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Cyclist hospitalised after crashing into garden waste “maliciously” dumped on cycle path; No sticky bottles for Bardet Jnr; Arsenal’s squad cycle to work; Is it time for a grey jersey at the Tour de France?; New LEJOGLE attempt + more on the live blog

After a long, directionless rest day, bike racing is back on the telly today! Oh, and Ryan Mallon is also back with more cycling news and views on Tuesday’s live blog
11 July 2023, 10:00
Cyclist hospitalised and left coughing up blood after crashing into garden waste “maliciously” dumped on cycle path

We’re kicking things off on today’s blog with a rather unusual, and extremely dangerous, example to file in the by-now bulging ‘Why some cyclists don’t use cycle paths’ folder…

Last month, a pensioner from Bury St Edmunds was seriously injured after crashing into a pile of garden waste that had been dumped across a rural off-road cycle path.

Ted Saunders, who’s in his 60s, suffered two broken ribs, a broken collarbone, and a collapsed lung in the crash, and was coughing up blood during his four-day stint in West Suffolk Hospital, Suffolk News reports.

The cyclist’s wife Liane said the decision to dump the waste at the end of a popular cycle path – either through “thoughtlessness or maliciousness” – “is beyond my comprehension”.

Dumped garden waste on cycle path (John O'Leary)

At around 7.45am on 25 June, during an early morning spin, Ted was riding along National Cycle Route 13 when he collided with the garden waste, which was obscured by both the direction the cyclist was travelling from and the overgrown nature of the route.

“Because of the time of year, the cycle path was a bit overgrown anyway, that’s why he was concentrating on avoiding the brambles and the overhead, by the time he noticed the debris it was too late to do anything,” Liane said. “He went over and his bike went after him.”

After Ted was released from hospital, Liane noticed on a local Facebook group that another resident had posted a photograph of the fly-tipping and reported it to West Suffolk Council, who removed the waste.

> Popular walking and cycling path "(almost) inaccessible to motorists" blocked by crashed car

“I just thought this is unbelievable,” Liane continued.

“Someone has either been very, very thoughtless or they’ve made a conscious decision to put a whole load of garden waste at the end of a very narrow, dark, rural, cycle path. Then I got a bit annoyed.

“It could have been worse, he could have been knocked out and nobody would have known where he was.”

Liane, who reported the incident to the council and the police, says: “I just don’t understand why they did it there, and when I have shown other people they have said ‘that looks deliberate, that looks malicious’.

“We know that fly-tipping happens, you see it as you go past and it is unsightly and hazardous. But to put it at the end of a cycle path, something that people are using, it is beyond my comprehension.”

According to Liane, over two weeks after the crash Ted remains in “a great deal of pain” and is struggling to sleep.

“The result of this accident is that he won’t be able to go to the gym for a while or cycle,” she says. “That’s the big downside of it, just from someone's thoughtlessness or maliciousness.”

> Cyclist seriously injured after wire stretched across bike path

A spokesperson for West Suffolk Council said: “Those who illegally dump waste or allow others to do so on their behalf are criminally liable and can cause harm to others as well as the local environment.

“We are sorry to hear of the injuries to the cyclist caused by the illegal and thoughtless acts of others and wish him well in his recovery.

“We removed the fly-tipping as soon as we were able and would warn people that they cannot only be prosecuted for fly-tipping but can be liable if they have their waste taken away and it is dumped as they need to take reasonable steps to check if the people they are using are registered waste carriers.”

And just when you thought upended cars were your only worry on off-road bike paths…

Derwent Walk blocked (Twitter/@ShitBikePhotos)
11 July 2023, 15:29
“Cold blooded” Pello Bilbao takes emotional stage win and surges up GC on frantic, scintillating day at the Tour de France

On a baking hot day in central France Pello Bilbao proved he possessed the breakaway’s coolest head, refusing to panic during a chaotic finale before outsprinting Georg Zimmermann in Issoire to secure his first ever Tour de France stage win, 13 years into his pro career.

