Children shouldn’t be allowed to cycle on road without an adult, says ‘Mr Loophole’; Jumbo-Visma publish statement on Tour of Poland; Thug who pushed cyclist off bike didn’t pay compensation; Spanish cyclist has ban reinstated + more on the live blog
SUMMARY
Police appeal for witnesses over mystery surrounding death of 24-year-old cyclist in Greenwich Park
Following the death of a 24-year-old cyclist in the south-east London park back in June, the Met Police have put out a new appeal for witnesses.
Police were called just after 6pm on Sunday 28th June after reports of a collision in The Avenue, Greenwich Park. The cyclist was taken to hospital but died from his injuries on 16th July, and police are still trying to “establish the circumstances surrounding the collision and how the man came to be injured.”
PC Tony Butler commented: “A significant number of people would have been in the park at the time of the collision.
“I’m aware some time has passed since the date of the incident but I’m hoping somebody will be able to help with our investigation.”
Anyone for information is asked to call 101 quoting CAD 6309/28JUN.
Thug who pushed cyclist off his bike in "unprovoked attack" receives conditional discharge after failing to pay £50 compensation to victim
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When he first appeared in court last year, 21-year-old Joshua Lewis was handed a conditional caution, and told he would face no further punishment if he wrote a letter of apology to the victim and paid £50 compensation; but although Lewis wrote the letter in custody, he never paid the fine. Lewis’ solicitor said that he was unable to pay the £50, commenting: “It says on the conditional caution that it was means tested but it was not.
“He was on benefits and that total amount was £340 a month which had to pay for his accommodation. He didn’t have enough money for bills let alone £50 compensation.”
The Sentinel reports that Lewis pushed the victim off his bike “for no reason”, claiming he was drunk at the time.
The court heard that Lewis is now working for FedEx. He has admitted assault, with magistrates handing him a 12 month conditional discharge, and ordering him to pay £135 costs, £50 compensation and a £21 victim surcharge.
Nick Freeman, aka 'Mr Loophole', appears on Good Morning Britain repeating calls for cyclists to be insured, and wear a "registered tabard"
Should cyclists get penalty points?
Motoring lawyer @TheMrLoophole says if there are going to be more cyclists on the road, there needs to be proper regulations and infrastructure in place to make the roads safe for everyone.
Watch the debate here 👉 https://t.co/yyUUJmzswF pic.twitter.com/mEOHOhFbxG
— Good Morning Britain (@GMB) August 7, 2020
Freeman called for the 1988 Road Traffic Act to be updated to include cyclists, and that cyclists must be “held accountable”; this is despite Freeman specialising in helping celebrities avoid motoring convictions, counting Jeremy Clarkson and David Beckham amongst his former clients. He said: “I welcome the increase in cyclists, I think it’s fantastic and Boris Johnson is on the right track. But we do now need to regulate, if there are 8 million (cyclists) on our roads.”
‘The evidence shows that cyclists do not statistically present a risk.’
Duncan Dolimore from The Cycling UK says regulations are decided on the risk posed.
He adds that If there were regulations, it would impact 25 million people who own bikes, 7 million of whom are children. pic.twitter.com/GfmguU2eCY
— Good Morning Britain (@GMB) August 7, 2020
Duncan Dollimore of Cycling UK tried to explain the complications and costs involved in registering millions of bicycles in the UK to Mr Freeman, saying: “The reality is that 99.3% of pedestrians who die on our roads are involved in a collision with a motor vehicle. We have a situation where 41 cyclists died last year in a collision with drivers. No driver or car passenger was involved in a death in those and haven’t been in recent years.
“The reality is that statistically cyclists don’t present that risk, so we don’t regulate them the same way that we regulate drivers. If we chose to regulate them (cyclists) we’d have to regulate people owning 25 million bikes in the UK, including 7 million children who ride bikes regularly.”
@TheMrLoophole says that while the Road Traffic Act of 1988 dealt with the law for cyclists, it didn’t think about how they were going to be identified if they break the law.
