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Kids threatened with fines for cycling in London park

Richmond Cycling Campaign says children have been riding bikes on path on Sheen Common for more than four decades

Children are being threatened with fines for riding bikes in part of a London park – despite the fact that kids have been cycling there for more than four decades, according to one cycling campaigner.

ParkGuard wardens contracted by Richmond Council have stopped children on their bikes on Sheen Common and told them they could be fined £60, reports LBC.

Diana Akiko Narducci, the mother of one boy who was stopped by a warden for riding on a path in the park said that her son was “really upset” by the incident and that he and his friends are scared to return there in case they are fined.

“The park patrol said we have had so many complaints from dog walkers but nothing counterbalancing from the other side,” she said. “We were saying how can a 10 or 12-year-old send an email to the council?"

She added that her son now spends his time “staying at home, playing on the PlayStation and watching TV.”

James Milnes was stopped by wardens last Saturday while cycling in the park with his 10-year-old daughter.

He said: “I actually thought they were police at the time. They basically put their hand up to stay stop and said you’re not permitted to ride your bike anywhere here, away from the main paths.

“I would be amazed if this area is not considered a main path,” he continued. “It has all the hallmarks of a path, it has logs laid down on either side.”

Mr Milnes added: “These kids have just gone back to school, a year of childhood on pause and even if there are a few walkers who don’t want bikes flying past then there should be a bit of ‘live and let live’.

“This doesn’t feel like the time to take away some of the simple fun.”

Richmond Cycling Campaign have asked the council to look into the matter, writing that officers “should not be actively discouraging children from having fun in a safe way”.

A Richmond Council Parks Service told the radio station that cyclists, including children, needed to keep to designated paths and that there had been an issue with some people creating trails.

“Responsible cycling on designated paths is not only allowed but is a great form of exercise, however there has been a recent issue with some users digging in the woodland area of Sheen Common to create off-road trails with ramps and dips,” the spokesperson said.

“This activity is damaging to this important habitat and presents a risk to other users and is therefore not permitted. Anyone causing damage to the common could be fined as a result.

“Parkguard patrol are responsible for making sure park users, including children, know that cycling is only allowed on designated paths and ensuring that the public are aware of any fines that could be enforced under the council’s PSPO.”

 

Tim Lennon, co-ordinator at Richmond Cycling Campaign, said that children had been cycling on the path, which has natural bumps, for more than 40 years.

“We are hoping it is just overzealous wardens because obviously the government supposedly wants us all to be more active,” he said.

“You can hardly ask kids to be more active if you take away areas where they are active can you?

“The kids are 12, what is the actual problem on this one?”

He added: “We know someone who is in his 50s who used this as a BMX pump track when he was 12, so it is a long established use of the area.”

Simon joined road.cc as news editor in 2009 and is now the site’s community editor, acting as a link between the team producing the content and our readers. A law and languages graduate, published translator and former retail analyst, he has reported on issues as diverse as cycling-related court cases, anti-doping investigations, the latest developments in the bike industry and the sport’s biggest races. Now back in London full-time after 15 years living in Oxford and Cambridge, he loves cycling along the Thames but misses having his former riding buddy, Elodie the miniature schnauzer, in the basket in front of him.

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tom72 | 3 years ago
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Classic Viz comic situation....

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Chris Hayes | 3 years ago
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What? Kids, out and about, exercising? They should be at home watching TV and scoffing sweets, surely? How else will they meet the UK's obesity target?

[I've now gotten over my Monday ride where I almost collided with a 14 yr old, on his phone, no-hands (good skills) wrong side of the cycle super highway (bad practice), coming  around the slight bend with his posse which cause me to brake, skid, and somehow bend my Dura Ace chain]....

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Hirsute replied to Chris Hayes | 3 years ago
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I think I misread that - how does a chain bend?

Is it a new chain or will you try to replace some links?

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Chris Hayes replied to Hirsute | 3 years ago
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I must have been changing gear,  it came off and got stuck between the frame and the chainset and as I went to pedal it twisted.  Never experienced anything like it before. It was probably six months old...maybe less. 

It's interesting that as a former engineer, if I'd been thinking straight, I would have examined it to find out exactly where it had 'failed', but now I work in finance so I just replaced it.... 

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Ihatecheese | 3 years ago
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Sad times for the kiddies. When i lived round those parts 12 yr olds on bikes were never the problem! Darn park wardens misinterpreting the rules or the goal of those rules..

