Custom shoe designer surprised to hear Bradley Wiggins is a fan; Cyclist pushed off bike in ambush robbery; Former Tour de France leader banned; Sadiq Khan defends cycle lanes; Removal of bike lane delayed by protest + more on the live blog

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1. There is already a shortage

   There is already a shortage of bikes … been trying to buy one for the last several weeks, without success. Been told there should be some stock of the model and size I am after next week but there won’t be many and they will go quickly, so probably just need to get lucky and be on the site during the small window when they are there. 

   I can wait, and it is definitely a first world problem, but another of the many frustrations created by the current situation. 

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2. “58 per cent were in favour

   “58 per cent were in favour of it which some have suggested casts doubt on the council’s claim that a large number of complaints was the reason for its planned removal.”

   42% is a large amount. It’s just not a majority. Sorry to pick at this, but the semantics bugged me.

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   • There’s no evidence that the

     There’s no evidence that the 42% all made complaints. Probably most of them didn’t.

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     • 58% in favor is great. You

       58% in favor is great. You are much more likely to hear from people who don’t like something, than from those who do.

       If we all wrote them to tell them we found the M25 annoying and would like it removed, how many letters would they get from people saying they like it and use it every day?

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3. Fantastic action by

   Fantastic action by Extinction Rebellion and Stop Killing Cyclists, I doff my chapeau a thousand times.  When democracy doesn’t work, direct action is needed from the people, and this demonstration of people power is exactly what’s needed to show that the majority want the cycle lane, and it’s the voluble minority of cycle haters who want it taken out.

   Hopefully, this will get plenty of press coverage, and some of it might even be positive, not the DM of course, and lead to a bigger debate about what kind of cities we want to live in.

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   • Completely disagree, just

     Completely disagree, just plays into the narrative that cyclists are part of a loonie left mob. Not in my name.

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     • Nigel, do you think all

       Nigel, do you think all direct action protests imply “loonie”, or just those carried out by SKC or XR?

       Do you think civil rights marches in decades past were “loonie” too? Stonewall actions? Or just when it comes to cycling? Safe cycling is just as much a social justice issue as any of these.

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       • Specifically XR – these

         Specifically XR – these people have nothing to do with saving the planet and climate and are simply a bunch of anti-democratic neo-Marxists. A rent-a-mob who achieve nothing but the opposite to the stated aims of their “movement”.

         Dozens and dozens of examples, e.g. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/extinction-rebellion-protester-defaced-winston-churchill-statue-racist-a4567626.html

         They don’t speak for me in any capacity on any issue.

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         • Nigel Garrage wrote:

           Specifically XR – these people have nothing to do with saving the planet and climate and are simply a bunch of anti-democratic neo-Marxists. A rent-a-mob who achieve nothing but the opposite to the stated aims of their “movement”.

           Dozens and dozens of examples, e.g. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/extinction-rebellion-protester-defaced-winston-churchill-statue-racist-a4567626.html

           They don’t speak for me in any capacity on any issue.

           — Nigel Garrage

           Hmmm.  Anti-democratic neo-Marxists.  Hmmm.  Maybe you could provide some actual proof of your somewhat absurd allegations, instead of the single example you use to try to illustrate it, which merely proves the vindictive nature of the establishment to anyone who dares to challenge it?

         • I can’t speak to their neo

           I can’t speak to their neo-Marxism, and it would be an insult to Marx to suggest that the mindless “boo capitalism” of much of XR owes much to his work. 
           They’re certainly anti-democratic though: a self-appointed group with no electoral legitimacy taking it upon themselves to affect the lives of other people, without giving those people any opportunity to approve or reject their actions. You may agree with those actions, but they are not democratic. 
           I don’t see that (near me at least) they’re productive. The protest near me blocked Elephant & Castle at rush hour (when we had such a thing), so the main people affected were people (disproportionately poor and black) on buses, and middle-class cyclists like me. I didn’t notice anyone saying “this is a great idea, I’ll make sure not to use the car I don’t have in future”.

