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Mon, Feb 11, 2019 21:14
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11 February 2019, 21:14
Weekend catch-up: Tory MSP talks nonsense about cycling + more
Conservative MSP argues that a bike could do more damage than a car in a collision
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A Conservative Member of the Scottish Parliament (MSP) who told a Holyrood committee that a bike could do more damage than a car in a collision was put straight by a transport expert who told him he was making “a minor point.”
Dr Adrian Davis told MSP Edward Mountain: “The science is about mass. There is an equation about that. It’s the mass of the vehicle that’s going to do more damage.
“Being hit by an HGV is the one you really don’t want to get hit by because you’ll be dead. I think there is a bit of difference with respect, chair. The mass is most important.”
Click through on the headline for the full story.
Suspended sentence for motorist who doubled back to deliberately drive into cyclist
A driver has been handed a suspended sentence after he deliberately ran down a cyclist near Plymouth. Paul Nodder, aged 37, chased and knocked over Jeff Stevenson after the cyclist remonstrated with him for driving with his head down.
Click through on the headline to read more.
Cyclist frustrated with bus company that lost his complaint about driver who pulled out on him
A Bristol cyclist who was nearly crushed between a bus and a 4×4 has spoken of his frustration after his complaint about the driver who pulled out on him was lost by operator First Bus.
The incident, which happened in Clifton last December, is the latest in a string of incidents involving its buses that have resulted in complaints by cyclists to the company.
11 February 2019, 21:14
Teenage cyclists escorted off the M6 at night
Two teenage cyclists were escorted off the M6 motorway yesterday evening, with the Central Motorway Police Group saying on Twitter that it was “a fatality waiting to happen.”
Two lads aged 19 and 17 stopped cycling home along lane one of the M6 between Stafford and Wolverhampton in the pitch black. This was a fatality waiting to happen! They thought it was safer than to turn round on the entry slip. The mind boggles!
— CMPG (@CMPG) February 10, 2019
11 February 2019, 21:14
Re the cyclists pulled off the M6...
Dummies. Isn’t it strange though that the hard shoulder of a motorway is, rightly, considered unsafe but we paint metre-wide cycle lanes on trunk roads like the A34 and A45 and think ‘job done’.
— Black Country Ste (@CCSteV) 10 February 2019
This commenter has a very fair point, if you’ve ever experienced riding on a dual carriageway…
11 February 2019, 21:14
Human bike lane formed on Glasgow street to highlight safety issues
People of All Ages Formed a Human Bike Lane Today for Safer Cycling on University Avenue https://t.co/dIJXWYck59 pic.twitter.com/qIkc1I9Tcx
— GoBike (@GoBikeGlasgow) February 10, 2019
The protest yesterday on University Avenue, Glasgow involved residents, university staff, students and others to call for segregated cycle lanes to be installed – at the moment it’s simply some painted lines that disappear at the top of the hill. Read more on gobike.org.
11 February 2019, 21:14
Women's charity cycling group "devastated" by theft of bikes appeal for their return
The Liverpool Loopline women’s charity cycling group fell victim to a burglary, with bikes, tools and equipment stolen from their locked container at Norris Green Park in the city. Two brand new Apollo Virtue Bikes were among the items stolen. Club Secretary Helen Ball said: “It is devastating to us. The bikes were so new, not only does it mean women without bikes will no longer be able to participate in our weekly rides, but it is a big confidence blow to the group. For those gaining pace with their cycling, they may re-consider buying a bike for themselves for fear of having it stolen.”
The group was formed in 2017 with financial support from Cycling UK to purchase bikes and grow a women’s cycling community, with members taking advantage of the health and social benefits through cycling with the club. The theft occurred overnight between Monday 4 and Tuesday 5 January, and ayone with potential information can contact Merseyside Police on 0151 709 6010. If you have a bike to donate to the group you can do so through Cycling UK by contacting their press offfice by email at publicity@cyclinguk.org
11 February 2019, 21:14
On the forum: let us know your experiences with considerate drivers!
It’s not all near misses and Ronnie Pickerings out there (in fact these incidents are a minority), as demonstrated by a great forum thread started OldRidgeback… our favourite so far is the driver tailing a cyclist at night because he wasn’t in a hurry and thought the cyclist might like some extra light to guide him through the lanes! Join in with your tales of courtesy here.
11 February 2019, 21:14
Bont Helix and Vaypor S now available in reflective versions
…and lucky for us, the Helix Reflective has just turned up at road.cc HQ. Featuring “the latest in retroreflective technology” according to Bont, their Reflex collection consists of reflective versions of their top-end Helix and Vaypor S road shoes only.
11 February 2019, 21:14
Oregon driver who killed cyclist while high on Xanax prescribed to her dog is convicted of first-degree manslaughter
KTVZ reports that 42-year-old Shantel Witt, who hit and killed cyclist Marika Stone while under the influence of a number of drugs, has been convicted of first-degree manslaughter and will serve up to 15 years in jail after a Deschutes County judge rejected a second-degree manslaughter conviction as Witt’s defence had sought.
