“This isn’t suffering. Suffering is when you lose your little brother on the bike”: Irish champion puts crash-marred worlds time trial into perspective with emotional tribute to teammate whose brother was killed in training collision

@didsthewinegeek What on earth does that mean? A cheap GPS speedometer means a cheap GPS speedometer, if you don't know what one of them is then I'm afraid I can't help you.

@Paul J You need to READ whay I am saying cos you clearly do not get it. There is nothing inherently dangerous about a bike of any kind. Its 2 wheels, a frame, bars, groupset etc. There is nothing that makes that bike dangerous. A road bike in the wrong hands could be more likely involved in an incident than a TT bike in the hands of an experienced rider. The BIKE is not dangerous. The persons ability to handle it may make it appear more or less, but the inanimate object is not the danger. But tell me what is more dangerous: a road bike with no clip on skis but the rider is not holding the bars close to the brakes, maybe resting their hands on the top of the bars (like people used to do) and have their hands nowhere near the brake levers or a TT bike where the rider has their hands near the brakes not out front but actually on the bar ends near the brake levers? which is more dangerous? And I don't care what Mr Blackbird says, he's not the authority on bike safety and neither are you or I. I would even suggest that a rider on the TT bike with thier hands on the skis can still reach the brakes as quickly as a rider on a regular road bike with their hand on the top of the bars. In neother case are they covering the brakes with either hand and both would require a movement to cover it in a split second. So the bike is not in question, its the rider and their skill level.

@Smoggysteve The raison d'etre of a TT bike is the squashed in position on the skis, and riders are going to train in the position they race generally. If that position is banned, and puppy paws are banned, riders will generally not use them in training... cause... they're training to be able to hold their race position. For a road bike position they'll be training to hold a position with their hands on the hoods just above the levers, and arms level - the fastest position on a road bike and UCI legal competition.

@Rendel Harris So a cheap GPS speedometer isn't unqualified speak for a speed gun?

@Rendel Harris Well, in that case its impossible to say TT bikes are more dangerous. And that is my point entirely.

@Smoggysteve I think anyone who's ridden a TT bike or a bike with TT skis knows a degree of control is sacrificed. It is inherent to the physical facts that a) your hands are far away from the brake levers, and your body is positioned with elbows over the stem, so it takes a lot longer to get your hands to the brakes and b) your arms are much closer to the centre-line, so you have far less steering leverage, plus you're not even properly holding the steering controls either. Even those pushing back against me in these comments acknowledge that fact (e.g. Mr Blackbird's comment above, "Yes. Your hands are further from the brakes. That is why it is important to train in places where you are less likely to encounter pedestrians and erratic traffic movements"). I think it is entirely uncontroversial to say that TT bikes are harder to control and slower to brake (inc reaction and repositioning time) and that no reasonable, informed person would claim otherwise. Hence why TT bikes and TT bars are not permitted in UCI bunch racing (there are 1 or 2 other mad associations that permit it, triathlon notably, and some non-UCI affiliated gravel events). You are asking for specific statistics that you know do not exist, to try dispute a truth (TT bikes are harder to control, handle and brake more poorly when ridden in the intended position that is their raison d'etre) that no reasonable person would dispute.

@didsthewinegeek I rather think your final sentence applies to you to a far greater degree than it does to me. I haven't mentioned a speed gun at all, it's your reading comprehension that is the problem, not what I have written. I suggested that the police should equip themselves with a GPS SPEEDOMETER, i.e. a Garmin or similar, or use a SPEEDOMETER app on their phones, so that they could ride the bicycles themselves whilst monitoring the speed and then they would easily be able to assess whether the power cut out at 15 mph as the law demands. Please read more carefully before becoming unnecessarily aggressive and rude due to your lack of understanding of a perfectly simple concept, thank you.

@Smoggysteve Without taking any sides in the argument, that's pretty much asking the impossible, you might as well ask are Dutch bikes more likely to be involved in collisions than mountain bikes – official statistics can't even differentiate between crashes involving legal ebikes and those involving illegal electric motorcycles so there's no way they are going to keep a record of TT bikes versus road bikes.

@Rendel Harris It's not obvious for you as you make the statement "if the bike speed is legal or otherwise". Please make what you think in your head and what you put on paper reflect the same. You talk about in your SECOND statement about the speed legally having to cut out at 15mph. Bringing together this and your original statement, it begs the question how does a speed gun determine whether the excess speed is being achieved by a motor or the person's own pedal power? Your second statement also seems to track back on you feeling that the policeman can validate the need for a stop with a sped gun, rather than an inspection of the bike, which you now validate as the reason for the need to stop. Clearly we have a case with you of the gob in 3rd gear and the brain in 1st!

@eburtthebike Yes, it's more of a...