The Alliance of British Drivers has argued that there can be “extenuating circumstances” for some close passes, after a driving instructor posted a video on social media of a motorist dangerously overtaking a cyclist towards an oncoming vehicle.
The clip, which shows a truck driver narrowly squeezing past a cyclist on Rugby Road, West Bridgford, while forcing an oncoming motorist to stop, was shared last week by Nottingham-based driving instructor Chris Allsopp.
“This van chose to pass the cyclists with minimum clearance, and encroached on our side of the road forcing us to move left and stop to avoid a collision,” Allsopp wrote on his Moose Driving Facebook page.
“If they planned ahead, slowing on approach to the cyclist, they could have timed their pass much more safely. Hopefully the cyclist wasn’t too shaken after this nasty incident today.”
Speaking to Nottinghamshire Live, the driving instructor said he felt compelled to share the incident to raise awareness of the “poor” decisions made by some drivers when passing cyclists.
“I happened to be driving when I saw that. I am a driving instructor and I could see this developing from down the road,” he said.
“I knew I had to take action. I drive about eight hours a day, and I see many drivers in traffic. Even very good drivers can make poor mistakes. And this was a poor mistake.
“[The overtake] appeared to be less than the recommended 1.5m clearance. I always tell my students to always leave as much space as they would want if they were on a bike.”
Responding to the clip, Neil Greig, director of policy and research at the road safety charity IAM RoadSmart, said the dangerous overtake serves as a reminder to motorists to adhere to the Highway Code, which “makes it clear that all drivers and riders travelling at speeds of up to 30mph should leave at least 1.5m, or 5ft, when passing cyclists – and they should leave more space at higher speeds”.
Greig added: “It’s important to give cyclists the room, and time, to pass them safely. If it’s not safe, then don’t overtake. All road users must share the road safely, and be mindful of those more vulnerable to injury, such as cyclists.
“Those driving larger vehicles, and employers using commercial vehicles, need to be even more aware of their responsibility to share the road safely. It’s important to take the time to learn the rules and not take decisions on the road that could cause an accident – ignorance of code and the law is no defence.”
However, the video was met with a somewhat different response from Ian Taylor, the director of the pro-motoring pressure group the Alliance of British Drivers, who argued that “extenuating circumstances” can lead to motorists giving cyclists insufficient space on the road.
“Just because we are pro-drivers, that does not make us anti-cyclists. We are all on the road together,” Taylor said.
“He [the driving instructor] is right to remind drivers of the recommendation [to leave 1.5m space when overtaking] because sometimes the cycling fraternity can get too picky about this too.
“However, in general, I can say that there can be extenuating circumstances if something had suddenly appeared in the way that the driver needs to make more room for it.
“Not allowing the full width may have been the only way out from an even worse situation. I want to say that we are not different tribes – drivers and cyclists.”
That particular statement is certainly not atypical of the Alliance of British Drivers’ approach to close passes involving people on bikes.
Last April, the group described a court’s decision to convict a motorist for careless driving as “idiotic” and “pathetic sucking up the cycling lobby”.
The ABD – which aims to promote “the interests and concerns of Britain’s drivers” – responded to footage of a close pass posted on Twitter by the Sheffield North West Neighbourhood Policing Team, which resulted in the driver receiving a £417 fine and their licence endorsed with five penalty points.
The clip showed the moment the approaching driver passed a group of oncoming cyclists too closely, at what the officers described as “excessive speed”. The police also added that “if anyone thinks this is an acceptable manner of driving, let this be your warning”.
COURT RESULT: CARELESS DRIVING. The driver of this vehicle decided to pass a group of cyclists at excessive speed and far too closely. Fined £417 in total, licence endorsed with 5 points. If anyone thinks this is an acceptable manner of driving, let this be your warning. pic.twitter.com/zInKYa84cc
— Sheffield North West NPT (@SheffNW_NPT) April 21, 2022
The ABD then launched a prolonged online attack on the court’s decision, retweeting the footage with the caption “If your [sic] weren’t already convinced that the police are out to get you…”
The alliance described the fine and penalty points issued to the driver as an “idiotic decision that undermines the credibility of the courts and the police”.
