A Carmarthenshire cyclist who received a close pass from an aggressive driver who then parked up to shout at the rider and his companion, began filming the aftermath – including the motorist repeatedly yelling, “Do you remember smacking my car?” and telling him, “You don’t f*cking live here, you live in Llangadog, now f*ck off!”
Race organiser and contributor to our sister site off-road.cc Matt Page told us that the incident happened last week “just outside my home town of Llandovery and the road is the A483.
“I was riding with a friend at the time and doing a good pace and it’s a dead straight road with no traffic and that is why I have absolutely no idea why he was so irate as he passed initially,” Matt said.
“He close passed us tooting, then stopped in the middle of both carriageways 100 metres later and started shouting, so obviously has a big issue with cyclists in general.
“After driving off he was stopped, waiting for us to come along and his stance and manner, I knew he was about to start something, which is why I started filming,” Matt continued.
The footage shows the driver asking, “What’s your name?” with Matt telling him, then saying, “First of all you overtook us when we were riding legally two abreast, completely legal … ”
“So you were blocking the entire road, preventing anyone from overtaking?” the driver responded.
“Excuse me,” replied Matt, “you do not understand the Highway Code,” which makes it clear that cyclists are allowed to ride two abreast.
The motorist, raising his voice, continued to insist that “You were blocking the entire road,” before repeatedly asking Matt, “Do you remember smacking my car?” – something Matt denied – with the driver perilously close to a meltdown of Basil Fawltyesque proportions.
The driver then told Matt to “F*ck off,” and receiving the reply, “I’m from here,” responds, “Sure you are.”
When Matt said, “I live in Llangadog” – a village around 5km southwest of Llandovery – he is told, by the increasingly animated motorist, “Llangadog, do you? So you don’t f*cking live here, you live in Llangadog, now f*ck off!”
The driver, who returned to his car to take his own phone and start filming, again asks Matt his name and accuses him once more of hitting his car – an allegation he continued to deny.
The motorist, who seemed to think he may have grounds for an insurance claim, demands Matt’s address, and burst out laughing when he received the response, “I know all the police around here,” continuing to insist Matt wasn’t a local while not answering the question of where he is from himself.
The man then speeds off, making a punishment pass and beeping his horn, but the episode isn’t over yet.
“After the initial altercation he was in Llandovery town centre and upon spotting us again came to confront us,” Matt said.
At that last encounter, he repeatedly asked Matt, “What would you do if I slapped on your brand new car? What would you do? What would you do? What would you do,” before walking off with a parting greeting of “Tosser.”
“This has been reported to the Police on the day of the incident,” Matt added, “but the case has yet to be assigned to an officer despite it being a week ago.”
92 thoughts on “Aggressive driver in total meltdown with Carmarthenshire cyclists after close pass”
Unless Matt has very long
Unless Matt has very long arms, if he had hit the car wouldn’t that be proof that it was a close pass?
Ah, the Mr Tickle loophole!
Ah, the Mr Tickle loophole!
It’s the other form of schrodinger’s cyclist – both so far away as you overtake them that it isn’t a close pass, yet close enough to hit your car.
My God that raised my blood
My God that raised my blood pressure just watching that. That made me want to punch my computer screen just listening to the vicious bile being spewed by that ‘twunt’ as someone so eloquantly put earlier. I live in rural France and rarely feel threatened on roads and certainly in four years never even remotely like that. My hat i do doff to Matt for keeping his cool with that right in his face. Sadly another of many videos on road.cc that just confirm that I could no longer cycle back in the UK ever again. I do not envy cyclists having to put up with that every day which I had my fair share of living in Brighton area in Sussex……
That was genuinely unpleasant
That was genuinely unpleasant to watch. I really hope the driver gets some anger management or was just caught on a horrifically bad day (not that it excuses him).
What a twunt
What a twunt
Christ, what a ghastly man.
