“52mph in a 20 zone… Lycra lout cyclists are creating death traps all over Britain.”
That is the news sat proudly atop The Telegraph newspaper’s front page this morning, the promo for an in-depth analysis of Strava segments across London and the respective speeds reached to achieve their fastest times. However, as many people have since pointed out online, the speeds cited in lots of the paper’s examples appear not to be the feat of unsuspecting cycle commuters who should really be ditching the suit and tie for a summer challenging Mark Cavendish at the Tour de France, but rather just the result of dodgy GPS data.
The feature centres around a segment on Chelsea Embankment, Tite St to Chelsea Bridge, where the Telegraph claims a cyclist (who probably “felt that was a commute well spent”) had covered the 630-metre segment at 52mph (84km/h), evidence “cyclists are turning UK roads into death traps”.
What the feature does not appear to question or fact check is why a London cyclist on their way to work would be faster even than what six-time Olympic champion Sir Chris Hoy says was his fastest ever speed, 80km/h achieved on an optimal indoor velodrome in the keirin, a track cycling event where riders slipstream behind a derny to achieve faster speeds.
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On another cited segment the newspaper alleges a cyclist smashed past Lambeth Bridge at 46mph (73km/h), hitting a max speed of 52mph, despite the average speed for their ride being 16mph (25km/h). A third claims a rider, whose power meter (a calibrated device giving an accurate measure of how much power a rider is putting through the pedals) reports he averaged 204w, but had taken the fastest time at a speed of 42mph (67km/h).
According to Bike Calculator, an 80kg cyclist riding a bike weighing eight kilogrammes (on a perfect summer’s day with no wind) would have to hold 2,500w to ride the earlier Tite St to Chelsea Bridge segment at 52mph.
As one cyclist on social media responded to the article, “If you can ride through London at 52mph, please contact your local professional bicycling team. They may be interested in your skills.”
Others pointed out the “GPS glitches” apparent in the segments used, Chas Pope telling the newspaper: “You might want to check your research on the cycling article you’ve splashed on your front page. Virtually all of the fast times on the Strava
segments you chose have GPS glitches”.
Political reporter at The Guardian, Peter Walker, called the story “my absolute favourite anti-cycling news story of all time”.
“But congrats, I suppose, to the Telegraph for opening a new (if entirely fictitious) front against cyclists: being able to travel at 52mph on the flat,” he wrote on social media.
The story raises concerns about cyclists racing Strava segments putting pedestrians and other road users in danger, the story coming days after the ride-sharing app reminded the public that it already has a feature to flag segments as “hazardous”, removing the leaderboard.
Strava was commenting to road.cc in light of calls from the Royal Parks to remove a segment in Regent’s Park following the death of a pedestrian in a collision with a cyclist back in 2022. The rider involved will not face prosecution as the Metropolitan Police deemed there was “insufficient evidence for a real prospect of conviction”.
The case, thrust into the spotlight since a recent coroner’s inquest, reignited the discussion about cycling, the government now moving forward with introducing tougher legislation to prosecute cyclists who kill or injure through dangerous or careless cycling.
Commenting on the discussion around segments, Strava told us: “We are aware of the tragic cycling incident which occurred in London’s Regent’s Park in June 2022 and our condolences go to the victim’s family.
“At Strava, safety of our active community and those around them is a priority, and we have community standards that note that ‘sports happen in dynamic environments that we share with motorists, pedestrians, other people, equestrians, pets and wildlife’. Strava expects those in our community to ‘prioritise everyone’s safety and enjoyment of our shared resources and respect the law’. The behaviours related to this incident violate Strava’s ‘community standards’.
“At the end of last week, we received a request from Royal Parks to discuss the cycling route segment where the incident occurred. The ability to flag a cycling route segment as hazardous already exists in Strava. Anyone can report a segment that they would deem as hazardous. If segments are flagged as hazardous, achievements are not awarded for that segment and leaderboards are disabled. Any Strava community member who cycles on that same route segment will receive a warning of the hazards on that segment.”





















