Labour MP Kate Hoey says she would like to see more people cycling and supports segregated bike lanes – but she also says that bicycles should be registered and that riders should pay road tax and carry insurance.
The MP for Vauxhall, in the news last month after being fined £240 after being caught driving her Mini through a red traffic light, was speaking to Peter Walker of the Guardian's Bike Blog.
The fine imposed on Hoey provoked widespread derision not to mention schadenfreude among cyclists, whom she had branded in a 2003 Daily Mail article as “law-breaking Lycra louts.”
Hoey told Walker that with the benefit of hindsight, that article had appeared more extreme than she’d intended, and revealed that she backed Mayor of London Boris Johnson’s intention to introduce more cycle lanes in the capital – although it could be argued that her prime motivation for that appears to be to clear the roads for cars.
“I would love to see cycling separated, because I think it would help everybody,” she explained. “If it means more people cycling, great, especially if it makes it easier for me on the road. You're never going to get it everywhere, but it's going to have to happen because there's so many more people cycling.”
“But,” she added, “if we're going to do that don't you think they should have to pay something, as a road tax? Why should I pay a hundred and whatever pounds for my little Mini and they don't?”
Walker explained to her the difference between “road tax,” abolished in the 1930s, and Vehicle Excise Duty, and said she did subsequently email him to say: “By the way I do know that VED is based on size etc of car but the principle is that surely everyone using the road should be licenced and insured.”
Hoey, elected to Parliament in the safe Labour seat of Vauxhall in 1989, also called for bicycles to be fitted with number plates, saying: “What I do genuinely think, and the cycling lobby should argue for it too, is that everyone who rides a bicycle, particularly as a form of transport to work, should be registered, so their bike has a registration number.
“At the moment if someone does knock down an old lady and ride off no one can trace that person.”
While perceived cyclist and pedestrian conflict is a regular hobby-horse for some national and local media outlets and an issue often raised with the police by local residents, thankfully reported injuries are relatively rare.
Last year, according to the Department for Transport’s Reported Road Casualties Great Britain Annual Report 2012, there were 389 reported incidents in which a pedestrian was injured in a collision with a bicycle, of which 97 were serious and two fatal.
By comparison, 212 pedestrians were killed and 3,907 seriously injured following collisions with private cars alone.
As for registration, opponents point out that the bureaucracy – and presumably expense – involved would make such a scheme unworkable and deter people from cycling.
Hoey acknowledged, “I can see why cyclists feel they have to stand up against people,” adding, “but I never see cyclists criticising themselves. Cyclists don't seem to see to do anything about.”
It’s unclear whether Hoey is advocating some form of self-policing, but certainly cycling organisations such as CTC reinforce that cyclists must obey applicable laws, and a road.cc poll in February 2010 found that among site users, it was law-breaking that annoyed them most about other riders’ behaviour.
Walker pointed out to Hoey that speeding or driving through red lights – as she herself did – was common among motorists, and that the potential consequences were much more serious than in the case of a bicycle.
She countered his argument, saying: “But that is a sort of cop out, isn' it? It's like me saying, I'm only driving this little old Mini, why can't [I] just slip through a light as well if there's nothing coming?”
Towards the end of his article, Walker gives his impression of the MP, reflecting that “I don’t think Hoey has any genuine malice towards cyclists, and in many ways she means well. But she has, to my mind, some curious notions” – not least, given she represents a constituency with low levels of car ownership and higher than average levels of cycling, she should be advocating measures that might deter the latter.




















94 thoughts on “Kate Hoey calls for bikes to be registered and cyclists to pay “road tax””
Oh my…where to begin?
I
Oh my…where to begin?
I have already publicly stated that this woman is an embarrassment to the human race, so I wont bother repeating that.
I think there should be mandatory registration of bikes, but not to have a rego plate for easy identification, but for anti theft measures… im pretty sure I have harped on about that before, so no need to cover this again.
