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Lance Armstrong snaps back at poll asking cycling fans if he should have wins reinstated; Bilbao wins stage three of Tour Down Under, Jay Vine takes race lead; Irish minister to get cycling bodyguard + more on the live blog

The weekend is in sight! Dan Alexander is on live blog duty for the final one of the week
20 January 2023, 08:50
Lance Armstrong snaps back at poll asking cycling fans if he should have victories reinstated

Yesterday was the 10-year anniversary of Lance Armstrong's confession — what did you do to mark the occasion? Take your cycling buddies out for a fancy meal? Ride to the spot where you first heard the news? Slice up an Oprah cake? Or go about your day blissfully unaware until someone in the cycling media inevitably mentioned he who cannot be named...

Lance Armstrong and Oprah Winfrey Photo by Maryse Alberti, Courtesy of Sony Pictures Classics

Reporting anything Armstrong does these days is normally met with the same barrage of 'who cares?', 'stop giving this guy air time' etc. etc. but if I have three Lance tokens a year (to mention what one of the most famous cyclists ever is doing with his life) I'm using one of them up on today's live blog.

Procyclingstats put out a Twitter poll asking whether Armstrong should have his wins reinstated. Perhaps unsurprisingly the results were fairly clear — 69 per cent said no — but more importantly the call to the people landed a big fish...

Baited by what he'd seen, Procyclingstats reeled in the big one...

You can say what you want about Lance, but asking every single professional cyclist he ever raced against is commitment to democracy personified. All in four hours after the poll was posted too... 

20 January 2023, 16:42
Pothole pain — a road.cc reader's tale

A road.cc reader has been in touch with their experience of the danger poor road surfaces can cause road users, in this case cyclists...

On January 2nd, while cycling home from the City to Twickenham, I encountered a pothole on Upper Richmond Road and attempted to avoid it. However, I ended up flying over the handlebars and landing on my head, causing severe pain and screaming.

I feared that something serious had occurred, such as a skull injury, and screamed for help. Passersby came to assist me and a doctor happened to be present and began to assess my condition. I attempted to sit up but my left arm was immobile and I realised it was injured. I was unable to determine the extent of my other injuries.

Someone called for an ambulance, however, due to the backlog it was estimated that it would take two to three hours for the ambulance to arrive. The doctor checked my spine and neck and determined that they were not injured, but the pain in my upper body was severe and I was unable to identify the source of the pain. He advised that due to the wet and cold conditions and the long wait for an ambulance, it would be best for me to try to get off the road. However, I was physically unable to move and scared about my condition, unsure of what to do next.

After about 15 minutes, I attempted to stand up with the help of others, but the pain was so intense that I was screaming. I still didn't know what was wrong with me. Across the road, there was a bike shop, and I was carried over there to warm up. I was in shock and couldn't believe what had happened.

The next day, we found out that the pothole had already been reported and filled. We were unsure of how the council had been informed but I remember one of the passersby saying that they had reported it a week earlier and couldn't believe it hadn't been fixed yet. It is possible that one of the passersby contacted them after my accident and reported an injury caused by the pothole, leading to it being fixed quickly.

I was given some strong painkillers and water. My wife was contacted and she decided to come and collect me instead of waiting for the ambulance to take me to the hospital. She arrived in 20 minutes and took me back home at 7:30.

My experience at the A&E department was extremely difficult. I had to wait for over 5 hours without receiving any attention from medical staff, which caused my wife and family to leave. I was in a wheelchair and had to navigate my way around the department while not knowing the extent of my injury.

During the night, I underwent several scans, during which I nearly passed out due to the severe pain. Unfortunately, there was no pain relief provided by the NHS and I was told that if I did not undergo the scans, my injury would not be treated properly. Despite feeling faint from the pain, I pushed through and eventually received a scan, after which a cast was put on my arm.

I was recently assessed and it was discovered that I had suffered multiple injuries, including broken ribs on my left side, a fracture in my elbow and damage to my neck. To ensure that my internal organs were not damaged, a CT scan was performed. The uncertainty of not knowing the extent of my injuries made the experience quite challenging

When the cast was put on my arm, I did not experience much pain relief. The medical staff did not inform me that they were going to attempt to reposition my bone. This caused me to experience the most excruciating pain of my life. After the cast was finally put on, about an hour later, I had to go back for another scan. The pain was so severe that I passed out during the procedure. It was a very difficult and traumatic experience.