112 thoughts on “Telegraph journalists told “check your research” after front page claims cyclists hit 52mph chasing London Strava segments… despite that being faster than Olympic track cyclists”
Unfortunately it was a rather
Unfortunately it was a rather persuasive article. “A falsehood has got halfway round the world before the truth has got its boots on!”
Even worse, that rag will
Even worse, that rag will have known that the readings were inaccurate and ignored it.
I’d say anyone who has used
I’d say anyone who has used Strava for any length of time will have experienced a similar glitch.
I’ve not managed it by bike, but I once managed to run to a location about half a mile from my route, up a great big hill, and back again in less than a minute. I would have looked forward to their coverage of my world record breaking athleticism, but I also follow the Couch 2 5k Facebook page, so know I’m in no way unique with this occasional physics defying skill.
I’d be amazed if no-one involved in the feature was aware this was a thing.
Im not sure about that, as
Im not sure about that, as the way they wrote about using a garmin device in one of their other deep dives into the topic, youd think they were still using quill and ink to write their articles on parchment.
technologically savvy they aint
Persuasive for unthinking
Persuasive for unthinking wazzocks.
I’m actually surprised it’s
I’m actually surprised it’s taken this long for Strava segments to be weaponised against cyclists as evidence of “racing”.
Berte Carr-Crashum at dimwit
Berte Carr-Crashum at dimwit hall informs me that he has a splendid idea: all the thousands of cyclists who will now be sent to prison for life can be put to good use generating electricity for the nation on stationary bicycles – they will be allowed to use strava, the person who generates the most electricity in one hour will be presented with an extra dollop of porridge next morning at breakfast by the governor.
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Was the cyclist perhaps hit by a speeding motor vehicle, and their GPS kept recording as they were flying through the air?
(or, was the entire story entirely made up?)
It’s not possible even for
It’s not possible even for pros on the flat. They can do 56mph down hill and maintain around 29 to 30 mph on the flat. typical anti cycling nazi news rag.
GPS glitch as the power
GPS glitch as the power output of 101W is incompatible with the speed recorded.
Cav got to 47/48 mph in a TdF sprint. Pog acheived about 850W max according to summarised data released.
I have achieved 40mph somewhere around Kimmerage/Lulworth – a long downhill, straight. I was very relieved to have only found this after I started back up hill as I have no idea how I would have coped if I’d known at the time !
Hirsute wrote:
He maxxed at 880W on the Col de Peyresourde, but his maximum (disclosed) power output is 1253W at the Tokyo Olympics.
Ok thanks. I did try and find
Ok thanks. I did try and find his max and the 850 came up.
Mine did ~3000kph when I was
Mine did ~3000kph when I was hit whilst I was stopped in traffic. Diver wasn’t charged with anything, not even undo care.
Sorry to hear that
Sorry to hear that
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I await the Torygraph giving one single solitary example of a motorist being killed while driving their car, when in collision with a cyclist
Or a big article about
Or a big article about motorists driving very fast over the speed limit with speed gun evidence – plenty to choose from every day
brooksby wrote:
I did almost nut the driver as I flew through his windscreen on Chiswick High St?
Drivers have already turned
Drivers have already turned roads into death traps.
52mph!! Sluggard. I once
52mph!! Sluggard. I once reached 134.9 mph according to my GPS. Even topped 80mph walking
I managed about 60kpm in the
I managed about 60kph in the last 1km of a walk as I forgot to press stop before getting in the car.
And what is the Secretary of
And what is the Secretary of State for Transport doing about that?!
Banning cyclists and
Banning cyclists and pedestrians in central London. They are both hazards that should be removed for the hard working, tax paying motorist.
bloodylazylayabout wrote:
Useless. I got a phone GPS app up to 1762 mph (I was in a car and heading to the Museum of Flight in East Lothian*). It just started to rise so I left it to see where it would stop. Might have gone higher but I got bored and wanted to look at aeroplanes instead.