He says if drivers are getting penalised for road offences, cyclists should too. pic.twitter.com/b20pM43GKp
— Good Morning Britain (@GMB) August 7, 2020
Freeman then pulls out his “registered tabard” idea that he has floated numerous times in the past, saying: “I’m suggesting that all cyclists should be registered, there should be a registered tabard, identifiable with that particular person so that we know at any one time who is on a cycle.”
Nick Freeman on Good Morning Britain: Twitter poll currently shows over 70% want penalty points for cyclists
I’ll let @davewalker answer this in cartoon form so that we can all understand how tedious this discussion is. pic.twitter.com/7nP0CauL4J
— Ned Boulting (@nedboulting) August 7, 2020
Which would mean – as outlined by Duncan Dollimore in the clip below – the registering and insuring of millions of bikes and cyclists in an operation that would likely cost billions with little in return. Some of the comments such as Mr Boulting’s and numerous others appear to be dead against the idea, despite the depressing poll stats.
Well done GMB for stirring up more hatred for people who use a bike as their mode of transport. You are literally putting lives at risk, shame on you. Now excuse me whilst I go and tell this little lad that he’s no longer allowed to ride his bike… pic.twitter.com/Bgqu0Tosit
— Engineer Like A Girl (@LikeEngineer) August 7, 2020
It's Milan–San Remo tomorrow
Tomorrow. #MilanoSanremo!
Meet our lineup for the first Monument of 2020:@GannaFilippo @kwiato (🏆 2017)
Gianni Moscon@SalvatorePuccio @swiftybswift (🥈 2016)@DylanvanBaarle pic.twitter.com/csVaQqSZlo— Team INEOS (@TeamINEOS) August 7, 2020
Originally scheduled for 21st March, the monument will finally go ahead tomorrow with Julian Alaphilippe aiming to defend his title. Historically Milan–San Remo has always been hard to predict, with the long distances and variable terrain meaning the winner is just as likely to come from a solo attack as a bunch sprint; this year’s mammoth 299km course taking in the Poggio and the Cipressa is perhaps more unpredictable than ever, with wholesale changes made to the route just days ago due to disagreements with mayors in a number of coastal towns. It means the race is now taking place along a ‘plan B’ route, staying mostly inland before the final 40km of racing
Live coverage will be broadcast on Eurosport from 2.50pm tomorrow.
Spanish cyclist Ibai Salas has doping ban reinstated after appeal from World Anti Doping Agency
Salas – who rode for Burgos BH until 2018 – had his original four-year ban for biological passport abnormalities overturned by the Administrative Court of Sport in Spain back in February 2019. WADA then filed an appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, with the CAS concluded that Salas did commit an anti-doping rule violation, , concluding that his biological passport levels were highly abnormal and “indicated a high probability of doping”. They also found that Salas “did not provide any credible, physiological or pathological reason or condition to explain the abnormality in the ABP values.”
His ban was backdated from the time of the original offence, meaning Salas will be allowed to complete again in 2021.
'Mr Loophole' continued: controversial lawyer says children shouldn't be allowed to cycle on the road without adults who have passed a proficiency test
When asked about privacy issues regarding the identification of people on bikes – as opposed to the identification of vehicles rather than motorists when it comes to cars – Freeman claimed that there needs to be a debate over “the age young children are in fact safe to ride on the roads.”
He continued: “I think below a certain age they would have to be accompanied by a responsible adult who has passed a proficiency test.”
A spokesperson for Cycling UK told road.cc: “What a cruel world that would be if kids could only ride with adults! Yet again we see the real risk ignored, which is the danger motor traffic can present.”
Freeman agreed that motorists are “the greatest risk” on the roads, but insisted they are accountable: “If a motorist commits an offence and goes through, for example, a red light, the registered keeper receives a section 172 notice. If he doesn’t comply with that he’ll be prosecuted for failing to give the information, he’ll in fact receive 6 penalty points or disqualification upon conviction. His insurance premiums will rocket.
“I don’t object to a similar system for cyclists, but I think it would just logistically work more sensibly if we identified the cyclists rather than the bike.”
