Tadej Pogačar unleashes Strava KOM revenge hunt after noticing Lombardia 2021 win was flagged; A humdinger to add to the puzzling cycle lane collection; How to train like a Tour de France champ — step one, get a dog; LTN vandalism + more on the live blog
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"That's it, that's all you get!": A humdinger to add to the puzzling cycle lane collection
This one slipped through the net earlier in the week but was simply too good (or should that be bad) not to give a live blog shout out… a quite exceptional addition to the collection of Britain’s most brainless bike lanes…
Trying to plan a cycling route, and faced with crap like this. What, just ride smack into the kerb ffs? Even a shared path would be a bonus here. pic.twitter.com/urM1x2rsAx
— Paul Marshall (@paulm844) October 1, 2023
At least they were kind enough to install a sign telling you it was the end of the cycle route, as if you wouldn’t notice when you abruptly slam into the kerb. And again, don’t worry about the fact you’re going to have to stop, if you don’t crash, and either go out into the busy road or lug your bike onto the verge, we painted the tarmac green for you!
Don’t worry, it gets even better…
And if you get doored, well so be it. pic.twitter.com/HJKRSFanYG
— Paul Marshall (@paulm844) October 2, 2023
This is York Road in Jarrow, in the North East, and Paul updated everyone that he unsurprisingly opted against going all the way to be “catapulted into a traffic hell roundabout”.
“I’ve seen worse,” he added. “It should ideally stop further back or lead to a shared path. The kerb particularly bothers me as it would be easy to assume there’ll be a dropped kerb, then realise last minute that there’s not; especially if you’re heading right, suddenly got to cross two lanes.”
Thankfully, a rider from Australia was on hand to make us feel marginally less bad about our infrastructure…
This is a worldwide phenomenon, I found this in Melbourne Australia back in April.
The shared path was a lovely piece of infrastructure that wasn’t really required in the quiet residential area but it would have been nice across this very busy roundabout. pic.twitter.com/EfxfHXNwU9— Bikery (@Bikery1966) October 2, 2023
How to train like a Tour de France winner — step one, get a dog
Cutest video of the year.pic.twitter.com/V9hUqDO0NZ
— Cycling out of context (@OutOfCycling) October 4, 2023
Primož Doglič, Tadej Dogačar, Tom Pidcocker Spaniel, Lianne Whippet, Bark Cavendish, Enric Mastiff, Lotte Kopuppy. I’m here all week folks…
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Coach of Wout van Aert and Primož Roglič set to join Bora-Hansgrohe
The consensus seems to be that Bora-Hansgrohe will be the team lucky enough to have Primož Roglič winning races for them next season, a rumour strengthened by the reports that his and Wout van Aert’s coach Marc Lamberts is also expected to join the team.
Het Laaste Nieuws broke that news, explaining how the coach who has worked with Van Aert since the Jumbo-Visma rider was a teenager is to leave the team this winter.
[Luis Angel Gomez/SprintCyclingAgency]
Bora looks the likely destination for Roglič, the team moving ahead of Ineos Grenadiers, Lidl-Trek and Movistar in the race, with Jumbo-Visma reportedly set to receive a €3 million transfer fee for the early termination of his contract, the deal being financed by Red Bull who will pay the Slovenian €5.5 million per year for two years. Not a bad life…
"Mindless" low-traffic neighbourhood vandalism the result of "anti-active travel rhetoric"
This was the scene at one low-traffic neighbourhood in Edinburgh, vandals having chucked paint over a planter and sign preventing through traffic. Safer Greener Silverknows, a group promoting a “safer, healthier and more pleasant community for everyone” said the “mindless” vandalism had potentially occurred thanks to “yobs emboldened by the pro-car, anti-active travel rhetoric” we’ve heard this week…
So, what do the Dutch make of the 20mph speed limit 'debate'?