The group’s account added: “We all know there are fanatics who want drivers to stop and bow down before every cyclist. If the police foolishly choose to side with them it will damage the relationship with the public.”
The alliance then claimed that the prosecution was evidence of “pathetic sucking up to the cycling lobby”, and described the police’s publicising of the incident as “vile threats” which “make it abundantly clear whose side you are on”.
“This is not policing, this is intimidation,” the account wrote. The group also criticised the use of the term “victims” to describe those on the receiving end of close passes, labelling it a “joke”.
The Sheffield North West officers, on the other hand, were keen to dismiss what they described as anti-cycling “whataboutery”, pointing out that if the offending motorist “had simply driven to the conditions at a less dangerous speed and stayed on his own side of the road he wouldn’t have been prosecuted”.

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“He [the driving instructor]
“He [the driving instructor] is right to remind drivers of the recommendation [to leave 1.5m space when overtaking] because sometimes the cycling fraternity can get too picky about this too.”
– Not sure there is such a thing as being “too picky” about my life being put at risk so someone can save a few seconds.
“However, in general, I can say that there can be extenuating circumstances if something had suddenly appeared in the way that the driver needs to make more room for it.”
– If something has suddenly appeared while you were overtaking then it wasn’t a safe place to overtake.
“Not allowing the full width may have been the only way out from an even worse situation. I want to say that we are not different tribes – drivers and cyclists.”
– The only way out of that worse situation would be to slow down and not pretend your convenience is more important than another human’s safety.
Perhaps somebody should
Perhaps somebody should explain to them that being a bellend does not account as extenuating circumstances…
I’m not sure that there are
I’m not sure that there are sufficient monosyllable words to communicate the facts clearly to Mt Taylor and his alliance.
If members of the alliance
If members of the alliance are genuinely interested in motoring safety and increased motoring dskills, is this the point at which they conclude this organisation is not the one for them.
Ian Taylor would appear to be as thick as pigshit snd half as useful.
If there are ‘extenuating
If there are ‘extenuating circumstances’ for poor anticipation when driving, then maybe the ABD needs to get them listed and entered into the Highway Code. Alternatively, he’s a driver-apologist and knows nothing about road danger and its causes.
Surely if there was something
Surely if there was something on the road that the driver hadn’t taken into account the best course of action would be to slow up until things were back under control not to just carry on regardless.
The road behind that van is completely empty so even emergency breaking wouldn’t have endangered a rear end collision.
I am not in the Alliance of British Drivers though so perhaps I’m not educated enough to comment. ?
Cheshire Police appear to be
Cheshire Police appear to be happy with the extenuating circumstances of ‘In this case the incident occurs on a narrow country lane where it would be unrealistic for the other vehicle to have waited for a wider point to pass, the other vehicle appears to pass using as much of the available road as possible…’
So the rules are okay to be broken if it doens’t suit the driver of themotor vehicle?
“Extenuating circumstances” =
“Extenuating circumstances” = “I really don’t want to wait”
I was close passed on my way home last night, in a section of the road going into North Somerset from the Clifton Suspension Bridge. There’s an island down the centre line of the road, with a narrowed lane each way. Didn’t stop a taxi driver passing me through there – close enough for me to quite comfortably slap the side of his car (wish I’d had something pointy or heavy in my hand…).
brooksby wrote:
Suggest that you contact the Public Carriage Office (Council taxi regulator) local to the incident since they do have the obligation for public safety.
I’ve been successful in getting the taxi driver ‘educated’ in the past..
I cannot think of a single
I cannot think of a single situation where not allowing enough space would have extenuating circumstances that hold water.