I actually wonder what planet this woman actually lives on, what will happen if mandatory insurance is forced on cyclist? the price will sky rocket, it will become un affordable, and just another market for the money grubbing insurance companies to abuse, have a look at the comparative price of car insurance in places where it is not mandatory. Im going back quite a few years ago now, but when I live in Aust, and before 3rd party insurance was compulsory in Victoria, you could get insured for less than $100, but in Queensland or maybe NSW (i think) the same type of insurance was compulsory and $400, apart from that, what about the kids, or the people that ride because they jsut cant afford any other type of transport
The “towards the end” part is just basic journalistic balancing that really needs to stop, this woman has written scathing comments about cyclist in a national newspaper and has clearly shown nothing but malice and hatred to cyclist.
This women is getting a 11%
This women is getting a 11% pay rise as well… I give up.
The worst thing for me is
““If it means more people cycling, great, especially if it makes it easier for me on the road.”
This women should be removed from her safe seat and placed in Richmond, North Yorks to stand next election.
There’s no such tax as ‘Road
There’s no such tax as ‘Road Tax’, it’s vehicle Excise Duty. And she’s an MP…WTF!
OMG responding to this lady
OMG responding to this lady would be like shooting fish in a barrel. Trouble is, if you try and argue with an idiot they will always drag you down to their level. And then win because of their lifelong experience.
matttheaudit wrote:OMG
could not be more eloquently stated
Hellfire. How do these people
Hellfire. How do these people remain in office?!
Absolutely beyond stupidity.
She clearly knows nothing about riding a bike nor her constituents who do so. This woman is the embodiment of our failing democracy.
Well…the UK’s anyway. Sigh!
Sigh: with morons like this
Sigh: with morons like this in charge, is it any wonder the country is f**ked.
In my line of work, you need to be classed as ‘competent’ to perform your role. By that, it is meant that you are knowledgeable, experienced and understand the work you are doing. I doubt many MP’s would pass this test if it was rolled out to them, Kate Hoey being a prime example of those who would fail.
So vehicle band would be a
So vehicle band would be a band A up to 100 g/km, and that costs £0.00
I do have insurance, and do believe for our own protection we should have insurance
But ye again an MP shows they have no idea about cycling =)) =)) =)) =)) =))
mlimburn wrote:
But ye again
To be fair Ben Bradshaw MP despite his deplorable politics did answer in person to my complaint and promised to raise it in the commons.
I’m still struggling to remember what it actually was that I was complaining about.
This woman seems to me to be a bit like the self styled Jeremy Clarkson of politics, a lot of hot air trying to make a big name for herself.
“At the moment if someone
“At the moment if someone does knock down an old lady and ride off no one can trace that person.”
That applies to any pedestrian/pedestrian conflict too. Tell you what, why not chip everyone at birth or barcode their foreheads so they can be traced through CCTV or RFID enabled lampposts? When our politicians are prepared to talk about such levels of control of the minutiae of our live then we’re sleepwalking into a police state. Grrrrr 🙁
“…Walker pointed out to
“…Walker pointed out to Hoey that speeding or driving through red lights – as she herself did – was common among motorists, and that the potential consequences were much more serious than in the case of a bicycle.
She countered his argument, saying: “But that is a sort of cop out, isn’ it? It’s like me saying, I’m only driving this little old Mini, why can’t [I] just slip through a light as well if there’s nothing coming?” …”
Clearly she’s completely stupid.
“Why should I pay a hundred
“Why should I pay a hundred and whatever pounds for my little Mini and they don’t”
Wow. Those Minis really aren’t very fuel efficient are they. I pay £20 a year for my relatively big car with a more sensible engine choice and likewise would be very happy to pay something proportional to emissions for each bike. Creating at least 50% more emissions for something barely 2/3 the size suggests this is more a statement vehicle.
“By the way I do know that VED is based on size etc of car but the principle is that surely everyone using the road should be licenced and insured.”
No. The principle is that everyone that is a significant threat to other road users should be licenced and insured.
johndonnelly wrote:”Why
She drives a 1999 (T Reg) 1.3 litre Mini Cooper, it’s hardly the little-old-granny-mobile she’s making it out to be, if it really was one of those then surely it would be VED exempt due to age?