The 33-year-old Basque climber’s tactical nous not only netted him the emotional victory – which he dedicated to Bahrain Victorious teammate and friend Gino Mäder, who died following a crash at last month’s Tour de Suisse – but also saw him vault up the GC to fifth place, following one of the most anarchic Tour stages in recent memory.

The constantly lumpy 167km across the Massif Central, played out in stifling 35°C-plus heat, had everything you could possibly want from a Tour de France stage.

A frenetic opening hour saw the big two, Tadej Pogačar and Jonas Vingegaard, skip up the road in an early break, forcing the teams of other GC contenders, such as Ineos and Bora, into a desperate chase.

Even once that plucky move was extinguished, the relentless pace, and perhaps a touch of post-rest day lethargy, saw French hopes David Gaudu and Romain Bardet stranded out the back, two minutes down. After another fierce chase from behind, a gathering of Jumbo-Visma riders finally restored a semblance of order by the stage’s halfway mark.

2023 Tour de France, stage 10 (A.S.O./Charly Lopez)

(A.S.O./Charly Lopez)

Not that that message was relayed to the riders who eventually constituted the breakaway, however, with different groups coalescing and fracturing in equal measure throughout the hilly finale (nor was it passed onto perennial rivals Mathieu van der Poel and Wout van Aert, who briefly – and rather mysteriously – launched a joint attack, for the iconic imagery it would generate if nothing else).

The constant chaos of the stage’s opening portion gave way to an equally chaotic and delicately poised three-tier pursuit match towards the finish, as Israel-Premier Tech’s incredibly strong Krists Neilands forged ahead alone into a strong wind, in a bid to hold off a group containing Bilbao, Zimmerman, Esteban Chaves, and a resurgent Ben O’Connor.

Behind that group, an intimidating quartet of Mattias Skjelmose, Julian Alaphilippe, Warren Barguil, and Michal Kwiatkowski lurked menacingly but ultimately toothlessly in the background.

With Neilands eventually brought to heel, the closing kilometres were exhilaratingly fluid, as attacks formed and evaporated in the scorching heat like a distracted child’s ice cream.

But amidst all the chaos, Bilbao remained present and cool, following Zimmerman’s late attack, before taking advantage of the German’s involuntary lead out and shockingly large gear to seal an emotional, and perfectly executed, win.

“Neilands did an impressive attack. I think he was the strongest one but he spent a lot of energy with a hard wind in the face,” Bilbao, whose win and three-minute advantage over the peloton also saw him move up to fifth on GC and firmly enter the battle for an overall podium place, said after the stage.

“In the back group, we collaborated and in the last 3km I knew I was probably the fastest man in the group. I took the responsibility, I closed the gap to O’Connor first, then with cold blood let Zimmermann make his sprint and got on the wheel, and then went full in the last 200 metres without thinking of nothing.”

Dedicating his victory to the memory of Mäder, an emotional Bilbao added: “I crossed the line and just put out all the anger I had inside, remembering the reason for this victory. It’s a special one for Gino. It was the only reason. It was hard to prepare the last two weeks with him in mind. I put all my positive energy to do something nice in the Tour.”

11 July 2023, 14:48
A40 cycleway, Oxfordshire (Paul Elliott)
Why don’t cyclists use the cycle lane? Eh, because I can barely see it: Cyclists slam overgrown bike path now “less than half its original width”

Overgrown cycleways are becoming a bit of a theme this summer, it seems…

After this morning’s complaints of a narrow, ill-kempt off-road bike path in Bury St Edmunds, cyclists in Oxfordshire have complained to the local council about the cycle lane on the A40 between Witney and Oxford, which they say has become overgrown with grass and weeds, reducing it to “less than half its original width”.

“It is now very dangerous to pass oncoming cyclists and pedestrians safely,” Witney cyclist Paul Elliott told the Oxford Mail about the untidy bike lane.

“The grass and weeds have encroached onto the actual path making it less than half its original width. I’ve reported this several times over the last few years to FixMyStreet, each time being told this complaint is closed or already reported by someone else.