Christ, what a ghastly man. Someone with anger issues like this really should not be in charge of a car. Did you have footage of him close-passing you?
It’s in the video at 4.01 and
It’s in the video at 4.01 and he ought to get in huge trouble for that, given that the preceding video is clear proof that it’s a premeditated aggressive action.
What an absolutely
What an absolutely spectacular bellend. Well done Matt for keeping your cool, not sure I could have with someone getting that much in my face, particularly given the times we’re living in.
On a side note it’s deeply ironic that he’s telling you and your friend, who both have noticeable Welsh accents, to “fuck off you don’t live here” when I can’t detect a trace of Welsh in his accent!
Wouldn’t it have been
Wouldn’t it have been fabulous if Matt had have answered in Welsh and continued in Wwelsh. That would have been so good. Then we would really know who was local.
Absolutely!
Absolutely!
What a horrible experience
What a horrible experience from a truly nasty man. Chapeau Matt for keeping your cool. I’d have needed a stiff drink after that one.
That car driver has anger
That car driver has anger issues. I wouldn’t trust him with a skateboard.
Lol! That was entertaining.
Lol! That was entertaining. In all fairness to the driver he didn’t decend into any kind of gendered or homophobic language… will be interesting to see what the police make if it, although I’m pretty sure there’s no law against getting angry.
Nigel Garrage wrote:
What a truly pathetic little troll you are Nigel. I’m sure you and this vile piece of work could be excellent friends, thereby doubling both your friend quotas.
Rendel. I’m disappointed that
Rendel. I’m disappointed that you took the bait. Our silence should be sufficient to treat that comment with the contempt it duly deserves.
Fair point.
Fair point.
Don’t feed him
Don’t feed him
There is a law against
There is a law against getting angry. It comes under Road Rage.
No such offence as road rage.
No such offence as road rage, only dangerous or careless driving. Although perhaps the police would look at the pass recorded later in the video.
My name is nigel and I like
My name is nigel and I like to shit stir. What problems do you have ?
Nigel Garrage wrote:
[A person who] uses towards another person threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, with intent to cause that person to believe that immediate unlawful violence will be used against him – Public Order Act 1986
And before you try to get smart and accuse me of same, shouting “You fucking cunt” at a motorist who nearly killed me and was disappearing into the distance at 50mph does not come under that description, which is why the police entirely supported me and prosecuted the driver.
Well I hope he gets done for
Well I hope he gets done for a public order offence, as well as the close pass and inappropriate use of the horn. You can’t go around shouting abuse at people like that.
It’s a bit telling that he wasn’t interested in showing Matt the ‘damage’ to his vehicle.
I might have damaged my very expensive bib shorts during that incident. Soiled beyond repair. So would be promptly filling in a V888 form so I could contact his insurers and claim for a new pair of pants.
Anyone that gets that angry
Anyone that gets that angry about having to share the road shouldn’t be in charge of their own pockets let alone a car.
Notice he made no effort to show you any “damage” to his car despite your unprovoked attack being so savage that it apparently requires an insurance claim. …..
There is no way they could
There is no way they could have slapped his car on the initial pass unless he was very very close, ie mirror scrapping handle bar distance and he was matching or very close to their speed. (Not putting it past it though if the second pass was any indication of the first but very very unlikely).
So if they did slap it, then that would only have occured on the intial unfilmed confrontation when he stopped in the road to berate them for delaying him by a few seconds* or making him move over the central markings to overtake initially. In which case said slap, if one did occur was his own fault for stopping when not needed anyway.
But I know if there was any actual damage, he would have been pointing it out on camera and then pointing at the cyclists.
* You can see from the video that we are not talking 100’s of cars in both directions stopping overtakes. It is relatively empty for an A road designation and vehicles could easily overtake safely with only a few seconds of waiting. And streetview shows it is too narrow for non crossing whiteline overtakes safely, but also quite straight and flattish up to where the confrontation took place so nothing to stop safe overtakes at all.