While the Conservative Party’s conference was notable (one of many reasons why it was notable, in fairness) for the transport secretary saying he opposes the blanket use of 20mph speed limits, here’s what’s happening in that Amsterdam hellscape where people in everyday clothes easily and safely walk and cycle about town…
Woke Amsterdam is a 15 minute city. Full of cyclists who are not even making 20mph, all going to their nearby artisan (coffee) shops etc! It’s a hellhole I was lucky to escape after more than 3 decades living there. #ForTheMotorists #CPC23 pic.twitter.com/oPc7oAUyJR
— Phil Jones’ body double – not just a stunt Willy (@Philsbodydouble) October 2, 2023
Yep, that hellscape… terrible isn’t it…
Well, Amsterdam is set to lower its speed limits to 18mph as of December 8, while buses and trams which use separate tracks to drivers and cyclists can still travel at up to 31mph. It’s estimated, in this story from Wales Online comparing the 20mph limits there to those closer to home, that there will be 20 to 30 per cent fewer “serious” collisions and noise pollution will also decrease. How awful… (don’t worry, I’ll go for a spin over lunch and take my sarcasm with me)…
For more 20mph-related news, check out yesterday’s live blog where we shared the story about Led By Donkeys projecting a video onto the Houses of Parliament, in which a mother who lost her child to a collision outside a school questioned why the prime minister does express support for 20mph limits…
It's that time of year
Defiant Soudal Quick-Step win AGAIN amid backdrop of merger talks
In the latest of the Italian autumn one-day races, Andrea Bagioli earned Soudal Quick-Step another win, number 55 of the season and the second since the talk of a merger with Jumbo-Visma first surfaced.
Bagio – you amazing fighter 🤗#GranPiemonte #TheWolfpack pic.twitter.com/UnAXXjv4CO
— Soudal Quick-Step Pro Cycling Team (@soudalquickstep) October 5, 2023
On Tuesday, Ilan Van Wilder won Tre Valli Varesine, afterwards not holding back in his TV interview, telling the world, “We don’t agree with this shit”.
“It’s difficult weeks for us, so this victory is really for my teammates and for our staff, to show that we don’t agree with all this shit,” he said. “We want to continue as Soudal Quick-Step. We are strong enough and I hope it will be like this.”
With Jumbo-Visma’s boss Richard Plugge reportedly going to be in charge of the new, Amazon co-sponsored outfit, speculation has grown that Soudal Quick-Step staff and riders will be hit hardest by the merger, many unlikely to get a place on the new team.
It’s believed as few as six riders, including Remco Evenepoel, would be in Plugge’s plans (Wout van Aert is reportedly keen on Belgian national team teammate Yves Lampaert also joining), plus title sponsor Soudal and Specialized bikes.
In short, not much left for those not deemed important enough for the merged team. The Italian puncheur is off to Lidl-Trek next season, but we’ll see if Bagioli uses his winning platform to air another message from the resistance…
Council blames Tory Government's slashed active travel budget after only one in three cycling and walking projects receives funding
Sadiq Khan's cycling and walking programmes still "stuck on the drawing board"
Green Party London Assembly member Siân Berry has spoken out about the “astonishing length of time to work on [Sadiq Khan’s active travel] plans that haven’t got beyond paper”.
The comments refer to the Liveable Neighbourhoods initiative, announced in 2017, approved in 18 locations across London and which include increased pedestrian space, cycle lanes and safer crossings.
However, My London reports that more than half have been “indefinitely paused since the pandemic”. Only two, Coppermill Village in Waltham Forest and Brixton town centre have started construction, Transport for London no longer inviting new bids for funding through the programme.
The mayor’s office told Ms Berry that TfL “continues to engage” with boroughs over the projects, however Berry replied “it is no good to anyone if schemes to make London greener get stuck on the drawing board”.
“We urgently need a rapid, well-funded and comprehensive scheme to transform London into a network of green, people-friendly streets,” she said.
A-Z of cycling jargon: find out what over 150 strange terms really mean
> A-Z of cycling jargon: find out what over 150 strange terms really mean
Tadej Pogačar unleashes Strava KOM revenge hunt after noticing "my Lombardia 2021 was flagged"
Can whoever it is flagging Tadej Pogačar’s rides on Strava please stop it? The man’s got an Il Lombardia hat-trick attempt to rest up for, he doesn’t need to be smashing KOM recovery missions 48 hours out from race day.