“This is a complete joke. If the maintenance was kept up it would cost less in the long term.”

A40 cycleway (Allan Jenkins)

Other residents using Fix My Street have also raised concerns about overhanging trees on the cycleway, with one noting that “it is not possible to cycle along this stretch without having to lower your head”.

“This stretch of the cycle path is sloped and consequently is a fast section when travelling towards Oxford with no barriers between the cycle path and major trunk road,” the local said.

“If a cyclist were to collide with this tree branch, the cyclist would fall into the traffic lane of the A40 with traffic arriving from behind with the potential for very serious injuries."

Another added: “The footpath around the pull-in at the bus stop is so overgrown that it is now almost impassable. This is dangerous for pedestrians and cyclist alike as it forces them to proceed onto the highway, in the opposite direction to the traffic flow.”

In response, Oxfordshire County Council said that work was carried out on the path in June, but following another inspection last week, further trimming will be commissioned – despite the authority’s claim that the path is still “able to be used”.

11 July 2023, 14:17
Future of cycling hub and café secured after council agrees freehold purchase

The future of a much-loved cycling hub and café in Greater Manchester has been secured after Manchester City Council agreed to purchase its freehold.

The purchase of Station South, located on Levenshulme’s Stockport Road, means that the active travel hub will be able to continue to provide a dedicated space for cyclists, as well as the wider community through its café and bar.

Following the purchase, Councillor Bev Craig, Leader of Manchester City Council, said: “Embedding ideas around sustainable travel within our communities is a key part of fulfilling our ambitions around encouraging more people to cycle.

“Station South has already proven its value to residents in Levenshulme, acting as a hub where people can meet likeminded people who can act as torchbearers for cycling across the wider community.

“We look forward to growing our relationship with Station South ensuring their long-term sustainable future.”

“After a period of uncertainty about who our future landlords would be, we are delighted with the news that Manchester City Council are taking ownership of the freehold,” Abigail Pound, Station South’s managing director, added.

“This is a huge vote of confidence in what we’ve achieved so far and the potential for the future; ensuring that the investment that has been made will continue to benefit the community in the very long term.”

11 July 2023, 13:50
Oh wait, there’s more…

I reckon the Pinot-supporting fish beats the Banana-wearing Pidcock lookalike in the crazy fan stakes, but that’s just me (and if you couldn’t tell already, things have calmed a bit in the actual race. Just a bit, mind you).

11 July 2023, 13:30
Things you see at the Tour de France…

And in 40°C heat too, fair play.

11 July 2023, 12:42
Mark Cavendish’s Tour de France bikes through the years

From the Giant TCR and Scott Addict of the late 2000s, to the ultra-modern Specialized Tarmac SL7, take a trip down memory lane and reminisce about Mark Cavendish’s record-equalling Tour de France career, by way of the Manx Missile’s stage-winning steeds…

2023 Mark Cavendish Tour de France stage winning bikes

> Mark Cavendish’s Tour de France bikes through the years — from Scott to Specialized, here’s every bike the Manx Missile won 34 Tour stages on 

11 July 2023, 12:00
I told you it was going to be good…

So, to say the start of stage ten of the Tour de France has been frenetic would be an understatement…

The opening, hilly kilometres out of Vulcania have been absolutely chaotic – attacks are flying everywhere, a group containing Vingegaard, Pogačar, and the Yates twins briefly slipped up the road, Bora and Ineos were forced to chase like the clappers, and GC contenders David Gaudu and Romain Bardet (who had previously been joining in on the attacks), as well as Wout van Aert, are now suffering off the back, almost two minutes down on the rest of the favourites.

And with Matej Mohorič and Julian Alaphilippe driving it on at the front at the moment, the pace won’t be relenting anytime soon.

I’ll see you all in three hours… (I’m joking – kind of.)

11 July 2023, 11:34
Bristol-based cyclist aims to break female LEJOGLE record

When you head out for a leisurely post-work spin this evening, spare a thought for Louise Harris, who is now on the sixth day of her mammoth attempt to break the Guinness World Record for riding from Land’s End to John O’Groats… and back.

