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Residents: ‘It’s bad enough having a cycle path near our homes, let alone by a place of rest’

Residents of Denbigh are outraged by a plan to build a cycle path alongside a cemetery in town.

The Vale of Clwyd cycle route and the Denbigh walking and cycling network have been under consultation, and this week it was announced that a planning application would be submitted next year despite “strong opposition” to the route alongside Ystrad Road Cemetery.

According to the North Wales Daily Post, Denbighshire Council is in favour of the sustainable travel route despite concerns that cyclists would be passing as burial ceremonies were carried out.

According to the consultation document: “The route follows the former railway line past playing fields and Denbigh High School on the left to pass beneath a minor road and a cemetery on the right with backs of gardens directly on the left.”

The Denbigh Town Plan, drawn up by the council, highlights the need for residents being able to commute ‘safely and sustainably to jobs which are available elsewhere’, an aim that brought them to the consultation on the bike path.

Ian Evans, who lives nearby said: “I find it disgusting and disrespectful that Denbighshire Council are actually proposing to put the cycle track on the grounds of the cemetery on Ystrad Road.
“It’s bad enough putting it slap bang at the back our properties let alone on top of a place of rest.
“I’m all for a cycle track but please DCC be a little sympathetic as to where it goes.”

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Dr.Galactus [18 posts] 3 years ago
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But roads, roads are fine?

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teaboy [307 posts] 3 years ago
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I assume the residents of the graveyard have not objected, and that the ex-railway was built after the cemetery.

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userfriendly [617 posts] 3 years ago
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"It’s bad enough having a cycle path near our homes"

Err ... what?

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Max_headset [19 posts] 3 years ago
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The strip of land is an old track bed of a disused railway is on land owned by the council which the residents have been trying to buy to extend gardens and has been deliberately left open not to become part of the cemetery. The railway was originally bought after Beeching closed it by the old Council to build a new relief road around Denbigh on it but in the end chose a greenfield route in the 70's. The new route would be a great asset to the area almost certainly increase cycling locally both for recreation as well as commute-lite as it will pass the High School which lies near by. These residents organised a similar hate campaign in the 90's which saw large bill boards of white elephants alongside the A525 and published letters from residents alongside cycle paths elsewhere in the UK that experienced video players and other items being stolen by passing thieves on bikes. The Daily Post hates cyclists anyway. Fight fire with fire and riders write the post to express support

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Argos74 [452 posts] 3 years ago
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I read the whole report, failed to find the offending bit of path going past the cemetery, but was impressed by the overall plan. Just over a 100km away from me, so could be there in time for lunch with a reasonably early start. And be looking for B&Bs and places to buy cake.

It's a beautiful part of the world, and things like this would encourage me to visit and spend a few days and some money there.

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giff77 [1283 posts] 3 years ago
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Having read what Max_headset says and looking at google earth it does look like a good plan. The cemetery appears to be bordered by mature trees (legacy from the railway perchance?). So no chance of disturbance there. I do think the issue is that some of the residents of the estate backing onto the track bed are a bit miffed that they have been unable to purchase this land as their original gardens appear to have been built on with extensions and whatever.

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james-o [239 posts] 3 years ago
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"concerns that cyclists would be passing as burial ceremonies were carried out."

What concern is that, that fluo jackets will clash with the black theme of the day?

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Leviathan [2863 posts] 3 years ago
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Anti-cycling jerks are becoming increasingly perverse in their objections, or is it just the media reporting more nut jobs because cycling has become a hot topic.

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willythepimp [116 posts] 3 years ago
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I like the pre victorian idea on cemetery's being a public space where you can enjoy parties and fetes and include your deceased loved ones in feast days community events ect. Life goes on and it was Victoria and the years she spent mourning that made the general public forget the celebration of life in favour of constant boo hooing for the dead.

Let 'em cycle and stop wingeing.

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Velo-Chris [17 posts] 3 years ago
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giff77 wrote:

I do think the issue is that some of the residents of the estate backing onto the track bed are a bit miffed that they have been unable to purchase this land as their original gardens appear to have been built on with extensions and whatever.

I have a suspicion that you may be correct, a little short sighted if that is the case. Studies in the US have shown that property adjacent to regional cycle routes benefits from both an increase in value and desirability in the event of a sale. With the boom that our sport is going through over here these benefits could be significant.

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Guyz2010 [304 posts] 3 years ago
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Really don't see what can be so bad about a cycle track. People like this are exactly what is wrong with progression with public infrastructure in England. Why do the authorities even listen to daft comments I do not know.

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allez neg [496 posts] 3 years ago
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I blame all those sportive riders crimping one off behind the gravestones.

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Al__S [1275 posts] 3 years ago
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South of Cambridge, NCN 11 passes through a churchyard (with old graves) at Whittlesford.

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Some Fella [890 posts] 3 years ago
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Ian Evans - seen today

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allez neg [496 posts] 3 years ago
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Careful now

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FluffyKittenofT... [1882 posts] 3 years ago
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Just don't use this route in the event of a zombie apocalypse.

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OldRidgeback [2826 posts] 3 years ago
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Guyz2010 wrote:

Really don't see what can be so bad about a cycle track. People like this are exactly what is wrong with progression with public infrastructure in England. Why do the authorities even listen to daft comments I do not know.

