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Cyclists slam “victim blaming” road safety video (Surrey Roads Safe)
Cyclists slam "victim blaming" road safety video (Surrey Roads Safe) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Cyclists slam “victim blaming” road safety video advising “improve visibility” so drivers don’t hit you; Bike rack vs drunk man; Chris Boardman calls for end to “relentlessly hostile rhetoric” about cyclists; New bikes + more on the live blog

Welcome to the Wednesday live blog, attempting to fill the post-Giro void will be Dan Alexander, back in the hot seat for all your updates, reaction and more
  • by Dan Alexander
Wed, May 29, 2024 08:08
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SUMMARY

  • "You won't find your bike in there": Bizarre coiled bike rack captures (presumably drunk) man who climbed in for a laugh, only to get stuck
  • Chris Boardman calls for end to "relentlessly hostile rhetoric" about cyclists
  • BIKES!
  • Tour de Suisse outlines tributes to Gino Mäder at upcoming 2024 edition
  • Politicians on bikes
  • "The message about riding defensively is fair enough, they've just framed it pretty poorly in my opinion": In the comments section today
  • Miguel Ángel López handed four-year doping ban for "use and possession" of human growth hormone during 2022 Giro d'Italia
  • Chris Froome is back in the peloton — and finishes 18 minutes down on return to racing
  • Evans begins 70% off sale on old Wiggle stock – as it's revealed Frasers Group paid just £3m for struggling cycling retailer after initial deal collapsed
  • Excuse me?!
  • Cyclists slam "victim blaming" road safety video advising "improve visibility on the road" so drivers don't hit you
Cyclists slam “victim blaming” road safety video (Surrey Roads Safe)
Cyclists slam "victim blaming" road safety video (Surrey Roads Safe) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
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29 May 2024, 08:08

"You won't find your bike in there": Bizarre coiled bike rack captures (presumably drunk) man who climbed in for a laugh, only to get stuck

It’s a pretty decent summary of humanity that you’ve got the one mate giving a hand, at least trying to help the man who’s made the questionable choice to climb into this coiled bike rack, only to (very predictably) get stuck. Meanwhile, the other mate is simply trying not to cause himself any damage by laughing too hard or falling over while filming his pal’s predicament.

😂 pic.twitter.com/ncjeEiu7BI

— Dubs life (@dubslife1) May 27, 2024

Reason #2,701 why Sheffield Stands should be the universal cycle parking design. Obviously, simple and practical racks to lock your bike to would be number one, but preventing drunk people using them as a tunnel only to get stuck is at least on the list somewhere, even if a bit further down the priority hierarchy.

Man gets stuck in bizarre coiled bike rack (@mannenteam/Instagram)
Instagram) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Man gets stuck in bizarre coiled bike rack (@mannenteam/Instagram)
Instagram) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Man gets stuck in bizarre coiled bike rack (@mannenteam/Instagram)
Instagram) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Man gets stuck in bizarre coiled bike rack (@mannenteam/Instagram)
Instagram) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

We’ve got no idea where this happened, or which unimpressed fire service was asked to attend. Maybe he was just confused by the design and went looking for his bike? Okay, fair enough, that’s too generous — always remember to enjoy alcohol responsibly. Otherwise you might end up stuck inside a Turkey Twizzler bike rack… enough to give Jamie Oliver nightmares.

We’ve seen these god-awful bike racks before, namely outside a Lidl branch in Dublin and they got a shout-out in our appropriately titled feature: 

Worst bike racks
Worst bike racks (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Worst bike racks
Worst bike racks (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Worst bike racks — from the useless to utterly unusable places to park your bicycle

You’d do well to get stuck in any of those other ones, although I guess the middle one up top (‘the toast rack’ as it was dubbed) has potential.

Fans of Always Sunny might think they’ve seen this one before:

Frank, is that you? pic.twitter.com/LDE0oa7buD

— D Naylor (@R3DLFC) May 28, 2024

Another in the comments declared that “stupid springs to mind”… ba dum tss…

29 May 2024, 08:08

Chris Boardman calls for end to "relentlessly hostile rhetoric" about cyclists

Chris Boardman
Chris Boardman (Image Credit: Active Travel England)
Chris Boardman
Chris Boardman (Image Credit: Active Travel England)

Active Travel Commissioner Chris Boardman has penned a comment piece in the Evening Standard calling for an end to the “relentlessly hostile rhetoric” about cyclists, arguing that the “hate-mongers offer no solutions”.

Referencing his own family tragedy — Boardman’s mother was hit and killed by a driver in July 2016 — the active travel chief said it upset him to read “certain parts of the media continue their relentless campaign against cyclists”, meanwhile “more than 1,700 people are killed each year by motor vehicles”.

“In 2016, one of them was my mother, Keith’s life partner, gone, crushed to death by a law-breaking driver,” he wrote. “A vibrant, elderly woman in great health because of her passion, wiped off the face of the earth. What makes this even more horrific, if that was possible, is she was one five people who died on our roads that day. Five mothers, sons and daughters killed every day, without national headlines or calls for changes in the law.

