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Why don’t cyclists use cycle lanes? Because it’s a car park; Government shuts down latest mandatory helmet question; Toughest job in pro cycling commentary; Police horse rider catches phone-using driver; Strike day, bike day + more on the live blog

Welcome to Wednesday on the live blog… Dan Alexander is back in the hot seat for this one
  • by Dan Alexander
Wed, Mar 15, 2023 09:16
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SUMMARY

  • Toughest job in pro cycling commentary? The first six hours of San Remo
  • Those pesky horse riders catching phone-using drivers again
  • Strike day, bike day
  • Government shuts down latest mandatory helmet question
  • Major London LTN "here to stay" after successful trial increases walking and cycling levels
  • "I think I raced with two today": Lotte Kopecky takes emotional victory just days after death of her brother
  • Herd of goats brought in to weed Trouée d'Arenberg ahead of Paris-Roubaix
  • A busy 24 hours in the cycling world — what might you have missed?
  • Some balance from The Spectator: "Stop demonising cyclists"
  • Does a heavier cyclist descend hills quicker? We strapped weights to ourselves to find out
  • Redcar and Cleveland to host British National Road Championships
  • Have a great evening...
  • Why don't cyclists use cycle lanes? Because it's a car park...
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15 March 2023, 09:16

Toughest job in pro cycling commentary? The first six hours of San Remo

If you’ve just sat down at your desk this morning (kudos for dipping into the live blog for some early procrastination) take a look at the clock, count forward six hours and imagine what you’d do if until then you had to talk, pretty much non-stop about cycling. Ready? 3. 2. 1…. 

The last time I watched the race at home, I had it on the projector, faded it out to black and white, turned off the commentary and put the soundtrack to Koyaanisqatsi own instead. Then I fell asleep.

— Ned Boulting 🏳️‍⚧️ (@nedboulting) March 15, 2023 

15 March 2023, 09:16

Those pesky horse riders catching phone-using drivers again

It is Cheltenham week after all…

Officers from @ASPoliceHorses have been supporting #OpTelecom, our operation to clamp down on the risk posed by drivers who use their phone at the wheel. This driver was sighted & stopped on East Reach, #Taunton. Drivers face 6 points & £200 fine if caught using a phone.#FATAL5 pic.twitter.com/sW3YXWcaMU

— ASPolice Roads Policing (RPU) (@ASPRoadSafety) March 14, 2023

Get your best gags in the comments…

WARNING: anything involving ‘why such the long face’ WILL result in disciplinary action…

15 March 2023, 09:16

Strike day, bike day

London Bridge on Tube strike day. Nice day for a walk or bike ride… never seen the City so busy on a strike day pic.twitter.com/lI0voKw397

— Ross Lydall (@RossLydall) March 15, 2023

London’s network of Cycleways is really busy today. 🚲🚲🚲🚲🚲

Please cycle safely and be considerate of others – it’s not the Tour de France! pic.twitter.com/niCliHzk4B

— Will Norman (@willnorman) March 15, 2023

15 March 2023, 09:16

Government shuts down latest mandatory helmet question

2023 Abus Powerdome MIPS helmet.jpg
2023 Abus Powerdome MIPS helmet (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
2023 Abus Powerdome MIPS helmet.jpg
2023 Abus Powerdome MIPS helmet (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Yesterday, Labour’s MP for Liverpool Walton, Dan Carden, had a written question for the Department for Transport… 

For what reasons the government will not make it a legal requirement for cyclists to wear helmets?

 In reply, the Minister of State for the Department for Transport said the government “recommends that all cyclists wear helmets, as set out in the Highway Code” and “particularly encourages children to wear helmets”.

> Endura designs “world’s most graphic cycle helmets” featuring CAT scans of cyclists’ brain injuries to encourage helmet wearing

“Helmet wearing is strongly advised in the Bikeability programme and school children are taught the correct way to fit them. A 2018 safety review considered mandating helmet wearing for all cyclists but concluded that this would deter many people from cycling and therefore any safety benefits would undermine wider health and environmental benefits,” the reply came.

15 March 2023, 09:16

Major London LTN "here to stay" after successful trial increases walking and cycling levels

Stoke Newington LTN (Hackney Council)
Stoke Newington LTN (Hackney Council) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Stoke Newington LTN (Hackney Council)
Stoke Newington LTN (Hackney Council) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Stoke Newington’s low-traffic neighbourhood will be made permanent following a successful trial, Hackney council has announced. Introduced in September 2021, the LTN has increased walking levels on Stoke Newington Church Street by 16 per cent, with cycling levels up 38 per cent too.

On top of the promising stats, six-in-ten respondents to a council survey said they wanted to make the scheme permanent.

The analysis also looked at the levels of traffic over 24 hours across five roads in the area and found levels dropped by 80, 48, eight and four per cent in four of the locations, while one was up eight per cent.

