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GMB slammed on social media after asking: “Should cyclists be forced to ride single file?”

TV show ‘debate’ sees Matt Barbet’s explanation of why it’s safer to ride two abreast countered with insistence that cyclists should “show respect”

ITV’s flagship morning show, Good Morning Britain, has been slammed on social media after it aired a segment entitled “Should cyclists ride single file?” which pitched broadcaster and cyclist Matt Barbet, who patiently explained why it is often safer for people to ride two abreast, against writer and BBC DJ Ed Adoo, who ignored the question at hand and instead dredged up an anecdote from eight years ago, saying that people on bikes need to show more “etiquette.”

The piece, which can be viewed on ITV Hub – it starts at 2 hours 10 minutes into the recording – began with one of the show’s hosts saying, “Drivers and cyclists testing the other’s patience,” with his co-presenter adding, “But with more cyclists than ever on Britain’s roads, should those taking to two wheels be forced to ride single file?”

It then cut to a brief report where, after some dashcam footage and a few vox pops, the reporter said: “Part of the problem, say cycling groups, is Rule 66 of the Highway Code, causing confusion.”

The reporter says that campaigners are calling for the rule to be changed to read, “You can ride two abreast, and often it is safer to do so.”

Both British Cycling and Cycling UK did incorporate those words into their suggestions for a new version of the rule in response a Department for Transport (DfT) consultation last year into proposed changes to the Highway Code.

> Fleet Street fury over campaigners' calls to clarify ‘two abreast’ cycling rule

Currently, the rule says: “You should never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends.”

The DfT has proposed amending the rule to read that cyclists should “ride in single file when drivers wish to overtake and it is safe to let them do so. When riding in larger groups on narrow lanes, it is sometimes safer to ride two abreast.”

Barbet, a former presenter of Daybreak, the predecessor show to GMB, as well as ITV4’s The Cycle Show and its Tour of Britain coverage, was invited to put his response first and began by saying that viewing cyclists and motorists as separate tribes was a fallacy, pointing out that most people he knows who ride bikes drive cars, too. “It’s not cyclists clogging up the roads, it’s cars,” he added.

He went on to explain how riding two abreast makes it easier and safer for motorists to overtake cyclists, as has been clearly shown in this video produced by journalist and author Carlton Reid six years ago which features advanced driving instructor Blaine Walsh and champion cyclist turned active travel advocate Chris Boardman.

Side by Side from carltonreid on Vimeo.

He also highlighted the principle of the hierarchy of road users, which puts the most vulnerable, first pedestrians, then cyclists, at the bottom of a pyramid, and those driving vehicles with the propensity to do most harm, such as HGVs, at the top.

Incorporating the concept within the Highway Code formed part of last year’s consultation, with the DfT saying that it “ensures that those road users who can do the greatest harm have the greatest responsibility to reduce the danger or threat they may pose to other road users.

“The objective of the hierarchy is not to give priority to pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders in every situation, but rather to ensure a more mutually respectful and considerate culture of safe and effective road use that benefits all users,” the DfT added.

As often appears to be the case when TV shows seek to put forward a ‘balanced’ debate on a whole host of supposedly divisive topics, not just cycling, the counterpoint to someone putting forward a case based on facts and evidence was instead based on anecdote and sweeping generalisations.

Adoo started his reply to Bardet by recounting an incident in 2013 in which a cyclist swore at him, which prompted him to pen a column at the time for Huffington Post which was published under the headline, It's Time We Gained Some Respect From Cyclists.

In that column, written at the end of a month in which six cyclists had been killed on London’s roads, Adoo dismissed safety measures such as protected cycle lanes or banning HGVs, claiming, “The problem is it's nothing to do with bus or lorry drivers but the cyclist [sic] themselves.”

In his conclusion to that piece, he added: “The bottom line, cyclists need to learn how to respect other motorists and not do idiotic things such as riding without a helmet or protected gear.

“It has to stop and I think a cycle registration or tax scheme would ensure first and foremost, that deaths are reduced.”

On GMB this morning, he returned to that theme – without once addressing the specific issue supposedly being debated.

“I’m not saying that all cyclists are morally wrong, and they’re rude and they swear all the time,” he insisted.

“Yes, you are,” Barbet interjected.

“No, I’m not saying all cyclists are rude,” Adoo replied, “what I’m saying is there needs to be etiquette with cyclists,” going on to repeat his call for cyclists to be registered.