If a car comes out a side road, why were you overtaking by a junction ?
If a car comes from other direction (as in video), why were you overtaking without clear sight that it was safe ?
If there’s a traffic island in the road, I’m sure it was already there if you’d looked.
Driving and Audi/BMW etc is not a valid reason.
Also it seems ROAD.CC have mistyped “The Alliance of Bad Drivers” as “The Alliance of British Drivers”
StuInNorway wrote:
I think membership of the ABD is one.
“Not allowing the full width
“Not allowing the full width may have been the only way out from an even worse situation”
Yes the van/truck driver might have had to use his brake pedal and slow down and we cant have that
See this attitude so many times on the road it’s always MGIF now, they hardly ever back off and do the overtake safely
Also what’s this appeared to be less 1.5m clearance stuff, a Ford transit truck is 1.4mish wide, can you fit another ford transit truck in that gap?, no, the f*** its 1.5m’s then
Yeah totally. AAIJMUFNR!
Yeah totally. AAIJMUFNR!
Thats the general attitude to
Thats the general attitude to awful driving that results in accidents as well. “I couldn’t see you because the sun was in my eyes so I just turned across the road without pausing”. The fact that this is a valid excuse is mind boggling. There is a roundabout near me that is almost impossible to see things coming in from the right as its just after a bridge. Do you know what I don’t do? I don’t fly out onto it and say “well, its hard to see so I didn’t bother to make allowances”.
That is quite literally what being a good driver is all about. Driving to the conditions. Driving to traffic levels, weather conditions, anticipating issues and dangers. It is 100% your fault when you don’t do that. Its 100% your fault when you put yourself in a position where there is no way out. Its 100% your fault when you hit a cyclist because you weren’t looking.
Only if extenuating
Only if extenuating circumstances includes lack of ability or lack of care.
The Sheffield North West
The Sheffield North West officers, on the other hand, were keen to dismiss what they described as anti-cycling “whataboutery”
In Lancashire we dream of even 0.5m and proper police not desperate to get motorists off all offences against cyclists and even VED, insurance and VED evasion. All we can do is despise the police and the PCC and publicise the videos where Lancashire Police avoided any response and took no action. Here’s an old one and a new one
https://upride.cc/incident/yn67mvj_sainsburys44tonner_closepass/
https://upride.cc/incident/po17rou_astra_closepass/
and a £90,000 No MOT vehicle KM20 KXL which would never be troubled by the obsequious forelock-tugging idlers at Lancashire Constabulary
I’d like to ask the ABD to
I’d like to ask the ABD to put on record, as their official position, exactly what these “extenuating circumstances” are and how they recommend “British Drivers” should respond. “In situation [x] our view is that it is acceptable to breach the Highway Code so as to put other road users at risk of death or serious injury.” Come on then ABD- can you clarify for us please?
Genarally speaking from my
Genarally speaking from my viewpoint
IAM are mad
ABD are Mad and Bad
Cycloid wrote:
What part of the IAM comment shows madness (Mental Health Act)?
Clearly the ABD are apologists for bad driving.
The IAM statement appears consistent with the latest Highway Code and they aspire to the Roadcraft standard set by the Police Traffic Division. Fairly strong evidence of a rational approach, informed by the Road Traffic Acts that apply to UK Highways.
It’s true that lack of government funding has abolished the Traffic Division in most Police Services but that hasn’t yet made Roadcraft outdated, yet..
My comment was an attempt at
My comment was an attempt at humour, but….
One survey by a Swedish Psychologist found that 93% of drivers thought they were above average. I am certain that every member of IAM is in this 93%
The Swedish study was carried out in the States, but other studies from around the world have shown the same effect. It’s called Delusiory Superiority.
It’s probably something we all suffer from but I reckon IAM members have got moreof it than most of us. You may not get sectioned for it, but I can say (tongue in cheek) that “They are all self deluded”
If prefer it if IAM was
If prefer it if IAM was renamed the Institute of Adequate Drivers.