We’re not sure if Mr Freeman has tried to report a motorist running a red light to the authorities recently, but we’d hazard a guess that it probably won’t result in six penalty points for the driver based on your testimony alone…
Fabio Jakobsen crash: cycling needs to take a "hard look" at itself, says Brian Cookson
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The former UCI President says that downhill finishes should be banned, following the horror crash on stage 1 of the Tour of Poland which left 23-year-old Jakobsen fighting for his life.
Cookson told Sky News: “Everyone concerned has got to take a hard look at themselves.
“From the UCI, to the riders, to the race organisers. I’m as terrified as anyone else watching that crash, it was really horrendous.”
Cycling 'debates' on national television: some reflection
I’m permanently disabled due to a driver overtaking & turning left when I was cycling.
What you call ‘debate’ on cycling publicises views that dehumanise cyclists.
Drivers absorb this, dehumanise us & fail to believe we deserve their care when driving.@GMB @theJeremyVine pic.twitter.com/sZ1JwlDyoT
— Harrie Larrington-Spencer (@harrielspencer) August 7, 2020
Here at road.cc, some readers question why we give any airtime to certain people whose views could have a negative and/or dangerous influence on their audience; however we believe such views need to be challenged, and hopefully some sensible discussions can be had off the back of it that could lead to positive changes. Moving swiftly on…
Camden Brewery offering free beer to cyclists
Cyclists of London!
Ride your bike to our Pop-Up Beer Garden in Camden and you can try our new MOJU Collab RIDE ON Ginger Radler (on us!)Open Friday, Sat and Sunday – book ahead and walk-ins welcome. pic.twitter.com/XlfiuabP0V
— Camden Town Brewery (@CamdenBrewery) August 7, 2020
Well a single bottle of Ginger Radler actually, but it’s free so hey ho. Thirsty London cyclists can claim the freebie at the Brewery’s pop-up beer garden in Camden today and over the weekend.
Fabio Jakobsen is out of induced coma, confirms hospital
We have good news from the hospital in Sosnowiec! @FabioJakobsen is awake now from the coma. Condition is “good”. 👌#tdp20 @deceuninck_qst
— Tour de Pologne (@Tour_de_Pologne) August 7, 2020
Some excellent news, as the Dutchman has been taken out of an induced coma for the first time in two days.
A statement from St. Barbara Hospital in Sosnowiec said: “The patient is conscious, complies with the instructions and he is disconnected from the ventilator.
“We are pleased with his health today. The cyclist may leave the hospital in two weeks.”
Covid-19 testing in Utrecht: bicycles welcome, of course
Welcome to the Covid-19 testing drive through in #utrecht. Of course there are #cyclists standing in line. pic.twitter.com/yjTD5NEBtY
— Dick van Veen (@Dickvanveen) August 7, 2020
With UK driver-through test centres only accepting those with cars, perhaps it’s time we took some inspiration from the Dutch once more.
"Dylan broke a sports rule and that’s unacceptable": Jumbo-Visma publish statement on Tour of Poland crash
After the events and the terrible crash in the first stage of the Tour of Poland 2020 Team Jumbo-Visma wish to state the following⤵️#TDP20
— Team Jumbo-Visma cycling (@JumboVismaRoad) August 7, 2020
The team said they are “shocked by the consequences of the crash”, and that Dylan Groenewegen “acknowledges that he made an incorrect move”. Points 5 to 8 of the statement say:
“Team Jumbo-Visma stands for fair sportsmanship, within the rules. With his move Dylan broke a sports rule and that’s unacceptable.
“We have decided that Dylan will not start in a race until the judgment of the disciplinary committee to which the UCI has handed over the incident.
“We will support Dylan and his family as a team to come through this (mentally) tough times for them. Some of the ways they are approached are reprehensible.
“For now, the health and recovery of Fabio prevails. Our thoughts go out to Fabio Jakobsen and the other people involved in the terrible crash in the Tour of Poland.”
Jakobsen is now out of an induced coma, and Deceuninck-QuickStep are still deciding whether to take legal action against Groenewegen – full story here.
