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Fans on Alpe d’Huez during the Tour de France
Fans on Alpe d'Huez during the Tour de France (Image Credit: Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

“Against the soul of the sport”: Cycling fans disgusted by former rider’s idea to “privatise” Alpe d’Huez at the Tour de France to force fans to pay to watch at the roadside; “Yes, you can wash your bike too much” + more on the live blog

Dan Alexander is back in the live blog hotseat for another day rounding up all the news you need to know (and plenty you don’t) from the world of cycling this Thursday
  • by Dan Alexander
Thu, Nov 06, 2025 09:06
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SUMMARY

  • "I can't believe I’m saying this… but yes, you can wash your bike too much"
  • London council urges food delivery companies to do more to educate riders about e-bike laws and dangerous illegal modifications
  • Should some parts of the Tour de France route be "privatised"? You have your say
  • If it ain't on Strava...
  • Meanwhile in Nottingham... police "clampdown" on illegal e-bikes
  • Major landslide takes out Carmarthenshire cycle path
  • A money-no-object Christmas gift for that cycling pal who's just a little bit too obsessed with their bike
  • Cycling apparel pioneer Gore to close Gorewear clothing division after 40 years
  • Have you ever seen a cycling route like this designed in the UK?
  • Mathieu van der Poel shows off his skills
  • Egan Bernal's yellow Tour de France-winning bike reportedly stolen in Colombia
  • "Against the soul of the sport": Cycling fans disgusted by former rider's idea to "privatise" Alpe d'Huez at the Tour de France to force fans to pay to watch at the roadside
Fans on Alpe d’Huez during the Tour de France
Fans on Alpe d'Huez during the Tour de France (Image Credit: Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
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6 November 2025, 09:06

"I can't believe I’m saying this… but yes, you can wash your bike too much"

 
 
 
 
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Too much time spent in their rain cave, I reckon…

6 November 2025, 09:06

London council urges food delivery companies to do more to educate riders about e-bike laws and dangerous illegal modifications

Deliveroo riders’ illegally modified e-bikes
Deliveroo riders’ illegally modified e-bikes (Image Credit: All-Party Parliamentary Group for Cycling and Walking)
Deliveroo riders’ illegally modified e-bikes
Deliveroo riders’ illegally modified e-bikes (Image Credit: All-Party Parliamentary Group for Cycling and Walking)

Newham Council is calling on Mayor of London Sadiq Khan to implement a “food delivery charter” to force companies like Deliveroo, JustEat and Uber Eats to better educate their couriers on the law around e-bikes and illegally modified vehicles.

The context is concerns from the local authority and the London Fire Brigade about fires involving lithium batteries, but food delivery companies have also faced questions from those worried about the safety implications for cyclists and pedestrians of couriers riding illegal electric motorbikes or illegally modified bikes in cycle lanes and shared-use areas.

Deliveroo rider’s illegally modified e-bike
Deliveroo rider’s illegally modified e-bike (Image Credit: All-Party Parliamentary Group for Cycling and Walking)
Deliveroo rider’s illegally modified e-bike
Deliveroo rider’s illegally modified e-bike (Image Credit: All-Party Parliamentary Group for Cycling and Walking)

 The BBC reports Newham Council wants a charter that would require Uber Eats, Deliveroo and Just Eat to properly educate couriers and provide guidance on which bikes and modifications are legal and roadworthy.

Newham Council said the borough had “a high concentration of food-delivery riders”, with a growing number using illegally modified e-bikes or dangerous counterfeit chargers that pose a fire risk.

> Dangerous “fake” e-bikes undermining UK’s cycling efforts and putting industry at risk, say MPs calling for clampdown

“These fires are extremely dangerous and people need to be warned of the dangers. The trouble is that these illegal batteries are often a fraction of the price of legal ones,” Labour councillor Amar Virdee said.

Figures from across the bike industry have warned about the dangers of unregulated, dangerous lithium batteries. Last year, Brompton boss Will Butler-Adams warned that public perception is already sceptical of e-bikes due to “too many examples of e-bikes, e-scooters and light electric vehicles hurting people” and that this could “all snowball into a world of fear” which could “affect the whole momentum of light electric vehicle transport”.

> Brompton boss urges crackdown on “poor quality” e-bike batteries before public perception “snowballs into a world of fear”

“We’ve got poor quality stuff coming into the UK and if we’re not careful, that will affect the whole momentum of light electric vehicle transport, which would be an absolute chronic shame,” he said.

Deliveroo rider’s illegally modified e-bike
Deliveroo rider’s illegally modified e-bike (Image Credit: All-Party Parliamentary Group for Cycling and Walking)
Deliveroo rider’s illegally modified e-bike
Deliveroo rider’s illegally modified e-bike (Image Credit: All-Party Parliamentary Group for Cycling and Walking)

Uber Eats, Deliveroo and Just Eat told the BBC they require their riders to use roadworthy and legal vehicles, and would “welcome” the chance to work more closely with London’s fire and transport authorities.