“Hackney is an importer of traffic, with 40 per cent of vehicle journeys neither starting or ending in the borough, and we know that road transport is a significant contributor to climate change. That’s why we have a vision for a low traffic Hackney, where transformed streets help to create a greener, healthier Hackney for all of our residents,” Cllr Mete Coban said.

15 March 2023, 09:16

"I think I raced with two today": Lotte Kopecky takes emotional victory just days after death of her brother

Hero of the day/week/month goes to Lotte Kopecky, the SD Worx star who just won Belgian semi-classic Nokere Koerse solo, the win made all the more impressive by the fact her family suffered the passing of her brother on Saturday, aged 29.

Lotte Kopecky: “I think I raced with two today.”

Absolutely stunning mental strength there after losing your brother a couple of days before

— José Been (@JoseBeenTV) March 15, 2023

Utterly speechless at that performance from Lotte Kopecky. She understandably doesn’t celebrate across the line as she wins Nokere Koerse. I can’t imagine how she must be feeling, yet her strength and dominance is just breathtaking. Pure dignity and class ❤️ #NokereKoerse

— Katy M (@writebikerepeat) March 15, 2023

“I made the choice to race today,” she said at the finish. “I really wanted to race today no matter what. These were not easy days, it’s just no use to let your head hang and today I just wanted to race, I’m happy that it worked out and I think today I raced with two.” 

Lotte Kopecky vince la Nokere ma non esulta.
Non alza le braccia al cielo.
Le sue compagne la abbracciano dopo il traguardo.

Lotte Kopecky ha perso il fratello 3 giorni fa. Questa vittoria non può che essere per lui 🙏❤#EurosportCICLISMO #NokereKoerse pic.twitter.com/7sfwqniPTQ

— Eurosport IT (@Eurosport_IT) March 15, 2023

15 March 2023, 09:16

Herd of goats brought in to weed Trouée d'Arenberg ahead of Paris-Roubaix

If they aren’t Thibaut Pinot’s goats then someone’s missed a trick here…

♻️ Pour préparer le parcours de #ParisRoubaix, le désherbage de la Trouée d’Arenberg se fait par éco-pâturage.

🐐 Dans le cadre de l’opération “Les Biquettes de l’Espoir”, ce sont une 40aine de chèvres et moutons qui s’attèlent à désherber 2 300 mètres de pavés ! pic.twitter.com/Z7RPKTCzfo

— Paris-Roubaix (@parisroubaix) March 15, 2023

15 March 2023, 09:16

A busy 24 hours in the cycling world — what might you have missed?

The big news this lunchtime? No, not the Budget… Pidcock’s out of Milan-San Remo…

2023 Strade Bianche Pidcock © Zac WiLLIAMS SWpix.com (t-a Photography Hub Ltd)  - 2.jpeg
2023 Strade Bianche Pidcock © Zac WiLLIAMS SWpix.com (t-a Photography Hub Ltd) - 2 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
2023 Strade Bianche Pidcock © Zac WiLLIAMS SWpix.com (t-a Photography Hub Ltd)  - 2.jpeg
2023 Strade Bianche Pidcock © Zac WiLLIAMS SWpix.com (t-a Photography Hub Ltd) – 2 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Tom Pidcock to miss Milan-San Remo after concussion diagnosis

Also on the news front, active travel campaigners have lost their High Court legal challenge over the decision to rip out the High Street Kensington cycle lane back in December 2020. Full story here…

On the tech front, Mat had a big scoop yesterday…

2023 Campagnolo Super Record Wireless 3
2023 Campagnolo Super Record Wireless 3 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
2023 Campagnolo Super Record Wireless 3
2023 Campagnolo Super Record Wireless 3 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Campagnolo is definitely going wireless and ditching thumb levers… and these pictures prove it

While editor Jack got his fine-tooth comb out for a look at the All Party Cycling and Walking Group’s meeting one year on from the major Highway Code changes. Let’s just say the adjective “disappointing” was fairly prominent…

> “Disappointing”: Department for Transport drops out of All-Party meeting on Highway Code changes as publicity issue discussed

And to top off a hectic day of action on all fronts… some more grim news from the bike industry…

> Bike industry turmoil continues as Forme bikes and Lake cycling shoes distributor enters liquidation

15 March 2023, 09:16

Some balance from The Spectator: "Stop demonising cyclists"

Last week we, quite reasonably I’d suggest, highlighted a column in The Spectator from Mary Dejevsky which was branded “ill-informed” as she attacked the decision to sentence Auriol Grey, the woman found to have caused the death of an elderly cyclist in Cambridgeshire during a pavement cycling dispute, to three years in prison.

