Cyclist finds 20 cars parked in 0.2 mile stretch of pop-up cycle lane; Council say ‘No’ to ‘No cycling’; UK everesting record falls again; New bike for Vine’s neighbour; Dirty Kanza founder sacked; Roglič wins Slovenian nats + more on the live blog
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Weekend catch-up
Been busy injecting sweet croud-less Premier League football into your veins after a 100 day hiatus? Us neither, but here’s what you missed if you didn’t read road.cc this weekend for any reason…
Has cycling passed its peak? Cycling levels down as motor traffic doubles
Paralympic champion Alex Zanardi in critical condition after lorry crash
Extinction Rebellion chalk out guerrilla cycle lanes on Holland Park Avenue
Video: Driver turns across Jeremy Vine’s path on new pop-up bike lane
Richmond Park open again to all cyclists all day long on weekdays from tomorrow
Pensioner beaten up and robbed of e-bike in vicious attack
Near Miss of the Day 426: Driver squeezes cyclist into kerb – but no action taken by police
London cyclist threatened by man with firearm in “totally random incident”
Primož Roglič wins (real life) Slovenian national title, the first major UCI event since the start of the pandemic
As cycling’s World Tour gets set to come back to life later in the summer, Slovenia has already held its national road race championships – the first major UCI event since the start of the lockdown – as the 2019 Vuelta champ powered to victory on the the 146 kilometre course. After an early breakaway that was caught, Roglič was left with UAE Team Emirates rider Tadej Pogačar for company, but eventually got away on the final climb of the day.
Roglič said: “It was a tough race with a very tough final climb. Given the results in the spring, Tadej was the favourite and it was certainly not easy to beat him. I had reckoned the climb well in the past few days, so I knew where I had to attack. The fact that I take the victory here in my first race of the season feels very good. I am definitely not in top form yet, but I am already looking forward to the upcoming races.”
Bus drivers put on static bikes to experience close passes
Bus drivers in Bolivia get to know THAT feeling in training session 🤣 pic.twitter.com/Pdn2P7GjJ0
— Carlos (@carlosfgarciac) June 20, 2020
Back in 2016, a video went viral in which Brazilian bus drivers were placed on static bikes so they could experience how it feels for a bus to drive past them closely; and this latest clip that is doing the rounds on social media is reportedly from Costa Rica, despite the video’s description… cue the “you think THAT was close?” comments.
Dirty Kanza release new statement on sacking of founder Jim Cummins, after he described police shooting of Rayshard Brooks as 'justified'
As most of you know by now, we made the difficult decision yesterday to mutually part ways with the founder of Dirty Kanza. On behalf of all of us and our organization, we are truly sorry for the hurt and emotional… https://t.co/UyM5fDOhG7
— Dirty Kanza 200 (@DirtyKanza200) June 22, 2020
Over the weekend, the founder and director of arguably the world’s premier long distance gravel event Jim Cummins shared a post on Facebook, in which he described the shooting of Rayshard Brooks by police in Atlanta as “justified”. Brooks was shot dead on Friday as he fled officers after seizing a taser gun. The mayor of Atlanta and a number of politicians have described the use of lethal force as not justified, and it’s sparked another wave of anti-racism protests.
Shortly after Cummins’ aired his views, Life Time, the company behind the Dirty Kanza, “mutually parted ways” with its founder, and have released a new more detailed statement on social media clarifying their decision. One part says: “Our cycling community is very diverse, and it’s one of the key factors that make us so unique and strong. At the same time, we stand by our decision as a company and by our vision and values that aim to ensure that everyone is accepted and supported. Those visions and values do not have a place for racism, prejudice or discrimination.
“We are committed to taking action to ensure these values are upheld and continue to be centred in our work both as a brand and as an event. Most of all, we are committed to listening, learning and continuing to grow.”
Life Time also says they have launched a ‘Diversity and Inclusion Council’ to ‘put intentional focus’ on changes they want to make to their company, clubs and events.