6 November 2025, 09:06

Should some parts of the Tour de France route be "privatised"? You have your say

Tour de France on Alpe d'Huez
Tour de France on Alpe d'Huez (Image Credit: SWpix.com)
Tour de France on Alpe d'Huez
Tour de France on Alpe d'Huez (Image Credit: SWpix.com)

Panda: “Having the ‘best’ sections of road ticketed with proceeds going equally to the teams seems fair to me as long as the tickets are available to all in a fair ballot process at a reasonable cost and the atmosphere is retained.  The rest of the route is still free.

“If the model was one spectator per two metres of road applauding politely having each paid hundred of euros for the privilege (and most of the tickets going to corporate hospitality brokers) then that would be rubbish.”

Daddy Feebs: “Yeah, I get it — teams need money. So let them do what bands do, when on the road. Let them augment their fees, with merch sales, direct to the fans. With co-ordinated D2C, with meet and greets, with proper VIP events, access to riders. If you let people in, they’ll pay for that access, but it has to be done properly.”

SecretSam: “I can actually see Pineau’s point, and locations like Alpe d’Huez lend themselves to a ticket model. However…it’s a public road, so I’m not sure how that works. Personally, I’d prefer to be on one of the bends, Huez ski village is horrible.”

VanDerPollo: “Cycling without the people with free access will be its death.”

thisisthatian: “Disgusting. You’ve already said it. A public road, monetised. Cycling sadly is facing the same fate as many other sports, pay walls, which will only damage the sport.”

‪Filiberreke‬: “If it can be done and works in Tour of Flanders, why not on Alpe d’Huez…”

‪Het is koers: “No brainer. Although it’s the soul, scenes are becoming more and more out of hand. Plus it’s a way for destinations to generate income and also to know who’s actually attending. For many reasons a way forward…”

Feargal McKay: “1) It’s not against the soul of the sport. ASO, Flanders Classics, World Championships, other race organisers, already charge fans to watch parts of their races. 2) This has always been part of cycling’s financing model. 3) Do the math. The revenue earned is small. Spread over 20+ teams it’s tiny.”

ckshowalter: “I could see privatising for safety reasons. That stretch of road is getting scary insane. But it feels like it would be better to have a lottery draw system in that case.”

6 November 2025, 09:06

If it ain't on Strava...

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6 November 2025, 09:06

Meanwhile in Nottingham... police "clampdown" on illegal e-bikes

On the same day we brought you Newham Council’s bid for stricter action from food couriers regarding illegal use of electric mopeds and illegally modified e-bikes, Nottinghamshire Police reports it seized “numerous” illegal bikes in Nottingham during a “day of action”.

Seven bikes were seized in total, numerous officers (in one picture shared by the force there’s at least one officer for every bike seized in the whole day) sent to the city centre to stop and check riders’ bikes, seizing any that do not meet EAPC requirements of not exceeding 250w or the motor continuing to propel riders at speeds in excess of 15.5mph.

Nottinghamshire Police illegal e-bike operation
Nottinghamshire Police illegal e-bike operation (Image Credit: Nottinghamshire Police)
Nottinghamshire Police illegal e-bike operation
Nottinghamshire Police illegal e-bike operation (Image Credit: Nottinghamshire Police)

The force says the clampdown followed “concerns raised by members of the public”. 

Sergeant Dan Butler, of the City Centre neighbourhood policing team, said: “Throughout the afternoon, we received a lot of positive feedback from the public with many saying they welcomed us seizing the e-bikes. The community impact has been massive. People have had enough of these riders whipping around without any regard to people’s safety.

“The complaints have ranged from safety issues in relation to these bikes speeding around on pavements showing a disregard for the safety of pedestrians and other people around the city centre. We’ve also had numerous reports of these bikes failing to stop at red traffic lights and using areas where it’s not suitable to ride a bike.

“If I could pass one message on to people who are considering utilising illegal e-bikes and illegal e-scooters in the city, just to let you know if you are seen by the police and you are stopped by the police, we will be seizing your bike. It will be extremely difficult for you to get that bike back and rest assured you will be prosecuted for any offences which come to light.

“That’s because we are very determined to get on top of this problem in this city — and that’s as a result of what the public have asked us to do.”

6 November 2025, 09:06

Major landslide takes out Carmarthenshire cycle path

NCN 47 landslide
NCN 47 landslide (Image Credit: Walk Wheel Cycle Trust)
NCN 47 landslide
NCN 47 landslide (Image Credit: Walk Wheel Cycle Trust)

The Walk Wheel Cycle Trust, the charity formerly known as Sustrans, has reported a major landslide on the National Cycle Network Route 47, south of Tumble in Carmarthenshire.