The Bristol-based endurance cyclist is aiming to break the LEJOGLE record of 11 days, 13 hours, and 13 minutes, set by 54-year-old Marcia Roberts, who battled through Storm Francis and saddle sores to become the first woman to officially record a time for the long ride south to north and back again in January 2022.

Louise reached John O’Groats, her halfway mark, just before 11pm last night, after four days and 17 hours in the saddle. According to her live tracker, she’s currently making her way back down the A9, approaching Brora, on her way to Inverness.

As well as the record attempt, Louise is putting herself through days of pain and suffering on the bike to raise awareness and money for the charity Galgos Del Sol, which rescues, rehomes, and rehabilitates Galgos, a Spanish breed of hunting dog. You can find more information about her attempt and the charity on Louise’s JustGiving page.

11 July 2023, 10:59
Get the TV on, the start of today’s Tour stage could be feisty…

A pre-stage roller session means only one thing: a big fight for the breakaway on today’s lumpy, and therefore break-favouring, jaunt to Issoire. Get the popcorn ready…

11 July 2023, 10:28
Is it time for a grey jersey at the Tour de France?

With Tadej Pogačar all but certain to add a fourth white jersey to his collection at this year’s Tour de France, eclipsing Jan Ullrich and Andy Schleck as the most successful ‘young rider’ in the race’s history in the process, it’s fair to say that the debate over the relevance of that particular competition in the modern era isn’t a new one.

And with potential GC contenders getting younger and younger – don’t be shocked if Juan Ayuso inherits his UAE Team Emirates mate’s white jersey next year – there is a strong case for a rejigging of the Young Rider’s category (which is currently for whipper snappers under the age of 25) to better reflect the changing tides of grand tour racing and pro rider development.

Or, if you’re listening to Geraint Thomas and the Watts Occurring podcast, ASO should – instead of tweaking the white jersey – simply throw a bone to the old fogies and introduce a Masters-style category for GC men in their 30s…

‘And collecting the first ever grey jersey, and his prize zimmer frame, it’s Geraint Thomas!’

Well, a win’s a win, as G says himself…

11 July 2023, 10:05
And… we’re back!

Apologies for the technical hiccups this morning, everyone, we’ve just been trying to get to grips with having two live blogs on the site at the same time.

(Two live blogs, Jeremy, two? That’s insane.)

And speaking of that pesky second blog, why not take a quick glance at all the admittedly decent deals on cycling kit and accessories going on at the mindlessly materialist capitalism fest that is Amazon Prime Day…

prime-day-2023 (1)

> Best Amazon Prime Day cycling deals live blog

Right, that’s that bit done, I’m off to my local bike shop (oh look, 30 percent off a Garmin – where’s my log-in details?)…

11 July 2023, 10:01
Terrible football team arrives at training camp in style for once (wait, what do you mean this headline is “biased”?)

If you’re even an occasional viewer of Sky Sports News, you’ll be aware that most footballers turn up for training in their flashy supercars or enormous, atrocious-looking SUVs.

But that wasn’t the case yesterday for Arsenal’s squad, who – I will grudgingly admit – rocked up to their German training camp at the Adidas HQ in Herzogenaurach in some style, for once…

After that brief spin to training, poor Dan may have to find some additional room on the bench for his star-studded Footballers Who Cycle XI

Or maybe they’re all just trying out the club’s new cycle to work scheme?