> “Ill-informed” Spectator writer under fire for coverage of manslaughter sentencing for pedestrian who caused cyclist’s death

Well, for balance, here’s today’s offering…

Spectator column 'Stop demonising cyclists'
Spectator column 'Stop demonising cyclists' (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Spectator column 'Stop demonising cyclists'
Spectator column 'Stop demonising cyclists' (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

“Yes, we should punish those cyclists guilty of egregiously antisocial or downright hooliganish behaviour. But we must also drop this culture-war-style animosity against cyclists. More than that, we should as a society in general become more bike positive. Let’s call it the spoke agenda.

This is the country that invented the modern bike, and it remains a wonderful achievement of our civilisation. And if you don’t believe me, get back on the bike and find out for yourself how much fun it can be.”

Read the full piece here…

15 March 2023, 09:16

Does a heavier cyclist descend hills quicker? We strapped weights to ourselves to find out

> Does a heavier cyclist descend hills quicker? We strapped weights to ourselves to find out

15 March 2023, 09:16

Redcar and Cleveland to host British National Road Championships

 
 
 
 
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A post shared by British Cycling (@britishcycling)

Here’s where the jerseys will be decided this year…

As per British Cycling, the championships will begin one day earlier than usual with the time trials on Wednesday 21 June, due to local restrictions and venue availability, and further details of the route will be released in due course.

The circuit races will then take place on Friday in Redcar town centre before the road races on the Sunday, starting and finishing in Saltburn.

 Local rider Charlie Tanfield said it’ll be a “special” event. “I cannot wait to go to Redcar in June. Having raced at the Tour of Britain last year, the crowds were amazing and I’m really hoping to claim another national podium this year.”

Full details of the routes and profiles will be announced in due course…

15 March 2023, 09:16

Have a great evening...

The live blog will be back in the morning, in the meantime I’m going back through the horse-related puns in the comments for not the first time this afternoon… you’ve outdone yourselves…

15 March 2023, 09:16

Why don't cyclists use cycle lanes? Because it's a car park...

We often joke semi-facetiously that the reasons why we might not use a cycle lane are well into the thousands by now… poor condition, terrible routing, painful give way lines… the list goes on. But bike lane blockages, namely by those who’ve ‘just popped to the shops’ or are ‘just dropping something off’ would be right up there in the top ten reasons, we’d assume…

“There’s a car park 20 meters away”: Cyclists slam cycle lane parking putting riders in dangerhttps://t.co/ENa2l6sMQP #cycling pic.twitter.com/rbTbLLdqlg

— road.cc (@roadcc) March 14, 2023

Yep, this is yesterday’s story about the cycle lane in Bristol on… *checks notes* Park Row… that is, well, yep, you see the irony…

> “There’s a car park 20 metres away”: Cyclists slam cycle lane parking putting riders in danger

The story prompted a bit of discussion about the issue in the comments, the perfect start to a live blog in my book…

pete666 reckons we could have a job for Danny MacAskill, “to ride over the offending vehicles”, while eburtthebike was (jokingly) outraged at the fact the nearest multi-storey car park is a whole 20 metres away…

“You expect me to walk twenty metres?!  Quite, quite mad.”

Even Google Maps’ Street View has captured the absurdity of the situation…

Park Row Bristol (Google Maps)
Park Row Bristol (Google Maps) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Park Row Bristol (Google Maps)
Park Row Bristol (Google Maps) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Owd Big ‘Ead: “If Bristol is anything like Derby, it would appear that double yellow lines and a continuous white line denoting a cycle lane count for nothing. Whether loading, or not, vehicles of all kinds are allowed to park wherever they like with absolutely no chance of enforcement measures against them.

“It makes me wonder what the actual point of putting cycle lanes in at all, is all about. Are councils really that hard-pressed that they will take any government funding available, whether needed or not, just so that they can go through the exercise of ticking a box or two and believing that they are doing their bit?

“There is one 20 metre contraflow section in Derby city centre that is constantly full of private hire taxis every Friday and Saturday night, where you are already dodging pissed up revellers then turn a corner to find the cycle lane full of cars and a bus coming headlong at you with nowhere to go.

“I’ve queried this lack of enforcement with the groups of police that wander the streets keeping the pissed up yobbos from scrapping and all you get is a shrug of the shoulders or ‘try walking if you don’t like it’!!”

Oldfatgit: “Makes me laugh that the same people moaning about cyclists pointing this stuff out, will be the same people that moan that cyclists never use the cycle lanes”

HoldingOn: “There are several cars parked on the solid line cycle lane on my route to/from work every day. It really bothers me when nothing is done about it. People I’ve spoken to about it usually respond with ‘I didn’t know you weren’t allowed to park in a cycle lane’.

“Ignorance is not an excuse to break the law, however I do think Bristol council could help remove any form of doubt, by putting a cover over the parking meter so drivers don’t see the parking sign on its side and think its okay to park there.”

Sriracha: “‘Park Row’ — maybe it’s nominative determinism?”