Asking people to avoid the area and definitely not to approach the “extremely dangerous and unstable” site, the Walk Wheel Cycle Trust said its team is on-site and would close the affected area and route a diversion as soon as possible.

A spokesperson confirmed: “Our Walk Wheel Cycle Trust Estates Team are working to close the path and ensure route users are aware on the ground. We are working with local partners to secure the site and it will remain closed.”

6 November 2025, 09:06

A money-no-object Christmas gift for that cycling pal who's just a little bit too obsessed with their bike

Titanium Bike Stick
Titanium Bike Stick (Image Credit: Stinner)
Titanium Bike Stick
Titanium Bike Stick (Image Credit: Stinner)

Jo’s found a belter on Stinner Frameworks’ website, introducing the titanium photo stick, for adding a bit of extra class to your bike pics.

No more balancing with an actual stick or getting someone to let go at just the right moment, you can spend £62 on a titanium prop for your bike photo needs. It’s the 2.0, an upgrade on the original, something Stinner says is “one of its most requested products”.

It’s made from a 3D-printed yoke and has rubberised ends “for extra grip”. It apparently also breaks down to the size of a pencil for easy transport, the stick working by securing to your bike’s non-drive side bottom bracket.

Leave it in frame or Photoshop it out for perfect floating bike shots on your ride, Stinner suggests. 

6 November 2025, 09:06

6 November 2025, 09:06

Cycling apparel pioneer Gore to close Gorewear clothing division after 40 years

2025 Gorewear Spinshift Windbreaker Mens - logo.jpg
2025 Gorewear Spinshift Windbreaker Mens - logo (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
2025 Gorewear Spinshift Windbreaker Mens - logo.jpg
2025 Gorewear Spinshift Windbreaker Mens – logo (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Cycling apparel pioneer Gore to close Gorewear clothing division after 40 years

6 November 2025, 09:06

Have you ever seen a cycling route like this designed in the UK?

A38 cycle lane proposal
A38 cycle lane proposal (Image Credit: Birmingham City Council)
A38 cycle lane proposal
A38 cycle lane proposal (Image Credit: Birmingham City Council)

There probably have been cycle routes built like this in parts of the country but it’s certainly different to lanes built on the side of roads, squeezed in between traffic and pavements.

This is the 3.7-mile Longbridge to Selly Oak route that is expected to be approved by Birmingham City Council after 55 per cent of people backed the project at a public consultation. At Selly Oak it has been designed to join up with other cycling routes to the city centre, creating a “connected corridor”.

Of the expected £22.5m required, two thirds (£14.5m) is coming from central government, while £8m is coming from local sources, the BBC reporting that’ll be £4m of funding from the city’s Clean Air Zone and £4m from bus lane enforcement.

A38 cycle lane proposal
A38 cycle lane proposal (Image Credit: Birmingham City Council)
A38 cycle lane proposal
A38 cycle lane proposal (Image Credit: Birmingham City Council)

“Transforming the city’s transport is fundamental to meeting the challenges of the next decade and beyond,” the council has stated.

“Economic, population and housing growth will create additional demand for travel, which cannot be accommodated via ongoing car dependence.”

Better Streets for Birmingham has expressed support and said the plans are a “stark contrast” to the current layout which includes a shared-use pavement and “cyclists sometimes crammed into a corner of the lane”.

6 November 2025, 09:06

Mathieu van der Poel shows off his skills

 
 
 
 
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Don’t think I’d ever be able to get a travel insurance quote again if I tried this during a winter training camp…

6 November 2025, 09:06

Egan Bernal's yellow Tour de France-winning bike reportedly stolen in Colombia

egan bernal pinarello4
egan bernal pinarello4 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
egan bernal pinarello4
egan bernal pinarello4 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Egan Bernal’s yellow Tour de France-winning bike reportedly stolen in Colombia

6 November 2025, 09:06

"Against the soul of the sport": Cycling fans disgusted by former rider's idea to "privatise" Alpe d'Huez at the Tour de France to force fans to pay to watch at the roadside

Tour de France on Alpe d'Huez
Tour de France on Alpe d'Huez (Image Credit: SWpix.com)
Tour de France on Alpe d'Huez
Tour de France on Alpe d'Huez (Image Credit: SWpix.com)

The often outspoken former Giro d’Italia stage winner Jérôme Pineau — who blew up the Vuelta a couple of years ago when he claimed (without evidence) the team then known as Jumbo-Visma were motor doping — has found a new topic to stir the pot.

Accepting his stance “would shock people”, Pineau has made the case that Alpe d’Huez’s summit finish at next year’s Tour de France, one of the great roadside spectacles in the sport, should be “privatised” and ticketed for the final five kilometres.