11 July 2023, 10:01
The Next Generation in Training: Bardet Jnr takes on the dreaded feed zone (with no hint of a sticky bottle in sight)

After storming up the Puy de Dôme on Sunday, three-year-old Angus Bardet – the real star of this year’s Tour de France, I’m sure you’d all agree – spent yesterday’s rest day practising his bidon-grabbing technique, thanks to a cross-peloton souvenir from Lidl-Trek:

Judging by that clip, it seems as if young Angus hasn’t inherited his father’s penchant for super sticky bottles, anyway…

> Stickiest of 'sticky bottles' gets Romain Bardet kicked out of Paris-Nice

I for one can’t wait for the 2043 Tour, when Bardet Jnr will be battling for the yellow jersey against Macs Thomas and Lev Roglič, while Casper Cavendish is busy mopping up the sprints…

After obtaining a PhD, lecturing, and hosting a history podcast at Queen’s University Belfast, Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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brooksby | 1 year ago
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Couple ordered to remove DIY bike parking space on public road outside their home

They swapped their car for a big cargo bike more than a year ago but now the council claim someone has complained

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/couple-ordered-remove-di...

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Before they installed their DIY solution, they asked as many people in their street and two neighbouring streets as they could if anyone minded, and say they had unanimous backing and also consulted with one of their local councillors.

The area they are using takes up less than a parking space on the road near their home, and for more than a year the couple have been using the little area they’ve created to park their big bike.

Then, on Saturday, a man from Bristol City Council’s Neighbourhood Enforcement Team knocked on their door, informing them that there had been a complaint, and demanded they move the planters. A follow up letter claimed the council officer had ‘received complaints’ from the public that ‘the planters are causing obstruction/danger to highway users’.

The letter told them: “Your placing of the planters on the highway is in breach of Section 149 of the Highways Act. Please remove the planters urgently and ensure that they are not replaced on the highway at any time. You may also wish to consider that if any person has an accident has a result of your planters being on the highway, it will be you who will be liable for meeting any compensation claim.”

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chrisonabike replied to brooksby | 1 year ago
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Sigh.  Well putting local stuff in is always vexed.  (Previous stories about cycle "garages" not compliant or somehow just not in keeping ad nauseam).  And "change" and "difference" is enough to have the most reasonable of us in a vein-bulging rage about what seems nothing at all.

Thankfully it shows that the hard-pressed motorist "bullied" by the tax man, councils, police, cyclists and even pedestrians is ... just a mirage.  (Similar story here).

Still - the Guardian says this is "a thing" so I guess it's just woke "signalling" by people who have time and money that hard-working folks don't.  The kind that right-thinking practical grown-ups should condemn.

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OnYerBike replied to brooksby | 1 year ago
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They just need one of these:

(source: https://twitter.com/_wearepossible/status/1509808191953158152 )

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brooksby | 1 year ago
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Other residents using Fix My Street have also raised concerns about overhanging trees on the cycleway, with one noting that “it is not possible to cycle along this stretch without having to lower your head”.

I'd always assumed that was an intentional feature of most cycle paths.

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Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Definitely time for a rethink about the white jersey, which is clearly more or less worthless to the new young GC riders, indeed their body language at the presentations often seems to say they would far rather be getting on with their recovery then hanging around for a pointless jersey. Change it to best placed GC rider who's been on the world tour two years or fewer?

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ErnieC replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

Definitely time for a rethink about the white jersey, which is clearly more or less worthless to the new young GC riders, indeed their body language at the presentations often seems to say they would far rather be getting on with their recovery then hanging around for a pointless jersey. Change it to best placed GC rider who's been on the world tour two years or fewer?

Or lose it completely. 

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brooksby | 1 year ago
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Paris to charge SUV drivers higher parking fees to tackle ‘auto-besity’ (Grauniad)

Size, weight and motor will be taken into account as councillors target ‘dangerous, cumbersome’ vehicles

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/11/paris-charge-suv-drivers-h...

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Officials say the number of SUVs in the city has increased by 60% over the last four years and they now make up 15% of the 1.15m private vehicles parked in Paris every evening. They hope raising fees will put a brake on the increase and encourage the ownership of lighter vehicles.

“From 1 January 2024, SUV owners can expect to pay higher fees to park in the French capital,” the council said in a statement.

David Belliard, a deputy mayor responsible for public space and mobility policy, said SUVs were incongruous in an urban environment.

“There are no dirt paths , no mountain roads … SUVs are absolutely useless in Paris. Worse, they are dangerous, cumbersome and use too many resources to manufacture,” Belliard said.