Ah. thanks for looking up the
Ah. thanks for looking up the actual vehicle. There’s a Jan 1 ’74 cut off for exemption so it won’t make that yet. If I knew where to look it may be interesting to go back and look at voting record – how did she vote on VED exemption?
johndonnelly wrote:Ah. thanks
Surprisingly easy actually:
T545 JGF
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00809/motoring-graphics-2_809718a.jpg
I preferred her other car though
http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/4fc4de576bb3f72044000004/steven-tyler-car.jpg
I also have insurance and
I also have insurance and will gladly pay “road tax” as soon as I get a fair share of the road, and not nearly knocked off every morning by Highway Maintenance tipper trucks! Oh and the potholes repaired, i.e. the day after hell freezes over in this country ~X(
andybnk wrote: Oh and the
You know that hell defrosting is going to make those pot holes even worse than they originally were, right?
This level of stupidity
This level of stupidity should not be allowed in a position of influence.
Fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of VED, how roads are financed and accident levels is on a par with the typical 6 fingered knuckle dragger.
Tool.
It does make you wonder where
It does make you wonder where this will end; will owners of zero VED cars be somehow persecuted because they do not pay any duty? Hoey is beneath contempt on this issue.
Cos compulsory registration,
Cos compulsory registration, licencing, and insurance really works so well for tackling illegal behavior from drivers doesn’t it?
what’s the crap about cyclists not tackling other cyclists about? When was the last time you saw people in cars tackle other drivers?
Utter utter nonsense from someone who should either know better, or at least know when to STFU
Sigh…
I’m ashamed to say
Sigh…
I’m ashamed to say she comes from Northern Ireland. Please don’t send her back…
Also, this deluded eejit was once the Minister for Sport!!!
With that sort of forward thinking it’s time she was retired.
I have cycling insurance. In
I have cycling insurance. In fact three times via my Home contents policy, CTC and British Cycling.
However a large proportion of car drivers don’t have insurance.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23482547
I already pay VED for my car and my bicycles all fall within the zero rated band.
Hoey is an idiot.
Any MP that says cyclists
Any MP that says cyclists should pay ‘Road Tax’ shouldn’t be an MP.
Next!
people like Peter walker
people like Peter walker should not humiliate themselves by talking to specimens like this person – unless it is simply to reveal them as the **********s they are.
I think we need to be more forceful on these issues as follows:
1. “Tax”. It’s not good enough to explain what VED is – we have to explain that the financial cost of motoring to the user is far too low , needs to increase – certainly with regard to the cost of cycling to the user. If you can’t increase fuel – the cost of motoring has declined while everything else like housing, food etc. has gone up -t hen you can start paying cyclists.
2. Number plates. As one commenter has pointed out – that doesn’t stop motorists from getting away with it.
Finally, a word to the segregationists – note how specimens like Hoey like segregation because they can get us out of what they think of as “their way”.
What a moron.
how much Co2
What a moron.
how much Co2 does a bike produce? – close to 0 if you take the lifespan v manufacturer, shipping, repairs etc. based on the government arse of a vehicle license regs (not road tax you deranged bint) that would put a bike under 99 Co2 making it exempt.
It would be fairer to get rid of banding by Co2 (which is complete rubbish as its an artificial figure produced under controlled tests) and place the tax on petrol. the more you use, the more you pay, which for a cyclist is ….. 0 but at least we can clobber the people driving around in their silly 4×4’s.
Just another MP out of touch
Just another MP out of touch with the real world.
I wish that one of the
I wish that one of the cycling bodies spent some serious money advertising the fact that there is no such thing as *ROAD TAX* that a tax disc is actually a VED disc and it is for emissions. They could then point that big 4×4 parked outside the school pay higher VED due to the fact they are poisoning the very children the parents bought the cars to protect? And equally point out that low emission cars, electric cars and cyclist don’t pay VED because they are clean and not contributing to air pollution. Further more they could advertise the fact that money for road building and repair (as poor as it is) is collected from both local taxation and by general tax and that money from VED does not go into highway infrastructure directly.
Maybe if every motorist realised this, including the not so honourably Hoey then sharing the roads would be far less contentious ?
Actually, these comments are
Actually, these comments are revealing of commonly held prejudices which are actually dangerous they are not just another MP out of touch with the real world.