Change the name.
Via IG @citygirlrides pic.twitter.com/sU46vjfe1G
— Moxie, elixir for the oppressed (@ediblesticker) June 21, 2020
The team have received much praise for their decision – while others have accused them of stifling Mr Cummins’ ‘freedom of speech’ – but many are also calling for the event to change its name, because it’s claimed that the phrase ‘Dirty Kanza’ is actually a racial slur against Native Americans. The even has resisted calls to change its name in the past, but while the first statement on Cummins’ departure made no mention, this latest statement has addressed concerns. Dirty Kanza say:
“In addition, we have been working throughout this year on options for a name change. Our event name wasn’t created with ill-intent, and while we have worked with and received support from the Kaw Nation, we also understand that our name should not cause hurt. This process does take time, and we want to make this change in the correct manner. Please know that we will share progress as we work through this process.”
The Dirty Kanza is still set to going ahead this year despite the pandemic, with the dates re-scheduled for 10th-13th September.
New powers for councils to fine drivers parking in cycle lanes come into force today
We reported earlier this month that councils in England will be able to fine drivers who park in cycle lanes using CCTV, and the new rules have come into force today.
The measures apply only to mandatory cycle lanes that are marked by a solid white line, with motorists still able to drive or park in advisory cycle lanes (with a broken white line) if it’s “unavoidable”.
Halfords and Vine combine to gift new bike to a nurse who had her bike stolen and put on Gumtree
Want to say a big thank-you to the generous people of @Halfords_uk … they gave my neighbour (NHS nurse Joey) a new bike after hers was stolen outside the mental health unit where she works https://t.co/y0nwYl58jR pic.twitter.com/CSb5VaKK20
— Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) June 20, 2020
Mr Vine’s neighbour Joey had her bike stolen outside the mental health unit where she works; and then was initially told by police that they were unable to assist her in getting it back when she spotted it for sale on Gumtree, because it amounted to ‘entrapment’… this was of course untrue, and a police superintendent intervened which resulted in jail for the thief, who had previous convictions.
The debacle was spotted by Halfords, who stepped in to offer Joey a new bike. A spokesperson for the retailer commented this morning:
“It’s the right thing to do. As soon as we saw Jeremy Vine’s tweet and heard about Joey’s story we put the wheels in motion and contacted them on social media. We’re trying to do our bit for all the NHS and emergency workers and other unsung heroes across the community who seem to becoming an easy target for unscrupulous thieves.
“Thefts like this can be incredibly disruptive, especially at such a critical time when it can leave many frontline workers without a vital mode of transport. Fortunately there is widespread support from the public and companies doing their bit to keep emergency workers on the road.
“We’d recommend that if you have a bike, then photograph it, capture the frame number and any unique features it has, to help you, the public and the police identify it if it does get stolen.”
Council say 'No' to 'No cycling', according to bizarre new signs painted on Hove promenade
We listened and now more “no cycling” signs and graphics are being painted on to the promenade. Yes, there still needs to be better enforcement, but hopefully this will help and you feel you’re being listened too. pic.twitter.com/RiuvOcJ49N
— Councillor Chris Henry (@chrishenryman) June 18, 2020
The seafront signage shared by Labour Councillor Chris Henry has been subject to ridicule ever since, as numerous people have pointed out that the second photo doesn’t actually show anything that means ‘No Cycling’, as per the Highway Code’s guide to traffic signs and signals.
In the UK prohibition signs are a symbol on white ground, with a red border. That means No Cycling.
You have crossed out the no cycling sign, so really you have said: “No, no cycling”, or in other words: everyone must cycle. pic.twitter.com/sLjpd73Hwf
— Michael – Cyclops, Barney Kieran’s (@baoigheallain) June 20, 2020
As noted above, a Highway Code sign that ‘gives orders’ is typically white with a red border, with the thing that is prohibited in the middle; so to indicate that cycling is prohibited, the sign should lose the red strike-out. It’s also noted that the photo on the right also has an image of a pedestrian inside a white circle with a red border, which could be taken to mean ‘no pedestrians’.