AlsoSomniloquism wrote:
Who says the initial pass was unfilmed? I find it more than suspicious that everything was filmed… except for the incident that piqued the driver’s anger in the first place. It’s also unclear exactly how the second “meeting” came about too.
One thing is for certain: if both sides had simply shown politeness and courtesy (how many times have I made that point?), none if this would have happened and everyone would likely have had an enjoyable day. It strikes me that underneath the testosterone fuelled bravado there were very fine people on both sides, so it’s a shame it had to come to this.
Well it’s certainly less derogatory than “gammons” which is typically used! I say go for it.
Looks to me that he took out
Looks to me that he took out his phone to film the confrontation as he could see that the guy had pulled in and was probably looking for trouble.
From what i saw Matt was the
From what i saw Matt was the only one that was very polite and courteous.
If you pass cyclists so close
If you pass cyclists so close that they can touch your car, you may, or may not, be a “fine person”, but you certainly are a dangerous driver and shouldn’t be allowed to be in charge of dangerous machinery in public.
No doubt plod will give him
No doubt plod will give him an award and start proceedings against the cyclists for some form of made-up spurious complaint…. This country beggars belief at times.
Simply beggars belief.
Simply beggars belief.
And unsurprisingly the police have done nothing yet… pathetic.
Such a contradictory prick. I
Such a contradictory prick.
“I’m ok to park in this side road blocking all access but you can’t stop there blocking me in”.
“I need your name and address but I won’t tell you mine” (You swap details for insurances mate, the clue is in the name swap).
“You need to fuck off, however I will keep on shouting at you to make you stay anyway”.
“You said you were illegally cycling along the road” – when Matt said he was legally cycling.
“You smacked my car” when asked where- “down there”. No mate where is the damage he meant.
“I’m not doing anything to you” apart from screaming in his face very very aggressively.
“You aren’t from around here, get back to your city” 5 km away not from around here.
“You are blocking the road with your bike whilst talking to me” But you blocked the road earlier when you initially stopped to berate them.
Like I said contradictory prick. I think we need a name for these like for women it is Karen. I choose Nigel. Anyone else agree?
Also not being able to
Also not being able to overtake while then passing?
The motorist delayed himself
The motorist delayed himself by four minutes – he seems to be mentally ill.
kingleo wrote:
Mental illness has many forms and symptoms, but the chances of it leading to this display are slim to say the least.
My diagnosis is that he’s a tosser.
Agreed. Mental illness does
Agreed. Mental illness does not equal twattery. Not by a very very long way.
Maybe he was so angry because
Maybe he was so angry because he’d just bought a brand new car, then suddenly lost his job for threatening to run over cyclists in his truck, and now he can’t keep up the payments.
Whatever, he should be removed from the road for dangerous driving, and putting innocent people in fear of violence from his ultra-aggressive behaviour.
eburtthebike wrote:
You’re being really unfair. If cyclists hadn’t stoked his hatred he wouldn’t have felt the need to distance himself by spending more than he could afford, which led to stress whose only logical conclusion was by threatening cyclists with a lorry thereby leading directly to the loss of his honest income, and the inability to pay his credit card bill.
Facking cyclists….
I wouldn’t hold your breath
I wouldn’t hold your breath with the police . I got forced off the road by a driver with his car who then got out and punched me round the head until some one pulled him off. I had 3 witnesses but as 2 of them were friends the police only took one of their statements and because of a small discrepancy between their stories and mine and the drivers claim that I hit him first meant they have not proceeded . So he has got away with driving his car into me and beating me up . If I wasn’t wearing my helmet I would have been seriously injured.
Shocking behaviour from that
Shocking behaviour from that driver – wants locking up in a mental institution, preferably in Uzbekistan or somewhere else a long way away. Absolute cock. Matt so impressed with how cool you managed to stay despite his incredibly threatening abuse.