Asked by Barbet if he ever rode a bike on the road, he answered: “Yeah, loads of times.”

“You know how intimidating it can feel, don’t you?” Barbet said.

“Listen, it’s not about intimidation, it’s about respect on both sides,” Adoo insisted.

“But again, some cyclists – especially London – they think they own the roads, and they don’t, it should be that the highway should be for everyone, and for everyone to owe respect.”

Among those responding to GMB’s tweets of clips of today’s segment was Detective Chief Superintendent Andy Cox of Lincolnshire Police, national lead for road collision investigations.

Unsurprisingly, the clips also drew the usual share of comments about how cyclists should have to be insured and pay non-existent ‘road tax’ – points that were quickly countered by other Twitter users.

Simon joined road.cc as news editor in 2009 and is now the site’s community editor, acting as a link between the team producing the content and our readers. A law and languages graduate, published translator and former retail analyst, he has reported on issues as diverse as cycling-related court cases, anti-doping investigations, the latest developments in the bike industry and the sport’s biggest races. Now back in London full-time after 15 years living in Oxford and Cambridge, he loves cycling along the Thames but misses having his former riding buddy, Elodie the miniature schnauzer, in the basket in front of him.

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Captain Badger replied to EK Spinner | 3 years ago
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EK Spinner wrote:

I have always felt that line in the HC was never clear (and I suspect many here would agree). Not only is there no dimensions given, there is no definition of space.

Does it mean the space between the rider and the overtaking car should be the same as if it were a car being overtaken, because you can pass a 1.5t car at 60mph wih maybe a 500mm gap without there being any adverse effect. doing the same to a cyclist is bloody scary

Or does it mean the gap beween the overtaking car and the verge should be the same as if you were overtaking a car in that space.

I would much rather that it were clearer, something like "all ovetakesing should be done by driving fully in the next lane to the right whaen it is clear and safe to do so" with an exception for single track roads where there is no second lane and a definite list of dos and don'ts for single tracks

The line about never more than 2 abreast, and single file on winding, narrow or busy roads is not to allow for o'takes, it's about meeting something coming the other way. It's safety advice to the rider, and not about "holding the traffic up".

You're right, this needs to be clarified

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wycombewheeler replied to Captain Badger | 3 years ago
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Captain Badger wrote:

The line about never more than 2 abreast, and single file on winding, narrow or busy roads is not to allow for o'takes, it's about meeting something coming the other way. It's safety advice to the rider, and not about "holding the traffic up".

You're right, this needs to be clarified

Interesting, I always took that single file on narrow roads to be directed towards avoiding conflicts with oncoming cars, and for clarity they should define this as roads without a centre line.

While busy roads tend not to be so narrow, so it seemd it was to allow drivers to pass, but that would only be feasabile where the road is wider than the majority of UK roads, which would be defined as critical width by dutch guidance and to be avoided.

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Captain Badger replied to wycombewheeler | 3 years ago
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wycombewheeler wrote:

 

Interesting, I always took that single file on narrow roads to be directed towards avoiding conflicts with oncoming cars, and for clarity they should define this as roads without a centre line.

Yes, that's what I meant, re reading showed me that I wasn't as clear as I could be

 

 

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wycombewheeler replied to Captain Badger | 3 years ago
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Captain Badger wrote:
wycombewheeler wrote:

Interesting, I always took that single file on narrow roads to be directed towards avoiding conflicts with oncoming cars, and for clarity they should define this as roads without a centre line.

Yes, that's what I meant, re reading showed me that I wasn't as clear as I could be

I think I was agreeing with you on narrow roads, but questioning the conclusion as to busy roads. AS to my mind riding two abrest does not cause conflict with oncoming traffic (except on very narrow roads), so I can't understand the intend for the restriction on busy roads.

But drivers take busy roads to mean - any road where I can't immediately pass cyclists because there is oncoming traffic, never considering that safely passing is not possible in such circumstances.

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Captain Badger replied to wycombewheeler | 3 years ago
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wycombewheeler wrote:
Captain Badger wrote:
wycombewheeler wrote:

Interesting, I always took that single file on narrow roads to be directed towards avoiding conflicts with oncoming cars, and for clarity they should define this as roads without a centre line.

Yes, that's what I meant, re reading showed me that I wasn't as clear as I could be

I think I was agreeing with you on narrow roads, but questioning the conclusion as to busy roads. AS to my mind riding two abrest does not cause conflict with oncoming traffic (except on very narrow roads), so I can't understand the intend for the restriction on busy roads.