7 August 2020, 08:35
7 August 2020, 08:35
Also mustn't “enter or loiter near any bicycle storage area or cycle rack anywhere within England and Wales”
Thief who targeted high value bikes banned from town centre
Man who took seven bikes mustn’t “enter or loiter near” bike racks anywhere in the country
7 August 2020, 08:35
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I'll counter that by saying the Bryton 750se I have drives me nuts at times. Inconsistantly picks up on routes created on Komoot and the app re-syncs every few seconds when trying to set up the device and sends me back to the home screen. The most infuriating one is that I turned live track on. Once. It now won't turn off and repeatedly flags up the live track is starting, and then disconnecting every few seconds whilst riding. I haven't timed it but it wouldn't suprise me if 10-20% of the time the the screen is covered with an error message. That's been about 6 weeks now. Other than that it's great :/
RE: Police launch road safety operation... by clamping down on cyclists using footbridge Meanwhile in Glasgow, Police Scotland are riding their motorbikes over the pedestrian and cyclists only bridge. https://x.com/FietserGlasgow/status/2065106152917012523?s=20
@Paul J Van Schip certainly seems a bit of a dick, but he's a European and multiple World Champion on the track, pretty sure you don't get there without having some talent in your legs.
Poor Vincent cannot get over the simple fact that given the choice people prefer dedicated cycling spaces, rather than pretending to be cars like vehicular cyclists.
What is the point of the fancy air sensor if it can't account for changing weather conditions?? If all you care about is a delayed approximation of aerodynamic watts in steady conditions, you don't need any special sensors for that. Just your speed on a decently flat course is enough to approximate rolling resistance and drivetrain losses. And the rest must be aero. If you assume a less aero body position at the same watts, your speed will drop while rolling resistance also drops, which means approximated aero watts goes up. And that's enough to demonstrate what you've shown in your testing protocol ("I sat upright and the number went up a little while later").
Your correction is accurate - it's almost always been "the (lack of) thought that (doesn't) count". "Massive" - less than a billion a year spent on active travel (trying to catch up / building a network across the entire country) Not massive - 6 billion every year (2026-2030) spent on road *maintenance* of existing "already built, goes everywhere, very convenient" road network for inactive travel Ultimately the reason "cycle infra" is *needed* is those unbelievably colossal amounts spent every year (and for more than a century now) on making mass motoring not just viable but apparently the "best choice" for most journeys. As the Dutch and others have shown, the majority of people *are* prepared to cycle and even mix with very light, slow local motor traffic *if* cycling is also made safe and convenient for the whole of their journey (including secure parking at both ends). (The history of the financial drivers of the current situation are a complex topic but note that while people complain about "crumbling roads" and underfunded motor infra - with some reason - by us continuing the fuel duty escalator freeze (for example) we're actually helping motorists pay *even less* for that activity / subsidising more of the cost of driving than ever.)
yes, but people will still object - which was my point.
So ' Priority of Road Users' and 1.5 metre clearance at 30mph has been been reduced to 'sharing'? NCN route 2 here in South Hams is an absolute scream with white vans, tractors and total idiots who refuse,or are totally incapable,to reverse on high Devon banked lanes ...means you have to get off and pedal back to a passing place....could be at that all day...so I don't bother...
@MaxiMinimalist Agreed. The big problem I see now is today's parents grew up being driven to their schools, and therefore, see private motor vehicles as the only viable form of transport. The vast majority of UK infant and primary schools have a catchment area that is within easy walking distance from home to school. Yet, the traffic caused by pupils being driven to/from school is astonishing. Banishing the "School Run" should be a priority for all schools.
When I was a kid (that was during the previous millenium when phones were connected to a plug in the wall), I rode my bicycle to school, music academy, sport grounds, parties even during the winter. The government didn't have to spend, correct that, didn't have to think of spending massive amounts of money to build cycling specific infrastructures. Over the past 3 or 4 decades, cars have grown bigger, taller, safer (for their drivers) and faster. Meanwhile, motorists have become abusive, aggressive, hypersensitive to people moving on two wheels, aka cyclists. Spending billions upon billions on new infrastructure won't address the crux of the matter. Sadly.
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The registered tabard thing
The registered tabard thing is a great idea and should be rolled out to any private citizen who wishes to leave their home. Just think how easy it will be for the Police to identify criminals and rule breakers of all sorts. Plus the added benefit of being able to track where everyone goes, who they meet with etc using the UKs extensive surveillance camera network. You know for the public benefit, e.g Covid and in case they are terrorists and stuff.