First they came for his Tour of Flanders win (no, really, the wall-to-wall TV coverage and thousands of roadside fans weren’t enough legitimacy apparently), now it’s his 2021 Lombardia file…
> Tadej Pogačar uploads Tour of Flanders win to Strava… gets flagged
Only one thing for it… better get them back, fuelled by the rage and injustice of a flagrant flagger…
Fair enough, there’s something pretty cool about being able to say ‘flag as much as you want, I’ll just go get them back in training’. Yep, that’s seven KOMs successfully returned to their rightful owner, mainly on the climb out of Gazzaniga.
Not just reclaimed, reclaimed and put out of reach, 40 SECONDS faster than the 2021 Il Lombardia peloton over the full 9km at 7 per cent sector. The final kilometre at 9 per cent plus? Yeah, I’ll just smash up that at 20km/h…
Don’t poke the bear…
5 October 2023, 08:18
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Another rival at a similar price point is the Ridgeback Panorama which comes with a front rack and a dynamo lighting system.
Wouldn’t happen to a French rider. French judge.
FACT I got my bikes rear wheel to 115kmh by putting it upside down and spinning the cranks by hand. It doesn't have a motor. The bike could probably go even faster if flung off a tall building. Hashtag science.
"One of the least mentioned is that in the event of a dinged or buckled rim, you can still ride, at least to a degree." What about if the disc gets buckled e.g. when the bike has been transported in a bag? How easy is it to straighten out a disc? Can the bike still be ridden?
I'm reminded of Hincapie's handlebar/steerer tube misfortune at the 2006 Paris-Roubaix, and the wonder I felt that durability priority had sunk that far. And I'll always feel better about a high-speed blowout on my tubs than anything else.
Yes, I don't disagree with you. I wasn't meaning to advocate for her in the role, just observing. Although the ambition was nice to hear, for a change. Unless I've missed something, as of 23:30 the Transport Secretary still hasn't been announced? Doesn't say a lot for that as a priority, but I get there are other things to announce first. I'm more interested in the appointment of Lucy Powell and "changing the education system". Will wait and see, I suppose.
Doesn't sound good. On the other hand if you read the papers (particularly Private Eye - recommend their recent podcasts) you'll see it's not at all unusual for the poachers of business (consultancy, accounting, tech, gambling...) to become the gamekeepers of the public purse / data - or at least advisors on the same. Who better to know exactly the sharp practices of industry players we should be wary of giving contracts to? And if we head in the direction of how it works in the US (as some of the politicians seem keen) I can assure you this kind of thing will increase in a way that will make anyone paying attention wish for the innocent days of such minor peccadillos!
He hasn't got away with it. He will eventually be caught, most likely when he commits further offences. When this happens he will also be charged with non-appearance.
Much as Louise Haig seemed to start out on the right track as transport secretary (a) she hardly got going and (b) if the issue was she hadn't revealed a fraud then and was outed, I don't think "now everyone knows so it's fine, can I come back?" should apply. Of course others might say that - given the small size of the actual offense and the not mentioning thereof - she's far below the standard level of shamelessness. Indeed isn't the usual way to say it's none of anyone's business / she shouldn't need to declare anything etc.?
@DJameson Actually in the USA it's common to charge murder with a "lesser included" manslaughter alternative, so the jury can still convict of manslaughter if they're not convinced of the murder evidence. In the UK a judge can offer the jury the option and say if you're not convinced it's murder you can still convict of manslaughter.
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Hopefully with the new LTN1
Hopefully with the new LTN1/20 cycle infrastructure design guide these sort of rubbish cycle lanes will be a thing of the past.
I spotted this cracking 2m cycle lane recently, resplendent with circular cycle lane sign, immediately followed by a cyclists dismount sign (but given the amount of overgrowth, you’d probably fall off before you got a chance to dismount).
I get it’s designed so you can stop on the left before crossing over, but it’s clearly of no use to anyone. I had a look at streetview to see it only took four years to be reclaimed by nature…
I’m not sure LTN 1/20 offers
I’m not sure LTN 1/20 offers any guarantees, it’s only guidance.
