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Specialized S-Works Tarmac SL7 Dura-Ace Di2 2021



Eye-watering price but an exceptional performance
Wheel rim profiles make a massive difference to aerodynamics
Impressive weight for a disc brake-equipped bike
Wheels aren't tubeless compatible
Top-end price tag

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The S-Works Tarmac SL7 Dura-Ace Di2 is one of the latest top-end offerings from Specialized that now focuses just as much on aerodynamics as it does on weight – or lack of it. The frameset has seen various tweaks over its predecessor, and when paired with aero components like the handlebar and wheels makes the SL7 a very, very fast bike indeed. This model comes at an eye-watering price, though.


When I wrote my First ride review piece I stated that this Tarmac SL7 was the fastest bike I had ever ridden, and I still stand by that. As a complete package this S-Works is phenomenally efficient and therefore fast.

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Coming in a smidge over the UCI's minimum weight limit of 6.8kg (15lb), this 56cm S-Works is obviously no slouch off the line, so acceleration is very brisk and keeping up with the ebb and flow of the traffic in urban areas or on busy roads is easy.

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Once up to speed, aerodynamics comes into play, but they seem to be far more important at much lower velocities than most aero bikes I've ridden. Some, such as the Storck Aerfast and Orro Venturi, feel as though they require less effort to keep moving as they get to around the 23mph mark; a lot of deep wheels create this effect too, highlighting the sort of speeds at which aerodynamics really start to make a difference. On the S-Works, though, that feeling kicks in at around 18mph. Once you get the bike up there it just rolls along, like you are always on top of the gear, and it makes for a very efficient ride and an impressive average speed.

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It even helps when you come to a climb as you can hit the base of it using a lot less effort than you normally would, so you can carry the speed into the incline. Then, as the aero benefits start to diminish, that low weight helps you power to the top of the hill.

A lot of the aerodynamic bonuses are coming from the Roval Rapide CLX wheels, the front especially with its 51mm depth and massive 35mm external rim width. It's a similar sort of design found on the Hunt 48 Limitless Aero Disc wheels that I've been riding recently, a wheelset that is also unbelievably fast.

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Alongside the low weight and wind-cheating design, the Tarmac SL7 also delivers on the stiffness front. Compared with a lot of the tightest frames out there, Specialized hasn't exactly gone for massive tube profiles to create the stiffness and nor has it gone for a wider bottom bracket shell that would use press-fit bearing cups located inside the frame. It has instead plumped for a threaded option, with the cups mounted externally.

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Even with all of this stiffness, the SL7 hasn't sacrificed the comfort levels. It's a peloton-ready race machine, so don't go expecting a cosseting ride, but it's firm without any irritating levels of harshness.

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I had the 26mm tyres pumped up hard and had no overall issues at all with discomfort in my hands or feet when riding for four to five hours at a time, but if you want to bring in a little bit more 'suspension' then you can exploit the Tarmac's 32mm max tyre width.

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As you'd expect, the geometry is pretty aggressive – there is no relaxed endurance front end to be found here or an upright riding position.

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This 56cm size has 73.5-degree head and seat angles and stack and reach measurements of 555mm and 398mm respectively, which gives quite a long and low setup on the bike. If it was my Tarmac, I would take out the 20mm of spacers sitting below the stem to really get the most out of the low position.

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The steering is quick, which makes the S-Works an absolute blast when descending. Very light, stiff bikes can sometimes feel a little flighty over rough road surfaces at very high speed, but the Tarmac never really does. The whole bike feels very balanced and thanks to the handling being very precise, you can carry a lot of speed into the corners.

You get plenty of feedback from the supple Specialized Cotton tyres, too, which really helps the confidence levels.

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Overall, this bike really does deliver on all the attributes you'd want of a top-flight race machine: speed, stiffness, handling and comfort.

Frame, fork and aero components

The SL7 was officially launched on the 28th of July, and Mat wrote a full in-depth piece on everything that you need to know about the new Tarmac which is definitely worth a read if you are interested in the design and manufacturing that went into its inception.

I'll give you a brief run-through here though.