Have had a glancing blow to
Have had a glancing blow to my arm / shoulder twice by close passes but strangely the driver on each occasion never stopped to argue with me about making contact with their vehicle.
In this case I would simply call the police usually find that calms the situation quite quickly.
Next time you’re accused of
Next time you’re accused of slapping a moving vehicle say “really?! Were you driving THAT close that I could’ve done that? Sounds like dangerous driving to me”.
That all said I’m of the opinion that unless you’re in a large group two abreast is not the best option. It can be seen as obstructive, and until the law is changed (I’m aware something is coming in) the Highway Code does suggest pulling in, to let faster vehicles pass if slowing down large amounts of traffic. Not popular here, but I do feel opinion sweeps past what is actually the neutral point and onto what pro-cycling view points – the roads are for everyone that applies to cyclists, motorists, walkers, truckers and horse riders
Colin Peyresourde wrote:
That’s what I’ve always said to people whose car I HAVE slapped – if I can slap your car, you’re too close.
As for the riding two abreast, I often do that with my mate when we’re out on our own. We’ll pull over to single if we need to but most overtakes can be done on the bigger roads without needing to, especially if the road is quieter (one car every 30 seconds or so quieter) which is what this sounds like it was.
If hes’ close enough to slap
If hes’ close enough to slap then he’s too close
How does the law stand on
How does the law stand on “slapping” people’s vehicles. If there’s no damage, was a crime commited? And did “Matt” have to give his name, was it classed as an accident?
If there is no damage then
If there is no damage then its not an offence.
Ask to see the damage, when confronted.
Ok thanks, I was just curious
Ok thanks, I was just curious because there was ‘contact’, which seems to affect some cases.
Allen Key wrote:
Don’t tell him your name Pike.
Allen Key wrote:
Indeed I wonder if the drivers who get so worked about about this and start talking about criminal damage, take action about anyone who kocks on their fron door to get their attention.
Royal mail must be defending thousands of cases daily.
I would so turn this round
I would so turn this round saying that driver hit them while overtaking too close and call the police.
That’s exactly how the road
That’s exactly how the road rage incident that stopped me from riding on the roads went, except in my case it ended in assault. Standard driver playbook, with added are you local special sauce (had that a few times in lockdown 1). For the non-carists it’s worth remembering that touching their car is broadly equivalent to the age-old “your Mum” aggression escalator.
I had a similar incident that
I had a similar incident that resulted in a hiatus from the road.
I now try to not engage. Just blank them and move on. Getting out of the vehicle is a proper red flag – never going to end well. But difficult in this case as the driver could have pushed them off if they didn’t stop.
It’s an arse that this stuff happens just for going out for a bike ride – if only there was some deterrent. Let’s hope the police are able to provide something.
I found the video
I found the video uncomfortable to watch because of the obnoxious bullying attitude of that driver. It’s a no-win situation when faced with an arsehole like that and I’m sorry your incident ended with assault. It just strikes me as ridiculous that some people get so wound up when driving that a tiny delay sends them into such a tantrum.
kil0ran wrote:
From what I can tell it falls somewhere between kicking them in the nuts and violating their first born child in severity of offence.
Don’t even start thinking of
Don’t even start thinking of criticising their awful driving…
Similar to the incident that
Similar to the incident that forced me to buy a camera. Wanker close-passed me needlessly (other lane empty). I called out, he slowed down, I (stupidly) overtook, he proceeded to chase me across a roundabout before swerving in front of me and slamming the brakes on, almost causing me to hit his car. Wanker then got out and threatened me with violence. His wife/girlfriend was in the passenger seat and did nothing.
I was so shaken up, I didn’t even get the registration number. Reported to the police but I didn’t have enough information for them to act. Bought my first camera that same day and I NEVER ride without one, unless off-road or in France. Where drivers aren’t cunts towards cyclists.
