to ride open roads? If that's their attitude why don't they try to organise a World Tour circuit race along the length of the M25 whilst open to traffic on a Friday preceding a Bank Holiday weekend? And then tell the rider's they're spoiled if they complain! No different, am I right?
(Yes I know cycling on Motorways is illegal and therefore is different but I doubt that the organisers would see it that way)
I dont know the guy is being mysoginistic, as I highlighted on the article covering the race cancellation, Audrey Cordon Ragot addressed all the assembled riders on the stage 2 stoppage when they were discussing their next step as "girls" also, no one is sensibly claiming she was being disrespectful doing that.
labelling the riders spoilt children isnt particularly smart, but lets not be distracted from the real fundamental issue this race had which is road safety and safety of the riders during the race, and not by perceived misinterpreted language differences.
the quote about "They are sawing off the branch of which they are sitting. The day when there will be no more races, they will cry and that’s what’s going to happen." in the article I read actually he was repeating something one of the other race directors had said to him, either Elisabeth Chevanne-Brachet or Marion Clignet, obviously he agrees with it.
But again step back he wasnt running this race alone, and both Chevanne-Brachet and Clignet are themselves former pro women cyclists, Chevanne Brachet did give a video interview post cancellation which my gcse french couldnt quite keep up translating, but I didnt get the impression her views on the situation that developed or the amount of safety provided for the riders, were at odds with Baudrons statement that ended up in the papers.
stripping of them the right to run races I dont think is the solution, ensuring they or other race organisers never end up in the same position again probably is.
You do get that a term of reference thats ok for peers to use is not necassirly ok for a non-peer to use right? A man calling a group of professional women "girls" is just as bad as me walking up to a group of PoC and saying "wassup niggas". You dont use dimunitive or possibly derogatory terms unless invited to do so.
(And yes this is woke. Respecting and considering other peoples thoughts and feelings tends to be that. Which is why an insecure section of a dominant demographic kicks back against it - coz it causes them to challenge their assumptions of authority. Thus endeth the rant.)
my point on that is Im not a native french speaker, and Google translate isnt particularly smart at picking up the nuance of how language is actually used in real life, as it has no context.
just chucking some words into it to translate, yep filles means girls (can also mean young women actually and there were lots of young women in that race) & femmes means women, great weve translated some words, doesnt mean we have understanding or comprehension of what the speakers intent was with the words they did or didnt use, or whether theres a regional variation in play, or what was going on, language is far more complex than just individual words and doubly so when you are translating between languages.
Audrey who is a native french speaker was quite comfortable to translate in to English and call the whole assembled riders group, "girls", I dont doubt she'd have used filles as well had you she spoken to the group in French instead.
so how can I judge whether the guy is misogynistic based on one google translated word ? I cant, and I wont use labels like that unless Im sure of their actual intent. Whilst it clearly excites alot of the online community to focus on it, imo it unnecessarily diverts attention away from the main and more important problem of the race which was rider safety.
whether the guy said filles and not femmes is an irrelevant sideshow as far as Im concerned, as to the more important issue of why he and his fellow race directors (2 of whom are women) believed the safety bubble they had provided was adequate, and is far more deserving of the ire & focus on all 3 of them.
Something tells me there is far more to the story than is easily dismissed by just glancing at the optics. And jumping straight to vilifying and censoring based on word choices without actually doing any empathising is the usual 'woke' thing to do and distracts from the bigger issue of rider safety. From the video clearly a disaster waiting to happen, calling it off seems totally justified.
really?
I'm convinced, this is a professional womens race, to suggest it is not at the same level as a pro mens race or even a sportive, clearly suggests this organiser has no respect for women's sport, and so I wonder how he is even involved in organising it.
yes really, is it that strange not to jump to immediate conclusions about people off the back of one sentence in a newspaper thesedays ?
the race director, who as Ill keep reminding people was simply 1 of 3 involved in running this race, stated it was not the same level as the TdF.
Which pedantically speaking is completely correct, this was classified a 2.1 race which puts it on a par with La Route d'Occitanie or the Tour of Britain, not a 2.uwt or 2.wwt level event like the TdF or TdFF.
I dont for a minute expect either La Route d'Occitanie or the Tour of Britain to ever leave riders to deal with the same levels of vehicle incursion on their stages, as happened here, but theres an understanding at least that TdF levels of lockdown on roads arent part of the deal in those races.
but there is a cost associated with the level of traffic marshalling required to provide even a temporary safe route, it may well have contributed to the loss of the Womens Tour this year, and its likely no coincidence the Lotto Belgium Tour, also a 2.1 race, was cancelled last week due to the fall through in guaranteed traffic management of the race which impacted the safety of the stages and there wasnt the budget, to outsource it to an external company.
the issue is why those involved in the running of the Tour Féminin International des Pyrénées felt the level of safety they were providing was adequate, not whether we judge they have or have not the requisite respect for those taking part in their race.
Women's Tour of Britain have had cars parked on course in the final, and also some very sketchy course decisions which have led to crashes
Ok if you want it, I may put a number plate as long as it is aero enough.
But then since cyclists with their 10mph and 100kg weight are closer to pedestrians with 3mph and 80kg weight rather than the cars 60mph and 1200kg, pedestrians will have to wear plates too.
Good luck trying to convince your girl that her number plate dress seems great
My "girl" would be even more upset at me referring to her as "my girl"!
Fortunately, she doesn't frequent cycling websites!
I'm complaining to trading standards, there is no way there is 8350kg of girl in that dress. false advertising I say.
But is she small, or actually big but very far away?
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Why the f*****g hell is anybody talking to that Howard cock(s) anyway, He is standing for London mayor as the representative of known racist, mysoginist and conspiracy theorist Lawrence Fox.
"Cycling doesn't contribute to the roads"
Neither does driving. (Highways excluded - i.e. Motorway network and arterial A roads)
As a public space, roads, lighting, signage and street furniture are the responsibility of local authorities. Funded primarily by, of all things, COUNCIL TAX. (Shock horror!)
Assuming that a cyclist and a driver both pay the same tax rate at a random figure of £1500 p/a how long does it take each of these people to cause £1500 worth of wear and tear onto the road network?
I cannot find a link to an article on the subject but if my memory serves me well, a bicycle causes on average £1 worth of wear and tear per year as a suggested tax rate. So, effectively, a milennia would pass and the council would earn interest on the tax payment faster than it costs to repair. A car (Large family hatchback) was given a figure of £15,000. So a car takes little over a month to cause enough wear and tear to eat through that council tax payment.
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