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Developers of smartphone speed camera app sent abuse by motorists

"We’re getting quite abusive emails – some people think it's a good idea, some people think that it turns us into a surveillance state"...

The developers of smartphone speed camera app Speedcam Anywhere have reported abuse from drivers, forcing them into anonymity.

The app founder told the Guardian newspaper the team has received "quite abusive emails" and said it had become "a Marmite product" which some people see as a step towards a "surveillance state".

> New smartphone app to allow public to submit evidence of speeding drivers

Available on the Google Play Store, with an iOS version said to be coming soon, Speedcam Anywhere uses AI to analyse video and report offences to the police.

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Despite being currently unable to prompt speeding drivers to receive a ticket, due to the algorithm having not been vetted by the Home Office meaning it is not legally a speed camera, the director of road safety campaign 20's Plenty For Us, Rod King, said the app will be "transformational".

But, now faced with abuse from disgruntled road users, the app's founder said they have been forced into anonymity.

"We're getting quite abusive emails," they said. "It's a Marmite product – some people think it's a good idea, some people think that it turns us into a surveillance state.

"I can see both sides of that, but I think that if you're going to have speed limits, then it's the law that you obey them, and you should enforce the law. It's not a personal vendetta against anyone, it's just – how do we make our roads safe? There are 20,000 serious injuries on the roads every year – how can we reduce them? And the way we reduce them is we make a deterrent to speeding."

The app has received low reviews on the Google Play Store due to issues with logging in (apparently now fixed post-update) and concerns about the in-app purchase price to buy credits to take pictures.

However, other reviews criticise the very idea of a smartphone speed camera: "In East Germany, citizens were encouraged to report their neighbours to the Stasi for even the smallest societal infraction. 'Congratulations' on creating a modern day version of that. If you couldn't tell, I'm being sarcastic. This app disgusts me."

Speedcam Anywhere's creator says the app is simply automating the process of reviewing submissions.

"What we did is extended the sort of capabilities that dashcam systems have, so that you can automate the forensic video analysis that dashcams already do. So instead of a human looking at a video working out the offence, we've created software that automates the process," they continued.

"I think this is a step in the bigger journey of how we make our roads safer and more accessible for everybody.

"Having roads that are just too dangerous for kids to cycle to school on, having roads that are too dangerous for parents let their kids cross – I think that's wrong, and society needs to get over it. Make the roads safer, make them less unpleasant, and then we can start to look at how else we can move around."

Addressing the fact the app cannot currently be used for evidencing speeding tickets, the founder said they hope widespread use of the app will at least alert officers to speeding hotspots and encourage action to prevent dangerous driving.

An iOS version of the app is yet to be approved by Apple, something the app's developers find confusing: "We're not sure why they would block a useful piece of technology, something that could save people's lives."

20's Plenty For Us director King praised the app's premise, saying it "will be a game-changer in speed limit enforcement".

"It allows police forces to align with community needs for compliance without imposing an increased load on the police. We expect it to be welcomed by all those interested in making our communities safer," he said.

Dan joined road.cc in 2020, and spent most of his first year (hopefully) keeping you entertained on the live blog. At the start of 2022 he took on the role of news editor. Before joining road.cc, Dan wrote about various sports, including football and boxing for the Daily Express, and covered the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Part of the generation inspired by the 2012 Olympics, Dan has been 'enjoying' life on two wheels ever since and spends his weekends making bonk-induced trips to the petrol stations of the south of England.

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Bigfoz | 2 years ago
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Not sure why drivers are getting exercised about it - as we all know the only people who break road laws are cyclists jumping red lights. So drivers must be safe from must this pointless app as they never, ever, honest guv, break the speed limit...

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Bentrider | 2 years ago
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Meanwhile, the Google store has any number of speed camera monitoring/detection apps without a peep from anyone about assistance or incitement to break the law.

