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Cyclist "made the mistake of ordering bike components from the EU"... left with £50 of customs charges; Jumbo-Visma Twitter account hacked — crypto adverts galore; Einer Rubio wins Giro mountain stage shortened due to bad weather + more on the live blog

Dan Alexander remains in the live blog jersey for Friday — will he be able to keep hold of it during a monstrous third week?
19 May 2023, 10:57
"A total joke compared to pre-Brexit"

We got in touch with Stan who told us his total order was £210, including four tyres, a chain, a cassette, some inner tubes and a KMC missing link. 

"They ship without VAT so not bothered about paying the VAT but they should really include Parcel Force's clearance fee in their shipping costs and make it clear that there are extra custom fees... a total joke compared to pre-Brexit."

19 May 2023, 09:21
Cyclist "made the mistake of ordering bike components from the EU"... left with £50 of customs charges

Anyone experienced similar over the past couple of years?

Customs charges (@geckobike)

"Made the mistake of ordering bike components from the EU," Stan wrote on Twitter. "This government needs to be placed in the stocks and pelted with s*** with what they've done to EU trade," his conclusion...

He ordered from a German-based bicycle components website and was left with the not so charming cocktail of Customs Duty, Import VAT AND a Clearance Fee...

> Dutch bike part dealer shipping to every country in the world except UK because of Brexit VAT change

"People may be thinking 'don't order from the EU' but there are two points A) this used to be easy," he added. "B) these rules apply to ANYTHING you transport across the border. Technically you [could] be charged duty for putting your bikes on your car and travelling to France and back if customs decided you couldn't prove you already owned the bike."

> Cycling club arrives in Spain for charity ride... hit with £7,000 bike customs charge

19 May 2023, 15:32
How to be a Grand Tourist – enjoying a few days at cycling's biggest races
19 May 2023, 15:39
Einer Rubio wins Giro mountain stage shortened due to bad weather

Why can't we (Thibaut Pinot) have nice things (Grand Tour stage wins)? Yes, I know he won loads back in the 2010s but it's been a barren few years since 2019 and now, in the final year of his career, the road.cc fan club would like one more day in the sun. Is that too much to ask? Right, tears dried, back to the stage...

Thibaut Pinot Giro 2023 (GCN/Eurosport)

Einer Rubio won the day with this impressive sprint...

In the GC group, Hugh Carthy took six seconds back on the rest, while Andreas Leknessund lost seven. The tight battle for the maglia rosa continues... 

19 May 2023, 13:58
"Send your criticism to me, not the riders. The riders are the heroes of this sport": Adam Hansen comes out firing again

CPA riders union president Adam Hansen needs to respect the Giro's microphones a bit more... stop dropping 'em...

Here's his statement on events which led to stage 13 being shortened...

To provide clarity from the riders' perspective, the weather conditions experienced during this year's Giro have been among the most intense. In response, the riders held a vote last night to invoke the extreme weather protocol. According to the regulations, which outline freezing rain as point 1 and extreme temperatures as point 4 during certain parts of today's route, the riders agreed to vote.

If the majority surpassed 80 per cent, the remaining riders would follow and respect the majority decision, which implementing the extreme weather protocol and executing point 3: "change of route." The voting process was conducted anonymously, with over 90 per cent of the riders in favour. I and the CPA support their decision.

If anyone disagrees with their choice, I will wear the cost. So send your criticism to me, not the riders. The riders are the heroes of this sport, and I believe they should focus solely on their racing rather than being subjected to negative remarks.

I would like to extend my gratitude to the Giro organisation for recognising the need for change and understanding the riders' perspective. The extreme weather conditions experienced this year are beyond anyone's control, and the riders are grateful for the support of the RCS, volunteers, and fans. They will do their best to put on a show for the world to watch!

The stage is now underway, Thibaut Pinot part of a five-man breakaway. Could it be that illusive Grand Tour win that's avoided him since 2019 for the Frenchman at his final Giro? 

19 May 2023, 13:42
road.cc contributor Matt Page to take on Mark Beaumont's NC500 record

You might recognise Matt Page from reviewing here at road.cc, from off.road.cc videos or from his numerous long-distance achievements documented on the site, not least the world record for most castles visited in one week by bike (stick that in your pipe Froomey, you can keep your yellow jerseys)...