“Allowing such uniformly negative, data-barren and blatantly false accusations to continually go unchallenged does people like my dad, and the vast majority of cyclists, a terrible disservice.”

> “Mums, dads, sons and daughters being labelled as killers. It’s just got to stop”: Chris Boardman comments on Telegraph ’52mph in a 20mph zone’ article as it emerges co-author is former BBC fact-checker

He later concluded: “At a time we desperately need to decarbonise, to improve public health and ensure everyone has affordable transport choices, we cannot afford this relentlessly hostile rhetoric.

“You’ll notice the hate-mongers offer no solutions, they don’t take responsibility for their actions, they just peddle hate (excuse the pun). So I for one am going to speak up for my dad and my kids, for the things that will lead to a better life for them. I hope others will stand with me, be brave and speak up for their family’s future.

“Whether walking, wheeling or riding, our streets would be a nicer place if we stopped persecuting the vulnerable and instead directed our energies to ensuring everyone has the choice to be a bit more Keith.”

29 May 2024, 08:08

BIKES!

SHOCKING EXCLUSIVE: Lots of bike news on bike website… would have guessed it?

First up, is this an unreleased Canyon Aeroad that F1’s Valtteri Bottas was seen riding at the Monaco Grand Prix?

2024 Valtteri Bottas Canyon Aeroad Stills from "What is the magic of Monaco?" Ted's Monaco Grand Prix Qualifying - 1
2024 Valtteri Bottas Canyon Aeroad Stills from "What is the magic of Monaco?" Ted's Monaco Grand Prix Qualifying - 1 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
2024 Valtteri Bottas Canyon Aeroad Stills from "What is the magic of Monaco?" Ted's Monaco Grand Prix Qualifying - 1
2024 Valtteri Bottas Canyon Aeroad Stills from "What is the magic of Monaco?" Ted's Monaco Grand Prix Qualifying – 1 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Next up, leaks have emerged online showing a new Trek road bike with an ‘IsoFlow’ seat tube hole, leaving our tech team to ask, is it a new Émonda or revamped Madone?

2024 new Trek Madone 666pounder weight weenies
2024 new Trek Madone 666pounder weight weenies (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
2024 new Trek Madone 666pounder weight weenies
2024 new Trek Madone 666pounder weight weenies (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

And finally, Jamie’s travelled back to 2012 to take an in-depth look at the bike that arguably signalled the beginning of the end for rim brakes (*smiles as he looks away from his desk at the lovely rim brake bike still serving him well*)…

Colnago C59 disc Bike at bedtime
Colnago C59 disc Bike at bedtime (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Colnago C59 disc Bike at bedtime
Colnago C59 disc Bike at bedtime (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Check out the Colnago C59 Disc

29 May 2024, 08:08

Tour de Suisse outlines tributes to Gino Mäder at upcoming 2024 edition

The Bahrain-Victorious riders cross the line on stage six of the 2023 Tour de Suisse in memory of Gino Mäder (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
SWpix (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
The Bahrain-Victorious riders cross the line on stage six of the 2023 Tour de Suisse in memory of Gino Mäder (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
SWpix (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

With the Tour de Suisse just a couple of weeks away the race’s organisers have announced a series of tributes that will be made to Gino Mäder, the Swiss rider who tragically died in a crash at last year’s race. Mäder crashed on a high-speed descent at the end of stage five, falling into a ravine and was airlifted to hospital, his Bahrain Victorious team later revealing the worst possible news that the 26-year-old had not survived.

Gino Mader at Giro d'Italia 2021 (CorVos/SWpix)
SWpix) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Gino Mader at Giro d'Italia 2021 (CorVos/SWpix)
SWpix) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Swiss journalist Pascal Ritter reports that this year’s race will honour Mäder with a series of tributes. The race number 44 will be retired and the highest KOM climb of the week will be named ‘Ride for Gino’, the slogan also appearing on all of the leaders’ jerseys. There will be a memorial ride in Aigle on 16 June. Mäder’s family requested that no minute’s silence is held.

29 May 2024, 08:08

Politicians on bikes

Liberal Democrat Leader Sir Ed Davey, Welsh Liberal Democrat Leader Jane Dodds and local candidate David Chadwick riding bikes during a visit to Knighton, Wales, while on the General Election campaign trail.

Image ID: 2X94NNT / Jacob King / PA Wire#generalelection pic.twitter.com/QYFKL03Qlj

— Alamy Editorial (@Alamy_Editorial) May 29, 2024

29 May 2024, 08:08

"The message about riding defensively is fair enough, they've just framed it pretty poorly in my opinion": In the comments section today

Cyclists slam "victim blaming" road safety video (Surrey Roads Safe)
Cyclists slam "victim blaming" road safety video (Surrey Roads Safe) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Cyclists slam "victim blaming" road safety video (Surrey Roads Safe)
Cyclists slam "victim blaming" road safety video (Surrey Roads Safe) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

A few of you have had your say on the Surrey RoadSafe video…

Clem Fandango: “I mean, the message about riding defensively is fair enough, they’ve just framed it pretty poorly in my opinion.

