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Anti-cycling bingo cards ready? @JeremyVineOn5’s “nightmare” phone-in; road.cc hack’s partner surprised at sudden tattoo conversion; Dutch hackers hijack traffic lights via cycling app; More fallout on Jakobsen crash + more on live blog

Today’s live blog with Alex Bowden (daytime) and Simon MacMichael (evening)
  • by Alex Bowden
Thu, Aug 06, 2020 08:33
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SUMMARY

  • Fabio Jakobsen in induced coma following horror crash at Tour de Pologne
  • Deceuninck-QuickStep boss says rival sprinter should be jailed
  • Alessandro De Marchi calls for zero tolerance of dangerous riding and evolution in safety measures
  • In rather less bleak news… cycling in Paris!
  • Pascal Ackermann reportedly hit 83kph in the same Tour de Pologne finish two years ago
  • It’s Cycle to Work Day (although it’s not being observed quite so rigidly this year)
  • It’s the Mont Ventoux Challenge today
  • Dutch hackers hijack traffic lights via cycling app
  • Sarah Mitchell appointed Cycling UK’s new Chief Executive
  • Groenewegen comments on Jakobsen crash
  • Cambridge's Dutch-style roundabout from above
  • Scot smashes West Highland Way cycling record, powered by jelly babies
  • Aleksandr Vlasov wins Mont Ventoux Challenge
  • Cyclist airlifted to hospital with possible spinal injuries after sheep leaps into his path near Keswick
  • Jakobsen’s team boss says he will report Groenewegen to police
  • Free minor bike repairs during Bike Week later this month
  • Anti-cycling bingo cards ready? Jeremy Vine's "Nightmare" phone-in
  • road.cc hack's partner surprised at his sudden conversion to tattoos
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6 August 2020, 08:33

Fabio Jakobsen in induced coma following horror crash at Tour de Pologne

The condition of Fabio Jakobsen was last night described as serious but stable following his horrific crash during yesterday’s sprint finish at the Tour de Pologne.

The crash happened metres from the line in Katowice in a fast, downhill sprint, with Jumbo-Visma rider Dylan Groenewegen appearing to move across Jakobsen’s line, flicking an elbow at him to send him into the barriers, which immediately broke apart.

The UCI has said it “strongly condemns” the “dangerous behaviour” of the Dutch sprinter.

Jakobsen’s team, Deceuninck-Quick Step, said that diagnostic tests didn’t reveal brain or spinal injury, but because of the severity of his multiple injuries he is being kept in an induced coma.

He has undergone facial surgery and doctors will try to wake him later today.

Fabio Jakobsen had facial surgery during the night. His situation is stable at the moment and later today the doctors will try to wake Fabio up.

More information will be published when available.

Again, we want to thank you all for the huge support!

Photo: @GettySport pic.twitter.com/aVK6HakIwk

— Deceuninck-QuickStep (@deceuninck_qst) August 6, 2020

6 August 2020, 08:33

Deceuninck-QuickStep boss says rival sprinter should be jailed

Deceuninck-QuickStep manager Patrick Lefevere says Dylan Groenewegen should be jailed for the manoeuvre that caused Fabio Jakobsen to crash.

They have to put this guy of @TeamJumbo in jail 😡

— Patrick Lefevere (@PatLefevere) August 5, 2020

Groenewegen’s team has said that “crashes like these should not happen” and offered “sincere apologies”.

Our thoughts go out to Fabio Jakobsen and other people involved in today’s terrible crash in the Tour of Poland. Crashes like these should not happen.

We offer our sincere apologies and we will discuss internally what has happened before we may make any further statement. #TDP20

— Team Jumbo-Visma cycling (@JumboVismaRoad) August 5, 2020

6 August 2020, 08:33

Alessandro De Marchi calls for zero tolerance of dangerous riding and evolution in safety measures

Italian rider Alessandro De Marchi of Team CCC has called for an evolution in safety measures in light of the “absurd” speed of modern riders.

He went on to call for the CPA, the professional riders’ union, to take ‘concrete action’ on the matter.

pic.twitter.com/cgjmddNZdX

— Alessandro De Marchi (@ADM_RossodiBuja) August 6, 2020

6 August 2020, 08:33

In rather less bleak news… cycling in Paris!