*Well worth a visit, though last time I was there, the coffee and cakes were not up to cycling standards.
Cyclists; Holding drivers up
Cyclists; Holding drivers up whilst riding dangerously fast, since the 1800s.
Just like that time the Alliance of British Drivers (no me either) gotcha’d cyclists using Strava data. Just that the data they chose came from the Tour of Britain….
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukbike/comments/49p1p0/association_of_british_drivers_use_professional/
What a bunch of grasses. I
What a bunch of grasses. I bet they also took those cyclists’ photos without their consent, too.
nah they photoshopped them,
nah they photoshopped them, if they were doing 52mph theyd look much blurrier
Driver swerved to avoid 52mph
Driver swerved to avoid 52mph cyclist
It doesn’t count. That’s an
It doesn’t count. That’s an electric car /s
Cause of Pedestrian Deaths
Cause of Pedestrian Deaths 2022 UK
cars 258, LGVs 42, bus/ coach 20, motorbikes 11, BICYCLES 0
Shouldn’t that read as
Shouldn’t that read as “BICYCLES 1” given that the death in 2022 is what has prompted this who-haa?
it doesnt get counted in
it doesnt get counted in those stats, as the she died 2 months later, it was something else the Telegraph moaned about in their reporting claiming the real figure of cyclists causing deaths must therefore be much bigger and was being hidden
But that cn apply to vehicles
But that cn apply to vehicles too – and they already caused 258 deaths that year.
Absolutely, but the clowns at
Absolutely, but the clowns at the Telegraph don’t consider that a problem.
I tried for years to go over
I tried for years to go over 50mph down mountains in the Alps on my loaded touring bike not really believing it was possible. I found the place where I thought I might actually do it – an 18% gradient 2km long almost straight stretch of road in Austria on the eastern side of the climb to Kuhtai at a place called Greisen. With a lot of frantic pedalling, breathing and gear shifting I took my chance. My old-style bike computer using a magnet on the wheel recorded 54.2mph max speed. A one off.
Shame on the Telegraph though – no cyclist has ever done that speed in central London and the editor knows it. Motorists on the other hand can be witnessed doing that speed alarmingly often. A 6.3l bi-turbo struggles to drive slower than 52mph, and there are plenty of vehicles with engines like that with such excess power on London streets.
Great, can’t bloody win!
Great, can’t bloody win!
Schrödinger’s cyclist…
We are simultaneously too slow and causing drivers to overtake dangerously and also too fast and risking the lives of every child in the country.
So, either the Telegraph
So, either the Telegraph journalists are either:
– so ignorant of human physiques and aerodynamics that they think that cyclists can actually do 52mph on the flat
– so prejudiced that they believe that dangerous cyclists must be doing something dangerous at all times
– so cynical that they know it isn’t in any way true, but publish it anyway.
Which one is it?
All five (There will be at
All five (There will be at least two more that I haven’t thought of yet).
Or number 4: They are a
Or number 4: They are a typical journalist who does zero research. Read ANY article in a mainstream paper or website you have a little bit of knowledge on and I absolutley guarantee you, you’ll find at leats two factual errors.
It’s too bad when this laziness results in changing public opinion.
I am sure that if the wind is
I am sure that if the wind is strong enough 52 mph on the flat is doable. The journalist was probably just assuming the cyclist was aided by a tornado or microburst.
Imagine studying journalism
Imagine studying journalism and then the high point of your career is writing for the Torygraph and just making up shit so that angry pensioners can moan about it.
hawkinspeter wrote:
Do Telegraph journalists study journalism? From the general standard of the paper, and certainly the op-ed sections, I assumed that the only necessary qualification was that daddy was at school or university with one of the senior management.
Congratulations Nazigraph!
Congratulations Nazigraph! You have now achieved Hyper-Junk Press status, and may hold your head up high when meeting your mentors at DM, DE, Sun etc.