What do you have to achieve to be an “advanced” driver?:
Drive within speed limits at all times.
Observant. Cognisant of all potential hazards.
Drive at a speed where you can stop within the distance you know to be clear.
Drive with mechanical sympathy.
There is not one thing that is taught which is not necessary for being a safe and considerate driver.
It’s another 10 hours or so of driving training on top of the 10 lessons I had when I was 17.
The organisation’s magazine is quite anachronistic too: lots of articles about going to Scotland or Wales just to drive around winding roads – it still tickles me to see “leisure drive” signs around and about.
Are we a “”fraternity” now
Are we a “”fraternity” now then? Surely the ABD knows that we lefty, lycra clad, wokerati, snowflakes would never stand for that sort of sexist nonsense in Delta Velo Kappa.
Don’t forget tofu eating
Don’t forget tofu eating marxists – I quite like that one.
Mmmmmm tofu. Nom nom nom.
Mmmmmm tofu. Nom nom nom.
perce wrote:
I prefer to knit tiny sweaters for homeless Albanian mice with my tofu.
> if something had suddenly
> if something had suddenly appeared
If something “suddenly” appears when driving, someone is not driving within safe limits.
The ABD won’t disclose its
The ABD won’t disclose its membership numbers but they are generally estimated at fewer than 3000. There are around 34,800,000 licensed drivers in the UK; I guess “The Alliance of 0.0086% of British Drivers” wouldn’t fit on the letterhead?
Rendel Harris wrote:
Maybe we should all join up an vote out the current leadership and vote in someone like Jeremy Vine or Cycling Mikey?
Backladder wrote:
No, because people tell me they’re individuals who are only interested in stoking controversy to enhance their public profile at the expense of everyone’s safety with their inflated stories …*checks news – sees Boris Johnson saying he never lied about partygate* ah… nevermind.
chrisonatrike wrote:
He admitted to lying about partygate, but claims that he didn’t know that he was lying so it doesn’t count and he had his fingers crossed anyway.
Did he? I though he admitted
Maybe he got some advice on these tricky definitions from that noted lawyer Bill Clinton?
Ah, the Sturgeon defence..
Ah, the Sturgeon defence..
I miss Martin.
I miss Martin.
(With apologies to rich_cb)
(With apologies to rich_cb) Not interested in maps?
chrisonatrike wrote:
?
NOtotheEU wrote:
It’s possible the ABD might be able to supply you with contact details.
I should email them as I’m
I should email them as I’m itching to know how this is the cyclists fault, why the driver was very skilled and how he’d shoehorn in a sly reference to your scary video.
NOtotheEU wrote:
Have you tried a telescopic sight?
eburtthebike wrote:
Very cruel . . . but also very funny!
Association of Bad Drivers
Association of Bad Drivers tries to excuse bad driving in shock announcement. Need I say more?
Bunch of motorists claim that
Bunch of motorists claim that motorists are not to blame for poor quality of their motoring.
Does one have to be British
Does one have to be British to be in the Alliance of British Drivers? Is this for gammons only?
For full membership you must
For full membership you must have the following:
A twitter account, a subscription to the MailOnline, Drive a German branded estate car and (optional) be a tory donor
Off the back wrote:
And less than a plurality of brain cells.
eburtthebike wrote:
A twitter account, a subscription to the MailOnline, Drive a German branded estate car and (optional) be a tory donor— eburtthebikeAnd less than a plurality of brain cells.— Off the back
Tories don’t ride bikes?
Tories don’t ride bikes?
From the article :
From the article :
“However, in general, I can say that there can be extenuating circumstances if something had suddenly appeared in the way that the driver needs to make more room for it.”