“Doesn’t matter where you ride if the drivist isn’t looking or paying attention & in this example, it’s still not the cyclists fault if there is a collision (which you could argue is being implied – certainly the rabid anti-cyclists & Loophole lawyers would no doubt jump on it that way & put all accountability on the rider). Surely they could have found a better way of educating all road users that cyclists taking primary in certain circumstances is a good option? At least it’s not a party election broadcast…..”

hawkinspeter: “Considering that the majority of bike/car collisions are unavoidable and the fault of the driver, it would be far more effective to lecture drivers about actually looking for bikes and paying attention to what they’re doing. Experienced cyclists will generally ride defensively anyhow, so they’re just targeting the inexperienced cyclists.”

AidanR: “I can’t help but think that the illustrated collision could have been avoided by the driver actually stopping at the junction, rather than rolling through it.”

FionaJJ: “I don’t mind advice on better road positioning to improve visibility, as there are still some cyclists, as well as drivers, who for a variety of reasons think bikes should hug the pavement, or think that’s the considerate or even safest thing to do. Anything that explains why it isn’t, or gives permission to more deferential cyclists to take the right position on the road for them is good IMO.

“However, if I were in charge I would pitch it differently. I’d aim the clip at drivers, using it to explain why it’s the safest road position for cyclists, and ultimately makes life easier for them, then hope that it clicks for cyclists that don’t already realise this.”

Elsewhere there has been praise for Chris Boardman and a call for Jo Shiner to be given a particularly loud megaphone to spread her message. We can hope…

29 May 2024, 08:08

Miguel Ángel López handed four-year doping ban for "use and possession" of human growth hormone during 2022 Giro d'Italia

Miguel Angel Lopez (copyright RCS Sport)
Miguel Angel Lopez (copyright RCS Sport) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Miguel Angel Lopez (copyright RCS Sport)
Miguel Angel Lopez (copyright RCS Sport) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Miguel Ángel López handed four-year doping ban for “use and possession” of human growth hormone during 2022 Giro d’Italia

29 May 2024, 08:08

Chris Froome is back in the peloton — and finishes 18 minutes down on return to racing

A FIFTH win of the season for Lenny Martinez 🇫🇷

The 20-year-old continues his sensational early season form, as he takes his fifth win of the year at the Mercan’Tour Classic Alpes-Maritimes 🔥

An attack in the final kilometre was enough to secure a gap and glide to victory 💪 pic.twitter.com/ZGmchsCMa2

— Eurosport (@eurosport) May 29, 2024

17 minutes and 40 seconds later Chris Froome crossed the line in 47th place. Maybe we’ll get some disc brake excuses later? Maybe the four-time Tour de France winner was riding for his teammates today on his return? After all, George Bennett and Matthew Riccitello were both in the top 10, while rising star Stephen Williams and Mason Hollyman finished just a minute up the road from Froome. Anyway, we’ll cross our fingers for disc brake excuses…

29 May 2024, 08:08

Evans begins 70% off sale on old Wiggle stock – as it's revealed Frasers Group paid just £3m for struggling cycling retailer after initial deal collapsed

Wiggle clearance at Evans store (credit: Arron Borson)
Wiggle clearance at Evans store (credit: Arron Borson) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Wiggle clearance at Evans store (credit: Arron Borson)
Wiggle clearance at Evans store (credit: Arron Borson) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Evans begins 70% off sale on old Wiggle stock – as it’s revealed Frasers Group paid just £3m for struggling cycling retailer after initial deal collapsed

29 May 2024, 08:08

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29 May 2024, 08:08

Cyclists slam "victim blaming" road safety video advising "improve visibility on the road" so drivers don't hit you

Surrey RoadSafe is a partnership between the county’s police force and council “working to reduce the number of people killed and seriously injured on Surrey roads”. So, what are we focusing on today? Speeding? Drink driving? Mobile phone use? Anti-social behaviour on the roads? Oh, right… telling cyclists how to ride to help improve visibility so… they don’t get hit by drivers…

Cyclists improve your visibility on the road.

Watch our series of animations illustrating common car/bike collision scenarios and how to avoid them.

#1 DRIVE OUT #HabitsForLife pic.twitter.com/kGNWlm8LuJ

— Surrey RoadSafe (@SurreyRS) May 29, 2024

 “Car/bike collisions can be avoided,” we’re told. “Use defensive action to ride safer!” the video continues. Because, as the graphic goes on to imply, if someone fails to give way and pulls out in front of you, causing a collision, the action we should all be seeking, to avoid such incidents is… cyclists riding in the middle of their lane so they are more visible.

Needless to say the Surrey RoadSafe partnership got plenty of feedback under the post… from those calling the advice “victim blaming”, through to people pointing out it might be slightly useful to instead ask the cause of the collision pictured not to… well, you know… crash into cyclists because you didn’t look properly to see an oncoming road user when pulling out at a junction? 

Bob From Accounts called the video “victim blaming 101” and suggested “separate infrastructure is the only solution”. VNS added that as cyclists we already know about riding in primary position in certain situations as it can be safer. Rather, he said, “It’s drivers who think cyclists are being inconsiderate for doing this. Please also educate drivers. Drivers being the ones who are responsible for collisions like this.”