Ridiculous! There should be a cycle lane on the promenade. There is so much space!
— Graham Ritchie (@graham_ritchie9) June 19, 2020
Perhaps you need to learn how Glasgow sorted knife crime – by looking at the causes rather than failing with ‘unenforceable’ laws
Managing the demand for cycling, not this banning regime, is how an intelligent administration deals with the ‘problem’— Dave H 🏴 🇪🇺 G3 NemoMeImpuneLacessit (@BCCletts) June 21, 2020
The Councillor hasn’t replied to any of the comments, and there’s nothing on Brighton and Hove Council’s website about the new rules. It’s also mentioned that Hove seafront is rather wide, with some locals saying that it’s plenty big enough for space to be shared.
Conversely Brighton and Hove have received praise for the speedy introduction of pop-up cycle lanes during the pandemic, including a 1.7 mile stretch on the busy Old Shoreham Road; however this announcement doesn’t seem to have gone down so well.
Your latest everesting update: Lachlan Morton does it for real this time, and another new British record is set
With a lot of people not paying a great deal of tax at the moment because of the pandemic, it would appear life’s third certainty is now weekly new everesting records. EF Pro Cycling’s Lachlan Morton went and nailed the world record for real, after irregularities in his data recording last weekend meant that his 7:32:54 effort wasn’t counted by record keepers Hells 500. This time it was found he did complete the necessary 8,848 metres of elevation gain – plus one extra climb to be sure – and the world record now stands at 7:29:57.
Meanwhile, 18-year-old Mason Hollyman has now had his attempt verified by Hells 500 to become the new British record holder. He completed his everesting in 8 hours and 28 minutes and added a couple more laps to be sure according to his Strava upload, destroying the 9:02:25 mark set by Tom Stephenson just last weekend.
Until next time folks, which will probably be in the next few hours at this rate…
Matteo Trentin unveils custom Sidi shoes with design that pays tribute to nurses during pandemic
The artwork is from Norwich cartoonist MJ Hiblen, who said in a May interview with the BBC that he drew the pictures of NHS nurses ‘fighting’ the virus in a comic book style “to reflect the idea that NHS workers were superheroes.”
Taking inspiration for the limited editon Sidi shoes – that won’t be on sale but will be auctioned off for charity – CC rider Trentin said:
‘I saw this image by an English cartoonist that immediately provoked a strong reaction in me. While his work is a direct message, I thought that the situation that the whole world is facing deserved an honest response. There is no intent behind the use of this image other than to raise people’s spirits with this striking cartoon.”
Meanwhile, Fizik’s latest limited edition shoe is the Infinito R1 El Bala, with the Spanish theme paying tribute to the career of Alejandro Valverde and his current Spanish national title. They’re £329.99 and available to buy now on Fizik’s website.
Where there is less space for cyclists
“… but there is no space for cycling infrastructure” https://t.co/nY8CaRfJzA
— Thomas O Cornwallis (@UrbanistTOC) June 21, 2020
Massive cars might have something to do with it…
"The Kingsley Road pop-up car park": Liverpool cyclist counts "around 20" cars parked in pop-up cycle lane... over a stretch of just 0.2 miles
The Kingsley Road pop-up car park, sorry, cycle lane, in a thread. @lpoolcouncil @Merseysidersp @MerPolTraffic @MerseyPolice @CllrNickSmall @siobridg @sharonconnor28 pic.twitter.com/G3lqvBNj13
— LiverpoolWanderer (@LiverpoolWande1) June 21, 2020
— LiverpoolWanderer (@LiverpoolWande1) June 21, 2020
— LiverpoolWanderer (@LiverpoolWande1) June 21, 2020
The lengthy thread posted to Twitter by LiverpoolWanderer includes 17 photos with cars parked in a pop-up cycle lane on Kingsley Road in Liverpool. Among them there’s one showing a number of cars packed together, a licenced taxi and vehicles belonging to Providor and Carter Synergy. LiverpoolWanderer told road.cc that shockingly, all the photos were taken on just a 0.2 mile stretch and around 20 cars were counted, rendering this part of the cycle lane completely unusable.