Fans on Alpe d'Huez during the Tour de France
Fans on Alpe d'Huez during the Tour de France (Image Credit: Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
Fans on Alpe d'Huez during the Tour de France
Fans on Alpe d'Huez during the Tour de France (Image Credit: Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

His comments came on RMC’s cycling podcast, the Frenchman claiming cycling is “killing itself” and he expressed concern for the future of the sport. While few would disagree with his analysis that followed, the conclusion that Alpe d’Huez (and presumably other major climbs, roads and stages) should be ticketed for roadside fans has been deeply unpopular.

Pineau slammed the UCI and ASO (the organiser of the Tour and other races such as Paris-Nice, Paris-Roubaix, La Vuelta Femenina and Liège–Bastogne–Liège), accusing them of profiting financially out of the sport while riders and teams struggle to keep the lights on year after year.

Fans on Alpe d'Huez during the Tour de France
Fans on Alpe d'Huez during the Tour de France (Image Credit: Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
Fans on Alpe d'Huez during the Tour de France
Fans on Alpe d'Huez during the Tour de France (Image Credit: Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

“The people who run us think big because they’re lining their own pockets, as evidenced by these World Championships in Rwanda, which are simply a scandal for the finances of international cycling,” he began.

“I’m going to shock some people, but we’ve created a stage that will go up Alpe d’Huez twice [stage 20 only finishes at the summit and ascends the Col de Sarrene, not the iconic 21 bends]. Let’s privatise the last five kilometres of Alpe d’Huez, let’s charge admission, let’s have VIPs, let’s create something to make money. In the history of cycling, it’s popular, it’s a free sport. But a free sport where there are no more riders on the road because there are only two teams, Bahrain and UAE, is less fun, isn’t it?

Fans on Alpe d'Huez during the Tour de France
Fans on Alpe d'Huez during the Tour de France (Image Credit: Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
Fans on Alpe d'Huez during the Tour de France
Fans on Alpe d'Huez during the Tour de France (Image Credit: Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

“At the end of the Trouée d’Arenberg during Paris-Roubaix, there’s a VIP area. Who collects the money from the people who paid? It’s ASO. Spectators come to watch the race to see your riders, but your riders have zero on the revenue sheet. That’s what’s not right. Hospitality areas are organised at the Tour and other major races, but it’s the organiser who takes the money, not the people who put on the show.”

So… ticketed areas, more hospitality, more VIPs, but the money going to the teams rather than the suits’ back pockets? 

Pineau was joined on the podcast by legendary Groupama FDJ team boss Marc Madiot, who agreed a “better balance” was needed between stakeholders, especially financially, but disagreed ticketing roadside fans was the way to go.

“I’m in favour of free access; we’re the last major sport that’s free. It’s one of our strengths,” he said.

Tom Pidcock climbing Alpe d;Huez during Tour de France stage win
Tom Pidcock climbing Alpe d;Huez during Tour de France stage win (Image Credit: SWpix.com)
Tom Pidcock climbing Alpe d;Huez during Tour de France stage win
Tom Pidcock climbing Alpe d;Huez during Tour de France stage win (Image Credit: SWpix.com)

Speaking more generally about running a team in 2025, Madiot continued: “Apart from the emirs and state sponsors, it’s difficult to make a name for yourself in the peloton these days. The problem with cycling is that it used to be a popular sport, for workers and farmers, and it’s becoming a sport for the rich.”

As Pineau himself predicted, his idea has not been popular with fans of the sport, the thought of losing one of cycling’s greatest and most unique features, freely accessible roadside spectating, repulsive to many.

“This is against the soul of the sport. Cycling is the people’s sport. Asking tickets would be against that. You also need millions to have a WT squad nowadays, so you would have to ask huge prizes, otherwise teams would still depend 90+ % on their sponsor.”

Welsh fans on Alpe d'Huez during the Tour de France
Welsh fans on Alpe d'Huez during the Tour de France (Image Credit: SWpix.com/Zac Williams)
Welsh fans on Alpe d'Huez during the Tour de France
Welsh fans on Alpe d'Huez during the Tour de France (Image Credit: SWpix.com/Zac Williams)

“Roads are a public good paid for by our taxes; that must remain free. To charge for spots, there are velodromes, but a Tour de France of velodromes wouldn’t interest many people.”

“Basically this will kill cycling. The key of the sport is that it’s free to watch live”

There were some willing to consider it, the much-followed Mihai Simion account on Twitter writing: “You can shoot me but I’d support this business idea IF THE MONEY WILL GO TO THE TEAMS and not to ASO. Just like in Ronde van Vlaanderen, tickets should be sold for some special places (NEVER most of the route!). I’d agree with the last 5 or 3 km of Alpe d’Huez. The current business model is broken, just see how many teams are disappearing… But of course, pro cycling should remain mostly free to spectators so I’m definitely against fully closed circuits where you can’t enter without paying, that’s for sure.”