Matt Page london edinburgh london LEL pics Humber Bridge

In short, he's a bloody strong cyclist and has a new challenge in his sights... Mark Beaumont's NC500 record of 28 hours 35 minutes. Matt will be taking it on Monday 22nd or Tuesday 23rd May 2023, weather depending, and will be aiming to better Mark's average speed of 18.2mph (29.2kph) for the 516-mile (~830km) circular route, which includes a brutal 32,000ft (9,754m) of climbing. Told you he's bloody strong...

> Video: "One hell of a rollercoaster" – Matt Page on his 1,525km London-Edinburgh-London ride

We'll keep you updated here on the live blog and you can follow Matt's progress on the live tracker...

19 May 2023, 13:16
Eolo-Kometa mourns loss of Arturo Grávalos

Racing is back underway at the Giro d'Italia, Eolo-Kometa part of the action. This morning the Italian-registered, Spanish-based Continental outfit run by Ivan Basso and Alberto Contador announced the tragic news that one of their riders Arturo Grávalos had passed away.

The 25-year-old was diagnosed with a brain tumour in November 2021, undergoing surgery a few weeks later. Despite "very positive" progress, Grávalos went through several further surgeries, his team explaining how he "never gave up".

"That was his nature," the team said this morning. "Arturo wanted to leave his mark in the sport he loved so much and in which he generated so much affection.

 "Life put many obstacles in front of him in recent times and he always, always, reacted with the best of his face, overcoming them with the greatest of positivism.

"He kept his sorrow or regret to himself, refusing it to give it continuity. Armed with his huge smile, his closeness and his frankness, he was all about building, supporting, praising and thanking. We will never forget you, Arturo. Rest in peace."

19 May 2023, 11:44
Surrey Police says warning letters "most appropriate course of action" for majority of driving offences, and calls on cyclists who submit multiple near miss clips to "engage with us further" to improve road safety
19 May 2023, 11:12
Geraint Thomas: "I think it is a good decision, it's still going to be a super hard stage"
Geraint Thomas 2023 Giro d'Italia (SWpix.com/Zac Williams)

G spoke to the TV cameras before the start of today's stage. Well, before the riders rode out of the neutral zone (to fulfil the host town's duties), jumping in the buses shortly after to transfer to the new start...

"There was a big chat last night with the CPA [riders union] and all the teams voted on what they wanted to do," the maglia rosa explained. "To be honest, I think it is a good decision, it's still going to be a super hard stage, it just means we aren't in this cold wet weather for even longer.

"We've seen so many guys going home with sickness and a few injuries obviously, but mainly just sick so if we want to get to Rome with at least 50 guys it's a good decision I think. It's still going to be hard racing, it's a decent compromise."

The rumours from Jens Voigt on the ground with GCN are that the Arkéa–Samsic bus left without some of the team's riders. Siri, what's French for 'are you 100% sure we've got everything?'

ATTACK...

19 May 2023, 08:59
Our new stage profile
19 May 2023, 08:39
Giro mountain stage shortened due to weather

The whispers were building, but now it seems pretty certain the Giro stage later today, the first major mountain day (Gran Sasso's headwind fest has been erased from my memory), will be shortened to less than 80km and have a climb removed due to the weather... it's another grim day to be riding a bicycle in Italy... especially over 1,800m...

So what's the new plan? 

It's all about perspective, if the original stage was the current route the cycling world would be screaming its head off about 'could this be the most exciting Grand Tour stage ever?' à la Tour de France 2018 stage 17. Bjarne Riis' stage nine win at the '96 Tour on a snow-shortened 46km stage wasn't bad either... I'm reliably informed by Ryan... a bit before my time...

19 May 2023, 08:20
We have a suspect...
Jumbo-Visma Twitter hacked

Suspicious. Very Suspicious... 

19 May 2023, 07:36
Jumbo-Visma Twitter account hacked — Giro updates turn to crypto adverts

If you were having an aimless scroll of social media last night, like me, you might have found your Twitter timeline full of Elon Musk retweets and cryptocurrency adverts. And while in these days of the blue bird app my first assumption was that it's just another glitch under a certain Tesla-owning billionaire's rule, my attention was then caught by the username — @JumboVismaRoad...

Jumbo-Visma Twitter hacked

Just hours after the team had updated fans on Sepp Kuss' breakaway day on stage 12 of the Giro, Primož Roglič taking it easy ahead of the first major mountain day today, the 'team' was now sharing adverts for stuff like this...

Jumbo-Visma Twitter hacked

And retweeting stuff like this...