15 March 2023, 09:16

Rishi Sunak urged by Walking and Cycling Alliance to reverse proposed cuts to “essential” active travel funding

Rishi Sunak urged by Walking and Cycling Alliance to reverse proposed cuts to “essential” active travel funding

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  1. hawkinspeter
    March 15, 2023 at 9:39 am
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    There’s been some problems

    There’s been some problems with horse riders losing their way at night, so they now sell saddles with lights fitted so the riders can see more clearly.

    It’s basically saddle-light navigation

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    • chrisonabike
      March 15, 2023 at 9:51 am
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      People at some stables I pass

      People at some stables I pass sometimes tell me this is causing problems.  Lots of riders are now rushing in there in the evenings to borrow their power supply then milling about, leaving horses and riders scattered everywhere.  They call it the “charge of the light brigade”.

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    • STiG911
      March 15, 2023 at 9:51 am
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      hawkinspeter wrote:

      There’s been some problems with horse riders losing their way at night, so they now sell saddles with lights fitted so the riders can see more clearly.

      It’s basically saddle-light navigation

      — hawkinspeter

      Ba-Dum, tish…

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    • Steve K
      March 15, 2023 at 9:52 am
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      hawkinspeter wrote:

      There’s been some problems with horse riders losing their way at night, so they now sell saddles with lights fitted so the riders can see more clearly.

      It’s basically saddle-light navigation

      — hawkinspeter

      Chapeau

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    • nniff
      March 15, 2023 at 10:45 am
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      hawkinspeter wrote:

      There’s been some problems with horse riders losing their way at night, so they now sell saddles with lights fitted so the riders can see more clearly.

      It’s basically saddle-light navigation

      — hawkinspeter

      So you’re saying they can see more clearly now the rein has gone?

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    • JustTryingToGetFromAtoB
      March 15, 2023 at 11:42 am
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      It’s a night-mare for those
      It’s a night-mare for those poor, victimised otherwise law-abiding drivers on their phones.

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  2. ChuckSneed
    March 15, 2023 at 9:41 am
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    I never use the cycle lane
    I never use the cycle lane for this reason among many others. It’s safer and easier to just ride in the middle of the road. Cars can see you and just have to slow down and wait to safely drive on the other side of the road to overtake, so you don’t risk getting knocked over. And there’s the bonus of not having to ride in the dirty gutter. We cyclists deserve better.

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    • AltBren
      March 15, 2023 at 10:08 am
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      I realised recently that if
      I realised recently that if you ride past a certain level/speed the responsible thing to do is to go on the road with the other fast and dangerous vehicles. If you’re zipping past the bikes in the bike lane, you’re a danger to the other cyclists and pedestrians near them..

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    • ChrisB200SX
      March 15, 2023 at 10:53 am
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      ChuckSneed wrote:

      I never use the cycle lane for this reason among many others. It’s safer and easier to just ride in the middle of the road. Cars can see you and just have to slow down and wait to safely drive on the other side of the road to overtake, so you don’t risk getting knocked over. And there’s the bonus of not having to ride in the dirty gutter. We cyclists deserve better.

      — ChuckSneed

      You mean lane rather than road.

      You mean drivers not cars, as cars cannot see.

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  3. hawkinspeter
    March 15, 2023 at 10:02 am
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    I wonder what percentage of

    I wonder what percentage of drivers are okay with mounted police catching them? Probably need a gallop poll to find out.

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  4. NickSprink
    March 15, 2023 at 10:02 am
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    PC Plod breaks into a canter

    PC Plod breaks into a canter

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  5. Rendel Harris
    March 15, 2023 at 10:18 am
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    Driver subsequently banned

    Driver subsequently banned under trotting up procedure…

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  6. brooksby
    March 15, 2023 at 10:23 am
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    Local knowledge: the white

    Local knowledge: the white SUV you can see on the streetview image above, with its BOLAS flashing, is parked there for 1-2 hours Every.  Single.  Day.  (during the week, anyway), and belongs to the noodle shop.  The bit it’s parked on is double yellows and painted as entry to the cycle lane, but hasn’t been protected with wands.

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  7. HoarseMann
    March 15, 2023 at 10:30 am
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    Driver gets 14 year sentence

    Driver gets 14 year sentence for manslaughter: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-64961466

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    • Patrick9-32
      March 15, 2023 at 10:36 am
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      How could that be

      How could that be manslaughter and not murder? What could the intention of a driver who hits a person on a motorbike deliberately at 70mph after chasing them possibly be anything other than to kill them? Manslaughter requires that there was either lack of intent or diminished responsibility. Neither seems to be the case here. 

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      • Rendel Harris
        March 15, 2023 at 11:00 am
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        The last line of the report:

        The last line of the report:

         “Had Fair applied emergency braking when she realised she was gaining rapidly on the motorbike, the collision could have been completely avoided, which inevitably could have prevented Thomas from being injured.”

        makes it sound as though a defence was accepted that she was chasing him and misjudged closing speeds; in the absence of any video or witness evidence that she deliberately deviated in order to hit him it would be pretty difficult to prove murder. It sounds like one of those cases where only the culprit can really know whether or not she deliberately crashed into him.