I think Nick should pilot this scheme immediately starting with himself, family, friends and work colleagues. I expect they will be keen to support his brilliant idea and demonstrate just how effective, convenient and foolproof it can be. They can also test the ability of such tabards not to be worn by others or copied in any way. Heck, maybe a prominent barcode on the forehead might be a more reliable solution?
Mungecrundle wrote:
And if they display the tabard number on any vehicle they happen to drive it would do away with the section 172 notices, just go straight to Notice of Intended Prosecution. 🙂
The cycling proficiency test
The cycling proficiency test thing needs killing off. Its irrelevant.
Except for its adherence to the highway code, probably an own goal for the proponents of the test.
I think the cycling
I think the cycling proficiency is as harmless as being in the cubs or brownies. I’ve still got my little triangular badge somewhere.
The quaint thing about it was that it assumed everyone else was obeying the rules of the road – not “now, this is an aggressive nob in a 67 Audi – look he’s eating a banana as he goes” or “this 54 reg Clio is lost, has started a u-turn and will be reversing into your path…”
What does want killing off is the legacy of Green Cross Man and his ilk – “get out of the way of cars, children” – well intentioned at the time, no doubt but now translates as “get out of my way, everybody”.
Registered tabards doesn’t go
Registered tabards doesn’t go far enough.
It’s a general problem identifying criminals, so although we could go down the route of tattooing ID numbers onto people’s foreheads, it’s too easy to cover them with a hat, hoody, make-up etc. What we need is some kind of ID chip that can be read from a distance and have everyone implanted with one. To get around the problem of people not carrying an RFID reader (assuming RFID chips are used), what we need is to retrofit lamp-posts to have a reader and a display showing the nearby citizen numbers and contact details.
What a hypocrite! How many
What a hypocrite! How many times do we do 40mph? How many times do drivers bust the speed limit putting all road users at risk?
Hmmmmmm,
Hmmmmmm,
I’ve spotted a problem with the Tabard Idea as the Loophole lawyer argues that “My Client was not wearing the tabard on that particular day, it is impossible from the traffic cameras to say for certain who was wearing the tabard when the law was broken!”
brimanrides wrote:
That’s not a problem. It’s a revenue generation idea.
I don’t see how the tabard
I don’t see how the tabard idea can possibly work. A car’s registration number only identifies the registered keeper of the vehicle, not confirms who the driver is at any given point in time. There are so many vehicles on the road being driven without insurance, MOTs or by drivers without current driving licenses.
Mr Loophole is a moron and is just looking for attention. He says if drivers are getting penalised for road offences, cyclists should too. Effectively, he makes a living helping drivers get away with traffic offences and breaking the law but sees the cyclist as the threat. Knobhead!
Notbuilt2climb wrote:
Good point!
Good point!
Mr loophole isnt as good as
Mr loophole isnt as good as he likes to pretend. A friend has been up against him on a number of occasions and beat him every time. His client would have got the same result with a highstreet lawyer and saved a huge sum of money.
Nick Freeman lacks logic,
Nick Freeman lacks logic, sense and has no rational argument; hoist with his own tabard, methinks.
eburtthebike wrote:
No, Nick Freeman wants more Road Traffic Offences so he can get more clients!
Carior wrote:
I have to admit, that was my first thought too!
(He’s read about famous people riding bikes and though, “A-ha! There’s another possible pool of clients for me!”)
I’ve no time for ‘famous’
I’ve no time for ‘famous’ people who think they are above the law or when caught, try to avoid the repercussions of breaking it. Accept you did wrong, take the punishment and be more of a positive role model.
@road.cc can we stop giving
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What does that poll question
What does that poll question even mean? Penalty points on what? For what? Just for cycling?
Personally, I’d be quite happy with offending cyclists getting penalty points… on their driving license, if they have one. If someone rides their bike in an antisocial manner, it’s quite likely that they’ll drive their car in an antisocial manner as well, and I’d rather keep them out of the car and on the bike where they can do less damage.
mdavidford wrote:
My understanding was always that you could. At least when at Uni when everyone effectively cycled there were always red light stings at one junction and admittedly hearsay but had always heard people with driving licenses got points!