Plus you can still end up with a mess like this “killer” bike lane.
https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/23834204.ipswich-surveyor-slams-roadworks-near-suffolk-new-college/
Or odd things like this https
Or odd things like this https://maps.app.goo.gl/kwpmWQfpwWEGkQKv9
At least this one was built before LTN1/20 but if we are talking about wacky cycle lanes.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/itZQfKqh3zTWbp4v8
I’m guessing that cycle
I’m guessing that cycle bypass has been made extra wacky by idiots in cars. Looking back at 2012 it was a car bypass lane. I suspect when they (council or a developer) opened it as a cycle bypass in circa 2016 (going of Streetview), idiots continued to try to drive down it and in a hasty reaction to it the council installed those cheverons.
Well it wouldn’t surprise me
Well it wouldn’t surprise me on that road if people did try to drive down it, even now, and when they hit the barriers they bend in towards the cycle lane adding even more hazard if it wasnt bad enough having not been swept since 2016.
But it started out as a trial to get rid of the roundabout traffic lights, which then made the cut through lane unnecessary, except someone thought hey let’s make it a cycle bypass lane instead, which of course is then give way to exiting & accelerating vehicles from the roundabout.
When they officially adopted that scheme roughly 2016, they installed those barriers from the off, as well as did work to shrink the width of the lane.
I don’t use it.
I’m guessing its a 2 stage
I’m guessing its a 2 stage right turn, it looks well used , NOT! Things seemed to be going in the right direction to stop farcilities such as this being built but Sunak’s latest political agenda has me worried again :-/
St.Bernard Hinault.
St.Bernard Hinault.
Sa-luke-i Rowe
Sa-luke-i Rowe
Jack Russell Haig
Tadej Pugacar
Tadej Pugacar
Egan Bernese
Egan Bernese
Wouf Van Aert
Wouf Van Aert
Chris Boardman Collie
Chris Boardman Collie
Tom Pid-Cocker Spaniel
Tom Pid-Cocker Spaniel
Alberto Labrador
Alberto Labrador
Philippa Yorkie.
Philippa Yorkie.
American Bully XL – err,
American Bully XL – err, sorry, I meant to type “Lance Armstrong”
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Bears/woods, Pope/Catholic… I could go on.
RE: “Mindless” low-traffic
RE: “Mindless” low-traffic neighbourhood vandalism the result of “anti-active travel rhetoric” (Silverknowes)
Fairly near to me. For ref: Silverknowes itself is a mostly very quiet residential place – I suspect mostly better-off (though not absolutely minted) and/or retired folks. The picture actually shows a road off Main Street, the main road into Davidsons Mains. This is not bad but still a bit stroad-y as it is a “high street” – a “place” with both ameneties and residential properties on it, but with a bus route or two and which functions as a distributor / connector road. (Still waaaay more pleasant than the “urban motorway” of Queensferry Road running parallel though!).
Planters here block the road encouraging a kind of mini LTN. It ought to be very little value as a cut-through … except you can indeed use it to cut off a corner (say if traffic had slowed for the next 100 metres) and reach the Queensferry Road via Corbiehill Road.
How many seconds does that
How many seconds does that save you?
Oh probably three or four.
Oh probably three or four. Actually if you were stuck because e.g. a bus had stopped and other traffic was unable to overtake, or the junction was temporarily blocked, I could imagine it might save you up to a minute (which is a very long time in driving). Or you could use this to get direct to other access points on the Queensferry Road – but then you might be waiting at those for longer to get onto the main road…
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Bl**dy hell.
Bl**dy hell.
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/live-bmw-driver-stands-trial-27825012
Acquited! App used on phone
Acquited! App used on phone 10 seconds before collision and driver driving between 41-49mph in a 30mph zone.
I didn’t read the whole text. Was the phone handheld or in a cradle?
Cradle.
“Was the phone handheld or in a cradle?”
Cradle.
Don’t forget :-
Hit on a Toucan crossing.
Cyclist’s bike and trainers left 30ft away.
Cyclist ‘thrown into the air and lands on the opposite carriageway’
Jury deliberated for less than an hour.
Walks free from court without any action – not even points on his licence…
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/bmw-driver-walks-free-court-27847465
Where’s the justice for Tesform Hebtemichael.
Lights were green = cyclist
Lights were green = cyclist should not have been there = not guilty.
As we always say, if you want to kill someone, use your car to do it, especially if they are a cyclist.
GREEN means you may go on if
GREEN means you may go on if the way is clear. Take special care if you intend to turn left or right and give way to pedestrians who are crossing.