         • eburtthebike wrote:

           Hmmm.  Anti-democratic neo-Marxists.  Hmmm.  Maybe you could provide some actual proof of your somewhat absurd allegations

           — eburtthebike

           Well, let’s see. There have already been examples posted… the defacing of Churchill’s statue… The blockading of the free press… SWP and Young Communist Leage placards at the protests and infiltration of the organisation…

           Then there is the “Rising up” draft manifesto (https://risingup.org.uk/draft-manifesto), a laughable “back-of-fag-packet” economic manifesto which appears to have been dreamt by an NUS 2nd year arts student. Abolishing interest on loans and effectively nationalising private property would appear to fix nicely into that model.

           As for anti-democratic, their entire movement is based on anti-democracy – direct unpopular action, reviled by the vast majority of voters, directly against the legitimate parliamentary representatives of the people.

           *edit* although it is fair to criticise what I’ve written as an insult to Marx, who was one of the great thinkers of the late 19th century. Some consider it more “Neo-feudalism” than Marxism, e.g. https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/09/10/extinction-rebellion-radical-reactionaries/

         • Nigel Garrage wrote:

           Hmmm.  Anti-democratic neo-Marxists.  Hmmm.  Maybe you could provide some actual proof of your somewhat absurd allegations

           — Nigel Garrage

           Well, let’s see. There have already been examples posted… the defacing of Churchill’s statue… The blockading of the free press… SWP and Young Communist Leage placards at the protests and infiltration of the organisation…

           Then there is the “Rising up” draft manifesto (https://risingup.org.uk/draft-manifesto), a laughable “back-of-fag-packet” economic manifesto which appears to have been dreamt by an NUS 2nd year arts student. Abolishing interest on loans and effectively nationalising private property would appear to fix nicely into that model.

           As for anti-democratic, their entire movement is based on anti-democracy – direct unpopular action, reviled by the vast majority of voters, directly against the legitimate parliamentary representatives of the people.

           — eburtthebike

           Hmm. But maybe you could provide some proof.

           Plenty of demonstrations are disruptive.  That doesn’t make them neo-Marxist or anti-democratic.  The involvement in some groups within a movement doesn’t align the whole movement.  On the contrary, from its own website:

           “If we are to have any hope of coping with the emergency, we have to move beyond the politics that have so far held us back, and into listening, dialogue and towards unity and action. Extinction Rebellion does not want to seize power, we want to place power in the hands of citizens.”

           That sounds quite democratic, to me.  It might not be the version of democracy you are used to or want (but then powerful fossil fuel lobby groups isn’t really democratic, either), but it is expressly democratic, and its objectives are primarily climate-focused, for the bnenefit of all – which is also democratic.

           I’m not against XR being described as Marxist, however I’d prefer it if that was the basis of an evidence-based objective assessment of its structure, beliefs and objectives, rather than used as a basis for pejorative insult.

         • Nigel Garrage wrote:

           As for anti-democratic, their entire movement is based on anti-democracy – direct unpopular action, reviled by the vast majority of voters, directly against the legitimate parliamentary representatives of the people.

           — Nigel GarrageIf only those anti-democratic, car-hating Dutch had listened to you instead of the “Stop the kindermord” movement, which blocked roads, demanded safety and hassled politicians, against the will of the majority.  Nothing just happens, you have to fight for what is right, democratic or not, especially when the majority are dumber than the average sheep.

         • eburtthebike wrote:

           If only those anti-democratic, car-hating Dutch had listened to you instead of the “Stop the kindermord” movement, which blocked roads, demanded safety and hassled politicians, against the will of the majority.  Nothing just happens, you have to fight for what is right, democratic or not, especially when the majority are dumber than the average sheep.

           — eburtthebike

           You originally said that calling XR anti-democratic was “[an] absurd allegation”. Yet you’ve just claimed that the suspension of democracy is a means to an end, that “the majority are dumber than the average sheep”, and that “you have to fight for what is right”. I’m sure Tommy Robinson has a similar view to you, but we’ll leave that discussion for another day.

           I want you to do a little read-up on the “Stop the kindermord” movement: https://www.lcc.org.uk//pages/holland-in-the-1970s.