 

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eburtthebike replied to brooksby | 1 year ago
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Auto-besity: I'm stealing that.yes

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andystow | 1 year ago
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Another beating and bike theft, this time in Gosport.

https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2023-07-10/cyclist-suffered-bleed-on-b...

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Hirsute | 1 year ago
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So much for global warming. Was overtaken at lunch time by a gritter actually gritting the main road. Must be a risk of snow, ice and hail in Essex !

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quiff replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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That wasn't gritting, that was pothole repairs if the ones round me are anything to go by.

EDIT: see, this is how this repair works: https://road.cc/content/news/cyclists-disbelief-embarrassing-and-dangerous-road-302487

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Hirsute replied to quiff | 1 year ago
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Unfortunately my battery gave out on the way back so no photo to prove it !

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Matthew Acton-Varian | 1 year ago
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As I said yesterday, remember the name, Angus Bardet. Definitely a future star in the making.

 

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mark1a replied to Matthew Acton-Varian | 1 year ago
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Bardet, bardet, ba wadlida day, ay, ay, bardet, bardet...

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mpdouglas | 1 year ago
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If the story about riding into the fly-tipped waste was intended to generate sympathy for the rider then it hasn't worked for me. How on earth does anyone riding appropriately crash into that without seeing it? On a daily basis we lambast car drivers that try the " I couldn't see you because of the bright sunlight/overgrown foliage/distractions on the pavement etc etc", yet here we are trotting out exactly the same excuse! It's a good job the waste wasn't a small child, elderly person on a mobility scooter or the like! The waste pile is only yards from a bollard that presumably marks the transition to a different type of road/junction - why would anyone be riding at a speed from which they couldn't stop when they are approaching that or have just come through it????

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Hirsute replied to mpdouglas | 1 year ago
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Always travel at a speed in which you can stop in the distance you see is clear.

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Flâneur replied to mpdouglas | 1 year ago
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Seems to be here. If so, one of the most pointless path cut-throughs imaginable. That can be blamed on the council for creating it and/or not maintaining it, or the rider for actually using it!

Looks like the kind of spot flytippers love, don't think malice needs to be ascribed where laziness and stupidity explains more than adequately.

Anyway, hope the chap has a speedy recovery and gets back on his bike soon.

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quiff replied to Flâneur | 1 year ago
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This sort of arrangement (different entrances / exits for different directions of travel) is perfectly commonplace. To suggest it's the rider's fault for using a legitimate cycle route is pretty tasteless.  

As someone else has written, fly-tipping is always malicious - perhaps not in the sense that they intend it to cause someone physical harm, but in the sense that it is an intentional act designed to avoid the hassle (and usually financial cost) of properly disposing of waste. People don't do it just out of laziness or stupidity.    

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Matthew Acton-Varian replied to quiff | 1 year ago
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In addition, the fact that it is part of the National Cycle Route Network means that councils have an obligation to maintain them. This may have been a first instance of fly tipping at this spot, at which point the dangers are very much not expected, from anyone. But it had to become an attractive place to fly tip in the first place for someone to actually do it. If it has happened multiple times then the council are very much inclined to take preventative measures, otherwise face pressures from the NCN and the Government.

Either way, if the pathway was properly maintained, it is unlikely the waste would have been dumped there, unless it was specifically done as a malicious trap.

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Mr.C replied to Matthew Acton-Varian | 1 year ago
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Matthew Acton-Varian wrote:

In addition, the fact that it is part of the National Cycle Route Network means that councils have an obligation to maintain them.

 

Really?  Someone had better tell Cambridgeshire CC.