I was later informed that my bone would never heal properly. To fix this, I had to undergo surgery on the weekend. After the surgery, I thought the worst was over, but soon after the doctors came back in and informed me that the cast had been applied incorrectly, so I had to go through another round of scans and have a new cast put on. This caused me to experience the same level of pain again and it was a very difficult and frustrating experience. I couldn't believe that I was going through this again and I was disappointed that I was not provided with adequate pain relief during my entire time in the hospital.

After the initial diagnosis, I had to wait several days before I could get the surgery on the weekend. Again, I was not provided with much pain relief, and the morphine that was given to me was not sufficient. My entire experience with the NHS was terrible, from the long wait times, to the lack of pain management. Even though I am now on the road to recovery, the whole experience has left me feeling scared and unsure about getting back on my bike. I hope that the situation in the NHS can improve soon, so that others don't have to go through a similar experience.

road.cc contacted the NHS Foundation Trust which runs the hospital the reader was treated at but has not received a reply.

The last thing we want this blog post to be is an attack on the hard work of healthcare professionals, especially during such difficult times, but it is hard to ignore the fact our reader's account makes for a worrying read.

Have you been treated in hospital for cycling-related injuries this winter? What was your experience?

20 January 2023, 16:12
Banned hit-and-run driver who killed cyclist then torched car jailed + a new petition
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> Banned hit-and-run driver who killed cyclist then torched car jailed

As Simon explains at the end of the story...

The sentencing coincides with ITV News highlighting a petition calling for lifetime bans for those convicted of causing death by dangerous driving – although, of course, in this case he was driving the vehicle despite already being disqualified.

The petition, hosted on the UK Parliament's website, was started by Angela Burke, whose 14-year-old daughter Courtney Ellis was killed in 2020 by speeding driver Brandon Turton.

The 21-year-old driver was subsequently jailed for six years and nine months after pleading guilty to causing death by dangerous driving, and banned from driving for seven years.

In the petition, Ms Bourke wrote:

I would like to change the law on 'if you are convicted for causing death by dangerous driving then a lifetime driving ban should be imposed', they should never be allowed to drive again.

My child was killed by a speeding driver, who was convicted of causing death by dangerous driving. My child suffered horrific instant death injuries, the driver was driving at speeds of 73-93mph when he hit her on a 30mph road, he was sentenced to 9 years minus 25 per cent reduction for going guilty also given a 7 year driving ban to start immediately, when he’s released he will have 4 years ban left. Driving is a luxury and it should be taken away if convicted of this crime. I've lost my child forever.

At the time of writing the petition, which remains open until 4 April, has attracted more than 5,200 signatures.

Should it reach 10,000 signatures, the government will be required to provide a response, and in the event it gathers 100,000 signatures, the issue will be considered for a House of Commons debate by the Backbench Business Committee.

20 January 2023, 14:41
So what did happen 10 years ago? Let's take a trip down memory lan(c)e

As we're 'celebrating' the tenth anniversary this week...

As ever road.cc Simon was on news duty, ready to catch all the action from Oprah's bombshell interview with Armstrong.

Lance Armstrong and Oprah Winfrey Photo by Maryse Alberti, Courtesy of Sony Pictures Classics

Such big news, in fact, it was split into two stories...

> Oprah interview Part 1: Lance Armstrong admits doping, but leaves many questions unanswered + reaction

"Did you ever take banned substances to enhance cycling performance?”" "Yes." Thus replied Lance Armstrong to the very first question put by Oprah Winfrey in part one of her interview with him that aired at 9pm Eastern Time in the United States yesterday evening. Admissions to using EPO, cortisone, testosterone and having illegal blood transfusions swiftly followed as he admitted he had doped his way to all seven of his Tour de France victories from 1999 to 2005. However, he strongly denied doping following his comeback in 2009.

From the outset, it was clear that Winfrey would not be giving Armstrong an easy ride. Her research had been meticulous, the questions were uncompromising, and each was preceded by a short montage that set the scene.