           What do you notice about the photos, the descriptions? Do you think it looks similar to XR of today? No, of course not, because Stop the kindermord was a popular, peaceful, protest by normal people, against a disgracefully high number of road accidents and fatalities. It won because it achieved its aims through reasoned argument in a democratic manner. No statues or monuments were desecrated. No newspapers were blockaded. No one treated the protests as a dressing up competition.

           Everyone has a right to peacefully protest, and peaceful protest has a long history in our democracy. It shines a light on injustice, and brings a public understanding of the issues at hand, putting pressure on politicians to act, eventually causing them to crumble under a deluge of public opinion.

           The way that XR go about “protesting” alienates rather than unites. They detract from the issues at hand and antagonise the very people they need to persuade. But that’s because they don’t want to really solve the problem – they are professional protesters who want to fight. They are like 5 year olds who’ve never heard the story of the North Wind and the Sun.

         • Nigel Garrage wrote:

           If only those anti-democratic, car-hating Dutch had listened to you instead of the “Stop the kindermord” movement, which blocked roads, demanded safety and hassled politicians, against the will of the majority.  Nothing just happens, you have to fight for what is right, democratic or not, especially when the majority are dumber than the average sheep.

           — Nigel Garrage

           You originally said that calling XR anti-democratic was “[an] absurd allegation”. Yet you’ve just claimed that the suspension of democracy is a means to an end, that “the majority are dumber than the average sheep”, and that “you have to fight for what is right”. I’m sure Tommy Robinson has a similar view to you, but we’ll leave that discussion for another day.

           I want you to do a little read-up on the “Stop the kindermord” movement: https://www.lcc.org.uk//pages/holland-in-the-1970s.

           What do you notice about the photos, the descriptions? Do you think it looks similar to XR of today? No, of course not, because Stop the kindermord was a popular, peaceful, protest by normal people, against a disgracefully high number of road accidents and fatalities. It won because it achieved its aims through reasoned argument in a democratic manner. No statues or monuments were desecrated. No newspapers were blockaded. No one treated the protests as a dressing up competition.

           Everyone has a right to peacefully protest, and peaceful protest has a long history in our democracy. It shines a light on injustice, and brings a public understanding of the issues at hand, putting pressure on politicians to act, eventually causing them to crumble under a deluge of public opinion.

           The way that XR go about “protesting” alienates rather than unites. They detract from the issues at hand and antagonise the very people they need to persuade. But that’s because they don’t want to really solve the problem – they are professional protesters who want to fight. They are like 5 year olds who’ve never heard the story of the North Wind and the Sun.

           — eburtthebike

           You are Socraticycless and ICMFP.

       • No but XR could help their
         No but XR could help their cause(s) greatly by dropping their brand of politics from it,which is always just below the surface of every stunt they do.

         The Daily Mail isnt responsible for this cycle lane removal, they havent relentlessly campaigned against it or forced the council to do anything, so what does protesting outside their office actually achieve, let alone mean ?

         Will Kensington & Chelsea council turn around & go, sorry got that wrong your protest outside the Daily Mail totally convinced us to reinstate the cycle lane,thanks XR for opening our eyes to this injustice.

         Because that’s the aim of the protest right ? To get the cycle lane reinstated…

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         • Awavey wrote:

           No but XR could help their cause(s) greatly by dropping their brand of politics from it,which is always just below the surface of every stunt they do. The Daily Mail isnt responsible for this cycle lane removal, they havent relentlessly campaigned against it or forced the council to do anything, so what does protesting outside their office actually achieve, let alone mean ? Will Kensington & Chelsea council turn around & go, sorry got that wrong your protest outside the Daily Mail totally convinced us to reinstate the cycle lane,thanks XR for opening our eyes to this injustice. Because that’s the aim of the protest right ? To get the cycle lane reinstated…

           — Awavey

           Any protest action is political. Any group or individual that participates brings their own brand. It is impossible to leave your politics behind whilst participating in action for change.

            

            

         • Theres nothing political
           Theres nothing political about wanting cycle lanes,and it should be possible to totally leave politics out of it, because all that happens if you dont is instead of rationally debating with opponents,from all political views, cycle lanes and showing them the real benefits, we spin off in tangents and argue about what Marxism really is or whats the latest meme we can attach to former UKIP leaders, none of which advances the case for a cycle lane one iota.