As mention further down the page, it would seem there’s plenty for Liverpool Council to get their teeth into if they want to start enforcement against parking in mandatory cycle lanes…
Chris Froome set to stay at Ineos for the Tour de France, according to teammate
Dylan van Baarle told Dutch publication AD that Froome has said he doesn’t plan on leaving until his contract has expired.
Van Baarle said: “That would be strange. And I don’t think it will happen that he will go early.
“Of course we’ve talked about it, because it’s in the news all the time. But, as far as I know, he’s staying and wants to ride the Tour with Ineos. In the end, I don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes with him either, but that’s what he says to us, so I assume he’ll be there.”
Cafe du Cycliste co-owner says he "used to hate road cycling"
For an upcoming episode of The Boss, Remi Clermont told the BBC that he was “almost ashamed” when he told his friends that his dad was into road cycling growing up as a mountain bike lover… and now he co-owns Cafe Du Cycliste, a company who specialise in clothing for roadies after catching the bug in his twenties. He started the company in 2009 to offer an alternative to what was out there at the time, saying:
“The only cycling jerseys you could buy at the time in France were racing ones with big logos and sponsors, that made you look as if you were competing in the Tour de France. I wanted to produce something completely different.”
“I started to learn everything I could. I had some friends in Paris who were working in clothing and fashion, so I got some tips and helpful mentoring from them.
“And I started going to all the trade shows, and asking millions of questions, and contacting plenty of factories in Italy.”
Cafe Du Cycliste said they shifted £3.6 million worth of gear in 2019, and the company has continued to grow by 50% year-on-year.
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I'll counter that by saying the Bryton 750se I have drives me nuts at times. Inconsistantly picks up on routes created on Komoot and the app re-syncs every few seconds when trying to set up the device and sends me back to the home screen. The most infuriating one is that I turned live track on. Once. It now won't turn off and repeatedly flags up the live track is starting, and then disconnecting every few seconds whilst riding. I haven't timed it but it wouldn't suprise me if 10-20% of the time the the screen is covered with an error message. That's been about 6 weeks now. Other than that it's great :/
RE: Police launch road safety operation... by clamping down on cyclists using footbridge Meanwhile in Glasgow, Police Scotland are riding their motorbikes over the pedestrian and cyclists only bridge. https://x.com/FietserGlasgow/status/2065106152917012523?s=20
@Paul J Van Schip certainly seems a bit of a dick, but he's a European and multiple World Champion on the track, pretty sure you don't get there without having some talent in your legs.
Poor Vincent cannot get over the simple fact that given the choice people prefer dedicated cycling spaces, rather than pretending to be cars like vehicular cyclists.
What is the point of the fancy air sensor if it can't account for changing weather conditions?? If all you care about is a delayed approximation of aerodynamic watts in steady conditions, you don't need any special sensors for that. Just your speed on a decently flat course is enough to approximate rolling resistance and drivetrain losses. And the rest must be aero. If you assume a less aero body position at the same watts, your speed will drop while rolling resistance also drops, which means approximated aero watts goes up. And that's enough to demonstrate what you've shown in your testing protocol ("I sat upright and the number went up a little while later").
