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Moots show prototype softail gravel bike at NAHBS

Moots puts YBB softail technology into a new gravel and adventure bike coming soon

Last week we told you that Moots, the US titanium specialist, was planning to show its brand new gravel and adventure bike at the recent North American Handmade Bicycle Show, and while we weren’t at the show, we’ve just been sent these photo of the actual bike. And what a mighty beast it is!

It turns out my photoshop mockup last week was pretty darn close to how the actual bike turned out. I must point out that the new bike is still a prototype, the company is still developing it and it’ll be a while before it’s available to buy. It doesn’t even have a name yet.

We do know a few details though. It’s based on the Routt range of adventure bikes which have been well received in the last year or two, but with the added cushioning provided by the YBB rear suspension system that has been an optional feature on its mountain bikes for many years. The idea is to provide a “short travel gravel beast that will create new adventures each ride.”

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There was a brief period in the early days of mountain biking before full suspension bikes evolved from the shonky first efforts when softails were extremely popular with cross-country mountain bikers. They were simple and lightweight and added just a small amount of rear wheel suspension.

The YBB system conceals a small spring inside the top of the wishbone seatstay providing a small amount of travel, just over an inch. Instead of heavy pivots, the chainstays are designed to flex. The suspension can be tuned with different weight springs. Moots says this bike sports the latest iteration of the YBB platform that has been refined to provide “added compliance on rougher surfaces” so we imagine it has been fettled a bit from the mountain bike versions.

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The bike is then fitted with the Fox AX suspension fork, which is a shortened mountain bike fork with 40mm of travel, and it’s fully adjustable and damped, and you can lock it out. It gives an indication of the type of riding the company has in mind for this bike. A rigid fork will be available with a similar axle-to-crown height as the Fox fork.

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Moots was only sharing a bunch of details about the new bike. The frame will accommodate 27.5in x 2.25in and 700c x 45mm wheels and tyres.

The 44mm head tube will provide clearance for the suspension fork crown, as we know some gravel frames simply can’t accommodate a suspension fork (the top dials clout the bottom of the downtube). There’ll be a 68m threaded bottom bracket, 142x12mm rear axle spacing with thru-axle dropouts. The disc mount is post mount and not the new flat mount standard that has been embraced by most of the road industry this year. Geometry numbers include 71.25-degrees for the head tube, 73 for the seat tube and 435mm chainstays.

That’s about all we know so far, no word on availability or pricing, but as soon as we know we’ll update this story.

www.moots.com

David worked on the road.cc tech team from 2012-2020. Previously he was editor of Bikemagic.com and before that staff writer at RCUK. He's a seasoned cyclist of all disciplines, from road to mountain biking, touring to cyclo-cross, he only wishes he had time to ride them all. He's mildly competitive, though he'll never admit it, and is a frequent road racer but is too lazy to do really well. He currently resides in the Cotswolds, and you can now find him over on his own YouTube channel David Arthur - Just Ride Bikes

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Jimthebikeguy.com | 6 years ago
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Hmm, cant see the point in this. Too far past whats realistically useful.

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Johnny5 replied to Jimthebikeguy.com | 6 years ago
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jterrier wrote:

Hmm, cant see the point in this. Too far past whats realistically useful.

Fair point. However, perhaps it would behove us to illustrate the differences "gravel" riding encompasses. Here in Routt County Colorado many of our "gravel" roads are nothing more than rock strewn ATV/4Wheeler tracks to get from town to town in the mountains, often times with several miles of rocky descents. A full mtb is often slower on the smoother roads and a true cross or gravel bike beats you up a bit too much on the rough. 

Moots unfortunately doesn't design suspension forks, so we are limited to what is out there currently. We have some Lauf forks on protos too. Again, this is just a prototype, something we are building to suit the needs of those of us who push the concepts of what a "gravel" bike is vs what many companies are marketing what a gravel bike should be (blending the lines of our Routt gravel bikes and the Baxter monstercross/adventure rig). Long story short, we are having fun and riding bikes. It's all good. 

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Johnny5 | 6 years ago
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I should add that this bike was dreamed up after a cycle tour I did in Northumberland in 2016. We rode from Newcastle up the castles and coast to Wooler, then did the Sandstone way to Hexam and back to Newcastle with some other stops along the way. I wasn't sure if I should ride my rigid singlespeed mtb or take my cross bike. It was hard to get an accurate gauge on the rideabililty of the sandstone way with a canti equipped cross bike. The cross bike turned out to be the best options for me, however this new bike would have allowed a bit more fun in Kielder. Still, I enjoyed the trip and I am working to get back for another, longer, Northern UK adventure. 

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Johnny5 | 6 years ago
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I am currently riding a hardtail prototype similar to the softtail but more dropbar mtb than typical gravel/cross geo. 27.5 x 2.25 WTB Riddlers in the photo, also run 700c x 37 WTB Riddlers. 425mm stays as is (has slider option so I can adjust), and 436mm Custom Retrotec Steel rigid fork, prototype WTB dirt drop bars.  The smaller wheels offer more cushion on singletrack but don't lengthen the wheelbase or slow the handling. Running 700's the bb height goes closer to typical cyclocross height vs lower gravel/road bb. For me it is the evolution of the rigid mtb (a dying breed it seems). Who wants to run a super long and flexy suspension corrected fork? Not me.   Here in Steamboat, we have tons of dirt, gravel, and amazing singletrack. This allows me to bikepack or just rip rocky singletrack without being penalized for small tires. Then when I want to explore or ride the gravel/dirt I can fit 700c wheels and tires just fine without sacrificing the quicker handling of a cross bike vs gravel/road bike that I prefer.

 

 

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shufflingb | 6 years ago
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So, we have on the front a complicated front suspension system that is heavy and expensive to maintain. And on the rear, a simple undamped rear suspension system abandoned my most MTB manufactures years ago because it's costly, heavy, bouncy and saps climbing effort.

Depends how it rides, but based on the design outlined here it doesn't sound that promising.

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philhubbard | 6 years ago
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Why would they release a new prototype with an already outdated brake mount

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joules1975 replied to philhubbard | 6 years ago
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philhubbard wrote:

Why would they release a new prototype with an already outdated brake mount

 

Post mount isn't outdated - mountain bikes use it almost without exception. Sure road disc bikes are switching to flat mount, but on a gravel bike I don't think it really matters.

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baggins replied to philhubbard | 6 years ago
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philhubbard wrote:

Why would they release a new prototype with an already outdated brake mount

 

Means you can fit a decent size rotor without a flimsy flat mount adaptor- the bike is meant to ridden off-road more than on. 

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IanEdward | 6 years ago
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Don't like the front forks much, would surely look better with a Lefty? 

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Zermattjohn | 6 years ago
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Ah FFS - just build a mtb and be done with it!

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joules1975 replied to Zermattjohn | 6 years ago
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Zermattjohn wrote:

Ah FFS - just build a mtb and be done with it!

I love the whole 'gravel' thing, but I have to agree.

There are definately some gravel bikes that are starting to look like an MTB with drops, which begs the question, why not just fit drops onto an MTB.

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