In reply, someone else added: “It’s a good idea as it would make cycling teams more profitable as right now it’s a big marketing cost for not much direct measurable profits. But it is a slippery slope, so only big finals where crowds are too big at the moment. It would also increase safety of cycling.”

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  1. kingleo
    November 6, 2025 at 9:40 am
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    Not having spectators paying

    Not having spectators paying to watch road cycling is why most professional cyclists aren’t paid very much. Also, it makes it hard to financially run a team; a lot of women are paid nothing.

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    • SecretSam
      November 6, 2025 at 10:04 am
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      Um, kind of, but mainly

      Um, kind of, but mainly cycling gets its money from sponsors. Who are interested in exposure ie people viewing. Fewer people (due to tickets or other reasons) -> less sponsorship. 

      The issue with cycling is it’s held on public roads. So mostly you can just rock up. The ‘road’ may be closed, but the surrounding bits are more challenging. However, it works for events like the New Year fireworks in London, so it’s do-able.

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      • kingleo
        November 6, 2025 at 1:11 pm
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        They can charge cars and

        They can charge cars and campervans to go into the mountains.

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        • SecretSam
          November 6, 2025 at 1:24 pm
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          Again, how will that work?

          They can charge cars and campervans to go into the mountains.

          — kingleo

          Again, how will that work? They’re public roads. 

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          • bikeman01
            November 6, 2025 at 3:05 pm
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            SecretSam wrote:

            They can charge cars and campervans to go into the mountains.

            — SecretSam

            Again, how will that work? They’re public roads. — kingleo

             

            The roads are closed during the race so charging for entry should be straight forward.

          • kingleo
            November 6, 2025 at 7:34 pm
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            Motorists have to pay to get

            Motorists have to pay to get into London.

          • stonojnr
            November 6, 2025 at 7:34 pm
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            Well how does it work at the
            Well how does it work at the finish line then ? you dont see a camper van parked on a finish line because its a ‘public road’, because the organisers have liased with the local authorities and said nope no public motor vehicles allowed to park here, infact they usually say you arent allowed within 5km of the finish with a vehicle, on a MTF the gendarmes will stop you proceeding further at least half way up the day before.

  2. SecretSam
    November 6, 2025 at 10:01 am
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    I can actually see Pineau’s

    I can actually see Pineau’s point, and locations like AdH lend themselves to a ticket model. However…it’s a public road, so I’m not sure how that works. 

    Personally, I’d prefer to be on one of the bends, Huez ski village is horrible.

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    • stonojnr
      November 6, 2025 at 7:30 pm
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      The reality at the TdF and
      The reality at the TdF and most cycling tour races, is the people you see at the finish line, or with the best view of the finish are rarely the ones there for free.

      Watch some of the footage from the social media influencers invited to the TdF, always by the finish line with the best view, they might not have paid, but their sponsors did.

      Even the Tour of Britain does it, couldnt get anywhere near the finish line at Southwold because the corporate guest part blocked off a whole chunk of space, and everyone there for free was squeezed into barely more than a pavements width of space.

      This is really Pineaus point, people already pay race organisers for better access to spectate from, to get that premium experience but they call it hospitality, and all the profit goes to the race organiser, not the teams.

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  3. Daddy Feebs
    November 6, 2025 at 10:44 am
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    Yeah, I get it – teams need

    Yeah, I get it – teams need money. So let them do what bands do, when on the road. Let them augment their fees, with merch sales, direct to the fans. With co-ordinated D2C, with meet and greets, with proper VIP events, access to riders. If you let people in, they’ll pay for that access, but it has to be done properly. 

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    • mdavidford
      November 6, 2025 at 10:54 am
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      Not sure that’s such a great

      Not sure that’s such a great model – most bands these days are losing money on touring.

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      • SecretSam
        November 6, 2025 at 1:21 pm
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        Because touring for bands is

        Because touring for bands is to promote sales. Unless you’re filling wembley, you’re probably not making money.

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        • mdavidford
          November 6, 2025 at 2:46 pm
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          Touring is mostly now ‘for

          Touring is mostly now ‘for the love of the art’ – for the majority of acts now it’s loss-making even taking into account any incremental sales increase that might result.

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        • MaxiMinimalist
          November 6, 2025 at 6:15 pm
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          Here you go – Tour of Britain
          Here you go – Tour of Britain 2026 at Wembley.

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      • panda
        November 6, 2025 at 4:44 pm
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        Not even just “these days”.

        Not even just “these days”.  I *think* I’m right in saying Rick Wright was the only musician to make any money on one of the Pink Floyd tours because Roger Waters sacked him from the band* but he was retained as a salaried keyboard player.  