Your correction is accurate - it's almost always been "the (lack of) thought that (doesn't) count". "Massive" - less than a billion a year spent on active travel (trying to catch up / building a network across the entire country) Not massive - 6 billion every year (2026-2030) spent on road *maintenance* of existing "already built, goes everywhere, very convenient" road network for inactive travel Ultimately the reason "cycle infra" is *needed* is those unbelievably colossal amounts spent every year (and for more than a century now) on making mass motoring not just viable but apparently the "best choice" for most journeys. As the Dutch and others have shown, the majority of people *are* prepared to cycle and even mix with very light, slow local motor traffic *if* cycling is also made safe and convenient for the whole of their journey (including secure parking at both ends). (The history of the financial drivers of the current situation are a complex topic but note that while people complain about "crumbling roads" and underfunded motor infra - with some reason - by us continuing the fuel duty escalator freeze (for example) we're actually helping motorists pay *even less* for that activity / subsidising more of the cost of driving than ever.)
yes, but people will still object - which was my point.
So ' Priority of Road Users' and 1.5 metre clearance at 30mph has been been reduced to 'sharing'? NCN route 2 here in South Hams is an absolute scream with white vans, tractors and total idiots who refuse,or are totally incapable,to reverse on high Devon banked lanes ...means you have to get off and pedal back to a passing place....could be at that all day...so I don't bother...
@MaxiMinimalist Agreed. The big problem I see now is today's parents grew up being driven to their schools, and therefore, see private motor vehicles as the only viable form of transport. The vast majority of UK infant and primary schools have a catchment area that is within easy walking distance from home to school. Yet, the traffic caused by pupils being driven to/from school is astonishing. Banishing the "School Run" should be a priority for all schools.
When I was a kid (that was during the previous millenium when phones were connected to a plug in the wall), I rode my bicycle to school, music academy, sport grounds, parties even during the winter. The government didn't have to spend, correct that, didn't have to think of spending massive amounts of money to build cycling specific infrastructures. Over the past 3 or 4 decades, cars have grown bigger, taller, safer (for their drivers) and faster. Meanwhile, motorists have become abusive, aggressive, hypersensitive to people moving on two wheels, aka cyclists. Spending billions upon billions on new infrastructure won't address the crux of the matter. Sadly.
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“The measures apply only to
“The measures apply only to mandatory cycle lanes that are marked by a solid white line, with motorists still able to drive or park in advisory cycle lanes (with a broken white line) if it’s “unavoidable”. ”
The reason why every dashed line cycle lane in the country is utterly useless 99% of the time. A joke of a rule.
The rules are utterly useless
The rules are utterly useless because they never get enforced, so i dont see making the council responsible for it will in anyway change that be they advisory or mandatory lanes
Isn’t the point that they
Isn’t the point that they have now made it enforcable, or finable at least, simply by driving a video equiped car around. This is easy money for councils that already have parking enforcement vehicles. I can actually see this having some impact, even if it is only the DM featuring pictures of sad faced motorist brandishing their fines.
So didnt Jeremy Vines
So didnt Jeremy Vines neighbour get her original bike back in the end ? or is it locked up in some police station as evidence, Or is she n+1 now ?
I thought she was in prison
I thought she was in prison for entrapment offences.
It’s not clear.
It’s not clear.
I suppose it’s nice of Halfords.
If they really want to do the right thing, I look forward to them giving a new bike to someone who has had theirs stolen and isn’t in the news.
HarrogateSpa wrote:
So how would they know?
HarrogateSpa wrote:
I wonder who’s just been told that their ordered bike is now out of stock and there might be a delay…?
Nice gesture by Halfords –
Nice gesture by Halfords – Boardman himself has been doing similar to other victims too. Although I’m curious where they found that bike given that pretty much every shop in the country is sold out of every bike under £1k right now.
<We reported earlier this month that councils in England will be able to fine drivers who park in cycle lanes using CCTV, and the new rules have come into force today.
The measures apply only to mandatory cycle lanes that are marked by a solid white line, with motorists still able to drive or park in advisory cycle lanes (with a broken white line) if it’s “unavoidable”. >
Simple, issue the fine for parking there and let the parked car owner argue the case as to why it was “unavoidable” . . . “I NEEDED a can of coke” . . or “I was only going to xyz”
Given the state of that
Given the state of that particular cycle lane, the cars can have it. Not a nice place to ride on 700*23s.