Had he been a pedestrian instead of a cyclist, his clothing would not have been a factor.
It doesn’t actually say if he started crossing the road when a “red man” light was displayed – he could well have been crossing when a “green man” light was on and it changed part way.
Sorry, allowing time for red
Sorry, allowing time for red lights to become “established” is only a thing for motorists. What with pedestrians moving slowly that would obviously be bonkers! No, as soon as the light turns red you’ve got one more step to carry you the rest of the way across (“go go Gadget legs!”) but that’s it. Otherwise you’re fair game.
Don’t you know that holding up the traffic (the “engine which drives the economy”) makes you an enemy of the people? Why do you think we have minimum speed limits?
chrisonatrike wrote:
I believe I heard an MP saying this yesterday….
No, green means go and all
No, green means go and all bets are off for anyone in the way.
And “driving at no less than
And “driving at no less than 44mph in a 30mph zone”! Would he have been able to better avoid Mr Hebtemichael if he’d been driving at – or below – the speed limit??
From the report, the
From the report, the prosecution claimed a minimum speed of 44mph the defence expert said 40 -50 mph. The brake lights were on 15.7m from the crossing. Here are the braking distances from a RAC website. This braking distance doesn’t include thinking distance as brake lights already on.
20mph 6 metres
30mph 14 metres
40mph 24 metres
50mph 38 metres
From the above it is clear the cyclist would still be alive had the motorist not been speeding.
This doesn’t take into account the possible complication of mobile phone distraction which has been shown to exist for many seconds or even minutes after mobile phone use. It is possible that without this distraction the motorist would have seen the cyclist even sooner and the cyclist would have had plenty of time to get across.
The lights were green though so the jury has presumably decided that the driver did well to brake at all. “The driver had no chance.” Where have we heard that before?
It reminds me of the cyclist who was found guilty of causing the death of a motorcyclist who was speeding because he turned right into the path of the motorcyclist presumably thinking he had time to get across if the motorcycle was travelling at the speed limit.
The big question that we
The big question that we should all consider is this:
On the face of the report there appears to be overwhelming Prima Facie evidence to support a conviction, yet the Jury returned a not guilty verdict. I can think of three other cases similar to this: The 18 year old triathlete killed in Kent, the two pensioners killed in Wales and the two toddlers killed in Leicester.
The impression I am left with is Juries reflect the general public perception, driving a little bit too fast may be considered the norm, using a mobile phone is OK, drivers who end up in a serious collision whilst doing these ‘normal’ activities were just unlucky. This is the impression I get when reading these reports.
The case with CyclingMikey, where there was clear video evidence the driver deliberately and repeatedly struck Mikey, but the driver was acquited. And some news reports seemed to imply Mikey was the person at fault.
And TV adverts for cars these days are all about the ability to remain connected to social networks whilst driving. The Peugeot 208 advert where the driver was receiving text messages “wish you were here”. The Toyota Aygo advert depicting the driver repeadetly making sharp changes of direction in a built up location, whilst deciding on whether to accept the text message invitations to either watch the football match, or a ‘shag’!!!!
Watch all the car reviews on Youtube, they all go deeply into Apple Carplay and Android Auto, how the Infotainment [doesn’t] work. Driving and texting, Facetiming, selecting tracks on Spotify seems to be accepted as the ‘norm’.
During the General Election in 2015, I woke up one morning to the news that both the Labour and Conservatives would be announcing their plans to “End the War on Motorists” that day. I expect to hear the same during the next general election too.
Road safety is no longer on the agenda, and hasn’t been for many years.
I think it’s “unintentionally
I think it’s “unintentionally killed” – a new version of “there was nothing they could do”.
The fact of them chosing to drive at all is so far from being considered as a choice it seems our consideration that how they were driving is also starting to be less relevant (e.g. speed, using phone, licenced or not, car being legal to drive…) Because they had to drive. Every journey is apparently required. Journies are normally depicted as acts for others – going to check on someone, needing to be at work / back at home to support dependents…
It’s the white-van-man’s burden – driving for others. It’s almost a penance as you even have to pay to do so…
There’s an issue with the jury / judiciary discounting faults on the part of the driver as “they would have made no difference to the outcome”. The principle seems reasonable but as others have noted that often seems to go further – to be assuming the results of bad choices. A kind of “incompetence paradox”. So accepting “they couldn’t stop in time / had no time to react” but discounting that this was partly / wholly because the driver was already driving over the limit.