I am just thinking about how to campaign on this.
Maybe write to the Labour Transport and Road Safety shadow Ministers asking them to set Hoey straight on (a) Tax – preferably showing how cost-benefit analyses show that the costs of motoring to society and the environment far outweigh the taxes that motorists pay compared to cyclists and (b) the importance of number plates.
Also, Hoey has been part of the Save Herne Hill campaign (cyclists are Ok if not on the road) and make it clear to the organisers of SHH that she is opposed to people on bikes the moment they get out of the Herne Hill grounds. they should cut off all contact with her.
This conversation with UKIP
This conversation with UKIP candidate Peter Burkinshaw could pretty much be cut and pasted in for Kate Hoey. Sadly.
Be my guest.
http://www.vulpine.cc/Blog/commuting/preaching-to-the-unconvertable
Quote:“I would love to see
Everyone ready to get into the bike ghetto? Make sure you’re wearing your identifying marks of high-vis motley and special headgear too.
Ush wrote:Quote:“I would love
Sad but true! Seems like the lessons of the past haven’t been learnt, or maybe just forgotten.
“If it means more people
“If it means more people cycling, great, especially if it makes it easier for me on the road.”
So its all about self interest. Thats really surprising coming from an MP!
Just a reminder what Brian Paddick said about Hoey: http://youtu.be/sqXyMjQduVg
Since I pay VED for two
Since I pay VED for two motorcycles and a car, I should therefore get a discount for the commuting I make by bicycle when my vehicles are not producing CO2.
Motorists like me who choose to cycle for short journeys are subsidising those motorists who prefer to use their car all the time.
In any case, how much road wear do you think a bicycle makes? Err, effectively none since wear and tear on roads increases exponentially with the vehicle weight.
woman’s an idiot, these MPs
woman’s an idiot, these MPs haven’t got a clue …
I am ABSOLUTELY happy to
I am ABSOLUTELY happy to participate in the VED regime. I am similary happy to turn up at the testing centre in order that they may measure my CO2 emissions. Equally I would co-operate with any tester if they’d like to do this in real world conditions, even climbing the Bwlch if they need to.
I’m then happy to pay my share in comparison to a similar vehicle.
I’m happy for this system to be setup.
But, most of all, I’m happy to attend the Parliamentary investigation into why a system costing millions of pounds to administer has no income whatsoever.
Stupid cow.
Stupid cow.
She is living proof that any
She is living proof that any idiot can get elected to parliament.
Do people come out with this rubbish just to get a few column inches to improve there chances of getting on a reality TV show. She’s definitely not doing it to further her Party’s cause.
She’s making a real twat of
She’s making a real twat of herself. Sell you polluting mini Mrs Hoey and jump on a bike or maybe sell it for an Audi A1 diesel which has a road fund value of…..wait for it ….Zero pounds.
What a dumpling. Now go again to Starbucks for yet another tax free portion of HUMBLE PIE….then resign and do all your voters a favour.
“….so their bike has a
“….so their bike has a registration number.
At the moment if someone does knock down an old lady and ride off no one can trace that person.”
She’s not thought this through has she?
How big a number plate do you think you’ll get on a bike? They can’t trace hit-and-runners in cars most of the time. I’m not really against compulsory road insurance for all but registering bikes, ..good luck.. how many riders have 3, 4 or more? Register the user, maybe. I doubt it will happen though, it would never raise enough to cover implementation.
“But that is a sort of cop out, isn’ it? It’s like me saying, I’m only driving this little old Mini, why can’t [I] just slip through a light as well if there’s nothing coming?”
‘Saying nothing’
james-o wrote:”How big a
I heard about an old boy in Norwich who used to cycle round with a rake mounted sideways on his rack. Whenever someone scratched their car on it he’d say “I’m sorry you didn’t see me mate”.
Sounds ideal and there’s a lot of bikes so we’re going to need quite long reg numbers to justify this.
Carbon reg plate anyone?
Carbon reg plate anyone?
This women is a complete and
This women is a complete and utter idiot and should not be an MP… but there is one point I would like to make about this red light business and people on this site using it against her.
