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Egan Bernal unveils bizarre new barnet; All TDF riders return negative COVID-19 tests… Prudhomme test positive; “I don’t mean to be a crybaby”, says Bennett after 1st TDF win; Road Tax Bot’s mission to correct ‘road tax’ myths + more on the live blog

Tuesday’s live blog is brought to you courtesy of Jack Sexty, with some contributions from the other members of the road.cc team
  • by Jack Sexty
Tue, Sep 08, 2020 08:33
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  • Our 2020 Tour de France content is powered by Zwift
  • Tour de France: will anyone have tested positive?
  • Tour de France: unofficial reports that around half of teams returned no positive tests
  • The Tour de France mask-ot
  • Know anyone who believes in 'road tax'? Refer them to the Road Tax Bot
  • Deceuninck–Quick-Step team staff member reportedly returns negative second test after 'lab error' led to initial positive
  • Breaking: All riders and staff at Tour de France reportedly test negative for COVID-19
  • More breaking news: Tour de France race director Christian Prudhomme tests positive for coronavirus
  • New reports that four team members actually tested positive
  • Confirmed: four team staff members return positive COVID-19 tests
  • And they're off!
  • Israel Start-Up Nation rider Patrick Schelling gets four month ban for "non-intentional anti-doping rule violation"
  • Will the French Prime Minister regret decision to ride in the same car as Christian Prudhomme?
  • Stage 10 average speed nearly 50km/h for first 40km
  • French Prime Minister to have COVID-19 test and self-isolate after spending Saturday with Christian Prudhomme
  • Sam Bennett wins stage 10, his first ever Tour de France stage
  • Another marginal gain, or a lost bet? Egan Bernal shows off strange new haircut on his Instagram account
  • "I don't mean to be a crybaby": Sam Bennett super emotional in post-race interview
8 September 2020, 08:33

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8 September 2020, 08:33

Tour de France: will anyone have tested positive?

Tour de France COVID testing is tomorrow. If this was the ’90s, the riders would all have ice packs on their foreheads right now to fool the thermometer, and eating phlegm from a COVID-negative mechanic to pass the swab test.

— Phil Gaimon (@philgaimon) September 7, 2020

Rest day at the Tour de France this year is test day for Covid. Teams are stressed over testing and fans lining the mountain tops without masks or social distancing. pic.twitter.com/ANt0jSXpwk

— Fred Herron (@realFredHerron) September 7, 2020

In 2020 ‘testing positive’ has taken on a whole new meaning, as we’re talking about COVID-19 and not performance-enhancers of course. 

No news has landed officially from the Tour de France organisers or any teams yet, but Sir Dave Brailsford has said that while he expects his team to be all clear, he thinks staff and/or riders on other teams will have some positives. 

“It’s likely there will be issues but I wouldn’t expect our team to have any”, he told The Guardian. 

“We figured that the high-risk area is when everybody sits down to eat. They take their mask off and sit together for longer than 15 minutes and that’s one of the riskiest scenarios. That’s why we brought a second chef.

“We have our kitchen truck, so we have one chef cooking for the riders as normal and the second chef cooking for all of the staff. All of the staff have eaten outside (the hotel) since we got here. Once you buy into it, it’s OK really.”

Results are being analysed by team doctors before stage 10 begins, and if two members of any team test positive, they will be forced to leave the Tour.

8 September 2020, 08:33

Tour de France: unofficial reports that around half of teams returned no positive tests

El equipo @JumboVismaRoad del líder Primoz Roglic se sube al bus para ir a la isla de Oleron, arranque de la etapa 10 de @LeTour. Sin noticias de positivos por Covid-19. https://t.co/TqMHQ7wEu1

— Quique Iglesias (@qiglesias) September 8, 2020

Still nothing official from Le Tour or the UCI, but journalists on the ground are reporting that no positives have been announced yet. Primoz Roglic was spotted boarding a bus to the start of stage 10, which suggests Jumbo-Visma are all clear. 

8 September 2020, 08:33

The Tour de France mask-ot

🇫🇷 #TDF2020

Bonjour!🦁 pic.twitter.com/Pz9qCrllta

— Team Jumbo-Visma cycling (@JumboVismaRoad) September 8, 2020

We’ll take that as Jumbo-Visma definitely have nothing serious to report. Bora-Hansgrohe have also announced they are gearing up for stage 10, which we ‘think’ suggests they’re all clear. 

