Near Miss of the Day 587: One cyclist’s 2021 compilation of close passes and other incidents

Hmmm...

Ride On wrote:

At 24s you really shouldn't have been trying to pass on the zig zags.

Actually it's only illegal to overtake the vehicle closest to the crossing on zigzags (HC191) and if you look up the road there is one. Only found this out this year when I submitted a video of the same thing (two cars) only to be told there was no offence.

I thought they meant it looked too iffy to try as the driver's intentions were unclear.

I meant both. Firstly I thought overtaking in the zig zags was a strict no no but happy to stand corrected. Second the driver indicates before the rider starts to pass although the rider clearly hadn't seen it but the drivers dithering was a warning to hold off a bit.

Pretty clear to me that he was indicating to turn right.

Rendel Harris wrote:

Ride On wrote:

At 24s you really shouldn't have been trying to pass on the zig zags.

Actually it's only illegal to overtake the vehicle closest to the crossing on zigzags (HC191) and if you look up the road there is one. Only found this out this year when I submitted a video of the same thing (two cars) only to be told there was no offence.

If you look at the legislation it is only illegal for Motor Vehicles to overtake on Zig Zag lines.  Had a similar debate with someone on twitter..... and after I found the legislation they blocked me.

Road marking shown in diagram 1001.3: zig-zag lines—no overtaking

28.—(1) Without prejudice to regulation 27, a zig-zag line shall convey the requirement that, whilst any motor vehicle (in this regulation called “the approaching vehicle”) or any part of it is within the limits of a controlled area and is proceeding towards the signal-controlled crossing facility to which the controlled area relates, the driver of the vehicle shall not cause it or any part of it—

(a)to pass ahead of the foremost part of any other motor vehicle proceeding in the same direction; or

(b)to pass ahead of the foremost part of a vehicle which is stationary for the purpose of complying with the indication given by a traffic light signal for controlling vehicular traffic.

Presume all the clips in the video resulted in NIPs ?

The question is how to know if a proper NIP has been sent, if the police use dodges to pretend they have, when they haven't! So, does this wording unequivocally indicate a NIP?

We will write to the registered keeper of the vehicle involved, requiring them to identify the driver

As I stated in another topic, this is from a Lancashire Constabulary response to a close-pass report. The list of possible outcomes when the driver has been declared includes no action at all or the worthless 'words of advice'. So I am wondering if this is just another LC trick, hoping that I will forget about it, and they all get NFA.

From Suffolk/Norfolk police, because its a joint operation who deal with dashcam footage, it was always clear feedback that a decision to send a NIP had been made, but no further updates would be provided unless it went to court.

But since that last 2019 NIP, it's only been warning letters & NFAs since, so it feels like a waste of my time currently.

similar experience in Suffolk, though Ive not submitted that many over the last two years as the whole pandemic has shifted where I ride most often to much quieter roads, even if I can guarantee a close pass on most rides its manageable. Plus as a backlog of cases built up in the courts, it felt like the prosecution threshold had risen to limit it only to the most serious traffic offences being taken further, and some of the time Im still ok with a warning letter anyway, some of it Im not but theres not alot you can really do about it, so I save my energy only to submit the worst.

I checked on their OpSnap site as I saw they had published some stats earlier in the year, though no data from other years to compare against, that suggested they do still prosecute about 25% of submissions, though reject basically 60% completely, though of course those stats include stuff like this https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/traffic/suffolk-and-essex-scariest-dashcam-f... its not just cyclist cam submissions.

but I noticed currently it seems anything submitted will almost guaranteed result in no further action, because due to a technical problem, it states they cant review the footage you upload within their set time limits at the moment, and anything outside the time limit is basically no further actioned.

eburtthebike wrote:

Some good ones, i.e. bad ones, there, but the last is incredibly awful, and I hope the driver was prosecuted. 

I think you'll find the sun was in his/her eyes?