Was this in Australia, as you
Was this in Australia, as you don’t get points on your licence in the uk for cycling offences. You can’t speed on a cycle either except in royal parks (and possibly bournemouth promenade).
but if you failed a breath
but if you failed a breath test,and presumably a recreational drug test too now, whilst cycling I believe it would impact your driving licence, and you can certainly rack up points whilst not having a driving licence though admittedly those tend to be for driving offences specifically.
Apparently not – you can be
Apparently not – you can be fined up to £1k (or £2.5k if it was considered dangerous – possibly £3.5k if charged with both offences) but no points on your licence.
You don’t get penalty points
You don’t get penalty points on your licence for cycling offences in Australia either. Only the fine.
Ah, OK. I did read a post on
Ah, OK. I did read a post on here earlier in the year that claimed you did but maybe that was NZ (or simply incorrect)
According to this (and I don
According to this (and I don’t know the provenance) you can if the offence is cycling while equipped for stealing (and potentially stealing or attempting to steal a motor vehicle – though that sounds difficult to do while cycling), but otherwise not.
Anyone who makes a living out
Anyone who makes a living out of defending people on technicalities who’ve demonstrably been caught breaking a safety-related law has no place lecturing on safety.
A quick straw poll – has anyone here been worried by cyclists speeding through their village/street?
Just once in 50 plus years.
Just once in 50 plus years. Cambridge, about 3 years ago, stolen (broken lock in evidence) hire bike, crowded pedestrianised street, being ridden furiously by someone who, shall we say, appeared to be dressed like a lowlife scroat with matching can of lager in tattoo encrusted hand. Indeed just the sort of person likely to jump at the opportunity to demonstrate their law abiding ways and comply with wearing a personalised tabard.
I’ve seen some anti-social
I’ve seen some anti-social cycling, but nothing where I would be seriously worried about safety.
No, never.
No, never.
I seriously wonder where these oft repeated accounts arise from.
Your first line here is the
Your first line here is the key point.
Before he is allowed to start his spiel in any interview on his absurd bike views, any interviewer should read out him getting drivers doing 60mph in 40mph and 87 in a 50 and the others. They should then read out the stats on accidents and deaths caused by speeding. They should then ask him to explain why he feels that it is so important to get these people off on techicalities (I know it is his job and highly paid but he should be forced to say it). Finally, he should be asked why he should be allowed to call for these changhes for bikes when his main job is to try to get someone let off so they are not punished for breaking the laws and allowing those people to believe they can drive how they like as there are people like Freeman who will ensure they will not get punished unless they kill or seriously maim them. Then he can state his case in trying to remove the “protection” from the law he believes cyclists have when his whole life is built around giving it to drivers who have broken it.
the normalisation of the car
the normalisation of the car in society risks bringing on all the paraphanlia associated with owning and driving one.
is there a media silly season 2020?
GMB now need to follow up this wretched piece with a piece on all the factors shown in the Dave Walker cartoon.
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But that doesn’t even work with motor vehicles. Look at the number of times nothing has proceeded because it couldn’t be proven who was driving a motor vehicle at the time of a particular incident…
Im surprised Cycling UK just
Im surprised Cycling UK just dont “no platform” any debate involving Mr Loophole, Im not necessarily a fan of cancel culture on the whole, but I dont see why anyone who is representing cycling should feel they have to deal with him and in some way legitimise the nonsense he comes out with just by appearing alongside him and having to debate it. I know several organisations who refuse to engage with GMB interviews like this precisely because GMB arent interested in the topic or promoting balanced debates, its all about shouty rant shock DJ tactics to boost their flagging viewing figures.
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Don’t you mean ‘It’s #MilanSanRemoDay!’?
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Unless you call The Loophole Lawyer on 555-1234 TODAY!
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Personally I’ve never felt threatened by children on the roads, so I’d say any age that they can balance or younger if on a trike or with stabilisers.
