Simon joined road.cc as news editor in 2009 and is now the site’s community editor, acting as a link between the team producing the content and our readers. A law and languages graduate, published translator and former retail analyst, he has reported on issues as diverse as cycling-related court cases, anti-doping investigations, the latest developments in the bike industry and the sport’s biggest races. Now back in London full-time after 15 years living in Oxford and Cambridge, he loves cycling along the Thames but misses having his former riding buddy, Elodie the miniature schnauzer, in the basket in front of him.
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The quality of mercy is not strained,
it droppeth as a gentle rain from heaven above...
I'm not really sure that this argument bears anything out other than a logical fallacy.
Cars 30 years ago were inherently unsafe, should we therefore remove all modern safety features from cars because drivers have survived?
BS - cars have never been ‘unsafe’. It has been the operators that have been the problem. Look at that tragic incident in Birmingham last week. It never ceases to amaze me individuals are granted licenses to operate machinery on the roads.
Not true, it wasn't the cars that were unsafe but the operators, have the operators improved in their behavior/habits since more 'safety' features have been added, I think not, quite the opposite, it's just that the tech sometimes gets them out of trouble and protects them, however such are the lowered behavioural issues with those feeling protected they still manage to globally kill 1.25million people and maim tens of millions and still suffer a ridiculously large ampount of head injuries (greater than in any other aspect in our society) despite airbags, crash protection systems, seatbelts tracgtion control and all manner of driver aids and protection systems.
Remove all 'safety' features and those outside the vehicle benefit massively(the reverse of what happened when seatbelts were brought in), change the behaviour/actions of those that are unsafe or remove them from the machinery that they harm with instead of trying to mask the problem through ever increasing tech that is flawed massively. Helmets would never ever be proposed as a solution to something that wasn't ever a problem until others decided to use a weapon to kill and maim with it, the problem would be taken out of the equation not add PPE as this is the final option as we know it is the weakest aspect of addressing safety.
I managed to drive a 850kg vehicle with no power steering, no airbags, no crumple zones, no impact beams and had basic non inertia seatbelts without harming another person or making anyone feel threatened. I never died driving it nor was ever injured, I don't see that it is the vehicle itself but the attitude of the driver that needs modifying and adding so called safety aids has a direct negative effect on that attitude/way of behaving, just as some people on bikes have their behaviour modified when they think they are safer by wearing a plastic hat.
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FFS. It's obvious this is the wrong approach. Rich_cb is a witch and any fool can prove it. Throw him in front of a car with his helmet. If he survives without appreciable damage (although it seems it will be hard to measure the functioning of his/her brain) then s/he is a witch. If s/he doesn't then s/he is innocent.
Also have you considered the Rich_cb i may actually be a clever TensorFlow project trained up on all the years of helmet drivel comments?
If the comments reach 400 will the Internet explode??
One can only hope.
400th post spot prize!
Nope
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I go away for 24 hours and this thread is still alive...
Die Die Die
It's long since become nothing more than sarky put downs. Yawn.
this thread as become a bit like a long ride, you get halfway in and your arse hurts, your legs ache, your hands and shoulders are stiff, your mind is reeling at thought of going for two or three more hours, but then, having reached your target, you just don't wanna stop any more, you've become one with the bike
Are we nearly half way there yet?
Not sure, how long is a piece of string?
So, anyone got any opinions about plastic spokes vs metal ones?
http://www.berdspokes.com/
Do they provide the same 'zing' as metal spokes and what can be done about it?
More likely to consider environmentally sound bamboo.
You're completely forgetting about the weight/tensile strength of bamboo. Wooden't you need to make it heavier to approach the strength of metal?
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Come back with some graphs and we can discuss.
Well, I've posted the one above, but as it's you, have another one free of charge.
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Oops - wrong graph. Should have been this one:
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OK, 400 and counting and the internet didn't explode...
road.cc admins: are you able to set a maximum threadcount and/or can we have a dedicated new forum ('helmet arguments'), as this is beginning* to get really silly.
*Actually, it got silly a loong time ago...
won't somebody please think of the pandas!
Pandas offer greater protection than polystyrene?
Who'd've thunk it?
With all the "environmentalists" complaining about destruction of habitats and concreting over the Brazilian rain-forest, why don't they put their hands in their pockets and buy helmets for pandas?
Surely they're worth protecting aren't they?
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You're interpreting it wrong.
Fall in cyclist deaths correlates with a marked increase in pandas?
Cyclists* are protecting pandas. Fooking hippies.
*Might also be pedestrians.
1. Panda populations are rising, this correlates with the rise in helmet usage on UK built up roads (94-08) data
2. Cycling pandas wear helmets (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FISOPJU0whE)
3. QED
I'm sorry, but this panda stuff isn't simply black and white.
Quite, there are red pandas as well.
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