My colleague Simon MacMichael is out and about on a bike in Paris today.

We should have plenty from him throughout the day.

I didn’t think I could love Paris more.

Then the bikes and scooters came. pic.twitter.com/soz3IigWJC

— Simon MacMichael (@simonmacmichael) August 6, 2020

i’ve never seen this in London.

But today I have seen dozens of couples zooming along together on electric scooters and oh my 🥰 pic.twitter.com/LuMYerJcMI

— Simon MacMichael (@simonmacmichael) August 5, 2020

Seriously unconvinced you can just Park your camper van and go to sleep in the middle of the Rue St Antoine in the 4eme like it’s a field in the Auvergne pic.twitter.com/hgiBglSuVx

— Simon MacMichael (@simonmacmichael) August 5, 2020

6 August 2020, 08:33

Pascal Ackermann reportedly hit 83kph in the same Tour de Pologne finish two years ago

With regard to Alessandro De Marchi’s comments about “absurd” speed (see below), Daniel Friebe reports that on the same slightly downhill Tour de Pologne finish two years ago, German sprinter Pascal Ackermann hit 105kph.

Two sobering details, reading about previous Katowice finishes in the Tour of Poland: Pascal Ackermann’s reported top speed of 105kph two years ago, and the use of 55-tooth chainrings by some riders.

— Daniel Friebe (@friebos) August 6, 2020

Here’s footage of that one – which you have to say had its fair share of close shaves.

Update: Apparently it wasn’t quite that quick, but still…

Ackermann’s data suggests he wasn’t quite *that* quick in 2018, but still pretty terrifyingly fast. https://t.co/N0RX392uBh

— Daniel Friebe (@friebos) August 6, 2020

6 August 2020, 08:33

It’s Cycle to Work Day (although it’s not being observed quite so rigidly this year)

As many of us return to the daily commute, this #CycleToWorkDay we’re sharing tips to help you make the trip by bike:

🗺️ Use a route planner & try it at the weekend
📆 Don’t book meetings first thing
👔 Take spare clothes

Any other ideas? More advice: https://t.co/ulrMd70R0n pic.twitter.com/1MBWrvYuf3

— Cycling UK (@WeAreCyclingUK) August 6, 2020

🚴 It’s #CycleToWorkDay and we’ve teamed with @WeAreCyclingUK to help you find convenient places to park your bike at our stations. 🚉

You can also use a journey planner to help find a cycle-friendly route from each station:

➡️ https://t.co/vUYfpDvPVo pic.twitter.com/Yc2gqN5xJK

— Network Rail (@networkrail) August 6, 2020

The 9th Cycle to Work Day. 🤗

This year it’s, ‘Cycle to…Who? What? Where? Day’.❤

Ride anywhere, for any reason & with anyone.

I’ll be riding to work, home & to play squash…cycling for work, rest & play. 🚲

Stay safe & make the miles count. 🙏#CycleToWorkDay #CycleSelfie pic.twitter.com/pfSDcqRKJX

— Alison Insley (@alisonnakra) August 6, 2020

Not in work today, so I did a ride along the river Trent before breakfast for cycle to work day.👍 #CycleToWorkDay @WeAreCyclingUK @ThatCountsGM @TamesideCouncil pic.twitter.com/lfItME2ryv

— Phil Allen (@philantony77) August 6, 2020

6 August 2020, 08:33

It’s the Mont Ventoux Challenge today

#MVDC2020
🚩 Vaison-la-Romaine
🏁 Mont Ventoux
🚴🏻♂️ 178.5 Km
Route: https://t.co/gMBa1Pn9cw pic.twitter.com/FDXkxhhLmt

— La Flamme Rouge (@laflammerouge16) August 6, 2020

The start list includes Nairo Quintana, Romain Bardet, Fabio Aru, Miguel Angel Lopez and Richie Porte.