I doubt very much she left the house that morning with the intension to run the red light, however there is certainly a percentage of cyclists who do leave their houses in the morning with the intension of doing so.
I am NOT defending her running the red light at all and in my view anybody who does should get an automatic ban, its highly dangerous, and yes as a cyclist we make mistakes from time to time as we are human, but cyclist who run the lights know they are going to do it and they are giving us all a bad name and idiots like this use that argument against us all the time.
mikeprytherch wrote:
I doubt
This is a distinction without a difference. A large number of motorists run red lights as as matter of routine (just as they routinely enter ASLs on red or park illegally).
Who cares what conscious thought is in their heads when they ‘leave their house’? Why is that important?
You seem to be saying that if you want to break the law, just make sure you don’t consciously think about it – just turn it into an unconscious habit and you will be absolved!
Hmm, a new apartheid anyone?
Hmm, a new apartheid anyone? It does seem that’s what old Hooey wants. Make us all traceable – they could all fit us with little RFID tags… wait… it’s on its way…
Hoey, you broke the law. Take
Hoey, you broke the law. Take your medecine and pipe down.
If 10 or 20 quid per year
If 10 or 20 quid per year would purchase motorists absolute acceptance of my right to be on the road and fair and equal treatment by our justice system for cyclists then I would be the first in the queue to pay!
Unfortunately, I suspect that Hoey’s agenda is more concerned with driving cyclists off the street by adding barriers to participation; encouraging a hierarchy of use with the motorist firmly on top and using the meagre funds that would be generated to justify perpetuating the under provision of cycling facilities.
She does have a small point,
She does have a small point, a hell of a lot more cyclist jump red lights than cars (at least on my London commute) in 5 years I’ve only seen about 2 or 3 clear incidents of cars running reds, whereas I see at least 5 fellow cyclists run them every single day, so I can see why it’s brought up in every single debate on road safety.
There you go Hoey, a cyclist criticising other cyclists.
bikewithnoname wrote:She does
You’ve only seen 2 or 3 in 5 years? That’s about 1 every 2 years. Pull the other one, I’ve seen 3 today!
Incase you want to tweet the
Incase you want to tweet the silly mare, her handle is @hoeykateMP. Like Ive just done.
Needs to learn to keep her gob shut. 8|
I’m not saying its right to
I’m not saying its right to jump lights (and its an emotive subject – read the comment sections of the Indy and the Graun and they’re full of anti cyclist ire that seems a bit disproportionate)
Ok, its crap for the pedestrians if they got hit, but its a bugger to lose momentum at each traffic light, and surely every cyclist makes a judgement call on running each red or dark amber light, knowing he’s the one that’s going to come off worse if his judgement is out.
It’d be a nice easy PR win if people all of a sudden stopped jumping lights though, and it’d wrong-foot a hell of a lot of people, Hoey included.
allez neg wrote:
Ok, its crap
What claptrap. The law is the law. What makes you or anyone else think they’re above it? Rights come with responsibilities.
And using ‘loss of momentum’ as an excuse for RLJ’ing is pathetic: stopping and starting makes you fitter. Rule V applies.
“Aw, it was crap for that child I hit and killed, but hey, I didn’t want to waste any energy”.
Really? So you’re riding home
Really? So you’re riding home late at night, the road is empty and the only person around is a pedestrian who has pressed the button on the crossing but has already crossed to the opposite side, are you really going to stop for the red light? Does it give you some kind of smug sanctimonious glow to do so? Trackstanding in the rain thinking you look cool?
drfabulous0, you don’t
drfabulous0, you don’t describe the pedestrian in enough detail for me to decide whether posing would be worthwhile, however it is hard to look cool when wet so I’d probably not bother embarrassing myself.