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        • ShutTheFrontDawes
          March 15, 2023 at 11:13 am
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          Indeed. There did seem to be
          Indeed. There did seem to be a ‘reason’ for the driver to be chasing the motorcyclist – to follow what she thought was a stolen vehicle. Proving mens rea is very difficult and it sounds as though the driver had no motive for killing the motorcyclist; especially since in doing so she would likely have destroyed the vehicle she apparently wanted to recover.

          (NB. I use the word ‘reason’ carefully but I in no way mean to imply that recovering a stolen vehicle justifies driving at far in excess of the speed limit)

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      • panda
        March 15, 2023 at 11:24 am
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        The prosecution doesn’t need

        The prosecution doesn’t need to convince the jury that the accused intended to kill the victim, only that they intended harm and that serious injury or death were a likely result.  Weirdly, attempted murder does require that death was the intent which is why it’s harder to get convicted of.

        I can only assume that the proecution team thought a jury might buy a defence of “I didn’t intend to knock him off” so murder wouldn’t stick, but they had a decent chance of a manslaughter conviction.

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        • OnYerBike
          March 15, 2023 at 12:00 pm
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          Murder requires more than

          Murder requires more than intent to harm – it requires intent to kill or cause grievous bodily harm, and requires the defendent to feel sure that death or GBH to the victim is a virtual certainty as a result of their actions. 

          So that is a relatively high bar for the intent. It is not enough to intend harm and be aware that serious harm is possible, or even probable. 

          https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/homicide-murder-and-manslaughter

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      • HoarseMann
        March 15, 2023 at 11:34 am
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        Patrick9-32 wrote:

        How could that be manslaughter and not murder?

        — Patrick9-32

        Initially they were charged with murder: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-61825383

        I guess they couldn’t prove there was intent.

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  8. mark1a
    March 15, 2023 at 10:36 am
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    I’m thinking these horse puns

    I’m thinking these horse puns in the comments were not the mane point of road.cc’s article about mounted police. 

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    • Clem Fandango
      March 15, 2023 at 10:29 am
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      Are mounted police officers

      Are mounted police officers clip-clopped in?

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      • eburtthebike
        March 15, 2023 at 12:55 pm
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        Clem Fandango wrote:

        Are mounted police officers clip-clopped in?

        — Clem Fandango

        For god’s sake, rein in the comments; they’re making me bridle.

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  9. ChrisB200SX
    March 15, 2023 at 10:54 am
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    Mane focus of video?

    Mane focus of video?

    Driver was having a ‘mare that day.

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  10. chrisonabike
    March 15, 2023 at 11:29 am
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    Pleased to see the police

    Pleased to see the police taking a different tack on policing road safety.  I hope they’re also stopping riders jumping red lights – particularly tall ones.

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  11. Sriracha
    March 15, 2023 at 12:01 pm
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    The horse thing is great, but
    The horse thing is great, but really no need. A simple walk along the pavement on any urban road with congested traffic will turn up dozens of mobile-using drivers. See’em all the time.

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    • eburtthebike
      March 15, 2023 at 12:52 pm
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      Sriracha wrote:

      The horse thing is great, but really no need. A simple walk along the pavement on any urban road with congested traffic will turn up dozens of mobile-using drivers. See’em all the time.

      — Sriracha

      They need the horse as a witness.

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      • Sriracha
        March 15, 2023 at 1:34 pm
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        Otherwise the driver won’t
        Better hope it wasn’t a gelding as they can’t testify.

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    • PRSboy
      March 15, 2023 at 1:30 pm
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      I think it serves to prove

      I think it serves to prove the effect that phones have on driver attention, in that they fail to notice a police officer towering above them on a horse.

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      • essexian
        March 15, 2023 at 4:31 pm
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        Your comment reminds me of

        Your comment reminds me of this video:

         

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  12. chrisonabike
    March 15, 2023 at 12:02 pm
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    RE: Will Norman’s comments on

    RE: Will Norman’s comments on London cycling.  On one hand, he’s just reflecting “man in the street” views on this.  However it’s a bit sad coming from someone who’s supposed to be leading progress on this – surely you could have chosen something a bit more positive?  Not entirely surprising from him though – when he was appointed he and team seemed to have zero grasp of transport cycling (link to archived version of David Arditti’s old site).

    Compare and contrast with Chris Boardman.