        * who all had skin in the game and lost money

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      • Daddy Feebs
        November 6, 2025 at 6:15 pm
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        Agreed – and I know this

        Agreed – and I know this perhaps better than anyone. But, there would be one crucial difference, for bike teams – the tours they are on, are happening anyway. So, this is an extra way to add revenue . If you’re a band, projections of merch income or VIP packages can very easily decide whether a tour is viable, or not. For a World tour Bike team, they’re already going to the Vuelta. Any extra income from D2C just injects a little much-needed headroom into their profit projections

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    • panda
      November 6, 2025 at 4:47 pm
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      So … have a read of the

      So … have a read of the Vaughters memoirs.  Apparenly the Giro organiser turned up to a meeting of all the team principals and offered them a share of the revenues in return for behind-the-scenes access to the riders etc (think GdI Unchained) …. and the teams all found a reason not to take him up on it thus kicking themselves squarely in the nuts.

      That said, I think he also wanted some assurance that they’d send their best riders to the race and e.g. the French teams didn’t want to upset the TdF organisers which I can kinda understand.

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    • stonojnr
      November 6, 2025 at 7:22 pm
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      The teams still dont get
      The teams still dont get merch sales they’re literally stuck in the 90s with some of the rubbish they offer for sale

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  4. panda
    November 6, 2025 at 10:54 am
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    Jonathan Vaughters’ memoirs

    Jonathan Vaughters’ memoirs make interesting reading on the subject of the economics of the sport.  The teams don’t see any of the money going in other than from their own sponsors which means they’re never more than a couple of years away from folding if they can’t renew their sponsorship deal … and the teams don’t really have much of a value proposition so a) the riders aren’t rewarded properly and b) the pressure for results is ridiculous.  Oh, and it’s more or less impossible to create any enterprise value in a team.

    Having the “best” sections of road ticketed with proceeds going equally to the teams seems fair to me as long as the tickets are available to all in a fair ballot process at a reasonable cost and the atmosphere is retained.  The rest of the route is still free.

    If the model was one spectator per two metres of road applauding politely having each paid hundred of euros for the privilege (and most of the tickets going to corporate hospitality brokers) then that would be rubbish.  

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  5. sigirides
    November 6, 2025 at 11:00 am
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    Oh they think delivery riders

    Oh they think delivery riders are unaware they’re riding illegal bikes… bless.

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    • chrisonabike
      November 6, 2025 at 1:35 pm
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      sigirides wrote:

      Oh they think delivery riders are unaware they’re riding illegal bikes… bless.

      — sigirides

      Oh they act like they’re surprised that the firms who’ve lobbied and lawyered their way to their current status are unaware (or even concerned) that people might be working illegally for their tiny monies, or illegally using vehicles to do so… blast them.

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    • bensynnock
      November 6, 2025 at 7:40 pm
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      https://www.theguardian.com
      https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2025/sep/04/britains-e-bike-boom-desperation-delivery-drivers-and-unthinkable-danger

      Hasan certainly claimed to not know….

      ‘Hasan, 21, tells me he bought his bike new, on the internet, for £600. “I got it because I do, like, eight or nine hours a day, and if I’m only pedalling I’m going to get more tired. An e-bike makes it more comfortable.” Originally from Bangladesh, he has put a sticker showing a map of the country on the front mudguard.

      He assumed the bike was legal because there was nothing on the website he bought it from that said it wasn’t. “If it’s not, how do they sell it to people?” He says that if he’d known he was breaking the law, he wouldn’t have stopped when they pulled him over. The cycle response unit operates on pedal bikes. “I believe they wouldn’t catch me,” he says.’

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      • chrisonabike
        November 6, 2025 at 8:15 pm
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        When I was last in that
        Not that such folks are incentivised to care at all…

        But when I was last in that respectable high-street store where you can’t buy currys but there are a world of PCs (not that most delivery riders are likely shopping / hiring there) I saw this very very clear notice, obviously not just covering our backs … ?

        I doubt it’s made clearer most other places…

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        • mdavidford
          November 7, 2025 at 8:16 am
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          Amazing foresight to have

          Amazing foresight to have seen these products coming so far in advance that they were preparing by printing these posters in the 80s.

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  6. mdavidford
    November 6, 2025 at 12:30 pm
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    Quote:

    in one picture shared by the force there’s at least one officer for every bike seized in the whole day

    In fairness, it’s much harder to seize a second bike when your hands are full with the first one.

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  7. Barraob1
    November 6, 2025 at 12:42 pm
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    I’m not against the idea of
    I’m not against the idea of having some kind of registration to help control fan behaviour, paying for it for seems to be excessive.