Tête de course à Puymeras, départ tres rapide pic.twitter.com/c1REipKoXw

— CIC – Mont Ventoux Denivele Challenges® (@MontVentouxDC) August 6, 2020

6 August 2020, 08:33

Dutch hackers hijack traffic lights via cycling app

Security researchers in the Netherlands have found that by reverse engineering cycling apps, they can hack into traffic lights and cause delays.

Wired reports that a pair of researchers, Rik van Duijn and Wesley Neelen, exposed vulnerabilities in an “intelligent transport” system used in 10 Dutch cities.

A number of apps share a rider’s location with traffic systems and, whenever possible, switch lights to green as they approach a junction.

By spoofing non-existent cyclists, van Duijn and Neelen were able to trick the traffic management system into showing a green light and therefore a red for vehicles travelling in other directions across the same junction.

“We were able to fake a cyclist, so that the system was seeing a cyclist at the intersection, and we could do it from any location,” said Neelen. “We could do the same trick at a lot of traffic lights at the same time, from my home, and it would allow you to interrupt the traffic flow across a city.”

Neelen and van Duijn say they’ve warned the makers of the apps in question.

They have however warned of the security risks of ‘smart’ traffic management systems.

“Imagine you could create hundreds of fake trucks across cities. If the wrong traffic lights start turning red, you have an issue, and it would cause huge delays,” said van Duijn. “Now that we’re talking about building these intelligent transport systems, we need to be damn sure to think more about security.”

6 August 2020, 08:33

Sarah Mitchell appointed Cycling UK’s new Chief Executive

“We have a massive opportunity to support more people from communities all over the UK to get out on their bikes.”

At a time that is so important for cycling, we’re thrilled to announce that Sarah Mitchell has been appointed as our new Chief Executive: https://t.co/QfQgzoYG5i pic.twitter.com/V77h2a7gNG

— Cycling UK (@WeAreCyclingUK) August 5, 2020

Mitchell is standing down as the chief executive at Heart of the City, a social business which advises on responsible business, to become CEO at Cycling UK.

She is a former chief executive of Carers Network and head of housing at Crisis, the national charity for homeless people.

She will take over from interim chief executive, Pete Fitzboydon, in October.

“’I am thrilled to be joining the Cycling UK team at this really important time for cycling,” she said. “We have a massive opportunity to support more people from communities all over the UK to get out on their bikes and I look forward to being part of the movement to make that happen.”

6 August 2020, 08:33

Groenewegen comments on Jakobsen crash

The UCI has said it “strongly condemns” the “dangerous behaviour” of Dutch sprinter Dylan Groenewegen after he sent Fabio Jakobsen into the barriers at the end of yesterday’s stage of the Tour de Pologne.

Jakobsen is reported to be stable following surgery overnight.

Commenting today, Groenewegen expressed sorrow without apologising for his actions.

Twitter’s in-built translation has his comments down as: “I hate what happened yesterday. I can’t find the words to describe how sorry I am for Fabio and others who have been dropped or hit. At the moment, the health of Fabio is the most important thing. I think about him constantly.”

Ik vind het verschrikkelijk wat er gisteren gebeurd is. Ik kan de woorden niet vinden om te beschrijven hoe erg ik het vind voor Fabio en anderen die zijn gevallen of geraakt.

Op dit moment is vooral de gezondheid van Fabio het allerbelangrijkste. Ik denk aan hem, constant.

— Dylan Groenewegen (@GroenewegenD) August 6, 2020

6 August 2020, 08:33

Cambridge's Dutch-style roundabout from above

We posted a video on this the other day, but the overhead view’s worth a look.

The UK’s first Dutch-style roundabout which prioritises cyclists and pedestrians over motorists has opened in Fendon Road, Cambridge pic.twitter.com/cYi2Ikz2z5

— Joe Giddens (@jjgiddens) August 6, 2020

6 August 2020, 08:33

Scot smashes West Highland Way cycling record, powered by jelly babies

Scottish cyclo-cross champion Gary Macdonald has ridden the 96 miles from Milngavie, near Glasgow, to Fort William in nine hours, 28 minutes and 34 seconds.

The previous record, set in 2015 by Keith Forsyth, was 10 hours and 27 minutes.

Macdonald had never cycled the West Highland Way before.