🇫🇷 #TDF2020

After Monday’s rest day, let’s jump into Stage 10 of @letour:

📍 Île d’Oléron ➡️ Île de Ré
🚩 Start 13:30
🏁 Finish ca. 17:30
🛣️ 168.5km
🥞 Flat pic.twitter.com/mFIV6Z5A8Z

— BORA – hansgrohe (@BORAhansgrohe) September 8, 2020

8 September 2020, 08:33

Know anyone who believes in 'road tax'? Refer them to the Road Tax Bot

Beep beep. Road tax was abolished in 1937.
Motor vehicles are taxed on emissions. Electric cars are exempt from charges as are bicycles as the emissions are zero.

Road building and repairs are paid from general taxation which the general population pay through many forms of tax.

— Road Tax Bot (@RoadTaxBot2) September 8, 2020

It’s come to our attention that the Road Tax Bot Twitter account, created some time in August, has taken the liberty of seeking out people spouting nonsense about the mythical ‘road tax’ and correcting them. Here are a few more examples…

Beep beep. Road tax was abolished in 1937.
Motor vehicles are taxed on emissions. Electric cars are exempt from charges as are bicycles as the emissions are zero.

Road building and repairs are paid from general taxation which the general population pay through many forms of tax.

— Road Tax Bot (@RoadTaxBot2) September 6, 2020

Beep beep. Road tax was abolished in 1937.
Motor vehicles are taxed on emissions. Electric cars are exempt from charges as are bicycles as the emissions are zero.

Road building and repairs are paid from general taxation which the general population pay through many forms of tax.

— Road Tax Bot (@RoadTaxBot2) September 6, 2020

Beep beep. Road tax was abolished in 1937.
Motor vehicles are taxed on emissions. Electric cars are exempt from charges as are bicycles as the emissions are zero.

Road building and repairs are paid from general taxation which the general population pay through many forms of tax.

— Road Tax Bot (@RoadTaxBot2) September 5, 2020

8 September 2020, 08:33

Deceuninck–Quick-Step team staff member reportedly returns negative second test after 'lab error' led to initial positive

Deceunink ‘As you will have seen, it has been reported that a member of our team staff was collected from our team hotel this morning. An error was made in the laboratory with the sample that the individual gave yesterday, meaning they were taken for restesting this morning….

— Gregor Brown (@gregorbrown) September 8, 2020

…. The result of this second test has been returned as negative and we will continue to race as normal.’

— Gregor Brown (@gregorbrown) September 8, 2020

Again nothing officially announced by Quick-Step yet in the form of a press release/statement, but Gregor Brown of Flo Bikes is reporting that the team say a staff member who was collected this morning to undergo a second test has now returned a negative, following an error made in the lab with the first test. Still no reports of any positive tests, and it’s looking more like stage 10 will go ahead with all riders who finished stage 9 at the moment. 

8 September 2020, 08:33

Breaking: All riders and staff at Tour de France reportedly test negative for COVID-19

Caleb Ewan wins 2020 Tour de France Stage 3 © CorVos/SWpix.com_
SWpix (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Caleb Ewan wins 2020 Tour de France Stage 3 © CorVos/SWpix.com_
SWpix (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Quite remarkably that is the case according to L’Equipe, who are reporting that the Tour de France chief medical officer Florence Pommery has cleared all 22 teams to start stage 10. The first test was carried out in Pau before the ninth stage, then another in La Rochelle during Monday’s rest day. 

It looks like the show will go on… will the race make it to Paris? 

8 September 2020, 08:33

More breaking news: Tour de France race director Christian Prudhomme tests positive for coronavirus

#TDF2020 Christian Prudhomme positif au COVID-19. Le patron du Tour est en train d’être retesté et n’a pas été aperçu ce matin au village départ.

— Valentin Jacquemet (@valjacquemet) September 8, 2020

A ‘you couldn’t make it up’ scenario, as all riders and teams are clear according to early reports, but the event’s director has tested positive according to French radio. Here he is in a car with Prime Minister Jean Castex at the weekend. Oops… 

Le Premier Ministre Jean Castex en visite sur le Tour 2020.#TDF2020 #TourdeFrance #tourdefrance2020 pic.twitter.com/6B0eoht9il

— Miroir du Cyclisme (@Miroir2Cyclisme) September 5, 2020

8 September 2020, 08:33

New reports that four team members actually tested positive

🔴Exclusif Christian Prudhomme positif coronavirus #TDF2020 Et 4 membres de 4 équipes 🔴

— Christian Ollivier (@c_ollivier_rtl) September 8, 2020

Earlier it was thought that all riders and staff tested negative, but now RTL claim that four team staffers actually returned positive tests. We’re still awaiting official confirmation from ASO and/or the UCI. 