In general something needs to be done about it. It’s effectively not a cycle lane if there are vehicles in it.
That said I sympathise with car drivers. They’re dammed if they go fast, they’re dammed if they stop moving at all. Not condoning moronery, just sayin.
There’s always the middle way
There’s always the middle way: driving to the conditions and parking appropriately. This is not difficult, just requires some discipline and planning.
It is stifling Jim Cummins
It is stifling Jim Cummins freedom of speech.
Inclusion?! Anyone can enter the DK.
Has it stifled his freedom of
Has it stifled his freedom of speech though? He said what he wanted and I believe he can still say what ever he wishes to say.
Anything at all, unless they have taken away all of his social media accounts, and his smartphones and computers so he cannot obtain any more, perhaps cut off his hands so that he can’t write to newspapers and others to express his views or cut out his tongue so that he cannot speak to others.
Have thay done any of that?
Those who hide behind the
Those who hide behind the free speech defence often fail to realise that people taking issue with what you say is not stifiling free speech, it’s just calling you out for being hateful and wrongheaded.
I say let the fools speak as much as they like, but continue to call them out and take action against those who reveal they hold opinions incompatible with a civilised society.
No, we are not. If Boris
No, we are not. If Boris were to direct all the ministries to fire all the people who don’t vote Tory and to cut ties with all companies who don’t support his policies you would be up in arms, and so would I if I lived in the UK.
You have decided that only those opinions which agree with yours are compatible with “a civilised society” which is the beginning of tyrany.
Thanks Ktache for a witty
Thanks Ktache for a witty (and obvious) reply to the provocative, stupid post by our resident right wing racist aka NZVegan Rider. Perhaps even the antipodean will understand the point you have made? But then again he is a sheep shagger. (Free speech mate, it’s my right)
2 wrongs don’t make a right.
2 wrongs don’t make a right.
I appreciate the attempt at
I appreciate the attempt at humour but I think it misses the point.
No one is disputing that the police officer shot Mr Brooks.
No one is disputing that those shots killed Mr Brooks.
What is yet to be decided legally is whether the shooting of Mr Brooks was justified.
That will be decided by a jury who must be free to decide either way.
The jury will be drawn from members of the public.
Therefore members of the public must be free to express their opinions about the justification without fear of consequence.
Allowing people to be punished for expressing an opinion on an undecided legal matter is a clear violation of their freedom of speech and even more importantly is a significant threat to justice itself.
I would’ve thought that
I would’ve thought that allowing people to express opinions on an undecided legal matter is more likely to affect justice than not allowing discussion until after the case.
You’ve nicely avoided the
You’ve nicely avoided the point there.
He hasn’t been fired for expressing an opinion.
He’s been fired for expressing the wrong opinion.
That’s where the threat to justice comes from.
If it is made clear that there is only one socially acceptable opinion to hold then the potential for a fair trial is significantly diminished.
I’m not seeing the connection
I’m not seeing the connection between getting fired (which is between the company and employee) and the court case. It’s not uncommon for companies to fire employees for not having market friendly/socially acceptable views, but that’s more to do with marketing than suppressing free speech.
Surely, there’re situations where we as a society want trials to abide by socially agreed views and opinions? I don’t think people would be happy if people tried on bestiality charges could be let off because they held the opinion that the animal was consenting.
Personally, I wouldn’t want to see court cases where holding racist views is deemed acceptable and a mitigation for violence. Similarly, I wouldn’t want a court case to be examining unrelated social media posts by someone else.
He has expressed the opinion
He has expressed the opinion that the police officer was justified in shooting Mr Brooks.
That is essentially the defence argument.
If we decide that believing the argument of the defence is so unacceptable that anyone who does so publicly deserves to be punished do you not think that might have some effect on the trial?
We already accept that deadly force can be used in certain situations without a crime being committed. This is a well established defence in murder trials.
Your analogies are therefore not applicable.
The defence is using an established and socially acceptable argument.
A man has been fired from his job for agreeing with that argument.