The case was unusual as the defence didn’t dispute that Witt’s car had caused the death of 38-year-old Stone, a keen cyclist who won her age category at the Sea Otter Classic in the previous year before the fatal incident in December 2017. They sought a second-degree manslaughter charge because they disputed that Witt had shown a shown an “extreme indifference to the value of human life”, the definition of first-degree manslaughter in the state of Oregon; however two friends of Stone who were riding with her on the day provided witness statements to the contrary saying that Witt had shown no remorse for what she had just done. It’s reported she was angry at the “the fu**ing bicyclists” and also saying “this is bulls**t”.
Witt was found to have nearly a dozen prescription drugs in her system following the crash, several without a prescription including the Xanax which had been prescribed for her dog. Several witnesses testified she’d slurred her words, spoke slowly and appeared to be drunk. Witt would have faced a maximum of ten years for second-degree manslaughter, but now faces up to 15 for first-degree manslaughter plus several other misdemeanour charges, including DUII-drugs, two counts of recklessly endangering and possession of oxycodone and other drugs.
11 February 2019, 21:14
This should help to deter near misses...
Bike meets something… amazing. No idea what but it was impressive. #tallbike #bike #NewOrleans #nola pic.twitter.com/fOtY6ENz86
— Mikael Colville-Andersen (@colvilleandersn) February 11, 2019
11 February 2019, 21:14
Nailed it...
…or should that be screwed over? Anyhow check out the fourth photo in this gallery for possibly the most unfortunate puncture we’ve seen in recent times, from a CX race in West Sussex!
11 February 2019, 21:14
Chpt3 launch updated signature Brompton
The new version costs £1,990 in the UK and is limited to a run of 1,000 bikes. Improvements include a fabric scoop saddle, 6 speed gearing on all bikes, new Schwalbe One 35mm tyres and Fabric slim dual texture kraton rubber grips. They can be ordered online on the Brompton X CHPT3 landing page now, click here for more info.
11 February 2019, 21:14
US amateur female cyclist, 50, banned for 4 years for doping
A 50-year-old amateur cyclist in the United States has been banned for four years after testing positive for an androgenic-anabolic steroid at the Capital City Cycling Classic in Michigan.
The United States Anti-Doping Agency said that Jennifer Pate, of Birmingham, Alabama had accepted the suspension, which resulted from a urine sample collected on 11 August last year, the day of the competition.
USADA CEO Travois Tygart said: “Regardless of the competition level, athletes deserve to be on the starting line knowing that their competitors are free of powerful performance-enhancing substances that can impact the results of races they have worked hard to prepare for.
“USA Cycling’s RaceClean initiative and others like it are giving athletes the knowledge and tools they need to compete clean, while also ensuring that those who choose to use performance-enhancing substances to get an edge are held accountable,” he added.
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Simon joined road.cc as news editor in 2009 and is now the site’s community editor, acting as a link between the team producing the content and our readers. A law and languages graduate, published translator and former retail analyst, he has reported on issues as diverse as cycling-related court cases, anti-doping investigations, the latest developments in the bike industry and the sport’s biggest races. Now back in London full-time after 15 years living in Oxford and Cambridge, he loves cycling along the Thames but misses having his former riding buddy, Elodie the miniature schnauzer, in the basket in front of him.
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chrisonabike 5 hours ago
@Rendel Harris "Perhaps lethality should be measured as drivers/cyclists found guilty of causing death per chosen metric, rather than simply numbers killed?" Given the filter of the court system that would a) likely only introduce another source of bias and b) mean the cycling numbers had dubious statistical meaning relative to the motoring ones since after removing e-motorbikes (unless we didn't? But even then...) that is ... one or two in the last 5+ years?
Rendel Harris 5 hours ago
@mdavidford You've made me curious so checked: in Devon and Torbay (in common with many councils, apparently), any project under £500,000 can be internally approved by the Corporate Director for Strategy, Performance, and Sustainability, whereas any project costing in excess of £500,000 needs a full cabinet vote. So it looks suspiciously as though there's been a bit of jiggery-pokery with the numbers to avoid full cabinet scrutiny.
ceppm 5 hours ago
From the screenshots, the software looks very similar to the Coospo CS600. I used it for a tour in Ireland and on the first day, I realised that the map of Ireland wasn't loaded by default. I could see my route as breadcrumbs but not the road or anything else around me. It looked very similar to what you saw when you went off-route. Are you sure you had the map of Scotland in your unit? Luckily for me, at the end of the first day, after tons of searches, trials and errors, I managed to download the map of Ireland into my phone, connect the Coospo to my phone as an external drive and upload the map. Not an easy task but that solved the problem. For the next five days I had a proper map to navigate. Regardless of that, I sent it back. Loading routes into it was a real PITA, the routes the app plotted were terrible compared to Komoot's and it didn't have re-routing.