The fast rides are all
It’s not “Dodgy GPS data”. It’s not GPS data at all: The fast rides are all virtual rides that haven’t been flagged as such. There’s a workout called “London City Trip” on the Tacx app, and all but one of the top 10 rides on the “Tite St to Chelsea Bridge” segment follow this route exactly (24.7km long). Just goes to show that Tacx is a bit generous with the virtual speed. I doubt it’s been done maliciously or to win KOMs. It’s just people haven’t figured out that they need to flag these rides as virtual to Strava.
It’s all very well and good
It’s all very well and good that the Telegraph is being ridiculed on a corner of Twitter, but the damage of this woeful journalism is already done.
Each person who has seen that headline and taken it as true is now a bit closer to believing that cyclists are a danger and are killing people around the country.
Each person who thinks that cyclists are dangerous is now more likely to think that “something must be done”.
TBH this has pissed me off so
TBH this has pissed me off so much that I’ve complained to the Independent Press Standards Organisation. If you want to do the same, the link is here:
https://www.ipso.co.uk/
The link to the Telegraph article is:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/16/competitive-strava-cyclists-turn-uk-roads-into-death-traps/
The complaint is under clause 1: accuracy, which anyone can make.
AidanR wrote:
I don’t think “Press Standards” have anything to do with the Torygraph
And yet they are a member
And yet they are a member
AidanR wrote:
I completely agree!
Oh wait, you mean a member of IPSO…
They are members and abide by
They are members and abide by the code of practice BUT it’s really just a toothless talking shop set up to give the appearance of some sort of regulation. They replaced the press complaints commission but all that really happened was a change of name.
hawkinspeter wrote:
I don’t think “Press Standards” have anything to do with the Torygraph
— AidanR
My politically aligned and practically useful recommendation for copies of the Telegraph is that they be used to line Donald Trump’s diapers.
I mentioned ‘numbers’ instead
I mentioned ‘numbers’ instead of speed so ipso sent me a response saying ‘what numbers do you refer to’ so I sent them back a whole list of quotes from the article etc.
I got the impression that nothing will be done if they can’t connect ‘numbers’ with ‘speed’ which I also mentioned.
That doesn’t fill me with
That doesn’t fill me with hope!
I wonder if they’ve
I wonder if they’ve referenced one of these dodgy segments, there’s a bunch of folks who averaged 52.9mph, including my mate a local police officer who max speed was 34mph and we all know how accurate short strava segments are :-/
https://www.strava.com/segments/1645861
PS Even if speed limits became applicable to bikes he never broke the speed limit, its a national speed limit road 😀
Never ceases to amaze me how
Never ceases to amaze me how terribly bad the british “newspapers” are. You need to fix this. If they dare claim things that are physically impossible, imagine what else they lied about. With such a press, no wonder in what state your country is at.
To be fair to them though, I did hit 92 km/h with 0 Watts. In a full aero tuck going down a long 12% descent, on a segment that I’ve started avoiding because I’m such an idiot and can’t keep myself from trying to beat my record.
I have found myself doing
I have found myself doing 90km/h down Kop Hill, but I hope thats ok, it is a National Speed Limit road.
I find that about news in
I find that about news in general… it is all very believable until they report on something you actually know about, then it is obviously poorly researched/entirely misleading or takes a very one sided view.
Thye are lying, they know
They are lying, they know they are lying, they are deliberately lying, and they will continue to lie.
I don’t normally engage with scum-sucking writers or scum-sucking politicians, because I think I can achieve more by spending my time clearing illegal anti-wheelchair barriers off a couple of mlles of cycling or wheeling infra.
We know that Mark Harper and IDS are neing flushed down the toilet of history in a few months, so it is really only about damage they may do before that point.
Is this one worth it? I’m not sure.
Keep up the good and useful
Keep up the good and useful work!
Reported to IPSO as well not
Reported to IPSO as well not that it will do any good. Made me feel better. Only hit 50 a couple of times, Pork Hill on Dartmoor (down not up) and personal record, 54.8, riding through Timanfaya National Park in Lanzarote with a 35mph tailwind, hoping that no-one overtook on the traffic coming the other way nor that a gust took me over the edge into the lava fields.