I find it strange that
I find it strange that motorists happily wait several minutes at train level crossing gates when they are down, but when they are delayed a bit by cyclists they have a road rage fit. I think a lot of it is to do with the fact that generally, club cyclists are young powerful fit athletes and road rage motorists are not. They are jealous because the cyclists are superior than they are.
Motorists are never happy to
Motorists are never happy to wait at level crossings.
And they never have the need to catch their breath when stopped at a traffic light.
They are at my double level
They are at my double level crossing at Barnes – I watch them, most of them even switch off their car engines.
kingleo wrote:
Oh kingleo, behave, you make me blush….
I was in a pub having a drink
I was in a pub having a drink when a non-cycling motorist I was talking to said” when you are behind them it’s seeing those big bronze calf muscles that make us jealous!
I wouldn’t have stopped, but
I wouldn’t have stopped, but since you did why didn’t you tell him you would slap his head if he didn’t get out of your face.
He reminds me of one of my
He reminds me of one of my old PE teachers…
PRSboy wrote:
The psycho one?
No the one that fondled his
No the one that fondled his bollocks.
Most of the road rage
Most of the road rage attacks on me have been by people with low tech brains -apart from one: I was cycling home from work in West London on a cycle lane with the normal stationary traffic on the right when a car turned left in front of me and parked half on the pavement and half on the cycle lane leaving me just enough room to get by, but as I went by the driver opened the door in front of me, I got off my bike and told her what I thought of her – this beautiful filmstar/popstar type of women got out of the car, put her arms around me and fondled my buttocks, she hugged me and kept saying ” you’re so good looking, you’re so good looking – I thought apology accepted and went on my way!
This gave me wood. Far more
This gave me wood. Far more interesting than listening to a couple of grown up male babies
kingleo wrote:
This gave me wood
kingleo wrote:
— kingleoWhere’s the vid?
It happened a long time ago
It happened a long time ago before video cameras existed – only film cameras in those days.
The only way to appease the
The only way to appease the Cycling Gods, would be to post his address online.
Then invite the holy Disciples, to visit him with gifts of Gold, Frankincense and rocks.
Showering his car with… love.
?
0-0 wrote:
And do it at random intervals, giving him time to get the respray done before scratching it again; repeat ad infinitum.
A few months ago I had a very
A few months ago I had a very close pass, and slapped the car roof. Driver stopped up ahead, but I didn’t, and lost them easily at the next junction in town. Unfortunately, it’s possibly the most confrontational actions one can take, especially for drivers with raging gammon tendencies, but difficult not to do when vehicle is so dangerously close. I keep telling myself to avoid touching a too close car next time, and instead shout uber loudly, & just capture pass on front/rear cams. Unfortunately all these drivers will want to do is yell in your face, and will not listen to any reasoned protestations about dangerous driving & the highway code. Never set off on the bike before a driver in this condition / be prepared to deviate from original route temporarily for safety.
A quick slap to a panel is
A quick slap to a panel is probably the most effective way to warn a driver that they are way too close, but it can lead to further agression.
Sorry to post this yet again but this is an example of how a trivial situation can escalate out of all proportion if you have a nutter on the other end.
The cyclist should never have
The cyclist should never have engaged with the motorist and giving his name and suburb is ridiculous.
In instances like this where
In instances like this where the vehicle has stopped up the road and the driver has got out, I was advised by a police friend to simply stop where you are on the road.
After a close pass , we were riding two abreast,and horn blowing episode by a BMW X5 on a clear country road the driver pulled in about 200 mtrs further up,we stopped too and watched him get out of his car as he screamed abuse.We watched him for an age in what seemed like a Mexican stand off, we started laughing at the absurdity of the situation which resulted in him storming off.
Best form of defence is non confrontation and that includes words say nothing, your life is more valuable than trying to convice an angry, irrational person that they are wrong.
Although in the early 80’s an eccentric club mate now RIP, used to attach carbide lathe tools to the end of one of these pop out refelectors more than once he showed us a swirl of car paint work on the tool tip!