8 September 2020, 08:33

Confirmed: four team staff members return positive COVID-19 tests

OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE
⁰COMMUNIQUE OFFICIEL#TDF2020 pic.twitter.com/b5529teCvS

— Tour de France™ (@LeTour) September 8, 2020

Despite what Sir Dave Brailsford said earlier, one of his staff members plus one each from Confidis, AG2R La Mondiale and Mitchelton-Scott have returned positive tests. The joint announcement also says that a “technical service provider” has also left the race because of a positive test, which is a strange way of referring to the race’s director if they mean Christian Prudhomme. 

The long and short of it is, the race will continue and no teams have been expelled. 

8 September 2020, 08:33

And they're off!

🚩 Stage 10 is underway. And we have a Swiss duo at the front! 🇨🇭

🚩 L’étape 10 du #TDF2020 est lancée. Un duo suisse se détache dès le départ ! 🇨🇭#TDF2020 #TDFunited pic.twitter.com/Qa4Z5jNSnS

— Tour de France™ (@LeTour) September 8, 2020

With four teams missing a staff member each, stage 10 is away. The Tour’s first island-to-island stage is summarised by the (now quarantined) race director Christian Prudhomme as this:

“Two islands linked by a stage of the Tour, that’s already a first for the peloton that will find it hard to make it bunched to Saint-Martin-de-Ré. The stage will be marked by the Vauban buildings in Royan, Rochefort or La Rochelle, but also by a course mainly set by the sea… and the crossing of marshlands swept by wind.”

8 September 2020, 08:33

Israel Start-Up Nation rider Patrick Schelling gets four month ban for "non-intentional anti-doping rule violation"

patrick schelling - via israel start-up nation.PNG
patrick schelling - via israel start-up nation (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
patrick schelling - via israel start-up nation.PNG
patrick schelling – via israel start-up nation (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

The Swiss rider has been sanctioned with a four month period of ineligibility from the UCI, after returning an adverse analytical finding for Terbutaline in a sample that was collected back in February – the violation was described as “non-intentional”.

The ban was started from 18th May, so Schelling will be free to compete again from next Friday, and his results from the Tour of Rwanda earlier this year were disqualified. 

8 September 2020, 08:33

Will the French Prime Minister regret decision to ride in the same car as Christian Prudhomme?

Covid-19 testi pozitif sonuçlanan Prudhomme, geçtiğimiz hafta bir etabı, Fransa Başbakanı Jean Castex ile aynı araçta takip etmişti. pic.twitter.com/UAqLTGsDrW

— Cyclist Türkiye (@CyclistTR) September 8, 2020

Prudhomme is now quarantining after a positive coronavirus test, and spent the day in a car with Jean Castex on Saturday. Ironically, the French Prime Minister told reporters that he was happy about the coronavirus situation despite teams pleading with spectators to wear masks, commenting: “We are prudent, but life goes on. The Tour is happening, the party continues.”

The party is over for the race’s director as it stands, but hopefully all teams will make it to Paris. 

8 September 2020, 08:33

Stage 10 average speed nearly 50km/h for first 40km

Average speeds in the first 40 km of Stage 10 of #TDF2020

Attackers 49.6km/h
Peloton 48.1km/h#TDFdata | @LeTour pic.twitter.com/icLsgN9g9G

— letourdata (@letourdata) September 8, 2020

At this rapid rate, the 168.5km stage has less than three hours to go. 

8 September 2020, 08:33

French Prime Minister to have COVID-19 test and self-isolate after spending Saturday with Christian Prudhomme

Jean Castex 2 - via wikimedia commons
Jean Castex 2 - via wikimedia commons (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Jean Castex 2 - via wikimedia commons
Jean Castex 2 – via wikimedia commons (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Jean Castex also rode in a car with the Tour de France race director at the weekend and will now have to self-isolate, only returning to normal life if his cornavirus test comes back negative according to President Emmanuel Macron. 

The Prime Minister’s press office told Euronews that Prudhomme and Castex wore masks for the duration of their time in contact with one another, but Castex said that he would “apply the rules that the government had decided” and get tested immediately.

8 September 2020, 08:33

Sam Bennett wins stage 10, his first ever Tour de France stage

🏆 ☘️ @Sammmy_Be wins! 🏆

🏆 ☘️ Le champion d’Irlande s’impose sur l’Île de Ré ! 🏆#TDF2020 #TDFunited pic.twitter.com/wOwPOY6qdF

— Tour de France™ (@LeTour) September 8, 2020

The Irishman has finally added a Tour de France stage to his palmares, holding off Caleb Ewan and Peter Sagan on the line and taking back the green jersey in the process. 