Really is lazy journalism though with serious, potentially life-threatening consequences. Only takes one idiot who thinks they are doing the world a favour.
Now a Lanza descent on a
Now a Lanza descent on a blowy day is where these Telegraph speeds could be reached. I mean I’m not a fast descender but I’ve touched 50mph over there.
This is just how desperate
This is just how desperate the outgoing lame duck of a Government is. Clearly cyclists are high on their list of culture war targets to use as a distraction from actual issues and/or a woke scapegoat in an appeal to the gammon vote. It’s going to be a long election campaign….
It would be nice to think it
It would be nice to think it was just the current government.
But the opposition benches are notably also quiet, when there hasn’t been anything in the past few months they haven’t expressed an opinion on.
It will be interesting to see what the Sunday papers and the round up on news channels brings.
Obviously Labour are focused
Obviously Labour are focused on doing nothing to rock the boat until the election (having had a few years reinventing themselves as “definitely not the bonkers Socialist party”).
However I don’t see any evidence of great interest in this area by them – indeed I think the overall views about transport are similar across most parties (save Labour’s railway ownership changes and of course Welsh Labour’s default speed limit reduction).
The Embankment is where two
The Embankment is where two years ago a drunk and drugged car driver killed a woman and her three dogs, he was doing more than 65 MPH on a 20 MPH limit road. According to the Telegraph, cyclists are the great danger to pedestrians on the Embankment.
Chris Boardman
Chris Boardman
I don’t normally get involved in calling out headlines but it’s just getting bonkers.
If this was directed at a gender, race or religion it would be rightly called out as the hate speech it is. Mums, dads, sons and daughters being labelled as killers. It’s just got to stop.
I remember, 40 years ago,
I remember, 40 years ago, telling my dad, who was a Daily Telegraph reader, he’s now ‘graduated’ to the Daily Mail, that not everything in the Telegraph was correct. He responded by telling me, in his authoritarian manner, that the Daily Telegraph was a ‘paper of record’ and that if it was printed in the Telegraph it would be true.
Of course if the 84 km/h is so easily falsified, and let’s be honest every cyclist who saw it thought BS, then it has to bring the Daily Telegraphs status as a paper of record and truth teller into disrepute.
I think the days of it being
I think the days of it being a record of truth are long gone, its just into sensationalism now.
Today it’s moaning about obesity and people who eat pies in Wigan.
VIPcyclist wrote:
A while back (around the time of the farcical 2016 referendum) you could read it online without an account. You presumably never availed yourself of the opportunity.
Has any one else noticed a
Has any one else noticed a significant deterioration in the standard of driving around cyclists in the last couple of days, or is it just me?
Yes, I don’t want to think it
Yes, I don’t want to think it’s more than coincidence, yet, but I’ve encountered alot of crap driving around me on my bike this week, more than it has been for a long while.
Latest from my neck of the
Latest from my neck of the woods. No details obviously but smacks of a hit & run (only a bloody non tax paying lycra out anyway)….
https://www.surrey.police.uk/news/surrey/news/2024/05/witness-appeal-following-single-vehicle-collision-in-peaslake/
Does ‘single vehicle
Does ‘single vehicle collision’ suggest that the police don’t think it was a hit and run?
No. Not it doesn’t.
No. Not it doesn’t
https://anthonyjones.com/single-vehicle-accident-liability/
Bungle_52 wrote:
I thought not from commuting this week, but just returned from a 40 km round-trip through South London traffic to visit the mater and received four passes which very definitely felt like they were deliberate intimidation (unfortunately none of them showing well enough to report as they were swerving in towards me from behind then moving away as they passed my front facing camera). I’d usually expect to receive a deliberately intimidatory close pass (rather than a MGIF one) once a week if that, so make of that what you will.