“By the time I reached Bridge of Orchy, I had hit a brick wall and my legs didn’t feel attached to my body,” he told the Daily Record.

“I had many ups and downs to Fort William, my body shutting down, but thankfully the jelly babies kept me going.”

Macdonald’s time may not immediately strike you as being especially quick, but the West Highland Way was designed as a long distance walking route. Anyone riding it therefore has to tackle challenging terrain as well as gates which were designed for walkers.

6 August 2020, 08:33

Aleksandr Vlasov wins Mont Ventoux Challenge

“@ale_vlasov has conquered this spectacular mountain!” ⛰

The @AstanaTeam rider is victorious on Mont Ventoux 💪#MVDC2020 pic.twitter.com/ITliZ2qwNq

— Eurosport UK (@Eurosport_UK) August 6, 2020

The 24-year-old Russian finished second to Nairo Quintana in the Tour of Provence earlier in the year and third behind Egan Bernal and Pavel Sivakov in La Route d’Occitanie earlier this week.

Richie Porte was second today, 18 seconds back. Frenchman Martin Guillaume was the only other rider within a minute. And only just.

6 August 2020, 08:33

Cyclist airlifted to hospital with possible spinal injuries after sheep leaps into his path near Keswick

A 60-year-old cyclist had to be airlifted to hospital on Monday after a sheep leapt into his path near Keswick.

The man was riding down the main track from Force Crag mine towards Braithwaite when the incident took place.

A nearby group of walkers called emergency services. One was a doctor who ensured his spine was protected from movement until Keswick Mountain Rescue Team arrived.

Incident Number: 35
Location: Force Crag Mine, near Braithwaite
Callout Date: Monday 3rd August 2020
Callout Time:…

Posted by Keswick Mountain Rescue Team on Tuesday, 4 August 2020

6 August 2020, 08:33

Jakobsen’s team boss says he will report Groenewegen to police

We reported earlier how Deceuninck-QuickStep manager Patrick Lefevere had said that Dylan Groenewegen should be jailed for the manoeuvre that caused Fabio Jakobsen to crash.

Just in case you thought he’d only said that in the heat of the moment…

I go to court this kind of actions have to be out of cycling. This is an criminel fact mister @GroenewegenD

— Patrick Lefevere (@PatLefevere) August 5, 2020

Lefevere told Belga News Agency: “I am still very angry and stay behind those Twitter messages. It was a very dirty action by Groenewegen. You don’t do that. We have already lodged a complaint with the UCI and will also do so to the police in Poland. We will not just let this pass.”

6 August 2020, 08:33

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6 August 2020, 08:33

Anti-cycling bingo cards ready? Jeremy Vine's "Nightmare" phone-in

Tired anti-cycling arguments remain tired anti-cycling arguments.

Given the fact he hosts shows on TV and and is happy to talk about cycling on them and on his Twitter feed, Jeremy cops a fair bit of flak.

And boy, did he cop some today.

This item was like waking up inside a nightmare. And all the callers too! https://t.co/aAZy5JehWT

— Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) August 6, 2020

Keep going, Jeremy, we get it even if they don’t.

6 August 2020, 08:33

road.cc hack's partner surprised at his sudden conversion to tattoos

So as may have been mentioned once or twice on the blog in recent days, I am in Paris as I slowly … well, high-speed train for actual journeys … head towards Milan-San Remo.

My partner is from Milan, but is back in London, her home city for 25 years, looking after our dog.

I went for a lovely bike ride in Paris this afternoon, and here is a brief summary of part of our phone chat afterwards … if you are a fellow cyclist whose partner is a non-cyclist, I think you can relate … 

On phone to GF, glance down at leg, notice something.

"Oh BTW I got a tattoo in Paris today."

"A what … ?"

"Tatuaggio."

"I am so surprised. You? A tattoo?"

"I'll send you a picture."

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6 August 2020, 08:33

Fabio Jakobsen “stable” after overnight surgery following horrific Tour de Pologne crash

Fabio Jakobsen “stable” after overnight surgery following horrific Tour de Pologne crash

Deceuninck-Quickstep says Dutch national champion did not sustain brain or spinal injuries

6 August 2020, 08:33

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  1. HarrogateSpa
    August 6, 2020 at 9:06 am
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    The news on Fabio Jakobsen

    The news on Fabio Jakobsen sounds a little more hopeful today. Wishing him all the best for a recovery.