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  8. chrisonabike
    November 6, 2025 at 1:32 pm
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    RE: “food delivery charter” –
    RE: “food delivery charter” – that’s hopeful! Legal distance from those working for them and deniability of responsibility is a key part of the business plan.

    Some places in Europe do seem to have managed to get some regulations in for these businesses, which works be a lot more likely to help.

    Unfortunately UK politicians have already enjoyed the benefits of the lobbying from these companies AND they’ve managed to get some legal wins also. So outside of the “but illegals!” focus of politics currently we may be stuck.

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  9. mitsky
    November 6, 2025 at 3:41 pm
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    Regarding the enforcement by

    Regarding the enforcement by Nottinghamshire Police…
    Is there going to be any pushback on their incorrect language when talking about “illegal e-bikes” when they should be referring to them as “illegal/unregistered e-motorbikes”?

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  10. leedorney
    November 6, 2025 at 4:26 pm
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    There’re better ways to
    There’re better ways to Monetise this sport than paying to ‘stand on a roadside…

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    • MaxiMinimalist
      November 6, 2025 at 6:09 pm
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      Are you going to share with
      Are you going to share with the readership some of these better ways? Thanks.

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  11. MaxiMinimalist
    November 6, 2025 at 6:10 pm
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    Seven bikes were seized in
    Seven bikes were seized in total, wow, what an achievement! At what cost?

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  12. MaxiMinimalist
    November 6, 2025 at 6:28 pm
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    The minimun salary for
    The minimun salary for employed female riders is 38,000 euros per year. 62 grand for self-employed riders. Not much indded for a 24/7 job that doesn’t last more than 10 or 12 years (this remark doesn’t include Marianne Vos).

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  13. darnac
    November 6, 2025 at 7:37 pm
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    Pineau’s idea isn’t
    Pineau’s idea isn’t completely ridiculous but in thé end cycling IS a people’s sport in thé way football no longer really is so…no charges

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  14. HoarseMann
    November 6, 2025 at 9:18 pm
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    If you work out the cost per

    If you work out the cost per minute of action as the peloton whizzes past, compared to 90 minutes of action at a football match / tennis match / F1 race etc. then even a low cost of entry to stand at the side of the road would probably seem poor value for spectating a road race.

    They could introduce parking charges though for those who wish to park their car/campervan etc. on the route!

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  15. GravelIsNothingNew
    November 6, 2025 at 10:15 pm
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    Greenwashing, Climate Change

    Forget the piffling idea of charging fans on top of mountains…

    Greenwashing, Climate Change and wilful denial will kill the road cycling world tour unless massive changes to sponsorship rules, funding models, travel protocols, etc are made.

    …The fans won’t stand on the roadside all day anymore – the most special part of cycling traversing the greatest ‘grandstand’ in world sport – when it’s 45 degrees, whether they pay or not. 

    The scary thing is that in the interim, the coolest place to be will be on the top of the mountains and if that’s reserved for the rich the unique nature of grand tours for the fans is all over. …not to mention, the athletes might not even get up there in the heat!

    The UCI needs to instigate an environmentally responsible universal baseline funding model for teams – and a salary cap. This will reduce the need for exponentially larger sponsorships, and foster opportunities for pro-environment sponsors, safeguarding the future of the sport.

     

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  16. Rome73
    November 7, 2025 at 7:38 am
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    On the subject of illegal e –

    On the subject of illegal e – motorcycles/bikes; Recently I was riding on a shared path when I was passed by a couple of yoofs doing about a zillion kph on ‘ebikes’. They were not pedalling. Further on I caught up with them as they had stopped to chat. I also stopped and asked them about their ‘ebikes’.  They were very nice yoofs and told me all about how to do the modification and which websites sold the kits. They showed me how they strapped the huge batteries onto the down tube. ‘Do you wanna do it to yours bro?’ They asked. I did mention that it was illegal to modify a bike that way. They looked very surprised and non plussed at this. And I reckon most of the delivery drivers don’t know the rules either. Perhaps the authorities should start fining McDonalds, Deliveroo, Uber etc – the companies that exploit this ignorance rather than the riders. You can bet that if they were fined they would soon pass on the information to their riders. Deep down, the problem is the gig economy. When u work in the gig economy, when u are treated like sh*t you don’t give a sh*t. 

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    • chrisonabike
      November 7, 2025 at 7:57 am
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      Rome73 wrote:

      And I reckon most of the delivery drivers don’t know the rules either. Perhaps the authorities should start fining McDonalds, Deliveroo, Uber etc – the companies that exploit this ignorance rather than the riders.

      — Rome73

      I think it’s more like your later assertion of “don’t care”. But with a complete lack of interest in regulation the governments have also ensured that eg. sellers don’t feel it’s vital to bring this to your attention (including high street stores) and nobody else does either.