You could say it’s poetic justice, as the man reason Bennett left Bora–Hansgrohe for Deceuninck–Quick-Step was because he couldn’t get a shot at the Tour de France ahead of Sagan – now he’s beaten him on cycling’s biggest stage, and pinched his green jersey. 

8 September 2020, 08:33

Another marginal gain, or a lost bet? Egan Bernal shows off strange new haircut on his Instagram account

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egan bernal haircut - via instagram story (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
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egan bernal haircut – via instagram story (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

“Let’s rock”, says the caption on Egan Bernal’s latest Instagram story… but according to some on social media, Bernal’s new barnet has hit rock bottom. 

That’s not a hair cut, he must have lost a bet, it’s terrible

— mavis Evans (@MaveEvans) September 8, 2020

Did he loss a bet? @LukeRowe1990 did you cut his hair 🤣

— Duke_Rojo_Cycling (@dukerojocycling) September 8, 2020

‘Just fuck my shit up’

— Westland (@Westlan93076769) September 8, 2020

This photo needs to come with a warning.

— Töm Réÿnöldš ❌ (@TomReynolds_AU) September 8, 2020

Although, is there a chance the chop could be the most marginal of marginal gains to shed a little bit of extra weight? You’d think it would be better to cut the lot off, both from a weight-saving and a not looking a bit weird perspective. 

The race is really on now on this exposed coastal section. @RichardCarapazM was held up behind a crash, while Bernal has @kwiato and Rowe for support. 14km to go #TDF2020 pic.twitter.com/TloaBNklYO

— INEOS Grenadiers (@INEOSGrenadiers) September 8, 2020

It seems to be bringing him good luck in the crosswinds on stage 10 so far, safely being sheltered by Luke Rowe and Michał Kwiatkowski while teammate Richard Carapaz was held up in an earlier crash. 

8 September 2020, 08:33

"I don't mean to be a crybaby": Sam Bennett super emotional in post-race interview

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sam bennett itv - screenshot (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
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sam bennett itv – screenshot (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Speaking to ITV, Bennett was stunned at first then the floodgates opened, in tears through his Quick-Step mask. 

He said: “I just want to thank everyone who’s been involved, I want to thank my wife and everyone around me. 

“You dream of it and never think it will happen and it did. I don’t know, it took a while before it hit me. Oh man. 

“Sorry, I don’t mean to be a crybaby.”

8 September 2020, 08:33

Wendy Satterthwaite says the six month suspended sentence handed to killer driver David McSkimming has "totally destroyed" her family's faith in the justice system

"Wholly and morally wrong": wife of cyclist killed by speeding driver says family are "traumatised" by lenient suspended sentence

"Wholly and morally wrong": wife of cyclist killed by speeding driver says family are "traumatised" by lenient suspended sentence

Wendy Satterthwaite says the six month suspended sentence handed to killer driver David McSkimming has "totally destroyed" her family's faith in the justice system

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  1. EddyBerckx
    September 8, 2020 at 8:49 am
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    “Results are being analysed

    “Results are being analysed by team doctors before stage 10 begins, and if two members of any team test positive, they will be forced to leave the Tour.”

    I wonder if any would consider covering up positive tests to stay on the tour, especially if they think the staff members haven’t been in contact with the riders etc? 

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    • Gkam84
      September 8, 2020 at 11:59 am
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      Yup, the word is there

      Yup, the word is there already has been a “cover up” from a certain team. Not only have they sent the positive staff member away to isolate, but also another three members have been told to leave the race and isolate aswell, all being replaced by a “stand by” team of staff members who were travelling “alongside” the race in a team vehicle, isolated from the outside world…As the next round of testing isn’t until the 14th on the next rest day, they will try to navigate the French government ruling that staff have to be included in the “two-strike” rule…

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      • AlsoSomniloquism
        September 8, 2020 at 2:54 pm
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        I thought the support staff

        I thought the support staff rule had already been dropped and only riders count for a team suspension from the race for multiple positives. Sure Road.cc had an article mentioning it right before the Grand Depart. 

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        • Gkam84
          September 8, 2020 at 4:06 pm
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          That was going to be the rule

          That was going to be the rule, but not long after that was announced, the French government made them change it back. I don’t see that Road.cc covered the change.
           

          The ‘two strike, team out rule’ was confirmed last week but it had been softened by the UCI on Friday to cover only positive cases among riders following a series of meetings between teams, the UCI and ASO in the build-up to the Tour.