Matthew: “Yeah, because it’s definitely not the drivers failing to look properly. All you’re doing is empowering drivers to blame cyclists for ‘not riding correctly, so I couldn’t see them’.”

RedLaser4000: “Is this real? That was the fault of the driver pulling out without looking!”

Mustapha Cycle: “Nothing wrong with cyclists improving their visibility but maybe focus on the real offenders and less on the victims. Enforce the Highway Code rigidly and get the standard of driving back on track to an acceptable level.”

Tim Pryce: “Problem is drivers then yell at you and close pass you for being ‘in the middle of the road’.”

Ian Bradbury: “We know and we do. The people you should direct this at are the drivers screaming ‘get out of the middle of the road’ and the eejits who paint murder strips at the side of the road and pretend they are cycle provision.”

Female cyclist in London wearing a red coat on a steel road bike
Female cyclist in London wearing a red coat on a steel road bike (Image Credit: Simon MacMichael)
Female cyclist in London wearing a red coat on a steel road bike
Female cyclist in London wearing a red coat on a steel road bike (Image Credit: Simon MacMichael)

Incidentally, the UK’s head of roads policing recently spoke at-length about her wishes for making the roads safer, highlighting the key areas of concern that addressing would bring about real-world change and a reduction in the number of deaths and serious injuries.

Jo Shiner urged stricter sentences for driving offences and warned that the “basic standard of driving has reduced” and puts cyclists and pedestrians at risk. She also suggested that deaths on the UK’s roads have become “unseen” due to their frequency.

“We have over 1,700 deaths a year on our roads, we have got to look at it differently,” she said. “Sometimes the reporting of those people who are killed or seriously injured barely features in the local papers anymore.

“Anti-social driving is really prevalent on our roads at the moment and we know that it is causing a lot of collisions and I think that’s where in terms of the punishment fitting the crime we do need greater deterrence. 

“So one of our focuses within our portfolio is on greater sentencing, so the ability for us to be able to actually increase the sentences which both magistrates and other courts can give, but also greater sentences.

Female cyclist in London indicating in front of traffic - copyright Simon MacMichael
Female cyclist in London indicating in front of traffic - copyright Simon MacMichael (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Female cyclist in London indicating in front of traffic - copyright Simon MacMichael
Female cyclist in London indicating in front of traffic – copyright Simon MacMichael (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

“What I mean by that is that if you actually compare some of the sentences the drivers who do kill people because of the way in which they’ve drive on the roads versus maybe some other crimes in society, predominantly you see that those sentences are lower and that’s just one example where I think families are not feeling that they do get the justice that sometimes they deserve.

“I think the basic standard of driving on our roads has reduced,” she continued. “Using an indicator, being in the correct lane, actually knowing what the Highway Code says, knowing which lane to go in when you’re going around a roundabout and also just calming down on our roads.

“You know, sometimes I see behaviours where people are just utterly impatient to get where they want to go, really not recognising the risks that are around them, that they’re both creating for others but also that others are then potentially creating for them.

“So I think changing behaviours and changing minds is really, really important in terms of just calming people down and also trying to reinforce just how much damage a vehicle can do, particularly to other vulnerable road users, whether that’s a pedestrian, a pedal cyclist, a horse rider, it’s really important that people take responsibility for the risk that they could pose to others when they’re behind the wheel.”

We must have missed the bit about cyclists being more visible so they don’t get hit.

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  1. Hirsute
    May 29, 2024 at 8:28 am
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    ” As expected @transportgovuk

    ” As expected @transportgovuk refused my FOI to release specific draft versions of the Managing Pavement Parking report.  “

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOqaDhKXkAAEeM5?format=jpg&name=large

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    • ROOTminus1
      May 29, 2024 at 8:49 am
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      “We won’t release the drafts
      “We won’t release the drafts of the cancelled report to you because they were produced to be published as a report, even if that report has been cancelled.”

      Bloody Vogons!

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      • ubercurmudgeon
        May 29, 2024 at 10:54 am
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        They’ve got to beware of

        They’ve got to be beware of leopards.

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  2. The_Ewan
    May 29, 2024 at 9:55 am
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    Quote:

    We’ve got no idea where this happened

    Well, it’s described as ‘Dubs Life’, it’s on an account called ‘Dubs Life’ that has it’s location set to ‘Dublin’, and it looks like a rack that you’ve seen before “in Dublin”.

    I’m going to have to go with ‘Dublin’ here.

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    • Dan Alexander
      May 29, 2024 at 10:12 am
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      Breaking Bad Hank Hank

      Breaking Bad Hank Hank Schrader GIFfrom Breaking Bad Hank GIFs

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    • OnYerBike
      May 29, 2024 at 3:21 pm
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      Meh… Just because the

      Meh… Just because the account’s location is Dublin, they seem to post “funny” videos from anywhere – the majority in UK/Ireland but some certainly appear to be from even further afield. And I’m not convinced a similar (not identical) rack that happened to be in Dublin provides much additional credence to your theory.

       

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  3. HKR
    May 29, 2024 at 9:57 am
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    Chris Boardman is a such an

    Chris Boardman is a such an asset to cycling.  What an absolutely top bloke he is.