The appropriate response,
The appropriate response, once he’d started effing and blinding in your face, was to call 999 and report a threatening road rage driver.
The irony of complaining
The irony of complaining about being held up but then stopping for a confrontation is always lost on these idiots.
He does seem a bit angry
He does seem a bit angry doesn’t he. He has the look af an angry man too. I don’t know why you would bother to stop and chat to someone like him.
This cyclist v driver, driver v cyclist gets a bit tedious we are all victims it seems.
But this driver does seem to be a twat I’ll give you that. And now we have his reg and I am living not to far from him, I’ll keep an eye out and see if we can create a sequel.
If you put Clive Norman into
If you put Clive Norman into a facebook search, you’ll find this man there.
…and perhaps some of his
…and perhaps some of his late night ramblings about liberals and dogs
Anti-Corbyn, pro-Brexit,
Anti-Corbyn, pro-Brexit, little-Englander, sees the need to bring up WW2 when England play Germany and looks like he’s part of the hunting crew.
All the checkboxes ticked in
All the checkboxes ticked in order to qualify as a Master C….
Well, I’d have lost the plot
Well, I’d have lost the plot and wrapped my bike round him. Then more. And probably have gone to prison, but at least the world would be free of that cowson.
What a horrible horrible man.
What a horrible horrible man. I’m sory Matt that that happened to you and I truly hope that that bloke gets some sort of retribution.
First of all, the aggressive
First of all, the aggressive driver commited a S5 public order offence for swearing in public. The riders need to inform the police of this(video is the corroboration). The other offence is driving aggressivley and sounding horn for no reason.
I presume there is further video from his dangerous overtake earlier
The riders need to report
The riders need to report this to the police for S5 public order offence. This driver will cause serious injury if not brought to account for this attitude. Also the aggressive driving
Well if the name and links
Well if the name and links below is the same person, he is ex Police and immune from actually getting charged for anything. Probably why he smirked when Matt mentioned them,
It is the same person.
It is the same person.
Not so. If there is
Not so. If there is irrefutable evidence of the offence and someone makes an official complaint. He will be prosecuted.
There is the video and two witnesses
Hmmm, evidence of misconduct
Hmmm, evidence of misconduct of Police and former Police officers will mean they will be treated just like anyone else…..
Like the one posted here several weeks ago when the woman driver knocked the cyclist down whilst “passing him with plenty of room” at a traffic light controlled junction. Then blamed the cyclist, then said she used to work for the Police. The attending officer then stated she had done nothing wrong and the cyclist hit her.
Or maybe the evidence supplied in the apparently multiple cases of indecent exposure Couzens did in the days leading up to his murder of Sarah Everard. (which has caused the suspension of the officers who appeared to ignore it)
Or West Midlands Police investigating Yorkshires Police abysmal failing at Hillsborough actually changing witness statements and telling witnesses they were mistaken to protect their own.
I’m sorry if you are a Police officer and hate hearing these accusations, and probably have plenty of evidence of Police following the correct procedures when investigating internally. But the popular evidence shows the opposite.
Terrible behaviour from the
Terrible behaviour from the driver. Why can’t drivers just ‘own-up’ to their mistakes and apologise accordingly, rather than escalating it. If he is an ex-policeman he’s doing a diservice to the police. I think drivers behaviour is slowly changing for the better in Carmarthenshire (and Towy valley in particular) but clearly there is still work to do. I shudder to think how younger (school age) cyclists would have felt confronted by such aggressive behaviour :-(.
Matt, have you considered contacting Dafydd Llewelyn the police commissioner for our county to inform of the lack of follow-up since you logged the call with the police for this incident. I know the police are stretched but they should at least got back to you by now.
I love the way that he’s
I love the way that he’s ridiculously and aggressively territorial, but he’s got an English accent and he’s living in west Wales.
Also, hope you’re doing OK, Matt. I know from experience that these incidents can play on your mind for a while after they’ve happened.