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to Bentrider | 2 years ago
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And Satnavs with camera locations saved which normally pings a warning to said driver. It does seem that most people treat speeding as a victimless crime. 

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Simon E replied to AlsoSomniloquism | 2 years ago
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AlsoSomniloquism wrote:

It does seem that most people treat speeding as a victimless crime perfectly reasonable thing to do and not a crime at all.

I've altered your statement to reflect what appears to be the reality - that more than 50% of drivers are habitual law-breakers that don't give a f**k about anyone else.

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HoarseMann | 2 years ago
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"some people think that it turns us into a surveillance state"

That boat sailed a while ago.

I think the problem here is some people are assuming there will be a 'zero tolerance' approach from the police in enforcing this, thinking you will get done for doing 23mph in a 20 zone. But the accuracy of this system means it will only be applicable to those driving well in excess of the limit.

We also know from close pass submissions that some forces will only start to pay attention to a driver after 3 incidents of poor driving within 3 months.

So, you've got to be caught 3 times, in 3 months, doing well over the limit. When you look at it like that, it's only a problem for the very worst drivers. Can you really argue against it?

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jaymack replied to HoarseMann | 2 years ago
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The surveillance state argument is an interesting one nowadays. People happily share their photo's online complete with geo' tag information, they use Siri or Alexa on the move and at home all while sharing their location via their mobile phones. They are surveilling themselves! Still if this makes drivers more aware of the need to observe the speed limit 'tis a good thing.

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Benthic replied to HoarseMann | 2 years ago
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HoarseMann wrote:

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...thinking you will get done for doing 23mph in a 20 zone...

There would be no harm in perpetuating that myth.

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lonpfrb replied to Benthic | 2 years ago
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Benthic wrote:

HoarseMann wrote:

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...thinking you will get done for doing 23mph in a 20 zone...

There would be no harm in perpetuating that myth.

The ACPO guideline used to be 10%+2 to allow for electro-mechanical speedometers that may still be legal. So 20+(20*0.10)+2 is 24mph to get nicked.

However most police regard 20mph as un-enforcable since they have no fixed penalty cameras (GATSO) for that. Further the Traffic Division have been abolished by most Chief Constables so unlikely to have a properly calibrated speed measuring device on most police vehicles. Really only Speedwatch groups are enforcing 20mph limits...

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Rod King replied to lonpfrb | 2 years ago
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In 2021 Avon & Somerset Police issued nearly 24,000 Notices of Intended Prosecution for exceeding a 20mph limit. These were mainly on hand-held devices. For everyone electing to go on a Speed Awareness Course instead of a fine and endorsement A&S Police received a £40 admin fee, so making the enforcement self-funding.

It's not resources or funding that hold some police forces back from enforcing 20mph limits but the will to actually tackle the problem. SCA provides a very complementary resource for both uniformed officers with a smartphone and the public. See https://www.20splenty.org/how_sca_works

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lonpfrb replied to Rod King | 2 years ago
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Rod King wrote:

In 2021 Avon & Somerset Police issued nearly 24,000 Notices of Intended Prosecution for exceeding a 20mph limit. These were mainly on hand-held devices.

Good to hear that some Chief Constables do act to enforce. Cuts to Police funding have made this the exception as 'real' crime is though to be something else and the CC cares about his Legitimacy score so feels obliged to take direction from local elected representatives...

Rod King wrote:

It's not resources or funding that hold some police forces back from enforcing 20mph limits but the will to actually tackle the problem.

I will be drawing attention to the SCA at Parish, Borough and County Council level to make your point that the tool exists and with that an opportunity to change behaviour & road danger.

Our Speedwatch group is constrained to one occasional speed measuring device without evidence capture ability and one Borough PCSO who kindly makes appearances despite being outside our area. So that's minimal support in practice.

SCA looks transformational to me...

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David9694 replied to HoarseMann | 2 years ago
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My guess would be the very worst drivers are doing the abusing - as they have the most to fear/"lose"

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