Live blog: Study says 20 mph limits work, W Mids Police say golden age of the motor vehicle is coming to an end, pancakes and more

Agree: some things are just blockers, no matter "but I do so you can" or "look at the stats, it's really safe!" But the devil is in "can we get there from here?" (sometimes literally). Much of what supports mass cycling elsewhere is in the bigger picture. Like decisions about what traffic goes where made at the network level. Or getting decent public transport in so that it's easier to make that motor traffic evaporate.

@Kadinkski Interesting in a way off base sort of way.

@Surreyrider Agree. You see this a lot with people who only ride race bikes when they review endurance bikes.

@Smoggysteve Well that was a lot of nonsense.

@OnYerBike The two he lists are not endurance geometry. The Defy used to be but now it's almost a TCR. The Scott Addict never had endurance geometry.

Another one who rides race bikes all the time shocked that an endurance bike rides like...an endurance bike. The Giant Defy used to be endurance geometry but now is very close to a TCR geometry. The Scott never had endurance geometry. Learn your audience not your personal interests.

This isn't a cycle lane - it's a shared use path (a service track with permitted shared use).

@the little onion Absolutely, we must get out of the mindset of just gratefully accepting whatever scraps we're offered which then end up underutilised because they're unsatisfactory and so used as arguments not to build more.

I’m in agreement with the Greens here. We need to actively push back against cycle infrastructure that doesn’t consider personal safety. In West Yorkshire, millions have been ploughed into resurfacing canal towpaths as shared pedestrian/cyclist infrastructure, yet plenty of men, and masses more men, feel distinctly unsafe when commuting at peak hours in winter, when it is dark. Plenty of bits are dodgy in daylight!

@stonechat Why not? Isn't that a bit like drivers moaning about 20mph limits? Sure, if you're a racer in training that could be limiting, but then you shouldn't be using cycle tracks for that anyway. Most commuters, shoppers and leisure cyclists ride around 15 mph anyway and rarely exceed 20 mph on the flat; the path is 16 miles long, so the difference between 15 mph and 20 mph even if you're riding the whole length (which most people won't be, of course) is 64 minutes versus 48 minutes, not enough to make a big difference in anyone's day. My most regular ride of around 16 miles is to my mother's house on heavy-traffic roads across southwest London; due to congestion, traffic lights et cetera it usually takes me about 50-55 minutes. If someone offered me a completely motor-traffic-free path for the whole distance on condition that I took an extra 10 minutes for the ride I'd bite their hand off!