    This is as usual all a result of this being right at the very start of cycling (possibly) becoming a recognised normal mode of transport in London again.  It’s not really a big issue where cycling is normal.  Indeed in those places the focus is on how to make it *easier* for cyclists to keep up a good speed as having lots of stop-start is a great way to make cycling effortful.  On the flip side, in urban areas average motor vehicle speeds can be below a normal person’s cycling speed due to waiting at lights.  Making cycling more direct / avoiding lights (or the main motor infra entirely) is a great way to make this mode attractive and travel more efficient.

    As with any activity once you get enough people though you’ll find some people doing odd things…

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  13. ShutTheFrontDawes
    March 15, 2023 at 12:33 pm
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    “Hackney is an importer of
    “Hackney is an importer of traffic, with 40 per cent of vehicle journeys neither starting or ending in the borough”

    Can anyone explain what this is supposed to mean?

    If 40% of vehicle journeys in/through Hackney neither start nor end in Hackney, doesn’t that mean that 60% of vehicle journeys in/through Hackney do start or finish, or start and finish in Hackney?

    The comment made seems to imply that Hackney’s traffic problems are caused by outside influence, but in fact the majority of journeys seem to involve Hackney as a start/finish/both.

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    • andystow
      March 15, 2023 at 2:03 pm
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      It’s clear to me. Something

      It’s clear to me. Something doesn’t have to be the majority to be significant. If they could magically remove 40% of the cars from their roads, wouldn’t that have a huge affect on the convenience of the remaining drivers who are starting and/or ending their journeys in Hackney?

      (at least until induced demand kicked in)

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      • ShutTheFrontDawes
        March 15, 2023 at 2:50 pm
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        I don’t see why they’re
        I don’t see why they’re focusing on that 40% though, which is why I don’t understand why they even mention it. LTNs are supposed to have a double benefit of reducing the traffic coming through the zone as well as reducing the amount of vehicle journeys required for people within the zone by making active travel more attractive.

        If they’re saying “look we can have an LTN that prevents traffic coming through and it’ll only remove 2 in 5 cars, the other 3 in 5 will still be here, and they’ll probably be moving faster too”, I think that’s a pretty rubbish solution.

        I just don’t understand what the point of the statement is.

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        • chrisonabike
          March 15, 2023 at 3:47 pm
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          Nah – people always take what

          Nah – people always take what they do themselves as a “given” and want to point to others as causing the problems.  I bet “keep the roads for local residents, down with these off-comer motorists” is always a winner…

          More sensibly – 40% of traffic is still a lot of vehicles.  As others have pointed out motor traffic is so space-inefficient that quite small changes in the numbers can make a noticable difference.  Allowing for induced demand / traffic evaporation effects of course (locals might just make more trips by car locally…).

          Don’t see any contradiction myself.  If 40% of the traffic on the current through-routes (which are likely to be significant for within-borough trips to get from A to B also) disappeared maybe there’d be e.g. more support for taking space for a cycle track?  That could certainly feed back to make cycling a more attractive mode for some of the 60% of traffic making journeys within-borough or terminating / leaving there, no?

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          • Jitensha Oni
            March 15, 2023 at 7:13 pm
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            A complete argument depends

            A complete argument depends on absolute numbers too not just percentages. On the other hand, I was under the impression that a lot of the idea was to reduce the number of 2-5 km car trips – which would mean most of those that both start and finish in a London-sized borough – so you need to do something about the 60% too, or removing the 40% alone just makes life easier for the 60% driving. You discourage unnecessary motor travel by filtering, ULEZ, congestion charging (the stick) and adding high quality cycle tracks (the carrot).

          • chrisonabike
            March 15, 2023 at 9:13 pm
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            Jitensha Oni wrote:

            A complete argument depends on absolute numbers too not just percentages. On the other hand, I was under the impression that a lot of the idea was to reduce the number of 2-5 km car trips – which would mean most of those that both start and finish in a London-sized borough – so you need to do something about the 60% too, or removing the 40% alone just makes life easier for the 60% driving. You discourage unnecessary motor travel by filtering, ULEZ, congestion charging (the stick) and adding high quality cycle tracks (the carrot).

            — Jitensha Oni

            Good point.  And yes the short trips are indeed the low-hanging fruit for modal shift.  I don’t know the motivation of the LA.  I was wondering whether it was an attempt to get locals on-side by pointing at those outside the borough.  Of course there is always a danger that if you make more space on roads other drivers will come along and to fill the space…

      • Robert Hardy
        March 16, 2023 at 9:46 am
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        Plus their residents might
        Plus their residents might not like it if they got clamped the moment they tried to exit their neighbouring boroughs on non common borders.

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  14. Awavey
    March 15, 2023 at 1:18 pm
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    The police certainly used
    The police certainly used their horsepower to reign that cowboy in, they weren’t foaling around and it was a sure bet they were favourites to win that race and saddled him with a night mare even if he claimed neigh officer only a foal uses a mobile phone whilst driving.

    OK I’m done 😉

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    • Awavey
      March 15, 2023 at 1:20 pm
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      Wait i forgot to ask did the
      Wait i forgot to ask did the horse go neigh naw neigh naw as a siren ?