Bikes can do unbelievable
Bikes can do unbelievable speeds special along the embarkment, there are a new breed of cyclists that think the road belongs to them, there also very good cyclists a balance must be fund not to punish those that ride responsible, 10 years ago all cyclists would stop at red lights there are people that are vision impaired that is a dead trap to them
Ace wrote:
Absolute bollocks.
Do you write headlines for the Torygraph or is this a ChatGPT-generated comment?
Yup. There are no fast
Yup. There are no fast cyclists (especially not on e-bikes), and all cyclists behave like saints all the time. Anyone who suggests otherwise is lying or a bot. Welcome to the world of road cc comments.
What kind of e-bikes? Are
What kind of e-bikes? Are they legal EAPCs – only powered up to 15.5mph, most have limits on “power without pedalling”? Or do you mean “illegal electric motorbikes”?
I think we already have laws for those? (And indeed “cycling in the footway.
“).
We could have clearer laws or perhaps greater punishments – but wouldn’t it be better to perhaps sort out how they might be actually caught (police resources, public video reporting) or do something to discourage the motorbikes in the first place?
So do more to mildly discourage *actual high street stores selling e- things that are totally illegal to operate most places* Currys, never mind the interweb. Or maybe have a look into the very grey area of food delivery companies and their management of (and duties towards) their “definitely not employees, we’ve established that in law”.
In the recent IDS article in
In the recent IDS article in the Telegraph concerning the proposed new death by dangerous cycling laws, he did mention the problem of modified e-bikes speeding around on the pavements, and he isn’t wrong. However, an EAPC modified to ‘go faster’ is no longer an EAPC and is a motor vehicle instead and already covered by existing death by dangerous driving laws, I believe.
Whilst IDC may be confused about e-bikes, his mistake does underscore a lack of clarity and enforcement surrounding the category. There is a tendency, I think, to lump everything on two wheels with an electric motor into this catch-all category of ‘e-bike’ and make an ‘e-bike’ problem a cycling problem.
I see a lot of heavy pedlec-style bikes zipping around the city near me and they undoubtedly should not be on the pavement, and I’m sure almost none are properly licensed and insured as mopeds (which they should be). Similarly, on the TPT near me, I sometimes see masked youths on true electric motorbikes, something going at high-speed potentially in proximity to horses and small kids.
The public just sees ‘e-bikes’ and consequently blames cyclists.
Even the EAPC category can get confusing because a small number of twist-and-go models have been approved under its rubric.
Is HE back?
Is HE back?
I’m not lying and you’re
I’m not lying and you’re still spouting complete bollocks.
People pedalling a bicycle, including a legal e-bike, along there can achieve those speeds.
It’s nothing to do with cyclists being “saints”, you’re just an anti-cyclist moron who is not even smart enough to even try to disguise your prejudice.
I hope they are trying and
I hope they are trying and failing at satire because you are right its 100% bolloxs :-/
I don’t think “punishment” is
I don’t think “punishment” is going to *fix* it for people with visual impairments though.
Parts of London are undergoing a rapid* change in terms of street design and transport modes. Unfortunately that will be confusing and likely a bit of a mess sometimes. And those most affected are (as always) those with visual impairments, disabilities, the older, the very young etc.
We need enforcement – the threat of negative feedback is what keeps honest people honest.
Punishment is a part of that – but… enforcement requires that people are caught, charged and convicted first! And the first part of that is lacking on our streets and roads. And that’s ultimately the limiting factor – more police (even just to review camera reporting) gets costly fast.
You mention “death trap” and “unbelievable speeds”. That is perception – deaths are incredibly rare, and most cyclists (eg. not those using already illegal electric motorbikes) are a lot slower than “slow” motor vehicles at “20mph”.
We should definitely address that “feels really unsafe / unpleasant” – that’s enough to limit people’s travel.
There are some people cycling who – in the excitement of actually having “their own” space – are doing so no more considerately than they would in cars. That’s human nature (plus possibly a skew in the population of people prepared to cycle on our still hostile and inconvenient streets at all).