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    • AlsoSomniloquism
      August 6, 2020 at 9:17 am
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      Any news on the photographer

      Yes, sounds good. I thought he had gone straight into the stanchion full speed but might have been slowed down before then by the barrier AND the person standing there. I wonder if there is any news on that person because it looks like he takes the full force of Jakonsen and the barrier and also hits the stanchion. 

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      • Shake
        August 6, 2020 at 12:50 pm
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        Of the official that was hit,

        Of the official that was hit, BBC sport said “the race official struck in the incident suffered head and spinal injuries but was speaking when he was taken to hospital”

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  2. roubaixcobbles
    August 6, 2020 at 10:18 am
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    There’s a simple way of

    There’s a simple way of eliminating barrier crashes: all finishes should be on roads wide enough to give a good racing width and 2m each side to the barriers. In the finishing straight, a line would be painted 2m out from each barrier. Any sprinter crossing the line demoted to last on the stage and fined.

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    • WDG
      August 6, 2020 at 11:18 am
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      roubaixcobbles wrote:

      There’s a simple way of eliminating barrier crashes: all finishes should be on roads wide enough to give a good racing width and 2m each side to the barriers. In the finishing straight, a line would be painted 2m out from each barrier. Any sprinter crossing the line demoted to last on the stage and fined.

      — roubaixcobbles

      Yes, but that would have been Jakobsen as he was on the outside.

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      • roubaixcobbles
        August 6, 2020 at 11:30 am
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        WDG wrote:

        There’s a simple way of eliminating barrier crashes: all finishes should be on roads wide enough to give a good racing width and 2m each side to the barriers. In the finishing straight, a line would be painted 2m out from each barrier. Any sprinter crossing the line demoted to last on the stage and fined.

        — WDG

        Yes, but that would have been Jakobsen as he was on the outside.

        — roubaixcobbles

        Clearly if someone is pushed into the safety zone the pusher would be sanctioned; the point is that Jakobsen would have gone into the safety zone and not the barrier.

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        • Mark Semple
          August 6, 2020 at 11:43 am
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          So everyone in the safety
          So everyone in the safety zone is punished except those who are forced into it, in which case the forcer is punished and the forcee not

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    • Awavey
      August 6, 2020 at 12:37 pm
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      Ride London races frequently
      Ride London races frequently demonstrated that even with a road as wide as the Mall,it could still lead to serious injuries and major crashes in bunch sprints. in fact there was a view the wider the finish the more likely a crash was in a bunch sprint as riders would push more for position. The issues here were clearly speed caused by a down hill finish,so any crash was likely to lead to serious injury for riders and the barriers didnt seem to hold up under impact,but then when you are dealing with the forces/energy involved,which is directly correlated to the speed,they may not have been remotely designed to.

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      • roubaixcobbles
        August 6, 2020 at 3:12 pm
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        Awavey wrote:

        Ride London races frequently demonstrated that even with a road as wide as the Mall,it could still lead to serious injuries and major crashes in bunch sprints. in fact there was a view the wider the finish the more likely a crash was in a bunch sprint as riders would push more for position. The issues here were clearly speed caused by a down hill finish,so any crash was likely to lead to serious injury for riders and the barriers didnt seem to hold up under impact,but then when you are dealing with the forces/energy involved,which is directly correlated to the speed,they may not have been remotely designed to.

        — Awavey

        Actually RL only used half the Mall so not hugely wide (with barriers maybe 2.5 lanes), but my point is that if there’s a 2m DQ zone between the barriers and the racing zone, riders won’t go into that zone and so chances of hitting the barrier are minimized.