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Specialized has its own wind tunnel – or the Win Tunnel as it calls it – and it's obviously a big advantage having the ability to trial designs in-house.

For aerodynamics it'll come as no surprise that the company has focused on tube shapes. Traditional aero bikes use quite large tube profiles to achieve the wind-cheating benefits. Larger tubes mean more material, though, and that brings weight increases.

The head tube and seat tube, seatstays and fork blades all use designs from Specialized's FreeFoil Shape Library, a collection of aerofoil shapes that it has developed.

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The head tube, for example, has an hourglass shape, only being wider at the top and bottom to accept the bearing cups.

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The seatstays are dropped too, something Specialized has done for aerodynamic reasons right throughout its range all the way down to the aluminium Allez models.

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The real key, though, is clean lines: everything that can be hidden is hidden.

From the front we'll start with the Aerofly II handlebar, which has been taken from the Venge. The bar has a very slim profile – it's almost three times wider at the tops than the front edge that is striking the air; not only is it aero, it's also stiff and, from my point of view, impressively comfortable.

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Even better, Specialized has kept it as a standalone handlebar rather than an all-in-one system with an integrated stem. This means you still get the option of some adjustment.

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The hoses and cables (or in this case wires) are internally routed through the bar and are held in position by a neat clamp arrangement in front of the stem before being fed down into the head tube via the spacers. This is one of the biggest changes I've seen to 2021 bikes, with many of those I'm currently testing following their own take on this design; it certainly gives a very clean looking front end.

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Here you are only seeing the hoses/cables/wires again right before they are connected to the components.

The stem also has a clean look with a top cover that hides all of the bolts and headset gubbins. There are three options that come with the bike that will work with various builds, mechanical or electronic, and one that will work with a standard stem plus round spacers should you not want to trim the steerer straight away.

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The seatpost hasn't been neglected either. It has a teardrop shape to it with a flattened rear to match the seat tube and there is no clamp as such: the Tarmac uses an expanding wedge design sat under the rubber cover on the top tube.

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The seatpost also houses the Di2 junction box at the rear.

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When it comes to material, the S-Works models use the top end FACT 12r carbon fibre grade, while others lower in the range use FACT 10r. The main difference between the two is weight, as both use the same tubing profiles and have corresponding stiffness levels.

FACT 12r uses less material to achieve this stiffness, so it's a lighter build by around 15% – around 800g, give or take.

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Specialized offers the Tarmac in a decent range of sizes from 44cm through to 61cm, which equates to top tube lengths of 496mm to 595mm. The S-Works also comes in two colours, red/black with white decals, or this rather subdued natural carbon finish which has a bit of a silver/green finish to it when it catches the sunlight.

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Everything else spec-wise about the frame is exactly as you'd expect really: flat mounts for the disc callipers and 12mm thru-axles front and rear.

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Other than the special edition Sagan bike, this is pretty much the flagship of the Tarmac SL7 range, so it's no surprise to see a full Shimano Dura-Ace Di2 groupset, with a power meter included.

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Not only is it a beautiful looking gear system, you also can't fault the performance. The changes are fast and crisp, and the large buttons on the lever make sure you don't fudge a critical shift in the heat of the moment.

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Can you tell the difference between this and Ultegra Di2? Barely – unless you are riding the two side by side, which I am lucky enough to have done, and then you find that Dura-Ace is just a little bit quicker and shifts a smidgen better under load.

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Gear-wise Spesh has gone for a 52/36-tooth chainset paired to an 11-30T cassette, which gives a good balance of gears right across the range. While it is a pro-level bike that's probably more used to seeing a 53/39T chainset and a closer ratio cassette, for us mere mortals this setup works well.

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I have to say, if it was my money I'd go for the eTap model for the same money. I love the ratios found on SRAM's latest 12-speed groupsets, which I talked about in my Vitus Vitesse Evo Team and Canyon Endurace CF SLX Disc 8.0 reviews.

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On the odd occasion that you need to slow the SL7 down, you'll find that the hydraulic setup is absolutely brilliant. Its 160mm front disc and 140mm rear offer plenty of stopping power.