So I’d suggest the ultimate solution is better infra designs which can provide assurance of safety. Plus some “human changes”: people getting used to the presence of cycles and cyclist behaviours plus the “cycling culture” settling on some “standards”.
There are norms of behaviour everywhere – most relevant here are those on our roads for drivers. They’re independent of the actual rules. Cycle (and indeed pedestrian) infra should guide those behaviours to be safer by default **. That’s fine in part by providing convenience so people aren’t *tempted* to break the safety rules. Unfortunately that’s more difficult and costly to arrange for motorists because of the power and insulating effects of their exoskeletons.
* Within a generation.
** Examples (from the familiar world of motoring) would be motorways for safer fast travel (everyone is moving in the same direction and effectively same speed, there is no “crossing other traffic” outside of lane changes etc. There is actually a *lot* of design work here). Also roundabouts for safer higher-capacity junctions (compared with crossroads or other junctions).
As someone whose mum is
As someone whose mum is visually impaired and in her 80s, I feel able to comment here. She is occasionally startled by cyclists that she doesn’t see but that’s because she doesn’t hear their approach and she is suddenly aware they are closer than she would like. She has, and will increasingly have as their numbers increase, the same issues with electric scooters and electric cars. The cars are her biggest concern as they think not only the road belongs to them but in many cases the pavement as well if their parking is anything to go by. Forcing her to walk in the road with limited vision is extremely dangerous and unsettling for her.
I dug out the Strava Sement
I dug out the Strava Sement “Tile St to Chelsea Bridge”, and the KOM speed shows as 68.7kmh (42.9mph) which was set in March 2012. Not sure where the journalist got 52mph from. Looking at the speed for the ride analysis doesn’t show any odd speed spikes either, so, did they make the 52mph up ?
https://www.strava.com/segments/13106975
BigglesMeister wrote:
mikewood wrote:
Agreed – but still no sign of the mystery 52mph!
Rendel found this
Rendel found this
“This is the current Strava leaderboard for Albert Bridge to Battersea Bridge along the (flat) Chelsea Embankment, from whence they presumably drew this data, with the leader at 86 kmh. If they weren’t so eager to grasp at anything to demonise cyclists they might have noted that her alleged power output to achieve this feat was 92W; by my reckoning, even for a 60kg rider on a 7kg bike, it should require over 3000W!”
It’ll not show on that leader
It’ll not show on that leader board because apparently it was a Tacx virtual ride :-/
That’s nothing – I did a 10
That’s nothing – I did a 10,000 mile ride once in only a few hours
Started just SOuth of teh Bering Straits and rode as fast as I could to teh banks of a canal near Warrington – across part of teh Pacific, right across the USA and across the Altantic, Ireland and the Irish Sea
Then rode back home a bit slower
I should have applied for a World Record but I though using the Eco assist level on my Legal ebike might disqualify me
Must have been true as STrava said so!
That’s nothing, I once rode
That’s nothing, I once rode from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego in 11 hours on my Raleigh 20 folder I’d shipped in my hold luggae from the UK. That was in the old days though so no Strava and my camera broke so I’ve not got photos either. I had to ride a bit faster through Central America because there were several wars on at the time, otherwise it would’ve been 12 hours.
Astonishing that the
Astonishing that the Telegraph would allow such an obvious and basic error to make it to their front page. Then again, these Strava speeds look like fact if you aren’t thinking too hard and want it to fit your agenda. It’s chilling stuff – puts cyclists up and down the country in danger.
A couple of days ago I was
A couple of days ago I was riding at 27 m.p.h. in a 20 m.p.h. zone (freewheeling down a steep hill.)* when I was overtaken by a taxi like I was standing still. I’m pretty sure they were doing at least 52 m.p.h.
*on my way to work
But taxis drivers are
But taxis drivers are professionals. They know what they are doing and they drive responsibly. Anyway the taxi probably had somewhere important to go. Some people actually need to work, not like bone-idle lefty slacker cyclists messing around in their silly lycra on their childish bicycles all day. Maybe if you actually got a job and did some real work for a change you’d be able to afford proper transportation too.