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Sriracha | 3 years ago
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Kids demonised for messing about on their bikes in the park. Here's hoping those responsible fall foul of the kids who find other ways to pass the time.

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brooksby | 3 years ago
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Quote:

“I would be amazed if this area is not considered a main path,” he continued. “It has all the hallmarks of a path, it has logs laid down on either side.”

Those renegade MTBers making their own trails are clearly very neat and organised, aren't they?

Unless... You don't think the park rangers were overstepping their mark and this really was a 'proper' path that they were allowed to ride on...?  I mean - perish the thought!

 

 

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alchemilla | 3 years ago
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Some cyclists could put in a similar complaint about dog walkers getting in their way, wandering across the path without looking, letting their dogs harass cyclists, long trailing leads across the path etc.
Well, why not?

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TheBillder replied to alchemilla | 3 years ago
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Let's not forget leaving little black bags around for the f'ing elves to tidy away.

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RoubaixCube | 3 years ago
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It seems Sheen Common has a few 'off road' bike trails that are popular with MTB riders so im inclined to say that the wardens have overstepped their authority.

Rather than jump on the bandwagon and demonise the wardens, Im going to give the them the benefit of the doubt and say they need some extra training with a big focus on the rules of the park.

Ive not been to Sheen Common as its much too far across london for me so i am unaware if any paths there exist as pedestrian only. If they were cycling on a pedestrian only path then I would understand the wardens concern so he obviously has to enforce it because thats what he's hired to do.

The threat of fines seem a little heavy handed but some kids wont even care that you threaten to fine them. You'll have to catch them and detain them first before calling their legal guardians but that is another matter in itself.

It might be worth reaching out to local Council there (Richmond upon Thames London Borough Council??) for clarification so they can also put the issue to rest. 

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hawkinspeter replied to RoubaixCube | 3 years ago
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I doubt that park wardens have any right to catch and detain children.

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RoubaixCube replied to hawkinspeter | 3 years ago
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you wouldnt think that retail security did either, but yet they do.

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hawkinspeter replied to RoubaixCube | 3 years ago
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RoubaixCube wrote:

you wouldnt think that retail security did either, but yet they do.

I'm surprised that the parents don't sue the stores for kidnapping

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RoubaixCube replied to hawkinspeter | 3 years ago
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Its not really kidnapping, If they are under a certain age they are supposed to hold them till someone from their school, member of family or legal guardian comes to pick them up -- Thats if they've been caught shoplifiting that is.

But these kids aint shoplifting but they could still be breaking park rules. so its down the wardens disgression 

Anyone and everyone has the power to make a citizen's arrest

I havent been a park warden so i cant comment on what sort of policies and proceedures they have to follow but i have done similar work and this is what we did.

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Hirsute replied to RoubaixCube | 3 years ago
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You can only make a citizen's arrest in certain circumstances something to do with indictable offences such as theft, criminal damage, otherwise it is assault by the hopeful arrestor.

Best to be cautious unless it is a serious crime.

https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q508.htm

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mdavidford replied to RoubaixCube | 3 years ago
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RoubaixCube wrote:

Anyone and everyone has the power to make a citizen's arrest.

Only if they have reasonable grounds to believe that it's necessary to stop an offence being committed - I don't think 'being in the wrong place in a park' would qualify.

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Awavey replied to mdavidford | 3 years ago
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well it depends, councils dont employ park wardens thesedays unless theres a perceived problem to solve that maybe the police arent able to resource continously.

I dont know this specific area to judge if this is the case here at all, Im just offering an alternate take that not everything is as straightforward as it seems at first glance, as I do know of parks in towns/cities which have reputations for criminality and that the teens on MTBs in those parks are not necessarily always there using them for fresh air & exercise.

and its unfortunate that people who are then get caught up by rules trying to mitigate something thats nothing to do with them.

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hawkinspeter | 3 years ago
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I wish this was another April Fool.

I'm not sure how they can legally fine children and what do they do if the kid refuses to pay? Throw them into debtor's prison?

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OldRidgeback replied to hawkinspeter | 3 years ago
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They can't legally.

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Mungecrundle | 3 years ago
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Usual MO for these hired thugs who are most definitely incentivised for fines handed out and who roam around as a local authority sanctioned extortion operation looking for the easy targets and avoiding tackling anyone who looks like they would give them a hard time.

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