But drivers take busy roads to mean - any road where I can't immediately pass cyclists because there is oncoming traffic, never considering that safely passing is not possible in such circumstances.

Sorry, again, not comprehending what was (clearly) written.

On busy roads I have the same interpretation.

This is not about attempts to o'take the rider(s) - rule 163 is invoked, and it is not the responsibility of the overtakee to facilitate the manoeuvre of the overtaker (I know I'm teaching Granny to suck eggs at this point, I'm just going through my reasoning step by step). A busy road though is likely to see more o'takes in either direction, so again I believe this is more about conflict with oncoming. 

Personally I believe it to be poorly written and unnecessary - it is incumbent on the overtaking vehicle to ensure there is no oncoming, but there you are....

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wycombewheeler replied to EK Spinner | 3 years ago
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to my mind "as much space as" does not mean the same thing as "as close to"

But for the avoidance of doubt the instructions for dealing with cyclists are the same clause as instructions for dealing with horses. So drivers should think to themselves "would I pass a horse this close?" If not they are too close.

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EK Spinner replied to wycombewheeler | 3 years ago
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wycombewheeler wrote:

So drivers should think to themselves "would I pass a horse this close?" If not they are too close.

 

I have underlined the major flaw in your argument here, except it doesnt show even though it's available on the editor

"drivers should think to themselves" - this is the major flaw here

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wycombewheeler replied to festina | 3 years ago
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festina wrote:

.... Drivers on my local dual carriageway ........ They show no respect.

have you tried cycling with more etiquette?

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Captain Badger replied to wycombewheeler | 3 years ago
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wycombewheeler wrote:
festina wrote:

.... Drivers on my local dual carriageway ........ They show no respect.

have you tried cycling with more etiquette?

My top button is always fastened, and my tie neatly tightened. I'm not sure what more I can do tbh....

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PRSboy | 3 years ago
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Don't know where to start with Adoo's 'response'. 
Im genuinely appalled by his notion of cyclists owing respect to another group of road users.

Should be be crushed in his car by an HGV, would that be his fault for not showing respect to a superior road user?

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Gary's bike channel | 3 years ago
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cyclists must not ride two abreast - YouTube
if the link doesnt work. you tube- search gary rides bikes- cyclists must not ride two abreast.
its such a stupid argument. Reminds me of the saying'' calling the kettle black''.
cars are almost always two abreast and get in eachothers way, bikers way, lorry drivers, bus drivers way. But you dont see us cycling or triding motorbikes up to their window and yelling at them to get single file! it is safer and easier to pass people riding side by side, MOST of the time. Yestedday i saw two young kids on a main road with their parents sat right out next to them, and it did indeed force every car driver to go into the other lane to pass, rather than going anywhere near the small child on the left hand side. Only hypocrites can tell people to be single file, unless theyre willing to be told to get a chainsaw out and slice the car in half. 
 

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wycombewheeler replied to Gary's bike channel | 3 years ago
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when 4 cyclists occupy the same amount of space as a single person in a car they are being selfish and hogging space.

Only time single file would help would be when a motorbike wants to overtake, and the other lane is occupied.

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kingleo replied to wycombewheeler | 3 years ago
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Greedy selfish motorists want all of the pubic roads, all to themselves all the time. All they do most of the time is move around empty seats that are hardly ever used.

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wycombewheeler replied to kingleo | 3 years ago
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kingleo wrote:

Greedy selfish motorists want all of the pubic roads, all to themselves all the time. All they do most of the time is move around empty seats that are hardly ever used.

maybe we need a campaign of riding these

https://www.internationalsurreyco.com/four-wheel-bikes/surrey-cycles/

 

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eburtthebike | 3 years ago
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What incredibly coincidental timing!  A report comes out that most people support spending money on segregated cycle facilities and taking away space from motor vehicles, and GMB ignore that and produce this dire excuse for a debate.

I may have hinted at this before, but the media in this country is congenitally opposed to cycling.  If they weren't, there would be daily programmes about the overwhelming benefits of a change from driving to cycling, instead of these fake articles only aired to distract from them.

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wycombewheeler replied to eburtthebike | 3 years ago
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eburtthebike wrote:

What incredibly coincidental timing!  A report comes out that most people support spending money on segregated cycle facilities and taking away space from motor vehicles, and GMB ignore that and produce this dire excuse for a debate.