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        • Awavey
          August 6, 2020 at 7:44 pm
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          Well look how successful
          Well look how successful track limits is in motor racing to see how effective a painted line will be,its not, in F1 theyve had to go to computer gps technology every 200metres to get it to stick,and you still get 3 if not arguably 4 goes at it before they’ll penalise it,riders will be the same always push the limits,bend the line gain as much advantage you can, plus in the wet your lines will be just as likely to cause crashes as prevent them. it just needs race organisers to pick suitable finishes,think about the risks and mitigate them and commissaires to crack down hard on riders who put others in danger. even if there hadnt been a resulting crash Groenewegen should have been expecting an automatic relegation from the sprint at the very least and anything upto DSQ from the race completely.

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    • Dicklexic
      August 6, 2020 at 8:39 pm
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      Not sure a 2m zone like that

      Not sure a 2m zone like that would work, but certainly there should be much more robust and prescriptive regulations placed upon the race organiser regarding the barrier setup and the premitted road furniture on the run-in to the finish. If nothing else they should make sure the finish gantry posts are set well back (2 or 3m minimum) from the side barriers. At least then the riders are far less likely to impact such an immovable object as the finsh gantry if they were to crash inside the finish chute. The barriers should also have smooth and continuous facings so that riders may slide along them, and be fixed to the ground so that they wont be pulled into the road like those yesterday. It seems the loose barriers were the reason so many other riders came down.

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  3. Awavey
    August 6, 2020 at 12:42 pm
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    It might be terminology, but
    It might be terminology, but spoofing instances of imaginary cyclists using this traffic light app,to my thinking isnt quite hacking,they havent done an Italian job on it,though for sure the point they raise out of it is still totally valid.

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  4. David9694
    August 6, 2020 at 2:31 pm
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    more ‘ Dieselgate’

    more ‘ Dieselgate’ developments today on BBC news,  I see, our favourite car manufacturer in the news again for all the wrong reasons…

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  5. mdavidford
    August 6, 2020 at 3:19 pm
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    Quote:

    “I had many ups and downs to Fort William”

    Well, yes – that shouldn’t really have come as any surprise… 

     

    BTW – that’s Guillaume Martin, not Martin Guillaume.

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  6. MattieKempy
    August 6, 2020 at 4:02 pm
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    Patrick Lefevre is an idiot,

    Patrick Lefevre is an idiot, a fact he’s proven time and again (take his defence of Iljo Keisse last year as an example). I completely understand that he’ll be emotional in the immediate aftermath of Jakobsen’s crash but a man with his experience and his position ought to be better able to control himself. I imagine Groenewegen feels terrible about the outcome of his line-change but demanding he go to jail is just stupid.

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    • Boss Hogg
      August 6, 2020 at 5:42 pm
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      Is this all you have to say

      Is this all you have to say about it? Blaiming everybody else except for the person who actually caused the accident because of his criminal behaviour.

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      • AlsoSomniloquism
        August 6, 2020 at 8:29 pm
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        I replied previously but some

        I replied previously but some footballers have been arrested and charged for GBH when they have elbowed another player. Granted it is rare but this was as deliberate a cheating as an elbow in football and was designed to look “accidental” when he knew it could cause serious injury. Granted even he probably did not realise the extent but that is no excuse. As a pro cyclist he would know what could have happened that close to the barriers. 

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  7. eburtthebike
    August 7, 2020 at 7:06 am
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    The Jeremy Vine clip is both

    The Jeremy Vine clip is both hysterical and deeply worrying, and there are a lot of people who think like that woman; utterly obsessed with everything being the fault of the cyclist and totally unable to see the problems of her own behaviour.  How do we change their views, and make no mistake, we need to.

    These are the kind of people who oppose any provision for cyclists and shout very loudly, and never mind that their logic and arguments are spurious, they do have an effect.

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    • giff77
      August 7, 2020 at 3:27 pm
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      I watched it and it was

      I watched it and it was predictable and disturbing. A bit like watching a car crash. As soon as the panalists and commentators opened their mouths you knew exactly how poorly thought through their rants were. And that’s all they were. Rants. And none were prepared to listen to objective comments based on real information rather than hysteria.

      One classic was ‘they go over zebra crossing’. Of course we do. They’re road markings. We all have to go over them!  

      It is now getting to a stage where I see a cycling thread online or segment  on tv I now just sigh resignedly as I know how pointless it will be countering the rants because I will be met with ‘yes, but’ and a stubborn refusal to listen!

      ive suggested to Jeremy that he get Chris B and Carlton Reid on the panel and hopefully something positive out of it all may come about. 