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The rotors can be a little flexible, mind, so you really need to crank up the tightness on the thru-axle otherwise, like me, you'll get some rotor rub in the corners and also when they heat up. It was most noticeable for me when I was stuck behind a tractor and trailer on a downhill and needed to drag the front brake a bit.

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That aside, it's the usual thing from Shimano's braking components: loads of power but with loads of modulation whether wet or dry. The way I ride makes me a very heavy late braker and I've never locked up a front wheel in my life, even in the wet. The feel and feedback from the levers here mean that'll remain the case even with the amount of power you have at your fingertips.

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Wheels and tyres

I touched on the wheels earlier. The Roval Rapide CLXs are deep and wide: 51mm deep and 35mm wide at the front, 60mm and 30mm at the rear.

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The front is taking the brunt of the airflow which is why its shape is more pronounced than the rear. Both have an internal width of 21mm, which means they are still compatible with 25mm tyres, one of the most common sizes still used on race bikes.

The thinking is that the widest part of the tyre/rim combination needs to be about a third of the way back from the leading edge so therefore the rim needs to be wider than the tyre. It does look a little disconcerting from a rider's point of view when you look down and see all of this carbon fibre poking out either side of the tyre, but after testing the Hunts that I mentioned earlier, it really does make a difference to the aerodynamics.

One thing that some might find odd is that there is no tubeless compatibility. Specialized says that when the designers looked at what they wanted to achieve in terms of aerodynamics, weight, stability and ride quality, going tubeless wasn't possible.

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Hunt managed it with the 48 Limitless, though, and while they are probably around 150g to 200g heavier, in the real world when I swapped them over there was no discernible difference.

Personally, on the road I can take or leave tubeless. On the gravel, yes, but on the road I'm not bothered about dropping tyre pressures for comfort. I like them high, and over the last 20 years punctures have been few and far between.

> What they don't tell you about tubeless

The Specialized Cotton tyres fitted here to the S-works have a 320TPI (thread per inch) carcass and they feel super-supple, even at high pressures – something you don't always get from a tubeless tyre.

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The compound used is impressively grippy too, and I really loved chucking this bike into the bends hard.

The super-smooth rubber used for the central tread rolls very well and wear rates aren't looking too bad either. It is cool to see some little dimples in the tread too, which will let you know that they are wearing out.

And finally... the saddle

It's a Body Geometry S-Works Power with a carbon fibre base and rails. I especially like the stubby design – it suits the kind of hard, powerful riding I found the S-Works kept egging me on to do, and its firm padding is very supportive while being comfortable.

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At ten-and-a-half-grand, value is a strange concept but let's just say that money is no object. How does it compare to other peloton-ready machines?

Trek has recently gone down a similar route with its Emonda, giving it an aero edge while retaining the lightweight frameset. The similarly specced SLR 9 model comes in a few grams lighter (claimed), but costs £9,700.

> Buyer’s Guide: 21 of the best and fastest 2020 aero road bikes

Liam is currently riding Merida's take on the aero theme, the Reacto Team Disc. It weighs in at 7.5kg on the Scales of Truth, but even with the Dura-Ace Di2 group and power meter it 'only' comes in at £9,000.


As a technical exercise this is one hell of a bike. It really does deliver the whole package. It's great to ride, super-fast with sweet handling, and thanks to that low weight and the excellent wheels all it makes you want to do is smash it everywhere.

True, it's a lot of money, but wow!

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Eye-watering price but an exceptional performance test report

Make and model: Specialized S-Works Tarmac SL7 Dura-Ace Di2 2021

Size tested: 56cm

About the bike

List the components used to build up the bike.