           And that’s what annoys me the most, it diverts all the attention, focus& energy away from the thing we actually want to campaign about and actually should be caring about the most, those kids who rode that cycle lane yesterday are impacted by these decisions, we owe it to them to be a bit more grown up about how we campaign on their behalf.

         • Awavey wrote:

           Theres nothing political about wanting cycle lanes,and it should be possible to totally leave politics out of it, because all that happens if you dont is instead of rationally debating with opponents,from all political views, cycle lanes and showing them the real benefits, we spin off in tangents and argue about what Marxism really is or whats the latest meme we can attach to former UKIP leaders, none of which advances the case for a cycle lane one iota. And that’s what annoys me the most, it diverts all the attention, focus& energy away from the thing we actually want to campaign about and actually should be caring about the most, those kids who rode that cycle lane yesterday are impacted by these decisions, we owe it to them to be a bit more grown up about how we campaign on their behalf.

           — Awavey

           I’m sorry Awavey, but I can’t agree

           politics
           noun
           UK  /ˈpɒl.ə.tɪks/ 

           US  /ˈpɑː.lə.tɪks/
            
           B1 [ U ]
           the activities of the government, members of law-making organizations, or people who try to influence the way a country is governed

           [Source https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/politics%5D

            

           It’s all about changing government, at whatever level, local or national. It is intrinsically political

         • Wanting cycle lanes is common

           Wanting cycle lanes is common sense, right? To us, it all falls into place as making complete sense.  Taking a car on a three mile journey across town is in most instances disproportionate, lazy, costly etc. 

           Yet I still come up against what to an awful lot of people is their “common sense” e.g. that bike lanes hold up the traffic, aren’t used, “dear Mr Editor, my four mile trip took an hour yesterday…” “the main road is closed 9 miles away from my small town centre pub and my trade is affected” and all the rest of it.

           Many People have no experience of cycling, other than as some far-off childhood thing; they now have no memory of life before it was cars everywhere, all the bloody time, and they have no vision of what it could be like future-wise.

           Our proposition of the future is alien to them – instead of the warm and comfy no-effort SUV leased on such reasonable terms – we offer sweat, oily hands, out of breath, cold, chafing.  No wonder they react with such horror, develop I can’t possibly cycle infirmities, and run in to the welcoming arms of Conservative politicians. 

           This absolutely is political – we have engage with and  to play the politics to try to gain ground.  Even if others opt to vandalise the LTN planters. 

         • David9694 wrote:

           Wanting cycle lanes is common sense, right? To us, it all falls into place as …

           — David9694

           That to me David? if so couldn’t agree more

           There is no point in not engaging politically. Eg why campaign for a cycle lane – do you then campaign for the next? And the next? How many hard-fought battles do you have in you?

           Change the policy, however, and then you only have to fight once…. (in theory)

           “Politics” has become a dirty word, for the likes of Mogg, de Pfeffel etc. But it encompasses any desire for change, and therefore cannot be left behind.

            

       • Boopop wrote:

         Nigel, do you think all direct action protests imply “loonie”, or just those carried out by SKC or XR?

         Do you think civil rights marches in decades past were “loonie” too? Stonewall actions? Or just when it comes to cycling? Safe cycling is just as much a social justice issue as any of these.

         — Boopop

         Just wait until someone tells him about Emmeline Pankhurst and her crowd…..

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         • Captain Badger wrote:

           Nigel, do you think all direct action protests imply “loonie”, or just those carried out by SKC or XR?

           Do you think civil rights marches in decades past were “loonie” too? Stonewall actions? Or just when it comes to cycling? Safe cycling is just as much a social justice issue as any of these.

           — Captain Badger

           Just wait until someone tells him about Emmeline Pankhurst and her crowd…..

           — Boopop

           It’s just totally undemocratic, demanding a vote.

         • eburtthebike wrote:

           ….

           ]It’s just totally undemocratic, demanding a vote.

           — eburtthebike

           There needs to be a consultation. With the anti-mob only…

         • And as for attending a Martin

           And as for attending a Martin Luther King rally, well…

         • Captain Badger wrote:

           Nigel, do you think all direct action protests imply “loonie”, or just those carried out by SKC or XR?