      OK definitely done 😉

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      • PRSboy
        March 15, 2023 at 1:29 pm
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        Bravo… you’ve got the bit

        Bravo… you’ve got the bit between your teeth now!

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    • Clem Fandango
      March 15, 2023 at 1:37 pm
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      You take the prize for best

      You take the prize for best effort so far….. at a canter I may add

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    • swldxer
      March 15, 2023 at 2:46 pm
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      “rein in”

      “rein in”

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      • mark1a
        March 15, 2023 at 3:09 pm
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        Let’s not stirrup a fuss, it

        Let’s not stirrup a fuss, it was still funny…

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        • chrisonabike
          March 15, 2023 at 3:33 pm
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          I think they should ban these

          I think they should ban these low-horsepower vehicles from the carriageway…

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    • kinderje
      March 15, 2023 at 3:37 pm
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      Definitely snaffled a prize

      Definitely snaffled a prize with those puns, now change tack and tackle something else.

       

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  15. belugabob
    March 15, 2023 at 1:53 pm
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    Four wheel drive caught out
    Four wheel drive caught out by for hoof drive

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  16. Rendel Harris
    March 15, 2023 at 4:44 pm
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    Cyclists not just invisible

    Cyclists not just invisible to drivers apparently but also to their own government…

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    • chrisonabike
      March 15, 2023 at 4:57 pm
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      Yup.  Expect Labour to

      Yup.  Expect Labour to proudly carry on this policy of ignoring cycling should they get in though…

      Viewed from Scotland the SNP aren’t exactly stellar either but we have at least a commitment to a reasonable chunk of the transport budget – eventually.  And sections of actual “looks a bit like NL” cycling tracks are getting installed to give an East-West (frequently) separated route across the city centre.

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    • iandusud
      March 15, 2023 at 5:11 pm
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      Clearly our roads are only

      Clearly our roads are only for motorists! The usual old car-centric agenda.

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    • HoarseMann
      March 15, 2023 at 7:33 pm
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      Don’t forget pedestrians…

      Don’t forget pedestrians…
      https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/23383562.woman-nearly-dies-falling-jubilee-road-sinkhole/

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    • wycombewheeler
      March 16, 2023 at 12:23 am
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      Rendel Harris wrote:

      Cyclists not just invisible to drivers apparently but also to their own government…

      — Rendel Harris

      Given a choice between more cycle lanes and all potholes removed, I’d take the smooth surfaces

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      • Rendel Harris
        March 16, 2023 at 5:38 am
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        wycombewheeler wrote:

        Given a choice between more cycle lanes and all potholes removed, I’d take the smooth surfaces

        — wycombewheeler

        How about smooth-surfaced cycle lanes? It shouldn’t be either/or, should it? We can afford £4BN to raise the tax-free allowance for people who can afford to put £60k a year into their pension fund but we have to slash active travel funding?

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      • BalladOfStruth
        March 16, 2023 at 9:28 am
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        wycombewheeler wrote:

        Cyclists not just invisible to drivers apparently but also to their own government…

        — wycombewheeler

        Given a choice between more cycle lanes and all potholes removed, I’d take the smooth surfaces

        — Rendel Harris

        Depends on how you define “smooth surface” – seeing as every aspect of road repair is tailored purely to car use (from which potholes are considered for repair, to repair methods), with no other transport types considered – in my experience many of the repairs are more dangerous to cyclists than the potholes they replace.

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        • wycombewheeler
          March 16, 2023 at 5:43 pm
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          BalladOfStruth wrote:

          Depends on how you define “smooth surface” – 

          — BalladOfStruth

          for clarity – cat litter on the road is not a smooth surface

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  17. Steve K
    March 15, 2023 at 4:45 pm
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    That Spectator article is

    That Spectator article is great.

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    • Eton Rifle
      March 16, 2023 at 4:38 pm
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      Steve K wrote:

      That Spectator article is great.

      — Steve K

      Those five words rarely appear together in that order.

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  18. perce
    March 15, 2023 at 9:49 pm
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    Apparently in the seventies,

    Apparently in the seventies, at the height of his fame, Art Garfunkel, one half of pop superduo Simon and Garfunkel, liked nothing better than to hitchhike through the Derbyshire Dales and Peak District. I don’t know if he ever went to Wigan railway station though. Also famous actor Paul Newman used to holiday in the Peak District. Apparently Elvis Presley was sent on a secret mission to the moon under the Nixon administration, but he never went to the Peak District as far as I know.