My experience of the kind of Shoreditch-tw*t rider you describe is that they’re the most likely to bang through a red light whilst I’m crossing the road with my children on the way to school. That kind of thing makes me angry and I don’t want to be a hypocrite: I don’t think that’s sanctimonious but you’re welcome to your opinion.
drfabulous0 wrote:Really? So
If there’s a red light , I stop for it, wether I’m driving my car, or riding my bike. Even if it’s three in the morning and nobody around. It pisses me off when someone jumps a red light. Usually when it’s a car jumping a red, they speed up as the lights change. When it’s a cyclist, they just go through, whilst all the motorists at the lights are witnessing it. I had an incident when I shouted at a red jumping cyclist, where when the lights changed, the driver to my left tried to cut a 45″ angle in front of me to try to knock me off. All because he was pissed off with the red light jumper. I wonder if that’s why we have an “us and them” situation on the roads? It pisses me off when someone else makes me look like a c#@#@ to other road users, and assume that I routinely jump red lights. I have had some very close calls with people jumping red lights. Once when I was almost hit in the side at about 25mph by a red light jumper, and twice in the same day, I was on a crossing pushing my child in a buggy, when we were nearly hit by a red light jumper. don’t go through red lights, they’re there for safety reasons and traffic flow. If we all stop ata red lights, everyone will be happy, no more us and them. 🙂
obey the law dipsh*t! do you
obey the law dipsh*t! do you think anybody likes stopping for “unneccesary” red lights? You just make us cyclists look bad and then there’s another annoyed car driver out there to cut us up/give us less room and generally think we’re tw*ts (|: X(
drfabulous0 wrote:Really? So
I stop in that situation out of fear that somewhere a petrolhead is lurking and secretly watching, ready to rush home (jumping reds on the way) and post a whinge about red-light-jumping-cyclists!
Actually, usually there isn’t even the pedestrian there (pedestrian-controlled lights actually tend to change back to flashing amber very quickly – its those bloody sensor-controlled junction lights which are the ones that leave you sitting there like an idiot for no purpose).
Though then I tend to dismount and run across the junction, just to avoid giving ammunition to petrolheads. We all know the rules of the road _only_ apply to cyclists – motorists get a special exemption.
A pedestrian once knocked an
A pedestrian once knocked an old lady over and took her handbag before running off. Why can’t we register this menace so we can trace them Hoey?
What a towering imbecile.
What a towering imbecile. Great stuff.
Lady’s an embarrassment to
Lady’s an embarrassment to the Labour Party, and she’s got some stiff competition. Anyways…
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Sadly, outside my bailiwick these days. But maybe something for some of London’s stroppier cyclists to think about.
My 8.5kg bike is propelled by
My 8.5kg bike is propelled by 1Human power. What powers your 1000kg+ ‘little’ Mini Ms Hooey. Confusing Respiration with Combustion again.
Lady do one will you? flippin
Lady do one will you? flippin moron!! 1 of a number of reason why Labour won’t win the next Election 8} ~X(
Shameless pandering to the
Shameless pandering to the anti cycling brigade from an absolute cryptotory gobshite.
She’s alienated the cycling vote by calling them louts so decided to go for the “i ran a red light and I had to pay! All these cyclists get away with it” blah blah blah angle to identify herself to the “pay your road tax!” brigade as there’s more of them and a bit of proclaimed solidarity makes her seem less of a fuckwit to that lot.
If I hadn’t left the labour party already I’d have done so today. She should stick to offering support to fox hunters and Tory panels.
So, she’d be wrong to expect
So, she’d be wrong to expect a christmas card from you then? 😀
Keep it nice guys. Keep it
Keep it nice guys. Keep it nice.
This part of her statement
This part of her statement shows the true intent ;
“…especially if it makes it easier for me on the road”
Another deluded individual who thinks cyclists are the reason the roads are clogged up and preventing her speeding around the roads.
Attitude is the same as the 2003 “lyrca louts” article.
Sadly this nit-wit is an MP.
Ok I’ll keep it nice
I’m
Ok I’ll keep it nice 🙂
I’m disappointed, she’s supposed to be representing people but seems to be doing so without any form of comprehension on the subject matter.
If she was my MP I’d be horrified at the suggestion of spending a fortune to return zero revenue (if done on emissions).
An historical footnote, on
An historical footnote, on visits to Belgian relatives in the 1950s I noticed that bikes had a small triangular metal plate attached to their front forks and was told that this was a bike licence.
The scheme couldn’t have worked as they don’t have them now.