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Awavey replied to Flâneur | 1 year ago
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I agree ties in with a report of waste blocking on the path reported a few days after the accident on the Suffolk report a pothole site.

garden waste is a weird one though, in terms of fly tippage, theres plenty of other rubbish that gets dumped on lanes like this, as we do have brown bins, even if some local councils do charge for their use

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cyclisto replied to mpdouglas | 1 year ago
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We have to be honest with ourselves. In night without artificial lighting and using only the vehicle's light, I believe around 90% of both drivers and cyclists traveling at their normal cruise speed cannot stop in time if there is a dark wall in the middle of the road around 3 feet tall. Things for cyclists may be even worse given the poor lights many have. I see drivers in unlit motorways speeding at 120mph and imagine how could they possibly stop in an emergency and the same goes for skinny tired caliper brake bikes with insufficient lights.

The big difference is that cars are much more likely injury to themselves or others by such an accident compared to cyclists. Cyclists vs pedestrian accidents for me is in the sticken by a lightning probability area, so better not exaggerate.

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mpdouglas replied to cyclisto | 1 year ago
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You read the bit about this happening at 7:45am in late June, right? It's been light for about 3 hours by that time!

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Matthew Acton-Varian replied to mpdouglas | 1 year ago
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Even in broad daylight, there is so much shrubbery both to the sides and overhead that a decent amount of natural light will be blocked. Weather conditions at the time could also play a part.

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BalladOfStruth replied to Matthew Acton-Varian | 1 year ago
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Okay, so we've established that visibility may have been reduced, so why wasn't the speed reduced to match?

I'm always banging on about how drivers should be following HC rule 124, and that this rule should actually take precedent over the posted speed limit. So I can't exactly not hold cyclists to the same standard. If you're riding so fast that you can't react to a large, stationary obstacle; that's on you.

 

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OnYerBike replied to BalladOfStruth | 1 year ago
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<pedant> I think you mean Rule 126 (Rule 125 also very relevant). Ironically enough, Rule 124 is about following the posted speed limit. </pedant>

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BalladOfStruth replied to OnYerBike | 1 year ago
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OnYerBike wrote:

<pedant> I think you mean Rule 126 (Rule 125 also very relevant). Ironically enough, Rule 124 is about following the posted speed limit. </pedant>

You're right, I typed the wrong one. I meant 125 (also 146, 154). Basically, driving to visibility/weather/surface conditions, not just blindly ploughing on at whatever the speed limit is. A particular bugbear of mine out here in the countryside where most of the "roads" are glorified footpaths, all signposted at NSL. 

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wycombewheeler replied to BalladOfStruth | 1 year ago
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BalladOfStruth wrote:

OnYerBike wrote:

<pedant> I think you mean Rule 126 (Rule 125 also very relevant). Ironically enough, Rule 124 is about following the posted speed limit. </pedant>

You're right, I typed the wrong one. I meant 125 (also 146, 154). Basically, driving to visibility/weather/surface conditions, not just blindly ploughing on at whatever the speed limit is. A particular bugbear of mine out here in the countryside where most of the "roads" are glorified footpaths, all signposted at NSL. 

yes, if there are no lights national speed limit applies, no matter how unsuitable. Obviously we can just leave it to the discretion of drivers, what could go wrong after all?

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brooksby replied to OnYerBike | 1 year ago
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OnYerBike wrote:

<pedant> I think you mean Rule 126 (Rule 125 also very relevant). Ironically enough, Rule 124 is about following the posted speed limit. </pedant>

You realise you are making the HC sound like Space Corp Directives...

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Matthew Acton-Varian replied to BalladOfStruth | 1 year ago
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I agree with you that rule 124  <correction as per OnYerBike - 126*> should absolutely be first point of call, however, if it were to be applied strictly everyone would be going nowhere. If something looks like the road surface bacause its colour somewhat matches that surface you naturally ajudge it to be safe. 

Potholes whilst driving in any conditions outside of clear visibility will look deceptively innocuous for their size right up until the point you can't avoid it. 

The distraction of the overgrowth encroaching onto the space riders take up will also add to the ability to misjudge anything. Being, as per article, on a section of path hidden from view until very close, your suggestion would mean everyone would have to creep around the corner. No bike has a bottom gear small enough for a comfortable cadence at that speed. Are you telling me anyone has the patience and balancing skills to effectively go sub 1mph round a semi-blind bend?

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