> Oprah interview Part 2: Lance Armstrong accepts little prospect of lifetime ban being lifted

Also on that day...

  • Heavy snowfall covered the United Kingdom, cancelling 395 flights at Heathrow.
  • News broadcasts included grim reports from the Syrian civil war.
  • A certain Mauricio Pochettino was appointed as Southampton's new manager.
  • Cardinal Antonios Naguib resigns as Patriarch of Alexandria and head of the Coptic Catholic Church.
  • NASA scientists beam a picture of Leonardo da Vinci's masterpiece, the Mona Lisa, to Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, a spacecraft orbiting the Moon
  • Scream & Shout by will.i.am featuring Britney Spears was number one in the UK charts.

Wikipedia's good, isn't it...

20 January 2023, 12:47
Professional KOM hunting
20 January 2023, 12:05
But what do the fans think?

Lance might think he's got the support of the peloton and what supporters think is irrelevant, but we've got more than few of your thoughts on his latest comments...(for those of you who aren't feeling like Tom D)...

 

Andrew Mee in a rather lively Facebook comments section wrote: "I'll tell you one thing, you can't deny this guys determination and dedication to getting whatever the hell he wanted… Reminds me of other narcissists through history."

Garry Templeman: "Others were doping isn't an excuse. He'll probably be known as the biggest sports cheat in history, he will never get any of his titles back, not a chance. The fact he can't give up chasing this dream says it all about him."

 William Speed touched on a point made by many, that all the 'other stuff' beyond the doping riles many fans more than the actual doping...

The comments on social media roughly followed the pattern of Procyclingstats' poll, with some support for Armstrong (although mainly on Facebook, admittedly... make of that what you will)...

ShutTheFrontDawes had one of the more convincing tales (although did say they believe his punishment was fair) pointing to the inspiration the story (doped or not) brought many... "Everyone is probably going to hate me for saying this but... in my opinion Lance Armstrong is one of the most inspirational sportspersons in my memory. To do what he did despite his afflictions is, to me, amazing. Yes he doped — and I always suspected he did — but like everyone says, so did so many others. And he beat them all, despite his advanced and aggressive cancers.

"He inspired me to apply myself despite my own health conditions, and I was honoured to represent my university in rowing at BUCS championship level, despite having very active Crohn's disease.

"I think that the way he has been punished is fair and think that it is such a shame that he and so many athletes were able to dope to such an extent and for so long."

Anyway, get involved in the comments if you wish. We'll leave the reaction with this classic...

20 January 2023, 10:15
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Live blog comment 20/01/2023

Me or Lance?

20 January 2023, 10:46
Irish minister to get cycling bodyguard

After the Gardaí announced that all cabinet ministers are to receive protection officers, often seen in ministerial cars, Green Party leader Eamon Ryan has decided his should be a biking bodyguard.

The Irish Independent reports that Mr Ryan primarily cycles to his duties, with his new bodyguard to join him in riding around Dublin.

"There was a decision made by An Garda Síochána that we [cabinet ministers] will have protection officers," the politician explained.

"I suppose they will have to be flexible in my case because I will still be cycling. But that's something I have to work on with An Garda Síochána, to make sure it works for them as well as for me.

"I haven't seen as many of [Garda cycling units] as I used to, but yes, I'll be working with the guards to make sure it (cycling bodyguard support) works for them in whatever way, as well as for me."

20 January 2023, 09:34
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20 January 2023, 09:21
Bilbao wins stage three of Tour Down Under, Jay Vine takes race lead

Jay Vine, Simon Yates and Pello Bilbao escaped the peloton on the third stage of Tour Down Under as the race crossed the brutal slopes of the Corkscrew on the now-familiar route to Campbelltown. Vine was happy to press on for GC time, leading out the wiry climbers behind in a repeat of stage 12 at the 2019 Tour de France when Yates pipped Bilbao for the first of two stage wins.

However, it was Bilbao who just about held on this morning, climbing to second on GC with his bonus seconds. Yates sits third, one second behind Bilbao who himself is 15 off Vine ahead of the final two stages this weekend.

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Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too.

Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he's not working you'll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he'll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he's a bit strange like that.