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    • hawkinspeter
      May 29, 2024 at 10:04 am
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      HKR wrote:

      Chris Boardman is a such an asset to cycling.  What an absolutely top bloke he is.

      — HKR

      Shame that he isn’t in the running for Prime Minister.

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      • ubercurmudgeon
        May 29, 2024 at 11:06 am
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        If the goal of politics was

        If the goal of politics was to find the best person for the top job then we’d have a radically different system to the one we have.

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        • hawkinspeter
          May 29, 2024 at 11:38 am
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          ubercurmudgeon wrote:

          If the goal of politics was to find the best person for the top job then we’d have a radically different system to the one we have.

          — ubercurmudgeon

          …and I’d like to disqualify anyone that actually wants the job.

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          • brooksby
            May 29, 2024 at 12:33 pm
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            hawkinspeter wrote:

            If the goal of politics was to find the best person for the top job then we’d have a radically different system to the one we have.

            — hawkinspeter

            …and I’d like to disqualify anyone that actually wants the job.

            — ubercurmudgeon

            I suppose they could have brain surgery so that they’d forget that they wanted the job…

          • marmotte27
            May 29, 2024 at 2:26 pm
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            That’s what George Monbiot
            That’s what George Monbiot said somewhere (something along the lines that anyone seeking power should have compulsory psychotherapy first).

            P S : https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/12/prime-minister-therapy

          • chrisonabike
            May 29, 2024 at 2:27 pm
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            I’m sure it’s not a new idea.

            I’m sure it’s not a new idea.  Douglas Adams was giving it a spin back when and he won’t be the first…

            https://thedailyzen.org/2015/05/27/the-ruler-of-the-universe/

            https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/profiles/RPVK2VZqX2qv6tQPTsLchK/man-in-the-shack

      • jaymack
        May 29, 2024 at 12:43 pm
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        He’s probably over qualified
        He’s probably over qualified

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        • hawkinspeter
          May 29, 2024 at 12:47 pm
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          jaymack wrote:

          He’s probably over qualified

          — jaymack

          Well, he certainly knows what he’s talking about

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  4. FionaJJ
    May 29, 2024 at 11:19 am
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    I don’t mind advice on better

    I don’t mind advice on better road positioning to improve visibility, as there are still some cyclists, as well as drivers, who for a variety of reasons think bikes should hug the pavement, or think that’s the considerate or even safest thing to do. Anything that explains why it isn’t, or gives permission to more deferential cyclists to take the right position on the road for them is good IMO.

    However, if I were in charge I would pitch it differently. I’d aim the clip at drivers, using it to explain why it’s the safest road position for cyclists, and ultimately makes life easier for them, then hope that it clicks for cyclists that don’t already realise this. 

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  5. Clem Fandango
    May 29, 2024 at 11:21 am
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    That Surrey RoadSafe video —

    That Surrey RoadSafe video — I mean, the message about riding defensively is fair enough, they’ve just framed it pretty poorly in my opinion.

    Doesn’t matter where you ride if the drivist isn’t looking or paying attention & in this example, it’s still not the cyclists fault if there is a collision (which you could argue is being implied – certainly the rabid anti-cyclists & Loophole lawyers would no doubt jump on it that way & put all accountability on the rider).    Surely they could have found a better way of educating all road users that cyclists taking primary in certain circumstances is a good option?    At least it’s not a party election broadcast…..

     

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    • hawkinspeter
      May 29, 2024 at 11:27 am
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      Clem Fandango wrote:

      That Surrey RoadSafe video — I mean, the message about riding defensively is fair enough, they’ve just framed it pretty poorly in my opinion.

      Doesn’t matter where you ride if the drivist isn’t looking or paying attention & in this example, it’s still not the cyclists fault if there is a collision (which you could argue is being implied – certainly the rabid anti-cyclists & Loophole lawyers would no doubt jump on it that way & put all accountability on the rider).    Surely they could have found a better way of educating all road users that cyclists taking primary in certain circumstances is a good option?    At least it’s not a party election broadcast…..

      — Clem Fandango

      Considering that the majority of bike/car collisions are unavoidable and the fault of the driver, it would be far more effective to lecture drivers about actually looking for bikes and paying attention to what they’re doing. Experienced cyclists will generally ride defensively anyhow, so they’re just targetting the inexperienced cyclists.

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    • AidanR
      May 29, 2024 at 12:33 pm
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      I can’t help but think that
      I can’t help but think that the illustrated collision could have been avoided by the driver actually stopping at the junction, rather than rolling through it.

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      • Clem Fandango
        May 29, 2024 at 2:32 pm
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        my point exactly.  

        my point exactly.  

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    • IanMK
      May 29, 2024 at 3:52 pm
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      What would really help the
      What would really help the visibility at junctions is cars not parked close to them. Has anyone ever run a campaign telling drivers to park at least 10m from junctions. No…. I thought not.

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      • I love my bike
        May 29, 2024 at 4:27 pm
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        Licenced drivers should

        Licenced drivers should continue to follow Highway Code rule 243 when parking near junctions, as they learned for their driving test. Whatever happened to Traffic Wardens?