      I think you’re quite right in tacking this at the firm level but alas! They got there first with their lawyers (and lobbying….) – So “these are just contractors” and good luck with that…

      I think it is *possible* to tackle this. It has been done in some ways in other countries. But it may not be easy now and there’s zero political interest AFAICS.

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      • Andrewbanshee
        November 7, 2025 at 9:25 am
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        Agree. When you can buy
        Agree. When you can buy illegal bikes very easily and the seller feigns ignorance and saying they expect the buyer were going to use it only on private land, this should be stopped.

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        • chrisonabike
          November 7, 2025 at 9:51 am
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          OTOH as HP has noted
          OTOH as HP has noted previously this is a little tricky as the item in question is not itself banned or indeed illegal to possess by anyone – it’s just certain usage which is effectively illegal *. Thus the sellers can say “legal sale – how can I police use? ”

          I think it may be possible to do more (eg. there are other articles that can be legally owned but are restricted) but it may be fiddly. And until this *really* causes the scale of issues that some media scaremonger is the case now I can’t see any political will to try.

          * In theory you could get the thing type-claasified, presumably as a moped, then jump through all the hoops for legal usage for that eg. licence, tax, insurance, approved helmet and put it through MOTs … but we know in reality at most a handful of people will ever do that.

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  17. Andrewbanshee
    November 7, 2025 at 9:21 am
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    Well there is this cycle path
    Well there is this cycle path that cuts through a very busy roundabout on the A6 in Loughborough.

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Wizard Works Snagla Hip-Pack and Bar Bag
Wizard Works Snagla Hip-Pack and Bar Bag
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Avinox’s MG Concept brings CVT-style gears to an e-MTB motor
Avinox’s MG Concept brings CVT-style gears to an e-MTB motor
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Avinox’s MG Concept brings CVT-style gears to an e-MTB motor
Avinox’s MG Concept brings CVT-style gears to an e-MTB motor
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Avinox-powered Nukeproof Kilowatt launches in time for Eurobike… and prices start at just £3,999
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Megamo’s RYAL e-MTB is set to bring Avinox motors to a friendlier price point with models starting at £3,999
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The “world’s first AI solar e-bike” is coming to Kickstarter, with double-disc wheels featuring integrated solar panels for extra range
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Bosch unveils its first hub motor, semi-pro wins Voi Bike Challenge at Nocturne crit race, Florida sets close pass law + more
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Merida Lithos 8000 e-MTB
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Latest Comments

Smoggysteve 5 minutes ago

@mdavidford I can see how it confused you when I pointed to the reviewer at the bottom. but hey if you cant read an entire comment before getting all keyboard warrior blah, kind of like you usually do that not my fault. I should have guessed the first person to reply to a comment would be you, you cant help yourself.

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Surreyrider 10 minutes ago

@chrisonabike It never ceases to amaze me how drivers consider public land to be their private parking spaces.

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mdavidford 40 minutes ago

Erm - it has - as per the item above: (Technically, a 'budget cap' and a 'team salary cap' aren't quite the same thing, but given how much of the costs are paying riders, it would have a similar effect.)

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adamrice 46 minutes ago

A lot of pro sports leagues have team salary caps. Curious that hasn't been mooted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salary_cap

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mdavidford 49 minutes ago

Well your original comment did rather suggest that was your understanding. The bit 'critiquing' the pros and cons was sandwiched in the middle of railing against the makers. And the amount of ill-thought-out tripe that gets posted under some of these reviews, it wouldn't surprise me at all if someone thought the manufacturer provided the pros and cons.

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darnac 52 minutes ago

JB may not bé Mr Nice but in this case he's 100% right. I thought when Lappartient was elected he knew sod all about pro cycling and his real ambitions were related to running thé Olympics.

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Smoggysteve 58 minutes ago

@mdavidford Well duh, is a manufacturer going to put negative comments on their own products? did you really just try to explain that?

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lesterama 1 hour ago

Surely Fred Wright's going to win a race in his career that isn't the national champs. He's been close so many times now.

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lesterama 1 hour ago

Awful human slags off Machiavellian politician -shock horror.

in: Lance Armstrong’s old boss tells UCI president to “stick to selfies and dubious deals” after call for smaller Tour de France teams to stop Pogačar; “Canyon to Brompton in one step”: Bike delivery nightmare; Awful Italian bike lanes + more on the live blog
mdavidford 1 hour ago

The pros and cons come from the reviewer, not the manufacturer. And they do explain in the review why they think the lack of MIPS could be viewed as either/both a positive or a negative. Less so with the shape, but it's easy to see how that could be considered a good or a bad thing, depending on whether it suits your head shape. If anything, it's a deficiency of the review template - that it doesn't have a section for something like 'other considerations' that aren't pros or cons.

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