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Hirsute | 1 year ago
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Another 2 poor souls killed in a hit and run.
Says police eventually arrested someone.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-64360894

When's that government review coming ?

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Hirsute | 1 year ago
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Local rag has a story on an out of town shopping place and the traffic issues.

A few queries about whether anyone would walk or cycle there. The clinching argument against bikes is that you can't take a dining table and 6 chairs home on a bike.

Where to start ...

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Hirsute | 1 year ago
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Time to move to Oulu

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-64354089

Oulu in northern Finland has snow on the ground for five months - but that doesn’t stop residents using their bikes.

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Sriracha replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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I found this interesting not just for the point it makes about winter cycling - after all it's Finland so they are obliged to know how to cope with snow - but for what it says about cycling in general. Cycling rates in the 70%s over Summer, and 40%s in winter, because there is a will and determination manifested in good cycling infrastructure...

"950km of safe segregated cycle paths, we don't have to worry about motor traffic at all"

...and ongoing maintenance. In short, they are able to cycle because, as a city, they prioritise it. And being enabled to, they choose to.

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chrisonabike replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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Yup, notjustbikes has a good vid on that place (and winter cycling in general) as does bicycledutch. And lots of others now I Google...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU

https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2020/02/12/cycling-in-the-finnish-snow/

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mark1a replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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chrisonatrike wrote:

... And lots of others now I Google...

Has chrisonatrike's account been hacked by Yoda?

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Hirsute | 1 year ago
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Cyclist close passed 3 times by the same young driver.
https://youtu.be/b_YJLCsWmaI
The third one, he has gone around a small roundabout a few times to repeat this.
Cyclist not getting any police help.
https://mobile.twitter.com/jaj991/status/1616487553367932960

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Hirsute | 1 year ago
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I see sunak is getting an fpn from lancs police - surely this is fake news?!
Will wtjs be claiming in each submission 'lack of seat belt'?

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ShutTheFrontDawes replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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hirsute wrote:

I see sunak is getting an fpn from lancs police - surely this is fake news?!
Will wtjs be claiming in each submission 'lack of seat belt'?

wtjs must be absolutely fuming. I didn't even see a rear-facing camera view or 2 minutes before and after the offence!

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wtjs replied to ShutTheFrontDawes | 1 year ago
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wtjs must be absolutely fuming

I don't think I've ever been 'fuming'. I have long years behind me training with the indolence and cyclist-hostility of the police, so I've seen most of their dodge-book. It's years since they tried the '2 minutes video before and after the incident' one, and I think it was five minutes here in 2019. The idea was just to make it impossible to send in HQ videos in the 60 MB limit they had at the time, so they could then say the quality wasn't good enough to assess- they don't even competently look at the short ones, never mind 5 minutes worth. I asked the purpose, and they fell into the trap and said that it was to see how I had been cycling. This was clearly insisting that I provide evidence against myself before they would even accept the video of the incident, and I pointed out that if someone wished to make charges against me, they only had to provide the video evidence, just as I was obliged to do. The 'before and after' dodge was then abandoned. In the days before they decided to simply refuse to respond to anything at OpSnap Lancs, there would be only 10-15 seconds of video of me standing there watching people go through red lights, for instance.

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ShutTheFrontDawes replied to wtjs | 1 year ago
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I was only joking, and poking fun at the expense of lancs constabulary, who from your reports seem to be completely feckin useless  1

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wtjs replied to ShutTheFrontDawes | 1 year ago
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I wasn't taking it seriously! I am happy for people to make merry at my feud with LC

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ktache replied to wtjs | 1 year ago
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I heartily commend your persistence.

It must be wearing.

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wtjs replied to ktache | 1 year ago
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It must be wearing

Not really- Lancashire Constabulary traffic is very consistent, so you know beforehand what they're going to do: whatever the moving traffic offence, they're too busy to pay any attention to it

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wtjs replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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I see sunak is getting an fpn from lancs police - surely this is fake news?!
Will wtjs be claiming in each submission 'lack of seat belt'?

I'm pretty sure I have never claimed that, and I don't think I have detected it

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chrisonabike replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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Yet another poor driver being milked for cash! How will he afford it, what with paying the highest fuel tax in (fill in Europe, the world as appropriate) plus *road tax*, insurance etc...?