Specialized lists:


STEM Tarmac integrated stem, 6-degree

TAPE Supacaz Super Sticky Kush

SADDLE Body Geometry S-Works Power, carbon fiber rails, carbon fiber base

SEATPOST 2021 S-Works Tarmac Carbon seat post, FACT Carbon, Di2 Compatible, 20mm offset

SEAT BINDER Tarmac integrated wedge

FRONT BRAKE Shimano Dura-Ace R9170, hydraulic disc

REAR BRAKE Shimano Dura-Ace R9170, hydraulic disc

SHIFT LEVERS Shimano Dura-Ace Di2 Disc R9170

FRONT DERAILLEUR Shimano Dura-Ace Di2 R9150, braze-on

REAR DERAILLEUR Shimano Dura-Ace Di2 R9150, 11-speed

CASSETTE Shimano Dura-Ace R9100, 11-speed, 11-30t

CRANKSET Shimano Dura-Ace R9100, HollowTech 2, 11-speed, Dual-sided Power meter


BOTTOM BRACKET Shimano Dura-Ace, BB-R9100

CHAIN Shimano Dura-Ace, 11-speed

FRONT WHEEL Roval Rapide CLX, 21mm internal width carbon rim, 51mm depth, Win Tunnel Engineered, Roval AFD hub, 18h, DT Swiss Aerolite spokes

REAR WHEEL Roval Rapide CLX, 21mm internal width carbon rim, 60mm depth, Win Tunnel Engineered, Roval AFD hub, 24h, DT Swiss Aerolite spokes

FRONT TIRE Turbo Cotton, 320 TPI, 700x26mm

REAR TIRE Turbo Cotton, 320 TPI, 700x26mm

INNER TUBES Turbo Ultralight, 60mm Presta valve

SWAT Integrated cycle computer mount

Tell us what the bike is for and who it's aimed at. What do the manufacturers say about it? How does that compare to your own feelings about the bike?

Specialized says, "Why should you be forced to choose between aerodynamics and weight, between ride quality and speed? It's simple, you shouldn't. Enter the new Tarmac - climb on the lightest bike the UCI allows, then descend on the fastest. We've utilized our most advanced technologies, from our FreeFoil Shape Library to an all-new Rider-First Engineered™ frame, to deliver a race bike that is truly without compromise. The days of making sacrifices between "aero" and "lightweight" bikes are over''the all-new Tarmac is the fastest race bike, ever. One bike to rule them all."

It is a very fast and efficient bike while being extremely light too.

Where does this model sit in the range? Tell us briefly about the cheaper options and the more expensive options

At the top of the range is the Sagan Collection model for £11,000, then it is both this Shimano Dura-Ace model and a SRAM Red eTap AXS for the same price.

Below these come the SL7 Pro (SRAM Force eTap 1x at £6,500 or Shimano Ultegra Di2 at £6,250) and the SL7 Expert models which are £4,750. Two builds are offered.

Frame and fork

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Tell us about the build quality and finish of the frame and fork?

The build quality looks and feels to be very good overall. I find the natural carbon finish a little understated, even with the added green/silver colour run, but it is also available in a much more striking red and black with white decals.

Tell us about the materials used in the frame and fork?

FRAME S-Works Tarmac SL7 FACT 12r Carbon, Rider First Engineered, Win Tunnel Engineered, Clean Routing, Threaded BB, 12x142mm thru-axle, flat-mount disc

FORK S-Works FACT Carbon, 12x100mm thru-axle, flat-mount disc

Tell us about the geometry of the frame and fork?

As you would expect, the geometry here is race orientated with a long top tube (563mm) and a short head tube (151mm). The head angle is steeper than you'd find on most endurance bikes too (73.5°).

How was the bike in terms of height and reach? How did it compare to other bikes of the same stated size?

Height and reach is well within the range of what I'd expect for this type of bike and size. The 56cm has a stack of 555mm and reach of 398mm. This gives a ratio of 1.39.

Riding the bike

Was the bike comfortable to ride? Tell us how you felt about the ride quality.

Overall comfort is pretty good for a bike of this style. The frame and fork are quite stiff but the supple tyres and comfortable saddle help out a lot.

Did the bike feel stiff in the right places? Did any part of the bike feel too stiff or too flexible?

Stiffness is excellent throughout the bike.

How did the bike transfer power? Did it feel efficient?

Thanks to the aerodynamic details and the low weight, this SL7 is very efficient indeed.