Choosing to speed not only makes the outcomes worse but reduces the time to detect a potential collision and what could be done to prevent or mitigate it.
Trevor Anderson wrote:
A million percent this. I say it often, but nearly everyone drives, and (looking at KSI stats, speed compliance stats, studies on rule-breaking, etc.) nearly everyone drives badly. So what happens when you draw the jury/judge/barristers from this pool of people? Road crime hardly gets punished.
We don’t put murderers on trial in front of a jury of murderers, or fraudsters in front of a jury of fraudsters, but we put dangerous drivers on trial in front of a jury of people who do the same stuff day-in, day-out but just haven’t gotten “unlucky” yet. That’s why the CPS drops intentional, concious acts of violence involving a car from “attempted murder” or “assault” or even “dangerous driving” to the banal “careless driving”, and why the sentences are an absolute joke – because if they weren’t, there would literally never be a conviction.
I want to be shocked by this
I want to be shocked by this result, but I’m really not.
How can people read about this and claim there is a “War on Motorists”?
Had the driver obeyed the speed limit he might have avoided killing the cyclist. If the speed limit had been 20mph……
HoldingOn wrote:
War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
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(not sure mine fits anymore !)
Hirsute wrote:
Well, it is almost 40 years old
Trevor Anderson wrote:
By a jury of speeding drivers addicted to their mobile phones perhaps?
How can browsing an app for home CCTV whilst speeding and swerving lanes through a junction be deemed to be the behaviour of a careful and competent driver (i.e. not careless)?
The whole area appears to be streetlit too, so the cyclist should have been visible. Of course the cyclist should not have crossed when they did, but had the driver been adhering to the speed limit, there may have been no collision.
This verdict normalises speeding and mobile phone use behind the wheel. Appalling.
That acquittal is a licence
That acquittal is a licence to mow down anyone cycling in black
lesterama wrote:
And had the result gone the other way, would it have been a license to ride with no lights, reflectors, and dark clothing?
A Losers wrote:
You really, really are a piece of sh*t aren’t you.
P*ss off troll.
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Thank you for your valued contribution to the discussion.
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Flintshire Boy wrote:
It’s like rain on your wedding day
essexian wrote:
Someone literally asked me to retract calling Rendel “a nasty piece of work”
I do not intend to name drop him, but the fact I get called out for that, but you can use such abusive language on a perfectly reasonable comment is clearly a double standard and a reflection of bias & hypocrisy on this site.
Mods – take note, if this is left up, it’s left up as a precedent to all.
Mods take note. This person
Mods take note. This person is a previously banned user and makes no qualms in admitting it. So if they are not removed it sets a precedent for all.
What we’ve got here is…
What we’ve got here is… failure to communicate. Some men (as opposed to the site as a whole, last week) you just can’t reach.
The vulnerable road users are set against each other, fighting over scraps.
As the War on the Motorist grinds on (into its 137th year this year) I fear we will only see more of this kind of thing.
AlsoSomniloquism wrote:
Fake news.
I suppose it doesn’t surprise
I suppose it doesn’t surprise me for someone of your political following to call the truth “fake news”. Classic right wing playbook.
Tell me you are not “thisismyusername” from previously on this site, and I will show you a god-damn liar.
Left_is_for_Losers wrote:
One assumes you mean name check rather than name drop, the latter meaning to mention an actual or imagined connection with a person of celebrity in order to enhance your own status.
For somebody who doesn’t intend to “name drop” me you do it an awful lot; obsessively, some might say.
Even just this morning you have said that this site is biased and hypocritical and that the community here is corrupt and spiteful; yesterday you were extolling the virtues of other sites, saying how much better they were than this one. Same question as usual, why the hell are you here, particularly as you have already been banned under a previous guise?
Left_is_for_Losers wrote:
No, because riding unlit in dark clothing (although unwise) isn’t a crime whereas driving whilst using your phone at almost double the speed limit is.