It would appear that at one time Gloucestershire Constabulary agreed with this statement.
https://road.cc/content/news/nmotd-674-driver-inconveniences-cyclist-288521
However they seem to have changed their minds in this almost identical example.
https://road.cc/content/news/near-miss-day-848-299017
May be the Alliance of British Drivers aren’t aware of this apparent change in the enforcement of poor driving around cyclists and need to be educated.
extenuating circumstances
extenuating circumstances could be something which are likely to be distracting the drivers mental state, In which case they really shouldnt be behind the wheel in the first place.
How it can ever be an excuse to endanger another road user is deplorable. How about “Sorry I mounted the pavement and mowed down 3 children on the way to school, there were extenuating circumstances that led me to make a poorly judged decision, your honour”
“Extenuating Circumstances” –
“Extenuating Circumstances” – of course there can be, but you’d better be prepared to argue them in court. In my experience the main extenuating circumstance seems to be “My lord I was totally incapable of lifting my foot off the accelerator – and as for putting my foot on the brake, well …? Oh come on, be reasonable!”
Of course, if the driver was concentrating so hard on the cyclists, there is the well known effect of steering in the direction you’re looking.
Neil Greig is the person who
Neil Greig is the person who excused IAM publications publishing anti-cycling rants from its members (the one I originally complained about contained the suggestion that it was “the lycra brigade’s” fault if they were injured for not using a cycling facility if there was one).
Given they’ve just published another fact-free anti-cycling missive, I’m not so sure that IAM walk the walk.
I get the same feeling
I get the same feeling reading that as I do when I hear somebody explain that GPS speed limiters would be a bad thing as they couldn’t accelerate out of trouble. If you’re driving well there are very few (if any) situations where easing off or braking isn’t the best option.
Nonsense. We all know that
Nonsense. We all know that for the sudden appearance of
cyclists in front of youtidal waves, landslips, falling chimneys, terrorist (or other) attack the only thing to do is put pedal to metal…chrisonatrike wrote:
You forgot the many many times when you’re on tower bridge and they start to raise it so you have to accelerate to jump the gap, maybe we could automatically disable the gps limiter for that 100 yard stretch of road?
Oh yes, good point that could
Oh yes, good point that could happen to anyone. And there are more widespread used for this safety feature. Suppose you’ve started driving over a level crossing after the lights were flashing (who can see them when it’s sunny?) and sirens sounding (can’t hear those inside!). Possibly having carefully driven around a half-barrier to avoid being hit by it. What can you do to avoid the train except accelerate!
And if you find you’ve gone past a red light which hadn’t become established…
Actually, it’s a wonder they fit cars with a brake, the number of times the accelerator can get you out of trouble!
bobbypuk wrote:
GPS limiter? Imagine how boring the Dukes of Hazzard wuld have been…
I think this could be reduced
I think this could be reduced to “Association of Bad Drivers” want the right to drive badly and are angry about laws that prohibit gambling with other people’s lives.
They haven’t been able to provide a single example of a situation where a close pass would be safer than hanging back and waiting …because there isn’t one.
The ABD is basically just a Facebook group for the homicidally incompetent.
I feel the need to spread The
I feel the need to spread The Association of Bad Drivers far and wide.
I will attempt to use it wherever possible in place of its handy acronym which might confuse a reader with it being a meritorious organisation worthy of being listened to.
Perhaps if the driver sees
Perhaps if the driver sees someone on the right-hand side of the road about to throw a brick at a cyclist ahead of their vehicle, but it’s quite a narrow road and the driver intervenes to prevent the brick from hitting the cyclist, taking a dent to the side of their vehicle in order to save the cyclist from serious injury, but close-passing them (at low speed, of course) in doing so…?
“Not allowing the full width
“Not allowing the full width may have been the only way out from an even worse situation. I want to say that we are not different tribes – drivers and cyclists”.