Or did he mean that the children have to be old enough so that dangerous drivers don’t feel so guilty about terrorising them?
Freeman is completely
Freeman is completely avoiding the real issue as it will affect the income that supports his chosen lifestyle. Can we please stop giving this cockwomble the airtime he craves!
Absolutely no problem with young kids cycling and I doubt any responsible parent would consider letting a 5 year old cycle unattended on a busy road anyway. But let’s forget about the 17 year olds driving large, high powered vehicles immediately after they have passed their driving test, with little or no real road experience.
Great news about Fabio
Great news about Fabio Jakobsen! Get well soon and get back on that bike!
The Joshua Lewis case, who
The Joshua Lewis case, who pushed a cyclist off his bike for no reason. Delighted to hear he’s working for DHL, please tell me hes not a delivery driver.
Of course you are accountable
Of course you are accountable, in the same way that if I went and punched an old lady in the face I would be accountable for my actions. What he means is easily identifiable and prosecutable. Then it’s fine because you employ Mr loophole to say that it was your mate Bob using your jacket that had my tabard on while wheeling down a one way street
Mr loophole needs to change
Mr loophole needs to change the record. He’s happy to basically let people pay him to break the law but somehow cycling is dangerous?
People like Beckham need a kick in the plums as well for not taking it on the chin like everyone else does. Not like they can’t afford 6 months of uber or couldn’t do a track day if they wanted to go speeding.
OK, so should pedestrians be
OK, so should pedestrians be insured and have to wear tabards? What about those vulnerable pedestrians who have the gall to not wear helmets and are pushed about in prams? Put tabards on them and make them get insurance so I can claim off them when I run them over FFS
I’ve a better idea. How about
I’ve a better idea. How about Mr Loophole not being allowed out in public without one of his grandparents monitoring his behaviour?
“yes they should, and have a
“yes they should, and have a number plate, yearly mot and fully comp insurance” – sussex builders
Let’s hope sussex builders are a bit better at understanding building regs than simple things like insurance.
“Also they should pay a road
“Also they should pay a road tax, that’ll pay for these cycle lanes and cost of road repairs, 70% of damage on roads is in the 1m closest to the curb” – Paul Couldwell
Nurse, nurse !
hirsute wrote:
A recent poll of members by BC showed that 91% of members own at least one car. So they pay VED, car insurance etc. But 1,200,000 people drive around without insurance and I believe there are 800,000 vehicles without VED.
The worst bit is that these thick shits are so impervious to facts or any kind of reason or logic. It is classic out-grouping, which is result of lies being published, widely promoted and repeated daily by our mainstream media.
That one was so thick that
That one was so thick that even when it was explained to him where the axle weight of buses, lorries, vans is on a road and where the rain run offs are, he still would not change his assertion.
‘The worst bit is that these
‘The worst bit is that these thick shits are so impervious to facts or any kind of reason or logic. It is classic out-grouping, which is result of lies being published, widely promoted and repeated daily by our mainstream media’
Reminds me of something from the recent past.
It’s depressing that every
It’s depressing that every time any initiative is taken to improve facilities for people on cycles (infrastructure, Bike to Work Schemes etc`) it has to be accompanied by a blitz of ignorance, bile and hate in the media.
When a new pavement, zebra crossing, toucan crossing is built (all the time remember) there isn’t endless, hateful debate about pedestrians who cross on the ‘red man’, don’t look before crossing, always on their mobile phones, don’t pay ‘tax’ for all their infrastructure.
So I am currently watching
So I am currently watching Raleigh’s “How a bicycle is Made” on the weird channel Talking Pictures, it was fascinating. From 1945, so I am assuming just after the war to promote sales and exports.
Here it is on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_cdePe0bDQ
Maybe he should have said
Maybe he should have said motorists should be even more careful than they should normally be when close to children on bikes.
How on earth can we get everybody cycling if kids aren’t allowed out. I remember cycling when I was a youngster with very few problems. This was back in the late 50’s though when traffic was at lock down levels and drivers seemed to appreciate how lucky they were to be able to move on the roads without a great deal of physical effort. It was also pre “greed is good” when most people seemed to have a social conscience and not merely care about themselves.