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        • Mr Hoopdriver
          May 29, 2024 at 4:42 pm
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          I love my bike wrote:

          Licenced drivers should continue to follow Highway Code rule 243 when parking near junctions, as they learned for their driving test. Whatever happened to Traffic Wardens?

          — I love my bike

          Can you imagine the hate if Traffic Wardens rode bicycles.

           

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        • brooksby
          May 29, 2024 at 6:50 pm
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          I love my bike wrote:

          Licenced drivers should continue to follow Highway Code rule 243 when parking near junctions, as they learned for their driving test. Whatever happened to Traffic Wardens?

          — I love my bike

          Oh – does that one still exist? I assumed that it had been retired, given the behaviour of pretty much every f-ing motorist in my village surprise

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  6. Carior
    May 29, 2024 at 11:53 am
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    Can someone get Jo Shiner:

    Can someone get Jo Shiner:

    a) a medal;

    b) the world’s biggest megaphone so she can shout that message out loud and clear in as many places as possible?

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  7. eburtthebike
    May 29, 2024 at 12:08 pm
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    Jo Shiner “”Anti-social

    Jo Shiner “”Anti-social driving is really prevalent on our roads at the moment and we know that it is causing a lot of collisions and I think that’s where in terms of the punishment fitting the crime we do need greater deterrence.”

    Comprehensive review of road laws, 2014, anyone?

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  8. Tom_77
    May 29, 2024 at 12:19 pm
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    Politician rides bike

    Politician rides bike

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    • NickSprink
      May 29, 2024 at 1:52 pm
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      Providing an example of

      Providing an example of dangerous cycling that they want to legislate against?

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    • chrisonabike
      May 29, 2024 at 1:57 pm
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      He’s hoping to stay in his

      He’s hoping to stay in his seat…

      Nice to see a dynamo on a bike as well (in contrast to the rider).  Very practical!

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    • marmotte27
      May 29, 2024 at 2:16 pm
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      … and trys to make it look
      … and tries to make it look ridiculous…

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    • Clem Fandango
      May 29, 2024 at 2:32 pm
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      Look at that though.  Out of

      Look at that though.  Out of touch politcal class type gets on bike. Has fun. That’s awesome.

      Obvs I’ve suspended my innate cynicism that it’s no more than an electioneering photo op, but at least he’s not in a Chelsea tractor whining about dangerous cycling laws and hi-viz tabards.

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  9. mitsky
    May 29, 2024 at 12:48 pm
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    Not sure how much more

    Not sure how much more visible I could have been here…
    This driver should have paused at the give way to allow for their view of me being temporarily blocked by the pedestrian crossing the road.
    The road markings and “cycle lane” bollards should have been a big indicator that someone might be coming along on a bike and not to use those cycle lane markings as a give way line.
    Most cyclists are faster than me and even with decent brakes might have ended up t-boning the driver’s door.
    https://youtu.be/vEeljHmz6KA

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    • Miller
      May 29, 2024 at 4:38 pm
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      mitsky wrote:

      Not sure how much more visible I could have been here…
      https://youtu.be/vEeljHmz6KA

      — mitsky

      Can’t work out whether the driver was only looking for cars or knew full well there might be a cyclist and didn’t give a sh!t. Not great either way. 

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      • mitsky
        May 30, 2024 at 11:30 am
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        I think most drivers would be

        I think most drivers would be wary of doing anything that might damage their own vehicles and be even more concerned if someone else was to do so.
        So to put their own vehicle in “harms way” indicates that she simply didn’t look, given she use the cycle lane marking as a give way line.
        I’m hoping the slight startle she got when seeing me so close would hopefully prevent it happening again.
        But I won’t hold my breath.

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  10. marmotte27
    May 29, 2024 at 2:17 pm
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    “What I mean by that is that
    “What I mean by that is that if you actually compare some of the sentences the drivers who do kill people because of the way in which they’ve drive on the roads versus maybe some other crimes in society, predominantly you see that those sentences are lower and that’s just one example where I think families are not feeling that they do get the justice that sometimes they deserve.”

    M. Briggs, and with him the government and the opposition apparently couldn’t care less…

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  11. Oldfatgit
    May 29, 2024 at 5:57 pm
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    Maybe the videos are pitched
    Maybe the videos are pitched at cyclists because they know we’ll actually view them.

    Although, as I’m not on Shitter or Turdagram, I wouldn’t have known about them without Road.cc

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  12. ktache
    May 29, 2024 at 7:23 pm
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    The witch that did the cable

    The witch that did the cable tie frayed cable thing should be burned at the stake because obviously they are in league with the devil!

    Why is pointy cycle woman not wearing something more visible than a dark blue top and grey helmet if she wants to be seen easier?