Was there any toe-clip overlap with the front wheel? If so was it a problem?


How would you describe the steering? Was it lively neutral or unresponsive? Lively.

Tell us some more about the handling. How did the bike feel overall? Did it do particular things well or badly?

The handling is great. The steering is quick and very precise which makes descending at speed a joy.

Which components had the most effect (good or bad) on the bike's comfort? would you recommend any changes?

The tyres bring a lot of comfort to the ride, as does the Power saddle.

Which components had the most effect (good or bad) on the bike's stiffness? would you recommend any changes?

All of the components tie in well with the frameset's stiffness levels. There is no flex from the handlebar, for instance, when riding hard out of the saddle.

Which components had the most effect (good or bad) on the bike's efficiency? would you recommend any changes?

The aerodynamics of the wheels give the largest gains.

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The drivetrain

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Tell us some more about the drivetrain. Anything you particularly did or didn't like? Any components which didn't work well together?

Shimano's top flight groupset can't be faulted for its performance, and the power meter is a bonus.

Wheels and tyres

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Tell us some more about the wheels.Did they work well in the conditions you encountered? Would you change the wheels? If so what for?

Loads of aerodynamic benefits and they seem durable as well as coming in at a decent weight. The lack of tubeless compatibility will be a boundary for some riders though.

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Tell us some more about the tyres. Did they work well in the conditions you encountered? Would you change the tyres? If so what for?

A really nice set of tyres. The construction gives a very supple ride even at high pressures, and the rubber compound offers plenty of grip.


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Tell us some more about the controls. Any particularly good or bad components? How would the controls work for larger or smaller riders?

I'm a big fan of the Aerofly II handlebar. It's comfortable even on the tops, and the shape of the drops isn't too extreme.

Your summary

Did you enjoy riding the bike? Yes

Would you consider buying the bike? Yes

Would you recommend the bike to a friend? Yes

How does the price compare to that of similar bikes in the market, including ones recently tested on

Trek has recently updated its Emonda to create a lightweight climbing bike that also now focuses on aerodynamics. The Dura-Ace Di2 SLR 9 model is a very similar build to this Tarmac SL7, although it is a little bit lighter and costs £9,700.

The Merida Reacto Team Disc that we currently have in for test is another peloton-ready bike and comes with the same groupset. It's heavier at 7.5kg, but is priced at just £9,000.

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In this build the S-Works Tarmac SL7 is phenomenal when it comes to speed, stiffness and handling. Yes, it is a big outlay, and more than some of the competitors, but it's still an exceptional bike – I can't give it less than 9.

Overall rating: 9/10

About the tester

Age: 41  Height: 180cm  Weight: 76kg

I usually ride: This month's test bike  My best bike is: B'Twin Ultra CF draped in the latest bling test components

I've been riding for: Over 20 years  I ride: Every day  I would class myself as: Expert

I regularly do the following types of riding: time trialling, commuting, club rides, sportives, fixed/singlespeed,

As part of the tech team here at F-At Digital, senior product reviewer Stu spends the majority of his time writing in-depth reviews for, and ebiketips using the knowledge gained from testing over 1,500 pieces of kit (plus 100's of bikes) since starting out as a freelancer back in 2009. After first throwing his leg over a race bike back in 2000, Stu's ridden more than 170,000 miles on road, time-trial, track, and gravel bikes, and while he's put his racing days behind him, he still likes to smash the pedals rather than take things easy. With a background in design and engineering, he has an obsession with how things are developed and manufactured, has a borderline fetish for handbuilt metal frames and finds a rim braked road bike very aesthetically pleasing!

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Crazyhorse | 3 years ago

probably a great bike but some of us still like a bike that looks stunning esp at that price. Do all bikes have to be GREY or BLACK now?! It seems very unimaginative to me.

A nice paint job might cost a few grams but it makes for a much more desirable machine IMHO... (Willier seem one of the few superbike builders who still get this. But it is an Italian brand after all)

Stu Kerton replied to Crazyhorse | 3 years ago

Crazyhorse wrote:

probably a great bike but some of us still like a bike that looks stunning esp at that price. Do all bikes have to be GREY or BLACK now?! It seems very unimaginative to me.