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There was once a time when
There was once a time when The Daily Telegraph was a respected newspaper to the right of the po;litical agenda.
OldRidgeback wrote:
Indeed, my grandfather used to read it even though his political opinions were towards the left, he said he found it the most objective and best written of the broadsheets. I very much doubt he would read it nowadays.
Happened to glance at my
Happened to glance at my Strava this evening – Battersea Bridge to Lots Road, leader 178 km/h! Stop the madness!
And here are the culprits
And here are the culprits
This might shock some people,
This might shock some people, but Strava can be used by anyone, not just cyclists. You can even drive a motor vehicle and record the segment, not necessarily being truthful. 52mph on a bike you say? I wonder what the actual mode of transport was.
stewb62 wrote:
Could it be on someone’s phone and they “forgot” to turn the app off?
I’m afraid the once
I’m afraid the once respectable Daily Telegraph has now become one of the most reactionary rags in the UK. Pretty well all of its contributors are desperate hard-right agitators. A rogue’s gallery of talentless grifters with an axe to grind.
It’s not really my thing to talk politics on cycling forums, but in this case, we can now see the political dimension to recent attacks on our community.
What worries me the most is that anything which encourages drivers to further dislike or disrespect cyclists clearly endangers our safety.
The Telegraph has now issued
The Telegraph has now issued a correction:
“CORRECTION: This article and its headline have been amended to remove speeds recorded on Strava which Strava has now deleted and which appear to have been erroneous. Data is uploaded to Strava by users, either automatically or manually, and cannot be checked or independently verified; the data is accepted on trust. We are happy to clarify this point and correct the record.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/16/competitive-strava-cyclists-turn-uk-roads-into-death-traps/
JAPD wrote:
Or
“CORRECTION: Sorry, people – we totally failed to fact check on this one but don’t worry, we’ll make sure they don’t get away with it next time! We are happy to clarify this point and correct the record.”
“It’s not our fault; it’s
“It’s not our fault; it’s theirs.”
The article still contains at
The article still contains at least one reference to the now infamous 52mph. And loads of other questionable speeds still in the article.
New record – 5.4km in 28
” New record – 5.4km in 28 seconds, giving me an average speed of…… 694 km/h. Should I call the daily mail?! ” – CykelTony
The Telegraph may be wrong in
The Telegraph may be wrong in detail and malign in spirit but this article and the comments below ignore their essential point. There are far too many segments that encourage unsafe cycling. Strava should surely develop an algorithm to exclude built up areas, major road crossings and perhaps also steep descents (at least on minor roads).
And they should make it easier to flag hazardous segments. I’ve never seen any evidence of a segment actually being flagged and I can see why. The instructions on how to do so are hard to find and obscurely worded. I’ve finally found and understood them and flagged two dangerous segments. I’ll see if any flag appears or if Strava behaves like Facebook.
I must admit to feeling a
I must admit to feeling a little sorry for Telegraph reporters Eleanor Steafel and Ben Butcher in this case. It’s almost certain they had no idea of how hard it is to reach speeds above 40 mph on a bike except on long downhills, or how few recreational cyclists can even get to 30 mph on the road.
They, no doubt, come from car world where such speeds are considered “slow” with 52 mph more like moderate. The business of journalism today is plagued by a dearth of people with no real-world experience with anything, and most of the smart kids have left the game.
Steafel is a feature writer focused on “food and dining” – https://muckrack.com/eleanor-steafel/articles – and Butcher is a “data editor” focused on what might best be described as taking the garbage in and putting the garbage out – https://muckrack.com/ben-butcher.
There’s nothing to suggest either of them would have had a clue as to how absurd the claim they were reporting.
cmedred wrote:
Dont be. Ben was literally employed as a fact checker by the BBC prior to moving to the Torygraph. Its 100% on him.
If only they had a Sports
If only they had a Sports section as part of their paper, then they could have spoken to one of the writers there. But alas…