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mctrials23 2 minutes ago

@OnYerBike It is silly strictly from a safety perspective for reasons you mentioned but no matter what limit you set, most of your points still stand. Its not stifling innovation either. You can build a 5kg race bike using these top of the line frames pretty easily if you want to. Tech hasn't been held back. Its just a non-event IMO. Perhaps for the women its a bit more silly as their bikes are generally smaller and they are lighter so a heavier bike has more effect on them. What would you say is a reasonable minimum btw?

in: Is it time to reduce the UCI’s 6.8kg bike weight limit? We weigh up the pros and cons
ROOTminus1 3 minutes ago

@mdavidford I'd rather driving students were tested on their ability to demonstrate control of their emotions as much as their control of the vehicle.

in: “This is a nightmare”: Instructor tells learner driver going 15mph behind cyclist in a 20mph zone; First of three Tour de France stages in the Alps + more on the live blog
mitsky 4 minutes ago

1) If the student is frustrated to the point of shouting behind/at a cyclist, what is their response when stuck in queues of slow moving/stationary drivers/motor traffic? 2) If this is the instructor's attitude, they need to lose their teaching qualification and attend re-training to prevent instilling such a negative attitude in learners.

in: “This is a nightmare”: Instructor tells learner driver going 15mph behind cyclist in a 20mph zone; First of three Tour de France stages in the Alps + more on the live blog
mitsky 5 minutes ago

@mdavidford I would argue the same, that this is an ideal situation for an examiner to see what the learner driver's response is. And it is not likely that they will be stuck behind the cyclist for the whole practical exam time, unless the examiner is too stupid to change course if they are...

in: “This is a nightmare”: Instructor tells learner driver going 15mph behind cyclist in a 20mph zone; First of three Tour de France stages in the Alps + more on the live blog
Smoggysteve 8 minutes ago

@mdavidford Point is, as I mention later, people want these and can buy these bikes. I was also highlighting that keeping a weight limit also stop it becoming an arms race. There has to be a technological level playing field or one or two brands will far outperform the rest and that's not what cycling is about. There is enough innovation as it is. But if you start letting bikes become too light it feeds that arms race and there is a chance bikes become so highly tuned and so brittle they just dont last in the hands of an amateur rider. And as im sure you know, all bikes and equipment have to be available to buy and cannot be only available to the pros. so it does affect non racers too actually.

in: Is it time to reduce the UCI’s 6.8kg bike weight limit? We weigh up the pros and cons
mdavidford 11 minutes ago

From the perspective of a testee wanting to pass, that seems like pretty much the ideal situation to encounter on a driving test - tootle along for a while at relatively low speeds where the opportunity to make a serious mistake is low, and in all likelihood the examiner will have to cut short some of the more challenging technical stuff in order to get to their next appointment. (Obviously that's less than ideal for those of us who'd like to see more robust testing, though.)

in: “This is a nightmare”: Instructor tells learner driver going 15mph behind cyclist in a 20mph zone; First of three Tour de France stages in the Alps + more on the live blog
mdavidford 22 minutes ago

This is an article about the professional sport, though, so pointing out that it only affects the professionals seems a little besides the point.

in: Is it time to reduce the UCI’s 6.8kg bike weight limit? We weigh up the pros and cons
Gravel1-2 22 minutes ago

Another article on this that misses a big aspect of reducing the weight limit-sporting parity for lighter riders, especially on the women’s side. By fixing the bike weight at a kg value the lighter riders are stuck riding a bike that is a greater % of their body weight compared to the bigger riders. According to PCS gaia realini weights just 40kg but has to ride the same minimum weight bike as wout van aert at double the weight. It means that she has a 17% bodyweight bike vs wout at 8%. Extremes but shows the inherent unfairness of the fixed min weight across such diversity of body types (and men’s regs applied to women’s sport too-see also handlebar width regs).

in: Is it time to reduce the UCI’s 6.8kg bike weight limit? We weigh up the pros and cons
wtjs 22 minutes ago

@Jakrayan Thanks. This is a standard police tactic, and is another aspect of victim-blaming: they deliberately segment the manpower into tiny groups and say that the problem is the people reporting offences. The police attitude, and I really despise the b******s for it is: if you can't be bothered to get yourselves KSI'd, we can't be bothered to do anything except press the button to send out the routine 'thoughts and prayers' when you ARE KSI'd. We have seen in the 'very stupid police destroy legal EAPC' topic just how thick they are and how little they understand about cycling. The Stagecoach assaults keep coming, because the drivers know how hostile the police are to cyclists.

in: “Fewer people cycling or scooting does not make roads safer”: Minister criticised for suggesting Irish Government would consider mandatory hi-vis and helmets for all cyclists
yodhrin 1 hour ago

@judda6610 Oh please Lord no, don't start telling them they can tell a dodgy bike by the rider not pedalling, I can already imagine the dimwitted local rozzers pulling me over and seizing my bike to crush as I desperately try to explain the concept of "riding downhill" to them.

in: Police to stop using “bogus” e-bike speed test as charges against delivery cyclist who had £6,000 cargo bike seized and destroyed are dropped

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