A nice paint job might cost a few grams but it makes for a much more desirable machine IMHO... (Willier seem one of the few superbike builders who still get this. But it is an Italian brand after all)

If you take a look at the Specialized website you'll see that there are quite a few choices in the line-up when it comes to paint jobs.

My personal favourite is the Snake Eye/Satin Black frameset option!

You are right about Wilier though, I have the latest model here and its red paint job is stunning.

Fried | 3 years ago

I don't think that the parts on the bike actually justify the price. 

brooksby | 3 years ago

I only started reading this to see how the comments got from 'expensive bike review' to 'sub prime mortgages and the last financial crisis'...

David9694 replied to brooksby | 3 years ago

Well, you would need a mortgage to get one of these.  

Lengthy Interviews with inarticulate pros and £10k bike reviews were among the reasons I stopped buying Cycling Plus. 

Brexit - he started it, Miss. 


Nick T | 3 years ago

When did a range topping bike build like wot the pros ride ever not cost 10 grand? No one's forced to buy it, it's certainly not for me. I'd rather spend more and only get Campag mechanical with rims brakes

Kadinkski | 3 years ago

That was a great read, and what a truly stunning bike! I've managed to save a lot of cash during lockdown...was planning to put it toward home improvements but this is very tempting  1


EddyBerckx | 3 years ago

Lot of miserable f**kers on here.

It's a top end, pro spec bike. They have always been priced way out of range of most mortals - they are not meant to be bought in large numbers and neither will they be. They are an R&D experiment they use to advertise how good they are via publicity through their pro teams.

The frame will appear in a cheaper grade carbon in a year or two, but not as cheap as it should be thanks to Brexit.

Rich_cb replied to EddyBerckx | 3 years ago

Didn't realise this frame was made in the EU?

EddyBerckx replied to Rich_cb | 3 years ago

It isn't but that didn't stop big prices rises as a result of Brexit (pound to dollar/euro fluctuations and so on)

Rich_cb replied to EddyBerckx | 3 years ago

Pound was falling against the dollar long before Brexit.

In fact it fell more from 2014-2016 than 2016-2018 (Jan 1st each year).

EU tariffs on bicycles are also 14%.

Nick T replied to Rich_cb | 3 years ago

It dropped during the GE which Tories won with a manifesto promising a referendum, it dropped during commons debate on the Bill, when the Bill was passed, it dropped when the referendum was announced etc etc but sure - the markets only react to things that have already happened and there's no such speculative trading, only the drop after 2016 was due to brexit 🙄 

Rich_cb replied to Nick T | 3 years ago

I do enjoy the extent that people will go to to blame Brexit for things.

£ declining against the dollar in 2014 and 2015? Brexit.

How about the Suez crisis?

The exchange rate rocketed after the 2015 exit polls showed a conservative majority.

How does that fit with your theory?

hawkinspeter replied to Rich_cb | 3 years ago

We're going to need a graph for this

AlsoSomniloquism replied to hawkinspeter | 3 years ago
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Is that Stage 19?

Nick T replied to Rich_cb | 3 years ago
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im not apportioning "blame" as you say, I'm not quite so narrow minded that there's only "good" and "bad" like you seem to be - I'm merely explaining the driving cause of the drop in £ vs $. If you would like me to explain how exchange rate mechanisms work, why a "worse" exchange rate can be beneficial, how markets react to uncertainty and other basic principles, I'd be happy to inform you on these things

hawkinspeter replied to Nick T | 3 years ago
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Here's a better view of the rocketing

Rich_cb replied to Nick T | 3 years ago

You seem to have unsurprisingly avoided the point I was making.

You suggested that the large decline in the £/$ exchange rate in the 2 years prior to the referendum was due to market uncertainty caused by the possibility of a referendum.

If that were true then surely you would expect a further large decrease in the £/$ exchange rate when one of the parties proposing a referendum gained a majority?