Also, wearing dark clothing wouldn’t be the cause of a collision, because someone driving to the light/conditions should easily be able to spot someone dressed in black. Just as you’d expect someone driving to the conditions to be able to spot any of the thousands of other hazards that wouldn’t be lit or covered in Hi-Vis .
BalladOfStruth wrote:
It’s a mitigating factor – as a person you have a responsibility to make yourself seen in the dark, be aware of your surroundings (i.e. not go onto a crossing 15m in front of a speeding driver)
It’s not “easy” to spot people riding in black – you try doing that in a narrow country road near me and you’d be off before you knew it in an accident.
“She says she had seen the
“She says she had seen the cyclist before the BMW hit him but she doesn’t know if he was on the road or the kerb”
One of the witness statements.
Left_is_for_Losers wrote:
It absolutley is if you’re driving to the conditions (which is in the driver’s best interest because a lot of the unlit hazards you’ll encounter are more dangerous to you than you are to them).
I live in remote countryside, nearly all of my driving is on winding singletrack. I personally have no issue spotting and avoiding pedestrians/shed loads/escaped livestock/downed trees/etc at night because (unlike seemingly most motorists) I don’t think it’s my God-given right to drive flat out in the pitch black with no regards for other people’s safety.
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So was more concerned about what was going on at home, than what was happening around him…?
Also explains “told officers
Also explains “told officers he thought the speed limit was 40mph – but he was actually in a 30mph zone.”
His defence being I was so distracted by my phone, its understandable I didn’t know the speed limit.
As he lived just down that
As he lived just down that road a mile from the collision he must have been using his phone for the last at least 12 years according to Google streetview. Although unfortunately at the time of the killing, using the phone for anything other then a phone call / text message was legal due to arseholes like Poophole and the slow delay of the government to rectify said loophole.
I wonder if the prosectution decided to raise how long the road as been a 30 compared to how long he has lived “just off it” as part of its prosecution case, along with the said stopping distances of a driver travelling at the correct speed to one doing “between 40 and 50” as per his own defence.
Both easily proving careless driving. Just a shame the jury were so biased.
“He confirmed there are no
“He confirmed there are no warning signs such as “elderly or horses or cyclists”.
A policeman said when asked. Do we have to let drivers know now that there might be cyclists or horses or old people on the road?
Driving 50% over the limit, but if he’d been travelling at the limit he could probably have stopped, or at least not inflicted mortal injuries.
“Dilks was driving at “not less than 44pmh” the prosecution say when the incident occurred.
The speed limit for the area is 30mph.
The jury has heard that Dilks began braking 15.4m before the start of the toucan crossing – the other side of the toucan crossing was 19.4m away.
The court heard that at the speed Dilks was travelling he would need 27.6m to stop and “he couldn’t avoid the collision”.”
eburtthebike wrote:
The court heard that Dilks so completely misjudged the road conditions and his own incompetence that “he couldn’t avoid the collision”.
Thus demonstrating that his driving was far below the standard required to pass the DVSA test.
Guilty as charged.
I reckon this is the crossing
I reckon this is the crossing in question, with the cyclist travelling from right to left…
https://maps.app.goo.gl/AQvMmj4VG77TPSdK9
Lessons to learn for all…
Lessons to learn for all…
But…wearing dark clothing, entering a toucan crossing 15m from a speeding car, and having no lights or reflectors does not help yourself either
Likewise not speeding or using your phone will also help prevent accidents.
Do you get off talking
Do you get off talking nonsense???? I bet you do.
Just go away loser.
essexian wrote:
Hello, the fact you got 12 likes on that, and had I said similar I would be accused of trolling and asked to retract that says all you need to know about the corrupt and spiteful community here.
Wait! That dog’s not wearing
Wait! That dog’s not wearing a helmet.
Does anyone know what time
Does anyone know what time the BMW driver killed the cyclist?
Sunset on that day in that location was 18:03.
Was it light or dark?
mattw wrote:
According to local news reports at the time, “around 7pm”.
Did anybody pick up on this
Did anybody pick up on this statement by the defence solicitor?
“A dark backdrop would make seeing a black male wearing black clothing even more difficult”
I suppose for future cases of this type, the defence will claim in daytime you can’t see a white ethnic cyclist in enough time to brake.