It would be interesting to
It would be interesting to see what the average emissions would be for us cyclists? I bet zero or substantially less than my last zero VED rated cars! Does that mean the government should pay me for riding my bike. The only thing I agree with Hoey is segregation, yep is cyclists have the roads motorways included and let the cars have the cycle lanes. At least the tin box owners won’t be able to hurt us. http://ipayroadtax.com
I live in her constituency,
I live in her constituency, just lost my vote!
You voted for HER?
You voted for HER?
This woman must be an
This woman must be an embarrassment to the Labour Party. I sent her a tweet to suggest she join UKIP with her ill informed views ~X(
If she had a brain she might
If she had a brain she might be dangerous.
“I don’t think Hoey has any
“I don’t think Hoey has any genuine malice towards cyclists, and in many ways she means well. But she has, to my mind, some curious notions”
Curious notions?? Idiotic notions, completely unrealistic stupid half-witted notions don’t you mean?
VED for bikes: the clue is in ‘excise’, i.e. you pay vehicle excise duty for the right to use your vehicle on publicly funded roads. This is based largely on how much damage and pollution your vehicle causes, as well as the facilities your vehicle uses. In short, cyclists should NOT pay excise duty because of: not damaging roads due to extreme lightness and slowness and tiny contact with the road; leaving more road room for motorists than if they were in a car; not polluting at all; not using most of the expensive features of the road system, i.e. motorways, complex junctions and roundabouts, wide roads, dual carriageways, most signs etc. etc., all of which are paid for by the taxpayer, including cyclists, but only used by motorists. Also, with the ten bikes in our house, paying VED on each one would be some ludicrous amount, whereas only the rich have more than one car. It’s an absurd idea from an absurd person.
What a complete f@#%&ing arse
What a complete f@#%&ing arse Kate Hoey is. Clearly she is making it up as she goes along. No sane person, over the age of 12 could surely believe comparing a car, albeit an old Mini, with a bike is a sound counter arguement to red light jumping. Drivers only do it through impatience. Cyclists most often do it to stay clear of other motor vehicles and stay alive.
If Hoey reads this maybe she should remember the differences. A car has four wheels, is nigh on a ton in weight, is able to accelerate to 60mph in 10 seconds or so, is able to stop quickly, can travel in excess of 70mph, and is involved in killing people on a regular basis. Bicycles have none of these qualities. Oh and cars cause road wear so attract VED commensurate with this fact.
Insurance? Number plates? Is she from another planet? Some cyclist has clearly pissed her off and now she has decided to champion a lunatic Daily Mail idea. Just pondering over her views makes me wonder how she ever convinced anyone to vote for her. Arse.
What with this batshit fox
What with this batshit fox botherer spouting off about bikes in London and that poo swinging loonytune in Cambridge the same week I don’t know if the folks at road cc are face in hands in despair at writing about these idiots or they’re putting Hoey up to it to generate articles :S
Where are we supposed to hang
Where are we supposed to hang the registration plate? 8}
This evening I was waiting at
This evening I was waiting at a traffic light on the way home, a spot on Clapham Common with a cycle-only traffic light, from which you can ride across the main road straight ahead or along it. The light turned green so I started riding across the road – and a car decided to continue rather than stop at the red which would have been showing before my light turned green. Of course I was in his way so he had to stop, and he seemed quite sheepish about it. Luckily both of us were going pretty slow at that point.
She does have a small point,
I used to commute on a route where I could watch at least 1 motorist drive through a clear red while I was waiting at the lights, every day (A71 Calder Junction roundabout in Edinburgh, for anyone who knows the road).
The Scottish Governments 2011 accident stats show that 95% of the accidents resulting from road users ignoring traffic signals are the responsibility of motorists.
Of course some cyclists jump red lights, but lets stop repeating the lie that cyclists are the main problem here. More motorist jump reds, and they cause more accidents. That’s a fact.
Kate Hoey – what a disgrace you are, especially as a former Sports Minister.