I may have hinted at this before, but the media in this country is congenitally opposed to cycling.  If they weren't, there would be daily programmes about the overwhelming benefits of a change from driving to cycling, instead of these fake articles only aired to distract from them.

if the health, mental health and weight benefits of cycling could be supplied in a pill, half the country would be taking it. And probably be prepared to spend more than the majorirty of cyclists do on cycling.

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Velophaart_95 | 3 years ago
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The comments on the Twitter thread are predictably depressing; this is what we're up against. The 'great' British public once again showing they've less brains than a service station pasty. And their knowledge, (or lack of) of The Highway Code is just breathtaking......and these people are in charge of a metal box. 

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Captain Badger replied to Velophaart_95 | 3 years ago
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Velophaart_95 wrote:

The comments on the Twitter thread are predictably depressing; this is what we're up against. The 'great' British public once again showing they've less brains than a service station pasty. And their knowledge, (or lack of) of The Highway Code is just breathtaking......and these people are in charge of a metal box. 

Take heart VP, the comments are from a self selecting poule of the kind of people who watch GMB. Not a reliable cross section

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giff77 replied to Velophaart_95 | 3 years ago
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It's now getting to a stage that I no longer have the energy to counter ill informed rants 😕  The most recent being screamed at for being in the middle of the road. I tried to tell them it was the middle of the lane with a series of three traffic islands and the road to my left was all cut up and anyway I was doing 20mph!  They couldn't accept this and were so fixated on my being in the middle of the road and finally resorted to calling me an effin p**** before racing away and jumping a red! 

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the little onion | 3 years ago
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If you are in a car, unless you are driving a Caterham 7, you have no right to complain about other people being two abreast.

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EK Spinner replied to the little onion | 3 years ago
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Why a caterham and not a Westfield, or an Ariel atom

At least with a Renault twizy or the rocket that Gordon Murray launched a few years ago the occupants are in single file

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Captain Badger replied to the little onion | 3 years ago
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the little onion wrote:

If you are in a car, unless you are driving a Caterham 7, you have no right to complain about other people being two abreast.

Even then the seats are two abreast . And they take up the same width as any other car. Mine is the same width as a Sierra, because it's all Sierra running gear

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EddyBerckx | 3 years ago
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Pretty much the only time I get abuse is when riding two abreast with club mates/ friends. Almost EVERY TIME, they have a totally empty lane on the right in which to safely overtake.

They have absolutely no idea about the leaving a cars width when overtaking rule, or what it means for them (that even when overtaking cyclists in single file, they'll have to go into almost all the other lane so may as well just do it as default).

As usual, tv muppets promoting never ending hate crime for views.

 

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MattieKempy | 3 years ago
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Clearly GMB viwers are dyed-in-the-wool Nazis, Daily Mail readers and paid-up Tories. There is no reasoning with, or educating them.

I'm just soooooo tired of this whole anti-cyclist rhetoric

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markieteeee replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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In which left-wing publication?  Your link is from the Huffington Post. 

That they printed this shows that the conservative media is the side promoting the culture war, which is the opposite of the incorrect point you keep trying to make. Maybe you assumed the Huff is left-wing as someone in it somehow criticised your true love, but it does not make the publicaton (or news aggregator in this case) 'left-wing'.

Anyway, my mama always says 'don't feed the trolls' so I'll leave you to your bizarre alternative facts and wish you a happy bank holiday Monday. Stay safe.

 

 

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Jetmans Dad replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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Nigel Garrage wrote:

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/huffpost-media-bias you're welcome

Being considered left wing in a nation whose right wingers consider Joe Biden to be a Socialist is fundamentally unconvincing.

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TheBillder replied to Jetmans Dad | 3 years ago
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Jetmans Dad wrote:
Nigel Garrage wrote:

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/huffpost-media-bias you're welcome

Being considered left wing in a nation whose right wingers consider Joe Biden to be a Socialist EXTREMIST is fundamentally unconvincing.

FTFY

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markieteeee replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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The article that you linked to was from Huff UK and your 'proof' that it is a left-wing publication is a contentious rating from a US source specifically about the US version (and even then, just look at their methodology - I'm sure even you could pick it apart). 

 

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to markieteeee | 3 years ago
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Whilst it is nice to pick apart Boo's arguments, the Huff is "left" wing like the Guardian etc but even the latter has anti cycling sentiments in there sometimes as well. It is certainly no Heil or Telegraph though. 

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Eton Rifle replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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Thing is, the Venn is remarkably accurate. And Gammons are over-represented.

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