True, but this is in Wales not England.

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Max_headset [19 posts] 3 years ago
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link to report on forcibly abandoned cycle track in the 90's http://70.33.241.140/~coedy216/Lon%20Clwyd/Lon%20Clwyd%20Report.pdf

and in the daily post picky the cycle track is not that bit of track in the foreground its that large strip of green by the houses in the background.. as ever the delightful Kelly picks up a story from the disgruntled resident, does some research on facebook, fails to contact the guy from the Council and slants the story against big brother at the council. . hoping the controversy might raise falling sales in Denbigh of the next few issues.They used to allow readers to comment on web site stories but the facility was removed to reduce options to criticise them.

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drfabulous0 [409 posts] 3 years ago
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userfriendly wrote:

"It’s bad enough having a cycle path near our homes"

Err ... what?

That's what I was wondering, pity he didn't elaborate.

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IHphoto [119 posts] 3 years ago
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And what is the difference compared to people walking in graveyards? Or should they need appointments? AFAIK they are public spaces and indeed anyone can turn up to a funeral - if that's their want (unless the ANC ban you). It's completely spurious nonsense with a clear self-interested and spiteful agenda.

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The _Kaner [1147 posts] 3 years ago
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Scared the funeral cortege will be hampered by slow moving cyclists....  24
How very dare they!

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a.jumper [850 posts] 3 years ago
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james-o wrote:

"concerns that cyclists would be passing as burial ceremonies were carried out."

What concern is that, that fluo jackets will clash with the black theme of the day?

Cool. I've a new justification for my black Rapha kit: I don't want to offend funerals that I pass.

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a.jumper [850 posts] 3 years ago
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Al__S wrote:

South of Cambridge, NCN 11 passes through a churchyard (with old graves) at Whittlesford.

Not far north of Cambridge, the A149 passes through a cemetery near King's Lynn south gates and the Norwich ring road goes through one between Bowthorpe Road and B1108 Earlham Road. Must be something about the East of England.

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w jones [6 posts] 3 years ago
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Let's not change anything and to go back to living in caves...move on move out the less petrol we use the better cycling rules...

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Guyz2010 [304 posts] 3 years ago
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OldRidgeback wrote:
Guyz2010 wrote:

Really don't see what can be so bad about a cycle track. People like this are exactly what is wrong with progression with public infrastructure in England. Why do the authorities even listen to daft comments I do not know.

True, but this is in Wales not England.

Oops! my error....gaaahh foregign country they can do what they like  3

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Leviathan [2863 posts] 3 years ago
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OldRidgeback wrote:

True, but this is in Wales not England.

Guyz2010 wrote:

Oops! my error....gaaahh foregign country they can do what they like  3

Well Welsh geography and English spelling don't seem to be your forte.

Wales is certainly not a 'foreign' country (and neither is Scotland, shut up Alex,) even if it is a different 'country.' Wales is a country, England is a country and the UK is a country. Or maybe Wales and England are Nations but the UK is a State.

confused? This might help
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10

If Wales is foreign you must have been really disappointed to see the like of AP McCoy, Leigh Halfpenny and foreigner Andy Murray winning the Sports Personality, especially beating Englishman Chris Froome. The less said about that marauder Geraint Thomas stealing our Olympic spots and winning our gold medals the better.

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OldRidgeback [2826 posts] 3 years ago
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a.jumper wrote:
Al__S wrote:

South of Cambridge, NCN 11 passes through a churchyard (with old graves) at Whittlesford.

Not far north of Cambridge, the A149 passes through a cemetery near King's Lynn south gates and the Norwich ring road goes through one between Bowthorpe Road and B1108 Earlham Road. Must be something about the East of England.

One of Edinburgh's cycle routes is on an old railway line and goes right past a graveyard.

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Guyz2010 [304 posts] 3 years ago
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bikeboy76 wrote:
OldRidgeback wrote:

True, but this is in Wales not England.

Guyz2010 wrote:

Oops! my error....gaaahh foregign country they can do what they like  3

Well Welsh geography and English spelling don't seem to be your forte.

Wales is certainly not a 'foreign' country (and neither is Scotland, shut up Alex,) even if it is a different 'country.' Wales is a country, England is a country and the UK is a country. Or maybe Wales and England are Nations but the UK is a State.

confused? This might help
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10

If Wales is foreign you must have been really disappointed to see the like of AP McCoy, Leigh Halfpenny and foreigner Andy Murray winning the Sports Personality, especially beating Englishman Chris Froome. The less said about that marauder Geraint Thomas stealing our Olympic spots and winning our gold medals the better.

Think you need to chill out or did you never have a sense of humour!

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Max_headset [19 posts] 2 years ago
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Just thought I would post this update a year later...... In the end shock horror the Planning Committee ignored officer advice and voted against it. Will try to get list of councillors that voted against in case you get the chance next election to vote them out.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/council-reject-denbigh-cycle-...

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wycombewheeler [1237 posts] 2 years ago
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drfabulous0 wrote:
userfriendly wrote:

"It’s bad enough having a cycle path near our homes"

Err ... what?

That's what I was wondering, pity he didn't elaborate.

Probably mis-heard and is concerned about psycopaths behind the houses.

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