Do drivers subconciously
Do drivers subconciously reguard red light jumpers as insignificant road users? Do drivers look at a cyclists jumping a red light, and think to themselves, the cyclist isn’t important enough to stop at the red light, so I don’t have to pay any attention to them either? And subsequently reguard them as minor and insignificant? Or does it annoy the drivers waiting at the lights? Are cyclists doing themselves a disservice by jumping red lights?
I realise this makes me sound holier than thou. I am not.
[[[[ I wonder…does K.Hooey
[[[[ I wonder…does K.Hooey ever complain–publicly–about dangerous drivers? If not, I think she’d better explain why not!
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Would I need to get a licence
Would I need to get a licence & insurance for all of my bikes? Apply for a SORN for my MTB that only gets used on the road for a couple of snowy/slushy weeks in winter? Would the licence plate need to be big enough for the ‘drink-driving, speeding, mobile-phoning motorist’ (they ALL do that, don’t they??) can contact the police to tell them that I am not in the cycle lane/gutter, where I belong??
Insurance IS a very good idea.
RLJ’s really are nob-ends.
As are adult path-riders.
Would a licence plate count as a fairing on my TT bike??
Makes perfect sense, I mean
Makes perfect sense, I mean licensing and taxing cars has completely eradicated road traffic collisions hasn’t it? =D>
Let’s slap a VED on running
Let’s slap a VED on running shoes and kid’s trikes too Ms Hoey. What about your everyday pedestrian who spits their gum on the tarmac or chucks a fag butt on the floor? Who pays to clean up that polluting mess?? Total baloney.
In addition to the comments
In addition to the comments made before, cycling at least for me represents somewhat of a purest way of getting about, not unlike walking or running. Taxing folks for getting about under their own steam seems fundamentally wrong.
Taking away the fact that she
Taking away the fact that she is a polititian…there is half logic to this. But again that logic is buearocracy at it’s best. What kids are going to ride bikes with such expenses. Are police going to pursue cyclists…sounds like a cartoon. Lets road tax shoes because they go on roads as well. Lets make OAP’s self insure to walk to the shops…clown
Kinda hoey!
The suggestion in
Kinda hoey!
The suggestion in the article is to jam yet more laws into machine with extremely meagre understanding of the fundamentals.
Cities are perfect for cycling, but not cars. So do something about the problem of cars.
London has a traffic problem. Almost all other UK places simply follow suit.
I hate red light jumpers with
I hate red light jumpers with a passion, they deserve everything they get when something bigger and travelling much faster hits them.
But your average motorist thinks that every cyclist jumps red lights on every conceivable occasion and Ms Hoey is only adding fuel to that fire.
On the one occasion I did not stop at a red light. I spent the next fifteen weeks in hospital and my bike was wrecked.
I would respect politicians a
I would respect politicians a lot more if once in a while they said; ‘you know what, I’m not sure, let me go away and think about it’.
The people don’t demand immediate answers in easy-to-air soundbites, the media does. What the people demand is sensible considered arguments and proposals that have been thought through.
When the BS button is hit just to fill silence with words, all this does is add to the general sense of political disillusionment many people have had for a long while.
Katie, Katie, Katie! better
Katie, Katie, Katie! better not to comment!
However cyclists should be credited some of the money from the huge green energy budget for riding their bikes and contributing to zro emissions.
But I would say this to some of us cyclists: respect traffic rules, get to work/home in one piece and be SAFE!
Love & peace! Love & peace!
Crazy bitch ! Nuff said
Crazy bitch ! Nuff said
Is she suggesting sticking a
Is she suggesting sticking a number plate on the arse of horses too? What about pedestrians, especially joggers, forcing their way past old ladies on the pavement?
Orbea Mike you’re definitely
Orbea Mike you’re definitely onto something here! Pedestrians (or ” reciprocating shoe- operators” as I like to call them) need at least one plate on them. Probably best off with one facing forward and one on their back.
‘Really? So you’re riding
‘Really? So you’re riding home late at night, the road is empty and the only person around is a pedestrian who has pressed the button on the crossing but has already crossed to the opposite side, are you really going to stop for the red light? Does it give you some kind of smug sanctimonious glow to do so? Trackstanding in the rain thinking you look cool? ‘
Trackstanding never looks cool, so I’ll let that one go. But otherwise, you sound a complete idiot.