AidanR 5 hours ago
@Rendel Harris I'm not sure why trips made is a better metric than miles travelled, but yes, that does yield a 9x difference for cars vs bicycles in pedestrian deaths. The real anomaly using that basis, though, are motorcyclists, who are a staggering 72x more likely to kill a pedestrian per trip than a cyclist. That suggests that speed, more than mass, is the real danger. And that young men are the greatest danger of all.
Rendel Harris 5 hours ago
@chrisonabike Indeed, you put your finger on another problem with the fatality statistics in that we don't know in how many of the fatal incidents the driver/cyclist was to blame. If the two cyclist-caused-pedestrian fatalities the pedestrian was drunk and fell off the pavement into the path of the cyclist that could obviously change the lethality ratio considerably if factored in. Perhaps lethality should be measured as drivers/cyclists found guilty of causing death per chosen metric, rather than simply numbers killed?
chrisonabike 5 hours ago
Finally (on cyclists and junctions) cyclists may not be as observant themselves there. While junctions are high-mental-workload spaces (or should be...) for all road users I suspect cyclists - mixing with the motor traffic - are going to be focusing strongly on that for obvious reasons. Which is again why in places which are more advanced in this respect not only are junctions given better designs *, but network-level thought goes in to routes for each mode, the better to minimise the need for interactions. Especially when speeds might be higher. * Separation in space and/or time when modes cross, explicit space for different modes so it's clear who goes where / what to expect...
chrisonabike 5 hours ago
I'm not sure about the "60% of pedestrians killed at junctions are killed by cyclists" number, but i *could* believe it's relatively high. Why? Other "qualitative differences" - "noticeability" and "expectation". In the simplest sense cyclists are smaller and quieter than motor vehicles. (There's a lot of "looking with our ears" when eg. crossing roads believe). But more: in the UK we *expect* cars. We've learned to deal with cars both by formal teaching and daily experience. We know "how drivers behave" - where to expect them. I strongly suspect it's not just drivers "only looking for the motor vehicles". We don't *expect* cyclists. And (if taken at face value) there's a lot of quote anecdata that people are genuinely surprised by them / completely unfamiliar with cyclist behaviour on roads (except "they all jump red lights"...) - "came out of nowhere" / "never saw them" / " they were down the road, then suddenly they were right there" / wasn't expecting them to"...
chrisonabike 5 hours ago
A key one is "speed" as obviously injury is strongly related to that, and the 20-30mph region is where IIRC "mostly injured" crosses over to "mostly killed". Cars would be expected to be at higher speeds, for more of the time. That may be reduced in some places however eg. congested rush hours, and where "mixing" may be most likely the environment may cue lower speeds (narrow streets).
chrisonabike 5 hours ago
Stepping back, given that humans operate both cars and bikes maybe a *qualitative* "what differs" might be instructive? (Putting to one side for a moment what may be mostly a motornormative prejudice: that drivers are in some way "more responsible". Variations "more to lose because they've paid for a car" / "but trained and licenced" / "more accountable because number plates" / "only (man)children and crims who can't afford cars cycle" etc).
Rendel Harris 5 hours ago
@AidanR I wonder how it would change the stats if one looked at deaths per trip? According to the NTS the average person makes 15 cycle trips a year and 357 as a car driver, so 23x more driving trips than cycling ones but 182x the pedestrian deaths so by that calculation cars are 8x more lethal. Take out the 20% of car trips on motorways and you have one death per 51M trips motoring and one death per 487M trips cycling, so motoring becomes almost 10x more lethal. I know one can make statistics do anything one wishes by changing the metrics but that figure seems a more realistic approximation of relative lethality to me. All this of course is before we count all the other deaths caused by motorists that cyclists almost never cause, i.e. motorcycle riders, car passengers etc, almost five times the pedestrian numbers, cars then become 50x more lethal than bikes...
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Why didn’t the teenagers on
Why didn’t the teenagers on the M6 just walk back on the grass the otherside of the barrier? It must have been obvious after a very short interval that it was a motorway.
hirsute wrote:
They’re teenagers.
Ronnie Pickering – never
Ronnie Pickering – never heard of him.
People predictably get
People predictably get hysterical about cyclists on the hard shoulder of a motorway. I haven’t done in the UK because it is illegal but I have done it in Montana, Idaho, Utah and Colorado and riding on a 10ft wide “cycle lane” well away from traffic always felt a lot safer than many single and dual carriageways that I normally have to use. I don’t think it is just the traffic volumes on motorways that make it unthinkable but more the attitude of drivers.
Dingaling wrote:
Huh? It isn’t a case of being hysterical, it’s just plan common sense. 70MPH+, heavy flow, auto pilot mentality, debris, and the point of the hard shoulder is it is somewhere to breakdown in/emergency vehicles etc. Drivers aren’t looking out for a cyclist and nor should they be. Yep, many dual and single carriage ways aren’t much better but in most cases a cyclist can avoid them if they so choose.