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ktache replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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Of course it would be the driver who is responsible for the passenger not obeying this rule.

And would that highly trained professional be from the same excellent unit that gave their compatriots the nicknames "the rapist" and "bastard Dave"?

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Sriracha replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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On a side note, why do the police always use knowing circumlocutions ("a 42-year-old man from London") instead of simply naming the person?

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Rendel Harris replied to Sriracha | 1 year ago
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Deleted - misunderstood the question!

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Steve K | 1 year ago
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Rendel Harris replied to Steve K | 1 year ago
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Steve K wrote:

I'm happy to take Geoff Thomas's perspective - https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jun/12/lance-armstrong-redemption...

There is quite a difference between forgiveness/redemption, e.g., letting him back into the sport in some fashion as a coach or commentator, for which there would be some justification (or would be if he showed the slightest sign of contrition), and behaving as if his offences were never committed and handing him all his titles back, no?

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Simon E replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

There is quite a difference between forgiveness/redemption, e.g., letting him back into the sport in some fashion as a coach or commentator, for which there would be some justification (or would be if he showed the slightest sign of contrition), and behaving as if his offences were never committed and handing him all his titles back, no?

I'd prefer it if he simply stayed away from pro cycling. There are a huge number of positive thigs he could do without being involved in pro sport - go riding with Geoff Thomas, doing cancer-related or cycling advocacy stuff and so on. Or did he burnt too many bridges there too?

He should let pro cycling carry on without him, the sport doesn't need him and he doesn't need the sport. He may be rehabilitated more readily if he did that. But if he lets himself be defined solely by his pro cycling past by wanting to go back to it or be accepted by the current pro cycling world for whatever reason then that's a big mistake IMHO.

To answer brooksby, HWMNBN was a widely used acronym for a while. It was used widely in American discussions because his name inevitably polarised and derailled any discussion, regardless of the topic. I don't recall seeing him referred to as Voldemort, he could have chosen that himself since he's very good at dictating the narrative.

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brooksby | 1 year ago
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I appreciate that this is something I ought to have asked years ago, but when did Armstrong start being nicknamed as Lord Voldemort/H,WMNBN?

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peted76 replied to brooksby | 1 year ago
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When... I can't remember.. some years ago after some story appeared.. you've nailed it though... 'he who must not be named'

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Krd51 | 1 year ago
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Of course he should get them back, it's a farce, he's being used as a scapegoat, dopping has been going on since the dawn of time, it's dilusional to think any sport is totally clean, tw@ts are being caught dopping to win a sportive ffs what's even some idiots think they are races😂😂😂😂

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Patrick9-32 replied to Krd51 | 1 year ago
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Why do those twats think that it is reasonable to dope though? Is it, maybe, becuase it was accepted and normalised at the top level of the sport? 

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Barraob1 replied to Krd51 | 1 year ago
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If he wasn't a lying, career destroying, narcissistic piece of crap, he might have kept them. It's his failure to resemble anything even remotely human is probably why they were they were taken from him.

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Shake replied to Krd51 | 1 year ago
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If you don't take them away then there is no motivation in not taking drugs

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S13SFC replied to Krd51 | 1 year ago
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Krd51 wrote:

Of course he should get them back, it's a farce, he's being used as a scapegoat, dopping has been going on since the dawn of time, it's dilusional to think any sport is totally clean, tw@ts are being caught dopping to win a sportive ffs what's even some idiots think they are races😂😂😂😂

 

The bloke is a cunt.

The end.

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ShutTheFrontDawes | 1 year ago
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Everyone is probably going to hate me for saying this but... In my opinion Lance Armstrong is one of the most inspirational sportspersons in my memory. To do what he did despite his afflictions is, to me, amazing. Yes he doped - and I always suspected he did - but like everyone says, so did so many others. And he beat them all, despite his advanced and aggressive cancers.

He inspired me to apply myself despite my own health conditions, and I was honoured to represent my university in rowing at BUCS championship level, despite having very active Crohn's disease.

I think that the way he has been punished is fair and think that it is such a shame that he and so many athletes were able to dope to such an extent and for so long.

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