Damaged car sought after hit and run left cyclist dying at roadside

Stephen Osborn wrote:

Gkam84 many thanks for your post but as Timothys father, yep thats my son you are talking about. Hers the info all confirmed by police !

1. My Son was were a Hi Vis Motorcycle Jacket.

2. he was not using headphones to listen to music ( he wasnt that stupid)

3. His front light was still on ( new last week hi quality led light) about 3 hours after he was knocked of his bike.

4. The rear light again new last week and hi quality led light ( both costing him nearly £40.00) was still on when found during teh daylight this morning.

5. The point of impact was 9" from the curb !

6. he was travelling along a straight piece of road around 9pm last night when he was driven thru by a van doing at least 60MPH. NO SKID marks ! he/she didnt stop

My son travelled that road on his belovid bike since he was 10 years old ! at night if he heard a vehicle coming up behind him he would ride up on the pavement then back on the road after it had gone - According to teh police he didnt get that chance last nite.

Like many you obviously choose what you see on TV as what always happened. Personally I thought your comments very hurtful - I just hope you dont have to go thru what we are going thru at the moment !

Stephen, Firstly I am very sorry for your loss.

But please don't take my whole comment as aimed at your situation. I was merely trying to point out to Paul M who posted above me that we as the general public knew nothing at the time of this article coming up on Road.cc.

My post was in no way suggesting any of comments were correct or right to your son's situation. I was trying to stop the normal host of comments on here that sometimes get out of hand. By saying we knew nothing of the situation I would have been unfair of anyone to lay the blame anywhere until the facts of the incident were known.

Now you have informed us. I would tend to agree with Paul M that it does amount to murder and I feel genuinely sorry for yourself and your family at this awful time.

I hope the police apprehend the culprit swiftly and the justice system does its job. All to often this does not seem to be done.

Again, I am very sorry for your loss.

Keith

Paul M wrote:

This amounts to murder. I hope the Lincolnshire plod are pursuing this with the vigour that they would investigate any other murder.

No it really does NOT amount to murder.

We know NOTHING about the incident apart from the poor guy was hit by a car.

Was the cyclist wearing hi-vis? His lights working? Did he have lights?......etc

So many questions that will be known to the general public.

I was watching one of those police, camera, action programs not so long ago. A cyclist had been knocked down and died. No car at the scene or any witnesses. So the police started their investigation into it all. Not long after a driver called in to report she had hit something in that general area. She thought it was an animal and drove home. Where her father and B/F told her to phone the police as it didn't look like it was an animal she hit.

The cyclist had NO lights, was wearing dark clothes and cycling in the middle of the carriageway.

I saw the same programme. A few points.....

How the fuck can you do as much damage to a car as the woman in question did and not know?

Plod didn't pursue the case because they knew they would'nt have enough evidence for a conviction.

She not stop to find out what she struck.

She'd hit something so large it came close to writing her car off. She didn't stop because she knew she'd hurt someone and shat herself. Later in a fit of guilt she admitted she "may have hit something."

Unless you are pissed up or drugged up or driving an HGV you'd know if you hit something weighing 60kg+ with sufficient force to kill it and you'd stop. Doing nothing is inhuman and criminal, plain and simple. If it wasn't your fault or you weren't pissed or drugged why would you not stop or not help if you did stop?

Banging your fist on a car window is loud enough to make any car driver jump if they ain't expecting it. Striking a car with lethal force? Shockingingly loud. "Sorry mate I didn't hear you bounce off my bonnet."? Sorry mate this woman's argument and by association, your argument doesn't hold water.

The wearing of Hi-Vis and helmets is not a legal requirement. Working lights after dark are.

Helmets don't prevent injuries from car/bus/lorry strike, just injuries from falling off your bike at less than 5mph.

In this case, unless this poor individual was struck by someones bus or lorry, or the driver was drunk/drugged, the driver knew what they were doing.

My condolences to his family and friends

Dear Stephen, sincere condolences to you, your family and Timothy's friends. It must be a terrible time for you all.

I would take issue with Gkam regarding the last sentence. A cyclist is entitled to as much of the road as they need to cycle safely. Generally this means cycling 0.5 - 1 meter from the kerb but potholes, draincovers etc often require moving out further into the carriageway. When I feel threatened by traffic passing too close I will often cycle further out to make traffic slow down and to be more visible. It also gives more safety space if vehicles turn left in front of you. I am sure they feel I am being deliberately obstructive but I only do it when I feel necessary.

This site has useful information http://www.access-legal.co.uk/free-legal-guides/sharing-the-roads-with-c...

Pitchpole wrote:

I would take issue with Gkam regarding the last sentence. A cyclist is entitled to as much of the road as they need to cycle safely. Generally this means cycling 0.5 - 1 meter from the kerb but potholes, draincovers etc often require moving out further into the carriageway. When I feel threatened by traffic passing too close I will often cycle further out to make traffic slow down and to be more visible. It also gives more safety space if vehicles turn left in front of you. I am sure they feel I am being deliberately obstructive but I only do it when I feel necessary.

Did you read the passage above my final sentence?

I think some perspective needs to be given here, So I've tracked down the program I was talking about and got a link. This may be upsetting to some people. So if you think it might upset you. Please do not watch it and come back here to have a go at me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjbZ2q-k_O0&feature=player_detailpage#t=2...

My first comment on this article was only pointing out that we knew NOTHING at the time it was posted and for people NOT to jump on the bandwagon before we knew any facts.

I was not comparing this incident to what I saw on TV, just saying that without the facts we could not judge anything.

Stupid comment. Stupid name.

SpamSpamSpam wrote:

Stupid comment. Stupid name.

Is that yourself your talking about

Gkam84 wrote:

Paul M wrote:

This amounts to murder. I hope the Lincolnshire plod are pursuing this with the vigour that they would investigate any other murder.

No it really does NOT amount to murder.

We know NOTHING about the incident apart from the poor guy was hit by a car.

Was the cyclist wearing hi-vis? His lights working? Did he have lights?......etc

So many questions that will be known to the general public.

I was watching one of those police, camera, action programs not so long ago. A cyclist had been knocked down and died. No car at the scene or any witnesses. So the police started their investigation into it all. Not long after a driver called in to report she had hit something in that general area. She thought it was an animal and drove home. Where her father and B/F told her to phone the police as it didn't look like it was an animal she hit.

The cyclist had NO lights, was wearing dark clothes and cycling in the middle of the carriageway.

Ho hum - here we go again. Congratulations Gkam84! Once again your posts are dong their usual job.

Seriously - ever since last week when it was pointed out by a number of other road.cc-users I've been going back and seeking out your posts. They were right - you really are inexcusable. Your posts are very often aggressive, intimidating, sometimes threatening, always opinionated and frequently ill-informed. And here you are again - rubbing salt into the wounds of a recently bereaved family.

What is wrong with you man? In all seriousness - please stop. I know it seems to you like you are getting your point across and 'setting the world to rights' but there are real people with real lives on the end of all the unpleasant crap that you write. I've often wondered what it is about the internet that causes people to behave like you? Hopefully you are not like this in your 'real' life...try acting like a human being and less like a troll - please!