That should be concerning to anyone interested in personal freedom and the rule of law.
Again, I’m not seeing the
Again, I’m not seeing the connection. The court case will (hopefully) examine the evidence and the jury will decide on whether the officer was justified. Whether or not a company fires someone for not being aligned with their brand is not going to be submitted as evidence for the prosecution and is irrelevant.
I’ll try another analogy – The Times have decided that Rod Liddle is aligned with their brand and keep him in employ, but that’s not going to have any effect on someone charged with stringing barbed wire across a path.
The point is that the jury
The point is that the jury must be free to decide whether to accept the argument of the prosecution or the defence.
If, prior to the trial, it is widely believed that anyone who accepts the argument for the defence can be fired and publicly vilified then that will obviously affect the impartiality of the jury.
If a juror believes that they might lose their livelihood and reputation if they accept the defence argument then they are far less likely to do so.
The jury are free to accept
The jury are free to accept either verdict with no fear of consequences. They are NOT free to share their views of the trial on social media when they are linked to a company that does not want to be associated with that view. If a juror doesn’t want to risk their livelihood then they can just keep quiet about it (quite a few job contracts include a section about not mentioning the company or its business on social media).
I think you’re barking up the wrong tree.
Any potential juror who’s
Any potential juror who’s shared their views on social media prior to the trial is likely to be dismissed for prejudice, and so not be a juror, regardless of what their employer or wider society thinks.
Yeah – I meant after the
Yeah – I meant after the trial (during the trial would also get them chucked out).
You’re missing the point.
You’re missing the point.
Once it is made clear that only one verdict is acceptable to society then the impartiality of the jury is compromised.
History is full of horrendous miscarriages of justice where a jury has felt pressured to deliver the ‘right’ verdict.
If a unanimous not guilty verdict were reached in the Brooks case should Dirty Kanza be able to fire any employee who was on the jury?
Rich_cb wrote:
They can fire anyone posting publicly about the trial if they deem that to be damaging to their image. I doubt that they’d win a tribunal if they fired someone just for being on a jury.
If your employer fired you
If your employer fired you for expressing an opinion about, for example, the Aliston case, you’d be ok with it?
I’d be surprised as it’s
I’d be surprised as it’s unrelated to the business and my name isn’t associated with my employer (e.g. I’m not known as its founder). In the past, my work has sent out company wide emails to not discuss on social media some sensitive business information, so I’d be puzzled why no warning had been issued about any connection with Aliston. So yeah, I’d sue them for wrongful dismissal.
I’d argue that it’s possible
I’d argue that it’s possible for anyone to be linked with their employer quite quickly if the online mob decide to do their research.
I’d also argue that anybody, regardless of their job, should be free to discuss controversial topics in a personal capacity without endangering their livelihood.
It wasn’t too long ago that people were ostracised for supporting gay rights or interracial marriage.
Careers were destroyed by vindictive bosses who happened to disagree. It wasn’t right then and it isn’t right now.
hawkinspeter wrote:
Oh, I know – I meant to add to your point rather than question it.
Probably spotted a squirrel up it.
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@hawkinspeter
@hawkinspeter
You’re wasting your time. Rich will never ever admit to being wrong – he’ll just continue to write lengthy post after lengthy post and, in his mind, win the argument when everyone else stops replying.
jasecd wrote:
I’m not looking for any kind of admission – just seeking a bit of clarification and whether I agree with his reasoning or not. I see these discussions more as examining differing points of view rather than a win-lose kind of thing.
So you think the the actions
So you think the the actions of Senator Joe McCarthy in the US in the US were OK? No, you don’t. What exactly is the difference?
The American writer Ambrose Bierce Bierce was an abolitionist who joined Union Army, fought with extreme bravery in the U.S. Civil War, and was gravely wounded.
After the war he became a writer and journalist. His satirical word definitions were collected into a book which became “The Devil’s Dictionary.” Get a copy and look up “African”.