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    • chrisonabike
      May 29, 2024 at 7:35 pm
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      A right-hand twist, but seems

      A right-hand twist, but seems to be a follower of the left-hand path at work…

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  13. Wheelywheelygood
    May 29, 2024 at 10:26 pm
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    Visability is key the number

    Visability is key the number of bikers we see riding after dark wearing dark clothing and having no lights or reflectors  also riding on the wrong side of the road at night dosen’t help much . It doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence in bikers when we see them riding on a main road hands free because their texting . A few weeks ago I saw a group of youngsters traning for their proficiency there was no a single light or reflector on any of their bikes not the best of starts 

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    • chrisonabike
      May 29, 2024 at 10:54 pm
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      Visibility is *good* but
      Visibility is *good* but looking where you’re going is key, no?

      Apparently you’re someone who’s always getting ridden into by cyclists and is mentioning screen use here. I imagine you’d be less than thrilled if someone suggested you really need a wheelchair with more lights, reflectives and fluorescent material. Or that you should work on you situational awareness…

      Still I’m glad to hear they’re doing cycle training where you are. A good start. Next – if you’re in the UK that is – they need to make places safer for them to cycle, and more convenient so there’s a chance they continue.

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      • mark1a
        May 30, 2024 at 5:55 am
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        It’s a bot account. You can

        It’s a bot account. You can tell by late night posts, lack of context, vague descriptions of events and fixation on a single topic.

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        • chrisonabike
          May 30, 2024 at 6:39 am
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          Possibly. That campaign
          Possibly. That campaign suggests we should be safer if we try to engage the attention of drivers though and it’s possible it’s in control of a Tesla by day, so…

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      • JLasTSR
        May 30, 2024 at 6:12 am
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        Cycling in the dark on the

        Cycling in the dark on the road with no lights especially on unlit roads is a mugs game. In daylight I would say not necessary, unless you have a road coloured bike and clothing then a little twinkle from a light might be a good idea. 

        However regarding their terrible infomercial I can tell you from painfull experience that the odd driver still pulls out even when they say they saw you. Then blames you for hitting them. So being seen is good, driving like a self righteous wrecking machine not so much. 

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        • chrisonabike
          May 30, 2024 at 6:42 am
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          Yeah, I know looking but not
          Yeah, I know looking but not seeing alright. I’m a bit fatalistic now. I make an effort so I feel I have tried but don’t expect I’m not invisible.

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    • perce
      May 30, 2024 at 7:21 am
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      I also saw a group of

      I also saw a group of youngsters training for their proficiency. 1966 I think it was. On a Tuesday.

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    • wycombewheeler
      May 30, 2024 at 8:46 am
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      Wheelywheelygood wrote:

      Visability is key the number of bikers we see riding after dark wearing dark clothing and having no lights or reflectors  also riding on the wrong side of the road at night dosen’t help much . 

      — Wheelywheelygood

      just think how much easier it is to see those of us with lights, and they still don’t see. Aside from the issue with cyclists not using lights when legally required. I find that seeing cyclists without lights or hi vis is not hard. Excepting when the weather is really bad (foggy/heavy rain/so overcast it might as well be dark). Most drivers will see you regardless of lights (in the day) and some just don’t look at all.

      In fact on sunny days It’s normal to see a cyclist long before you can see their lights when approaching from behind.

       A few weeks ago I saw a group of youngsters traning for their proficiency there was no a single light or reflector on any of their bikes 

      — Wheelywheelygood

      they were doing cycle training after dark?

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      • Matthew Acton-Varian
        May 30, 2024 at 8:59 am
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        wycombewheeler wrote:

        In fact on sunny days It’s normal to see a cyclist long before you can see their lights when approaching from behind.

        — wycombewheeler

        Yes. This. As a driver you are told to look for hazards. What if, instead of a cyclist, it was a black cat running from underneath parked cars? Much smaller, and less visible, even than a cyclist in all black. And good drivers can still successfully avoid them. And we don’t tell cats they should wear hi-viz and lights!

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        • brooksby
          May 30, 2024 at 9:57 am
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          Matthew Acton-Varian wrote:

          In fact on sunny days It’s normal to see a cyclist long before you can see their lights when approaching from behind.

          — Matthew Acton-Varian

          Yes. This. As a driver you are told to look for hazards. What if, instead of a cyclist, it was a black cat running from underneath parked cars? Much smaller, and less visible, even than a cyclist in all black. And good drivers can still successfully avoid them. And we don’t tell cats they should wear hi-viz and lights!

          — wycombewheeler

          https://road.cc/content/news/174381-hi-vis-paint-new-forest-ponies

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        • Hirsute
          May 30, 2024 at 1:05 pm
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          Well, they rely on their eyes

          Well, they rely on their eyes !

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    • Bristol Bullet
      May 30, 2024 at 12:07 pm
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      Since you were able to spot

      Since you were able to spot these youngsters on bikes even thought they did not have lights or reflectors, I’m going to eschew high-viz clothing when riding my bike from now on and simply strap a youngster to my handlebars.

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      • chrisonabike
        May 30, 2024 at 2:07 pm
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        Just when I thought cyclists

        Just when I thought cyclists couldn’t sink lower in public esteem.

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  14. Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
    May 30, 2024 at 3:51 pm
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    So…. To follow their logic,
    So…. To follow their logic, any individual who is a victim of crime or is injured/killed by the actions or inaction of another person is to blame?

    And pedestrians must wear hi-viz when crossing
    any road?