          In response to the rising levels of contagion in France, however, the French government’s coronavirus pandemic task force interceded late on Friday, and the original wording of the ruling has been restored.

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  2. brooksby
    September 8, 2020 at 9:30 am
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    I wonder why it is that so

    I wonder why it is that so many people don’t appear to think that they need to check their spelling or grammar when twittering?

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    • nniff
      September 8, 2020 at 9:54 am
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      brooksby wrote:

      I wonder why it is that so many people don’t appear to think that they need to check their spelling or grammar when twittering?

      — brooksby

      Oh, but they have, and found nothing wrong with their grammar, spelling or argument.  There must be some pithy American proverb along the lines of, “There ain’t no point in teachin’ stupid”.

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    • mdavidford
      September 8, 2020 at 9:57 am
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      Well, if it’s good enough for

      Well, if it’s good enough for road.cc article writers…

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      • nniff
        September 8, 2020 at 10:35 am
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        mdavidford wrote:

        Well, if it’s good enough for road.cc article writers…

        — mdavidford

        Miaow!

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        • JonSP
          September 8, 2020 at 10:43 am
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          It’s not just Tweets, it’s

          It’s not just Tweets, it’s all over the place. I noticed a book blurb on Facebook this morning — apparently from a publishing company, not a self-published author — referring to ‘uncensored tails’. 
          The mind boggles.

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          • Compact Corned Beef
            September 8, 2020 at 11:53 am
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            Surely there *must* be a

            Surely there *must* be a squirrel related picture out there!

          • hawkinspeter
            September 8, 2020 at 12:51 pm
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            Compact Corned Beef wrote:

            Surely there *must* be a squirrel related picture out there!

            — Compact Corned Beef

            Ooh – I’ve got a picture just perfect for this. Hold on a minute, I’ll go and find it

  3. Compact Corned Beef
    September 8, 2020 at 9:54 am
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    Perhaps foolishly, I jumped

    Perhaps foolishly, I jumped onto the twitter channel of one of the road tax goons – Shaun Wheeldon – expecting a few more ‘bloody cyclists’ tweets.

    I was surprised to see that his background image was a picture of Enoch Powell. At that point I was less surprised to see that his twitter feed was one long racist diatribe in bite-size retweeted chunks. I’m not suggesting there’s a causal link between anti-cycling and racism, but it’s not too much of a stretch to consider that if someone’s an ill-informed bigot on one issue that’ll spill over.

    I’m not sure if I’m more angry or sad for these people really. What must it be like to live in fear, feeling threatened by difference and change? Anyway, rant over. Hoping for good news from the Tour!

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    • JonSP
      September 8, 2020 at 10:41 am
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      Don’t know if the link is

      Don’t know if the link is causal, but I’m sure there’s a strong correlation.

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  4. mdavidford
    September 8, 2020 at 12:11 pm
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    Quote:

    Quite remarkably [everyone testing negative] is the case

    Even if it had been accurate, I’m not sure it would have been that remarkable, given that apparently it typically takes about a week to develop enough to be detected, and everyone was ‘bubbled’ prior to the race. If there’s going to be a significant outbreak, it seems more likely that it would be picked up in the next round of tests.

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  5. peted76
    September 8, 2020 at 4:39 pm
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    Bernal: Seriously.. Dave…

    Bernal: Seriously.. Dave… don’t worry, I feel great …if I’m not in yellow by the first rest day you can let Pavel shave my head Russian style.

    Pavel: Heh.. take the bet Dave!!

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  6. Gary's bike channel
    September 8, 2020 at 8:42 pm
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    i probably pay more vehicle

    i probably pay more vehicle tax than any of the people who post about riders not paying it. my sv650- 92 qui a year. the er500, is  66 quid. The husqvarna is 20 quid. My corsa- 155 quid. The nissan truck- 255 quid[ big dirty diesel]. Plus the 450 quid i just paid to insure them all, the tax on the fuel for all of them. Meanwhile mr old dithering fool in his nissan leaf pays nothing and takes up the whole road behind a long line of other people who haven’t paid as much road tax as me and slow me down on my motorbikes AND my bicycles!! how ridiculous. Wait so whats my total then. just shy of 600 quid a year in ”road tax”. 

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    • NZ Vegan Rider
      September 8, 2020 at 9:00 pm
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      I’ve got a Suzuki SV650 too

      I’ve got a Suzuki SV650 too 😉

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      • Gary's bike channel
        September 9, 2020 at 8:54 am
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        what year? mines a 2019 with

        what year? mines a 2019 with delkevic end can

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