Jumbo-Visma Twitter hacked

Team press officer Thijs Roelen took to his personal account, appealing: "Please, dear cycling fans, report to Twitter that our account has been hacked so you can get the cycling content you want. And also, don't buy crypto."

The reports have seemingly done the trick, even if the posts are still on the timeline, the account back belonging to... 'Dutch World Tour cycling team'. There's a happy ending... (immense stress for team staff during the Giro aside).

19 May 2023, 08:12
Wahoo eliminates all debt following "significant" support from investors

Dan joined road.cc in 2020, and spent most of his first year (hopefully) keeping you entertained on the live blog. At the start of 2022 he took on the role of news editor. Before joining road.cc, Dan wrote about various sports, including football and boxing for the Daily Express, and covered the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Part of the generation inspired by the 2012 Olympics, Dan has been 'enjoying' life on two wheels ever since and spends his weekends making bonk-induced trips to the petrol stations of the south of England.

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Xenophon2 | 427 posts | 4 months ago
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I'm looking at this from the EU side and yeah, Brexit bollox*d everything up.  Was a regular customer with SJS.  No more, received the royal treatment too.  What irks me is not so much the customs duty (normal), nor the VAT (ditto) but the fact that as a customer you're obliged to let yourself get screwed by the courier firm who tack on unreasonable service fees for filing the declaration.  There simply is NO way (at least in the EU) to handle this yourself as a consignee.  

In bygone years at least this -largely theoretical- option existed:  you could actually go to a customs office and fill out the paperwork , then pay at the counter and pick up your parcel.  Fail to see why this wouldn't be possible in the IT age but there it is.

Would like to visit the UK again but passports for the family, being given the third degree by some border force guy who wants to make sure that I'm not about to give up my well paid job in Brussels to live on the dole in the UK...nah, I'll pass.

Good thing Rapha set up a warehouse on the EU-side.

 

 

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BIRMINGHAMisaDUMP replied to Xenophon2 | 920 posts | 4 months ago
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Even the frog faced Farage admits brexthick is a disaster. Not his fault of course, but it's still a disaster. 

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Gus T replied to Xenophon2 | 559 posts | 4 months ago
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simple answer is don't use Parcel Force/Roayal Mail, they charge an exorbitant handling fee, for orders that will attract any duty, I ask the seller to use DHL etc, they just charge the duties.

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bikeman01 | 415 posts | 4 months ago
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Re import duties. Isn't it the case that overseas sellers are required to collect VAT on orders below £135.

For orders above £135 VAT is collected by the incoming delivery company and for that service they also add on their clearance fee. 

The rules around customs duty is a mystery. And its a free for all as for as clearance fees.

That seems to be how it works when I buy stuff on ebay and Ali Express. 

It does seem a bit much that overseas sellers can hide behind .co.uk websites so these fees aren't transparent to buyers.

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andystow | 1179 posts | 4 months ago
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Interesting. Wiltshire police targeting illegal e-bikes in Swindon.

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Steve K replied to andystow | 1730 posts | 4 months ago
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andystow wrote:

Interesting. Wiltshire police targeting illegal e-bikes in Swindon.

Quote from that article "Electric bicycles are only legal if they comply with the law": that's true for everything, isn't it?

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hawkinspeter replied to Steve K | 12162 posts | 4 months ago
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Steve K wrote:

Quote from that article "Electric bicycles are only legal if they comply with the law": that's true for everything, isn't it?

Isn't it the other way round? Everything is legal unless there's a law proscribing it

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Hirsute | 8066 posts | 4 months ago
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Whist we are thinking of brexit, this popped up

https://twitter.com/a_toots/status/1659289249684811783

"Congratulations to this man, who’s just been officially recognised by the Guinness World Records for the longest pause of all time while trying to think of some Brexit benefits."

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BIRMINGHAMisaDUMP replied to Hirsute | 920 posts | 4 months ago
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I thought that was a spoof. But it's actually for real. 

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Krislord | 9 posts | 4 months ago
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I bought some stuff from La Passione this week.

Arrived in 2 days and VAT was included in the transaction and no fees upon import.

a basic knowledge of purchasing abroad and a good seller means it was painless.

A £12 fee from parcel force seems rather irrelevant when you've spent £200 getting something cheaper than you would have if buying domestically  

 

 

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brooksby | 12197 posts | 4 months ago
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illusive Grand Tour win 

I don't think that means what you think it means, Dan... 