    And dark coloured vehicles must have hi-vis bonnets and boots/tailgates?

    Perhaps just shorten the video to state, “don’t ride a bike and you reduce your risk of being involved in a collision by 100%, oh – unless you’re a pedestrian or driving another vehicle. Erm… maybe just stay at home and don’t go out at all?”

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  15. kingleo
    May 30, 2024 at 7:02 pm
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    I was cycling to work in

    I was cycling to work in London a few years ago, I was going past Harrods when a car pulled out in front of me – lucky for me there was a big red bus in front of me, the car crashed into the bus  – how can somebody in a car not see a big red bus in daylight and pull out in front of it!

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  16. kingleo
    May 30, 2024 at 7:22 pm
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    My local council, Wandsworth,

    My local council, Wandsworth, moved some stop lines for motor traffic from before a cycle path to after the cycle path at some road junctions, now the traffic pulls across the cycle path and stops, making these junctions very dangerous for cyclists. Again, the needs of people in cars first, the safety of cyclists a distant second.

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EK Spinner 13 minutes ago

"potentially mean cyclists needing to overtake them!" Surely there is never a 'NEED' for anyone to overtake, only a desire

in: Ride in the centre of the lane and always wear a helmet – Spain has new cycling rules coming later this week
wtjs 14 minutes ago

I'll be pleased but amazed if there's anything but enforcement ON cyclists by the police, while they just don't happen to notice offences AGAINST cyclists. That's certainly the way UK police would thwart and sabotage any such legislation here.

in: Ride in the centre of the lane and always wear a helmet – Spain has new cycling rules coming later this week
Rendel Harris 28 minutes ago

Or, which is even more prevalent in everyday life I think, being scared to try because someone else might 'succeed' by doing something different, "My dream was to be a painter but the teachers pointed out that it would mean five years scraping by at art college with no guarantee of success, whereas all the pupils who went to accountancy college had a downpayment on a Barrett home within five years..." Worrying about where other people are going instead of just doing your best at your passion, one of life's great handicaps, for cycle racers and the population at large (including myself!).

in: Rivals accuse one another of “riding across national borders” during men’s world road race as Tom Pidcock and Michael Matthews blame lack of co-operation; Tributes paid to Katy Marchant after Olympic champion retires + more on the live blog
mdavidford 30 minutes ago

"BBC links fatal fire to ebikes despite no evidence it was linked to ebikes" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq62jyk6ne4vo

in: Rivals accuse one another of “riding across national borders” during men’s world road race as Tom Pidcock and Michael Matthews blame lack of co-operation; Tributes paid to Katy Marchant after Olympic champion retires + more on the live blog
Paul J 34 minutes ago

> Perhaps most strikingly, helmet exemptions for long climbs, extreme heat and on medical grounds are being removed. What about the exemption for urban areas? That stays? I've never had police in Spain bother me about my lack of helmet outside urban areas though TBH.

in: Ride in the centre of the lane and always wear a helmet – Spain has new cycling rules coming later this week
mdavidford 46 minutes ago

A lot of people aren't capable of that precision and rigour either, though.

in: AI is destroying the personality that cycling thrives on
Paul J 48 minutes ago

@Rome73 The technologies you talk of automated physical processes. The hype of "AI" is that it will automate away thinking processes. There is a bit of a difference. We'll see how it shakes out. "AI" is useful at generating stuff, but it is nowhere near capable of the precision and rigour that some claim for it.

in: AI is destroying the personality that cycling thrives on
Surreyrider 49 minutes ago

@Smoggysteve There was a big difference. Yates was going away up the road while yesterday they had reeled McNulty in to 10 seconds. I bet most of them are kicking themselves (although Jorgensen was probably rider of the day for marking so many moves with able support from Simmons).

in: Rivals accuse one another of “riding across national borders” during men’s world road race as Tom Pidcock and Michael Matthews blame lack of co-operation; Tributes paid to Katy Marchant after Olympic champion retires + more on the live blog
Surreyrider 59 minutes ago

Interesting that the pictures you've used are the road to Famara beach and the Tabayesco climb, both in Lanzarote. On that climb 20km/h below the speed vehicles can actually go in some places (rather than the speed limit - don't know what it is) would potentially mean cyclists needing to overtake them!

in: Ride in the centre of the lane and always wear a helmet – Spain has new cycling rules coming later this week
sclarke3@talktalk.net 1 hour ago

Too many drivers towing caravans or trailers still drive as though they aren't towing! The number of times that I've nearly been taken out by a caravan is lots, IMO drivers should have to take a course before being allowed to tow anything and that should show on their licence. With regard to painted cycle lanes, I refuse to use them for the reasons stated, I'll ride out from the kerb and painted lane and if it pisses drivers off so be it... I despair at the cycling provisions in most parts of the country, cycle paths ending by main roads, short paths, painted narrow lanes, etc... I went once to a cycle planning meeting for Somerset County Council in Taunton, they had loads of boards showing the (disjoined) cycling lanes... I stood up and asked the 25 or so councillors and various other planners, "how many of you cycle regularly in Taunton?" Guess what? I was the only cyclist there🤣

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