           Do you think civil rights marches in decades past were “loonie” too? Stonewall actions? Or just when it comes to cycling? Safe cycling is just as much a social justice issue as any of these.

           — Captain Badger

           Just wait until someone tells him about Emmeline Pankhurst and her crowd…..

           — Boopop

           I did consider mentioning the suffragettes!

     • What’s ‘loonie’ about wanting

       What’s ‘loonie’ about wanting safe streets, clean air and healthy people?

       By the way, your name seems to be associated with a nasty manipulative liar, though maybe you have different views from that particular piece of work.

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       • It’s a play on words, sorry

         It’s a play on words, sorry if you feel triggered.

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         • Triggered? I must admit that

           Triggered? I must admit that every time I see that face, I think of Toad of Toad Hall,

           I wonder how he’ll get on now that his campaign of sucking up to Trump has ended?

         • hawkinspeter wrote:

           Triggered? I must admit that every time I see that face, I think of Toad of Toad Hall,

           I wonder how he’ll get on now that his campaign of sucking up to Trump has ended?

           — hawkinspeter

           Lol I’ve no idea, just because I’ve played on his name doesn’t mean I support him. In fact, I think he’s a nob! That said, I’m sure he will maintain an audience.

         • That is rather an undignified

           That is rather an undignified comment. You’re being deliberately unpleasant and provocative. Farage is an arsehole, and I had assumed that you weren’t.

       • Username is a combination of
         Username is a combination of a bottom-trawling, fraud-committing bilge merchant and a motor car storage facility.

         May as well have named themself “I’m a huge trolling troll please give me some attention”.

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         • Velo-drone wrote:

           Username is a combination of a bottom-trawling, fraud-committing bilge merchant and a motor car storage facility. May as well have named themself “I’m a huge trolling troll please give me some attention”.

           — Velo-drone

           “drone” (verb): to pass or spend in dull or monotonous activity or in idleness

           Looks like you’ve named yourself perfectly. Just because I disagree with you doesn’t invalidate my opinion or make me less of a cyclist, which is what I thought this website was catering for. So if you don’t like it, either a) ignore me, or b) snowflake off.

           Thanks!

         • Velo-drone wrote:

           Username is a combination of a bottom-trawling, fraud-committing bilge merchant and a motor car storage facility. May as well have named themself “I’m a huge trolling troll please give me some attention”.

           — Velo-drone

           I suspect it’s a sock puppet account of a certain attention-seeking troll on this site.

         • hawkinspeter wrote:

           I suspect it’s a sock puppet account of a certain attention-seeking troll on this site.

           — hawkinspeter

           No doubt whatsoever – my professional expertise is in linguistics and semantics and it sticks out like a sore thumb! If one ran any of the commonly-available language-checking programs on their posts they would return a 90% probable match.

         • I’m afraid you’re both wrong.
           I’m afraid you’re both wrong. Is Rendle your sockpuppet Peter? Just felt like spraying around a false allegation.

         • He does have form.  Boo was

           He does have form.  Boo was him as well.

           Edit – For clarity the Boo that disappered at the same time as his sabatical, not the similarly named account that has posted on this thread.

     • Actually, Extinction

       Actually, Extinction Rebellion is the logical conclusion of the science of global heating – it’s the ‘not-in-my-namers’ who are the loonies.

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       • Vigilantes, a culture war =

         Vigilantes, a culture war = LTN planter vandals; XR …  Discuss. 

         XR did a couple of massed Saturday cycle rides around Salisbury city centre – was it last summer or was it 2019, I lose track. Anyway, however well intentioned (or just point scoring) it may have been, I’m not convinced it was all that helpful, since it’s ordinary Joe’s like me that are going to be mixing with the slightly more pissed off with cyclists than before drivers, come Monday morning.

         The people friendly Salisbury thing was strangled at birth and lasted barely a month. What would happen if we the went whole hog and removed all the one ways and roundabouts as well, I wonder. 

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       • Those I know who have been
         Those I know who have been involved (to the extent of joining a sit down protest that blocked a road) just feel they have run out of ways to save the human race. Politicians talk about green policy and “build back better” but the moment it gets difficult, and 2 people assert their God-given right to drive an SUV 200 yards to KFC with the aircon on even if it takes an hour, they fold.