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leedorney 2 minutes ago

Having experienced this in Anglesey and most of it is unnecessary, it does give the driver a big lesson in 'looking extra', as travelling slower does that !

in: Serious cyclist injuries down 50% and overall road casualties continue to fall since 20mph limit introduced in Wales
leedorney 5 minutes ago

It's true, you aren't feeling yourself any favours wearing black/dark colours, BUT you've got to look, soo many dont and the campaign should be for motorist - look, simple as, it's not hard and drop the speed to, maybe if the police where actually outside rather than on Facebook looking for the naughty words/viewpoints, drivers would be caught speeding, not looking, pulling out, not braking in time, going through red lights, overtaking at a bad time, cutting up cyclists and a lot more..

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wtjs 5 minutes ago

@Rome73 There are still too many motor vehicles in the central Oxford Street area. There should be zero, except for delivery vehicles at proscribed... prescribed times

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Rendel Harris 11 minutes ago

@Hollis Jones The crucial difference is the fact that Richardson stopped, exited the vehicle, tried to pull Mr Mullins free and when he couldn't got back in and drove on. He knowingly, actively and voluntarily engaged in the harmful behaviour that caused Mr Mullins' death, which is what made it murder. The hit and run driver hasn't deliberately hit a cyclist and although driving away is of course utterly reprehensible it's only covered by the laws regarding failing to stop at the scene of an accident, which only attracts a six month prison sentence maximum. It's high time the law was changed so that firstly the penalties for failing to stop and render assistance are far higher and secondly so that if the medical evidence is that the victim would have survived with prompt assistance then the driver can be charged with manslaughter or murder. However as it stands murder requires evidence of malice aforethought with an intention to kill or to cause GBH resulting in death. Richardson clearly displayed this by resuming driving even though he knew Mr Mullins was stuck under his car; the hit and run driver in an "accident" didn't have that intention so can't be charged with murder however atrocious their behaviour after the event.

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matthewn5 14 minutes ago

@robgru76 "I am gobsmacked by the number of cyclists I see" So you had no problem in seeing them, what's the issue?

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Rendel Harris 32 minutes ago

@jaymack I know, sorry! I do accept they deserve some credit for not trying to pass it of as a DBDD but the evidence is so clear it would have been s scandal even by British justice vs cyclists standards if they'd gone for anything below manslaughter.

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chrisonabike 35 minutes ago

@Rendel Harris yeah but it could have been spent on widening a few metres of road...

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Rome73 39 minutes ago

I have worked and socialised around Oxford street for decades. There has been major change in that time - as you would expect in a major metropolis. When I was young you could drive down the whole of Oxford St. When that was stopped everyone screamed the world was going to come to an end. Then it was narrowed in parts to a single lane, the pavements widened and New Oxford Street and Charing Cross road were closed to cars. Everyone screamed the world was going to come to an end. Then Tottenham Court Road was made two way!! And yes, you guessed it, the world was going to come to an end. Then cycle lanes were built all along Gower Street down to Shaftesbury Avenue and the taxi drivers went mental with rage, and the world was going to come to an end. Soho, where I worked for over 10 years, was slowly purged of through vehicles and every time a road was closed or made one way - the world was going to come to an end. But the pedestrian and cyclists increased and so did retail and bars. Thinking back to it, it’s crazy to remember how soho was once clogged with cars, all stuck in self imposed traffic, belching fumes and poison into the narrow streets - until ULEZ and road closures reduced all that. There are still too many motor vehicles in the central Oxford Street area. There should be zero, except for delivery vehicles at proscribed times.

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Rendel Harris 43 minutes ago

@slc Just read that comment to Mrs H, worryingly she looked thoughtful and said, "Mmm...how nice a bike are we talking here?"

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@DrG82 The implementation costs were £32M and there has been an additional £3M spent on adjustments. It's estimated that the savings to the NHS and other bodies in terms of fewer casualties with which to deal come to around £44M. Odd economics where a £9M net saving is a waste of money.

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