Given that the exit poll release led to an immediate and substantial increase in the £/$ exchange rate it would suggest your theory was nonsense.

njblackadder replied to EddyBerckx | 3 years ago

Still sulking about leaving the E.U.? Grow up!!!

David9694 replied to njblackadder | 3 years ago

Brexit - less sulking, more really concerned: winter, Brexit, Covid, it's not a great combination.

Brexit is a pack of shape-shifting lies, making Britain vulnerable/ behoven to all sorts of malign international influences that don't have our best interests at heart. No-one who actually runs anything significant is in favour - they're just prepping for it in the same way as you prepare for strikes, severe weather and skills/supplies shortages.
I can't prove chicken/egg on this, but we're seeing a new breed of violent individualism e.g. "I do own the road - get on the cycle path unless you want to be punched". Was it my imagination, or did it all take a turn for the worse after the 2016 ballot?
There is a mentality that says "don't build any new houses because things likes roads are choked, GP surgeries and schools are all at capacity - no more people to arrive on our shores either - we're full up". The roads thing might well be true in the sense that they are worse than 30 years ago, but the other stuff is just parroted and not based on experience or evidence.
You'd have to be nicely housed, thank-you to say this and also - it's not a matter of xenophobia - not be capable of any empathy towards the Plight of the Channel boat people. "We can't help you, we've got our own problems."
I blame the car, drivers of which recognise the roads are full and don't want t lose so much as a metre, for magnifying this feeling of over-population, and indirectly causing this rising selfish parochialism. 

Last little hassle-free while with Bike 24, Holland Bike, Lordgun and Ridewill.

njblackadder replied to David9694 | 3 years ago
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You are obviously far more knowledgable and intelligent than I am and your opinions, stated with such certainty, must be utterly correct. I think all the small and medium business owners (not to mention some of the larger ones) who disagree with you will be very pleased to hear that they do not run 'anything significant'.

EddyBerckx replied to njblackadder | 3 years ago
njblackadder wrote:

Still sulking about leaving the E.U.? Grow up!!!

It's a disaster and needs calling out. As does this government. Maybe not on this site tbf. Except when it comes to bike prices  10 xx

njblackadder replied to EddyBerckx | 3 years ago

I like your style, even if I might not agree with your opinions!!

sparrowlegs | 3 years ago

So basically Specialized have admitted that all its past frames are made to pretty crappy tolerances? The pressfit design is better than threaded (which is still a pressfit design when you think about it) but very few manufacturers have the QC to make sure each frame leaves with the correct tolerances required. 

Then there's the wheels. Specialized have been banging the tubeless drum for years. Their latest tubeless S-works tyres have been "proven" to be faster than their tubulars (although I've read some shocking reports of fit issues and constant pictures) but to meet the stringent aero/weight requirements the new wheels have been made clincher only? This surely will affect sales?

An SL6 with a hambini bottom bracket and a set of Hunt Limitless 48 seems to be a better option.  

Prosper0 | 3 years ago

Expect a load of price bashing in the comments which is boring. You're buying something uncompromising and the very best, price doesn't matter. The great thing is that R&D from bikes like this will trickle down into more relevant bikes for the road cc masses in due course. 

antares replied to Prosper0 | 3 years ago

Can you please list what's going to trickle down? Is there anything conceptually new here with this bike? Is it drastically different from SL6? Maybe it's 2x11 wired groupset, or threaded bottom bracket, or "revolutionary weight" for a bicycle frame, or non-tubeless wheels that may be slower than Hunt's wheels? The only thing that trickles down is pricing.

CheshireCat | 3 years ago
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10k for something that ugly...

lio | 3 years ago

Lovely looking bike, especially with the Turbo Cottons.

It would be interesting to get some measurements on how well the frame is made. i.e. is the bottom bracket round? Does an ultrasonic scan turn up any defects? That kind of thing. For the money it should be perfect. 

richliv | 3 years ago

A beautiful machine but 10k, really ? Bike manufacturer BS

NZ Vegan Rider replied to richliv | 3 years ago
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Agreed. Take the wheels and groupset etc out of the equation...

D & D costs but then it not a great deal to actually produce the frame in Asia.


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