         Picture the scene in 2050. “Grandma / Grandpa, what did you do in the war?”

         “Well, I heard about the climate change thing in 1990, and even Mrs Thatcher got it, and at that point we could have made some changes. But by late 2020, almost nothing had been done and I still thought that something would come along. So I carried on driving and flying. Voted Conservative, because the most important thing is that individuals can choose to conserve their fate.”

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         • Conservative party record on
           Conservative party record on CO2 reduction here.

           Always better to make decisions based on actual facts.

           Analysis: UK’s CO2 emissions have fallen 29% over the past decade

         • That’s good to know, but

           That’s good to know, but along with shutting coal power stations, it looks like a large part of the reduction was by simply importing stuff rather than making it – international aviation and shipping isn’t included in our CO2 figures (which have been increasing). Also, we’re not on target for meeting our 2030 target.

         • The post 1990 figures are
           The post 1990 figures are flattered by deindustrialisation but the post 2010 figures are mostly due to the reduction in coal use and the concurrent increase in energy efficiency.

           I agree that were currently not on track for our 2030 targets but we have some of the most ambitious targets of any major economy and these are getting even more ambitious, eg recent change to ICE vehicle ban.

           There are many reasons to dislike the current government but on decarbonisation they’ve actually delivered.

           (I’m quietly optimistic that they will deliver on increased cycling modal share too.)

         • I hope so.

           I hope so.

           I wasn’t intending a partisan criticism – it’s just that there’s a trend of Western countries moving their dirtier manufacturing over to China and then celebrating how we’re cleaning up our act because we don’t have to count it in our figures anymore. It’s all smoke and mirrors.

         • I agree, the use of the 1990
           I agree, the use of the 1990 figures as a starting point is a bit sneaky as it allows politicians to take environmental credit for manufacturing moving to other countries.

           It’s a figure you often see quoted though.

           In the same vein I personally don’t see much point in spending billions to reduce the UK’s carbon footprint if the same money could produce greater reductions elsewhere in the world.

           Climate change is a global problem, we need to think globally when it comes to solutions.

         • The difficult problem for
           The difficult problem for your take on that analysis is that it doesn’t compare any party with another. It simply summarises some carbon dioxide statistics of the UK since 2010, and the Tories have been in government the entire time. Would things have gone better with any other party? We’ll never know.

           But perhaps another party would have acted on the Ed Davey “oh shit” moment when he realised how insane the Drax subsidies are. They are, as far as I know, still being paid. And they could have maintained fuel duty in line with inflation. And they could have begun a programme of building insulation, creating jobs. But they have not.

           Even the “build back better” opportunity – when we know government spending will have to rise – is being steered towards HS2 and £20 bn+ on road building, both of which have significant carbon costs, both now and in future operation.

           So your blue glass may be half full – more improvement had been made than we might have expected. But my green glass is half empty, because there’s a vast amount more to be done, and it’s getting far more urgent and more difficult to do.

         • You can either make decisions
           You can either make decisions based on objective evidence or based on ‘what ifs’.

           The current government has achieved the greatest reduction in CO2 emisions out of any major advanced economy.

           Have they got absolutely everything right? Of course not.

           Would any party have got everything right? It would be naïve to think so.

         • TheBillder wrote:

           “Well, I heard about the climate change thing in 1990, and even Mrs Thatcher got it, and at that point we could have made some changes. But by late 2020, almost nothing had been done and I still thought that something would come along. So I carried on driving and flying. Voted Conservative, because the most important thing is that individuals can choose to conserve their fate.”

           — TheBillder

           I still want someone to explain to me, properly and rationally, why they simply must have an overseas holiday 

           Ignore Covid for the moment, and think about aircraft emissions.

           Some of the worst Covid quotes I heard at the tail end of the summer were along the lines of “Well, I’m a key worker, and I deserve a holiday!”

         • There’s a lot of people with

           There’s a lot of people with family/friends in other countries, so an overseas holiday is the only way they can meet up with them.

         • I voted Brexit and I fancy

           I voted Brexit and I fancy Greece this year.