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LookAhead replied to brooksby | 64 posts | 4 months ago
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brooksby wrote:

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illusive Grand Tour win 

I don't think that means what you think it means, Dan... 

What's wrong with it? Every time Pinot gets to the finish line, the victory he was chasing isn't actually there.😉

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Owd Big 'Ead | 334 posts | 4 months ago
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No wonder so many people voted for the sunny uplands of a Brexit deal when they can't even fathom out for themselves that ordering from within the EU is now going to cost them more than it did in the past!

FFS, take some responsibility for your own actions, instead of blaming everyone else.

We live in a country of utter morons these days.

Good grief I'm becoming more curmudgeonly every day surrounded by these twats 

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OldRidgeback replied to Owd Big 'Ead | 4483 posts | 4 months ago
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Kemi Badenoch would no doubt say that the extra costs are not the effect of Brexit. 

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Surreyrider replied to OldRidgeback | 438 posts | 4 months ago
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The government would blame Covid and the war in Ukraine - its the stock answer to everything that goes wrong.

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brooksby replied to Owd Big 'Ead | 12197 posts | 4 months ago
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Owd Big 'Ead wrote:

No wonder so many people voted for the sunny uplands of a Brexit deal when they can't even fathom out for themselves that ordering from within the EU is now going to cost them more than it did in the past!

Like: was it last summer? When the tabloids were all up in arms because people travelling to the European mainland were being treated as if they were 'foreigners', and being asked to show their passports and having passports rejected for not having enough time left on them and stuff...

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chrisonatrike replied to brooksby | 6798 posts | 4 months ago
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"It is not enough to succeed - others must fail. " - Iris Murdoch, or Gore Vidal, or Somerset Maugham, or possibly Marcus Whatsischops.

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brooksby replied to chrisonatrike | 12197 posts | 4 months ago
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chrisonatrike wrote:

"It is not enough to succeed - others must fail. " - Iris Murdoch, or Gore Vidal, or Somerset Maugham, or possibly Marcus Whatsischops.

Google seems to go with Somerset Maughan.

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Rendel Harris replied to chrisonatrike | 5435 posts | 4 months ago
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chrisonatrike wrote:

"It is not enough to succeed - others must fail. " - Iris Murdoch, or Gore Vidal, or Somerset Maugham, or possibly Marcus Whatsischops.

Earliest attribution is to Ghengis Khan. Marcus Whassname would never have said anything so negative!

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Rendel Harris | 5435 posts | 4 months ago
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Auriol Grey appeal rejected (even though Martin and Nigel told us it was guaranteed to be overturned on appeal because of the biased judge!): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-65645364

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Zjtm231 replied to Rendel Harris | 224 posts | 4 months ago
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Best News I have heard today. Thank you

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brooksby replied to Rendel Harris | 12197 posts | 4 months ago
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Have they released new footage?  I was reading about it earlier and the video I saw showed more interview footage - that I hadn't seen before - with the interrogating officer explaining to Ms Grey that their stills clearly show her hand on Mrs Ward's sleeve and could she explain that to them.

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Mungecrundle replied to Rendel Harris | 3022 posts | 4 months ago
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Well what do you know? Causing someone to fall into the path of moving traffic (regardless of what heinous crime you think they have commited)* with all the foreseable consequences of such an act has been confirmed to be illegal.

The only mitigation for Auriol Grey is that she is as much a victim of the MSM anti cyclist hate campaign as her victim Mrs Ward.

*For the record I'd happily push Putin into live traffic, take the consequences, and only regret that it wasn't into a container full of flesh eating worms.

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stomec replied to Rendel Harris | 340 posts | 4 months ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

Auriol Grey appeal rejected (even though Martin and Nigel told us it was guaranteed to be overturned on appeal because of the biased judge!): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-65645364

And if anyone was in any doubt, just listen to the video of the interview. Shocking. 

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ShutTheFrontDawes replied to stomec | 888 posts | 4 months ago
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stomec wrote:

Rendel Harris wrote:

Auriol Grey appeal rejected (even though Martin and Nigel told us it was guaranteed to be overturned on appeal because of the biased judge!): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-65645364

And if anyone was in any doubt, just listen to the video of the interview. Shocking. 

Indeed. I think the interviewer was unnecessarily kind to someone who had callously took another human being's life. Personally I would have made her watch the video over and over again, including the part where her victim was hit by the car, until she admitted, word for word, what she said and why.