2 pieces of metal hitting each other versus turning your lump of metal into a human being… We are different tribes!
no problem
no problem
close pass me on my bike and the footage goes to the police, I’m up to 100 video submisdions so far this year to police, the drivists have to start thinking is it worth getting somewhere 5 seconds quicker or a fine or earning letter
ZERO TOLERANCE FROM ME
I’m up to 100 video
I’m up to 100 video submisdions so far this year to police, the drivists have to start thinking is it worth getting somewhere 5 seconds quicker or a fine or warning letter
This is a sad delusion: none of them are getting fines or points, some of them may be getting warning letters, which are worthless because if the driver does it again, they just get either nothing or another warnng letter next time.
‘The driver of this vehicle
‘The driver of this vehicle decided to pass a group of cyclists at excessive speed and far too closely.’
That oncoming vehicle was driven at the cyclists, given the driver had the whole lane to stay in but chose not to; I would put that action in the same category as a deliberate ‘punishment’ close pass, not the usual impatient close pass overtake.
There are situations where I
There are situations where I don’t mind being passed at a distance that is too close legally. A difficult road to pass on for long stretches, and a car that is accelerating from my speed and thus passing at a small speed difference, for instance. If the driver is reasonably certain that they may pass without having to hit me even if traffic appears from the other direction, and they keep 0.5m instead of 1m of distance – I’m not mad. It’s not ok, but the driver is obviously mindful of my safety, so I’m not angry about it. Also, if the lane is almost, but not quite, wide enough to pass at 1.5m, and the driver has slowed down reasonably, I forgive it.
What I do very much mind is blasting past me with 100km/h, likely more, barely not hitting me with the mirror while gambling that they will make it past me before the traffic coming the other way is there. When you see cars coming the other way doing evasive manouevres, you have every reason to be concerned about your safety. Worse than that is only this kind of close pass when there is no traffic whatsoever, purely to scare and “punish” me for being on the road. This gives you no warning and the shock and the rush of adrenaline is something else. These kinds of maneouvres have genuinely made me want to sit at the side of the road and cry.
There is close passing and there is close passing – not that I’m condoning or approving of it, but you can close pass without risking life and limb of those you pass, and if you show appropriate respect for my safety without adhering to the law to the letter, I’ll look the other way and bear you no hard feelings.
how is a driver mindful of
how is a driver mindful of your safety by leaving you only about a foot and a half ? theyre still prioritising themselves above you by not waiting for a safer space to overtake, the average road bike handle bar width is about 40-42cms, so theyre giving you handlebars and a tiny bit extra as space, thats not enough room unless theyre stationary.
I get that over the years as a rider you get de-sensitized to being passed closely, and that many of the passes we experience technically break the 1.5m, and remember at 100kph it should be more than that, but feel “normalised” in the context of you are used to it, you can cope with it, and there arent enough hours in the day to report every single pass like that.
but I think theyre still wrong and we shouldnt allow them to be acceptable, as I think the consequence of allowing them is alot of drivers then adopt a, well as long as we dont hit you I can pass you attitude that results in the 0.5metre and less passes. Theyve probably never sat on a bike and been passed by a vehicle that closely or understand the draft their vehicle is creating in those situations
I got passed yesterday by an SUV, probably 3-4feet away,so a technical violation but probably wouldnt have triggered me normally, though they had a whole lane free they could have used so not sure why they chose what they did. But with the strength of the wind I was riding into and the size/speed of the vehicle there was a huge aero wash off it as they passed that felt like I got kicked 6 inches sideways, probably less in reality but when the draft hits you like that it feels quite a big push and quite horrible, and could have meant I then hit something on the road my original line had been avoiding or even lost control completely and ended up in a ditch, or worse down on the road so the next vehicle behind can drive over me.
none of which would have been potential outcomes had the driver given me the space, that they had and could have given, but chose not to because they didnt hit me right, and it wasnt that close, but they clearly werent aware in their sealed box the effect the wind can have and what effects their vehicle has in the wind.
What else would you expect
What else would you expect from the Alliance of Bad Drivers?