It was as offensive when he wrote it in the late 1800’s as it is today, but he was talking about you lot. If you vote “my way”, you are to be protected. If not, throw you to the wolves.
What happened was that a company in a precarious financial position decided to show themselves “virtuous” by attacking someone for expressing a personal opinion which they believed would harm their business.
If Jim Cummins made that statement as an official statement of Life Time Inc. without approval of the requisite board, then I don’t have an issue with them sacking him.
If it was a personal statement, and it looks to me that it was on a personal account, then what they are doing is a huge danger to freedom. If big business is allowed to dictate which opinions can be voiced we will be living in tyrany
Bit of disingenuous report on
Bit of disingenuous report on the founder of Cafe du Cycliste, you’ve gone straight from he used to be embarrassed about his old man road cycling (because he was into MTBs) to him founding his cycle clothing empire without mentioning that he was a national standard kayaker who started road cycling in the winter to keep fit and fell in love with it, then founded his CCE!
If M.Clermont wants to show his appreciation of this support, I’m an 1.81m XL, address available on request…
From a colleague of Chris
From a colleague of Chris Henry: your post on No Cycling signs on Hove promenade fails to mention that there is already a cycle lane running all along the seafront. What’s annoying is when cyclists ignore it and cycle along the pedestrian area right next to the sea instead. This is all discussed in the replies to this tweet, so you must be aware of it. Some of the cyclists are saying that they don’t think the existing bike lane is very good, which they think gives them an excuse to cycle right across a pedestrian area, prompting complaints for pedestrians. I use the bike lane all the time and think it’s fine.
You also say that Chris Henry hasn’t responded to any of the comments on this tweet. That’s not true, he’s responded a number of times. If you could just try to bring a little objectivity to the cause, it would really help avoid some of the “cycling wars” that we have to contend with here every time new cycling facilities are proposed.
Just looking at the pictures
Just looking at the pictures in the story, and comparing it against google streetview.
https://goo.gl/maps/Nkc5gHNpwY2JYbYE6
So the seafront road has two lanes of motor traffic in both directions, and there is indeed a bidirectional cycle lane on the pedestrianised area (which looks just about barely wide enough for two cycles to pass without straying into the ‘pedestrians only’ bit).
But how wide is that pedestrian area? Couldn’t you have allocated a bit more room for the cycle lane, if there are that many cyclists using it that you’ve had to make sure they know not to stray onto the pedestrian bit?
fwiw I have some sympathy
fwiw I have some sympathy with Hove council there, that cycle lane is plenty wide enough for two cycles to pass,if you treat it with some common sense and accept its only a leisurely paced route,not a cycling superhighway, and it widens when the prom allows space for it, albeit the “no no cycling” bit doesnt make a huge amount of sense in the grand scheme of things which is no doubt why it leads to the calls for ever increasing amounts of signage.
but what google maps doesnt show you is actually how busy with pedestrians, joggers,dog walkers,small kids the prom can get,especially in summer and at weekends, it can be like walking through a football crowd sometimes, and it only takes one person riding a bike inconsiderately to create alot of conflict there.
Last time I was there, a guy on a bike who was riding way too fast for that lane and you also have to remember people cross the road heading to the beach and immediately encounter the bike lane, swerved off the cycle lane into a group of pedestrians, nearly took me out as I was walking along, and all because he couldnt be bothered to use his brakes to slow up as he’d caught a slower rider just as another bike came the other way.
the real problem as youve alluded to is actually the road, make the road less a dual carriageway like it gets treated by the motorists, and more pleasant to ride on, you wouldnt need to worry about cycling along the prom.
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I don’t disagree.
Why is there a dual carriageway along the seafront anyway? (in all fairness, I don’t think it’s exclusive to Hove in that – IIRC Weston super Mare has a similar arrangement).
If cyclists are so dangerous – in conflict with milling pedestrians (milling about, not making flour) then it seems to make good sense to divert all that motor traffic somewhere else too…