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Cyclist sought following death of bus passenger in Hull

66-year-old man was killed when bus braked suddenly

Humberside Police have released a CCTV still of a cyclist who they are keen to speak to following the September death of a bus passenger in Hull.

Shortly before 2.10pm on Wednesday, August 31, a Fast Cat bus travelling along Anlaby Road braked suddenly at the junction of Coltman Street.

A 66-year-old Scunthorpe man suffered multiple injuries as a result and died in hospital on September 24.

PC Sean Hutchinson, from the serious collision unit, said: “A number of passengers on the bus came forward following an initial appeal for witnesses and I would like to thank them for their assistance in the investigation. However, we would also like to speak to a man who was cycling in the area at the time of the incident in order to establish the circumstances – or anyone else who witnessed the incident, who has not yet spoken to us."

Anyone with information is asked to call 101, quoting reference number FAT/24.

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Yorkshire wallet | 8 years ago
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Well either passengers should remain seated, or buses need seatbelts. Why exactly don't buses offer any sort of belt option?

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Bluebug replied to Yorkshire wallet | 8 years ago
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Yorkshire wallet wrote:

Well either passengers should remain seated, or buses need seatbelts. Why exactly don't buses offer any sort of belt option?

Due to the type of journeys buses take seat belts aren't considered necessary.   They are on coaches due to the type of journeys coaches take.

You are also told by signs on most  buses around the country to stay seated until the bus stops as then the bus company can claim they aren't   liable if you are injured.   This is due to a case when a teenager got seriously injured on the top deck of a bus years ago.  However I know you can't escape being liable just by putting signs up as it depends on the situation.

 

 

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WillRod | 8 years ago
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The lack of information doesn't help. Ultimately we dont have enough information on the incident, merely re-phrasing and re-wording of other reports of a police appeal.

 

it could be that they are after the cyclist because they pulled out into the road unsafely causing the incident, or it could be because the bus driver was driving dangerously and nearly hit them before emergency braking. Of course it could be some other reason,  but the poor journalism and information request just drives speculation.

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Bluebug replied to WillRod | 8 years ago
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WillRod wrote:

The lack of information doesn't help. Ultimately we dont have enough information on the incident, merely re-phrasing and re-wording of other reports of a police appeal.

The lack of information is delibrate.  The police and CPs may want to charge the bus driver, so to ensure  a fair trial  certain information must not be put in the public domain.

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CXR94Di2 | 8 years ago
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Look at the cyclists position, its not one of a panicked rider about to be crushed by a large vehicle. 

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dottigirl | 8 years ago
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BBC report has this:

Police are looking for a cyclist after a a bus passenger died when the driver took "evasive action" to avoid a collision on a Hull road.

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A 66-year-old man from Scunthorpe suffered serious injuries in the incident on Anlaby Road on 31 August.
He was taken to hospital with head, chest and spinal injuries where he died on 24 September.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-37950669

 

So it appears the cyclist is being blamed.

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Bluebug replied to dottigirl | 8 years ago
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dottigirl wrote:

BBC report has this:

Police are looking for a cyclist after a a bus passenger died when the driver took "evasive action" to avoid a collision on a Hull road.

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A 66-year-old man from Scunthorpe suffered serious injuries in the incident on Anlaby Road on 31 August.
He was taken to hospital with head, chest and spinal injuries where he died on 24 September.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-37950669

 

So it appears the cyclist is being blamed.

The bus driver and the bus company has to blame the cyclist otherwise the bus driver will lose their job and both are liable to get prosecuted.

Remember we don't have the cyclist point of view, and the bus passengers won't be able to see all around the bus.

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brooksby replied to dottigirl | 8 years ago
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dottigirl wrote:

BBC report has this:

Police are looking for a cyclist after a a bus passenger died when the driver took "evasive action" to avoid a collision on a Hull road.

and

A 66-year-old man from Scunthorpe suffered serious injuries in the incident on Anlaby Road on 31 August.
He was taken to hospital with head, chest and spinal injuries where he died on 24 September.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-37950669

 

So it appears the cyclist is being blamed.

I'm not sure. The language used is (deliberately?) ambiguous, but it doesn't say that the evasive action was taken to avoid the cyclist, only that the police want to speak to a cyclist who was there at the time. The evasive action could have been to avoid a collision with pretty much anything else on the road, as far as we can determine from the articles.

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Gus T | 8 years ago
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The photo is a bit misleading, knowing the area and having checked the bus timetable, the cyclist has turned right possibly from Coltman Steet but could also have come off the pavement west of Coltman Street, the shawdows confirm he is heading east, the bus would have been on the opposite carriageway heading west. All the CCTV picture shows is that the cyclist was in the area at or about the time of the bus driver braked and then it's from a bus lane monitoring camera that is focusing on the east bound bus lane, https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/bus_lane_enforcement_camera_loca , not the buses onboard camera. Hull Daily Mail is notoriously anti-cyclist so don't expect accuracy in the report.

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racyrich | 8 years ago
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Reminiscent of this in Essex a few years ago

 

http://www.essexlive.news/bus-passenger-90-dies-collision-bicycle/story-...

 

 

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brooksby | 8 years ago
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The story doesn't imply that the cyclist was involved, only that the police want to speak to them as a witness. No implication that the bus driver braked suddenly *because* of anything the cyclist did.

Was the late passenger standing up to get off the bus when it braked? How did they suffer life threatening injuries when nobody else did? Did the driver suddenly think "Aargh, I'm supposed to be letting someone off here" and throw down the anchors?

My point is, as with so many things, we don't actually know what happened, only that a bus driver braked in a dangerous manner, for whatever reason, and that as a consequence someone was injured badly enough that they died.

 

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Dnnnnnn replied to brooksby | 8 years ago
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brooksby wrote:

My point is, as with so many things, we don't actually know what happened

This.

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CXR94Di2 | 8 years ago
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Lets rename the headline,

"Bus driver startled by cyclist he hadnt seen"  

brakes hard and kills passenger

This is the street view

https://goo.gl/maps/YXt3Kh4Apos

If the cyclist had come out from a side road, clearly he is front of the bus and therefore the bus driver should of anticipated this and already slowed down.  More likely bus driver was playing chicken with whats looks like an elderly rider, thinking the cyclists would not follow through with his manourvre but at the last moment realised he was and then had to slam on, killing his paying passenger.  Bus company then tries to pass the buck.   If there was no collision between each road user then the vehicle driver has only him/her self to blame.

 

 

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Tommytrucker | 8 years ago
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Yep. Blame the cyclist. Wonder if the bus driver has said he had to slam on because the cyclist pulled out in front of him?

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DrJDog replied to Tommytrucker | 8 years ago
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Tommytrucker wrote:

Yep. Blame the cyclist. Wonder if the bus driver has said he had to slam on because the cyclist pulled out in front of him?

Doing some very stretchy interpretation on the cctv still provided I'd guess exactly that. That bike has either turned right out of a side street or overtaken the bus. If he'd just overtaken, why would the bus need to suddenly anchor up?

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