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Pyro Tim | 183 posts | 4 months ago
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It amazes me that people think we can take part in international trade, and not have to follow rules and pay charges. It's your responsibility to check these out. Be it from EU or elsewhere. Since Brexit, people assume things haven't changed and ship bikes to events without organising customs. £12 is nothing for the process companies have to go through to organise, and pay out on your behalf.

I am a freight forwarder and customs broker. To enable the likes of Parcelforce / DHL etc to do the entry, they need to post huge sums (millions) into an account that is effectively dead money to them. Customer has to pay to use this service, as the money gets no interest, and cannot be used for business/cash flow use. You are not paying based on the value of the goods, but the process. They have to manually enter the entry, and several items with different tariff codes takes time. We charge £60 an entry, which inclues 3 tariff numbers, and £3.50 per additional tariff number. Granted, I don't work with individuals for small stuff, and don't do bulk entries like this specific senario, which are a little less time consuming. Don't blame the companies, blame Brexit, and those that promoted it and voted for it.

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hawkinspeter replied to Pyro Tim | 12162 posts | 4 months ago
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Pyro Tim wrote:

It amazes me that people think we can take part in international trade, and not have to follow rules and pay charges. It's your responsibility to check these out. Be it from EU or elsewhere. Since Brexit, people assume things haven't changed and  ship bikes to events without organising customs.£12 is nothing for the process companies have to go through to organise, and pay out on your behalf.

I am a freight forwarder and customs broker. To enable the likes of Parcelforce / DHL etc to do the entry, they need to post huge sums (millions) into an account that is effectively dead money to them. Customer has to pay to use this service, as the money gets no interest, and cannot be used for business/cash flow use. You are not paying based on the value of the goods, but the process. They have to manually enter the entry, and several items with different tariff codes takes time. We charge £60 an entry, which inclues 3 tariff numbers, and £3.50 per additional tariff number. Granted, I don't work with individuals for small stuff, and don't do bulk entries like this specific senario, which are a little less time consuming. Don't blame the companies, blame Brexit, and those that promoted it and voted for it.

It amazes me that you think that every customer should have to learn the details of international trade when they're just looking to buy stuff from an online shop. The responsibility should lie with the seller to figure out their typical charges and inform the customer or at least warn them if the charges are too complicated for the shop to work out (e.g. if they haven't shipped to that location previously).

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Pyro Tim replied to hawkinspeter | 183 posts | 4 months ago
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The law is the law, and ignorance is no excuse. Your responsibility, not someone in another country. If you want to import, you have to know. If you don't / can't be arsed, buy it from UK from someone who has checked and complied. The rules are complicated enough, I know UK customs, and a little of EU, based on what it was here before Brexit, but nothing of US or anywhere else. It is not my responsibilty to know foreign rules, just as it isn't a bike shop in Germany to know our rules.

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hawkinspeter replied to Pyro Tim | 12162 posts | 4 months ago
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Pyro Tim wrote:

The law is the law, and ignorance is no excuse. Your responsibility, not someone in another country. If you want to import, you have to know. If you don't / can't be arsed, buy it from UK from someone who has checked and complied. The rules are complicated enough, I know UK customs, and a little of EU, based on what it was here before Brexit, but nothing of US or anywhere else. It is not my responsibilty to know foreign rules, just as it isn't a bike shop in Germany to know our rules.

If a bike shop in Germany is selling to UK customers, then I'd expect them to know what they're doing. For example, Mantel (https://www.mantel.com/uk) declare that they will only ship orders up to the value of £135 due to Brexit shenanigans.

Yes, ultimately it's up to the consumer, but it's not practical to expect every customer to know the specific details of an industry when they're just looking to buy some bike parts. The seller, however is the natural single point that will have to know some details of shipping internationally, so it follows that they should help their customers.

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Pyro Tim replied to hawkinspeter | 183 posts | 4 months ago
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It is not the sellers responsibility, but the importers. Doesn't matter what you think, this is the reality. The seller wants to make money, they sell. They might arrange shipping for you, but ultimately once it's left their warehouse, that's the end of their responsibility. Probably sold on DAP terms, which means they pay for delivery up to your door, excluding customs clearance. This means the importer needs to pay taxes and charges to clear the goods.

Mantel do that as you don't pay VAT or duty on low value goods, and can be customs cleared without declaring tariff numbers. This is a simple job for couriers to enter. It is something they've chosen to do so they don't have people bitching, but no requirement to do so, and limits what they can sell. Others will have made a commercial decision to do something different.

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