A second Conservative politician has spoken out about the viral video which has been doing the rounds on Twitter and shows a motorist driving past a five-year-old cyclist within touching distance.
How can we expect parents to let their kids ride to school if this is how their neighbours drive towards them? He’s five by the way and this is 100m from his home. @theJeremyVine @MikeyCycling @TheWarOnCars @London_Cycling @KingstonCycling @markandcharlie @cyclegaz pic.twitter.com/TPoqThXmiG
— AZB (@azb2019) November 4, 2022
Just as Tory peer Baroness Foster did yesterday, Susan Hall — the leader of the Greater London Assembly Conservatives and chair of the Police and Crime Committee — argued the child should not have been cycling on the road in the first place.
Responding to a Jeremy Vine tweet suggesting anyone who does not think “the driver must go dead slow, or stop” should “cut up their driving licence and send the pieces back to the DVLA”, Hall argued: “Surely the issue here is that a 5-year-old should not be on the public highway riding a bike!”
Surely the issue here is that a 5 year old should not be on the public highway riding a bike! https://t.co/jxyjcuXdvh
— Susan Hall AM (@Councillorsuzie) November 8, 2022
Then responding to a replier who pointed out the footway is part of the public highway, Hall doubled down, saying the child should cycle “slowly on the footway, or preferably in the park”.
“I’m amazed however that given road behaviour by all that you find it acceptable for a five-year-old to be on a bike in the road,” she responded to another before writing another reply saying the “worry” is children are “generally so small […] they might not always be seen”.
Conservative peer Baroness Foster — appointed to the House of Lords by then Prime Minister Boris Johnson in December 2020 — yesterday argued similar, writing: “A child that small should not be cycling on a road! A completely irresponsible decision along with your comments that put the entire onus on the car drivers if/when something goes horribly wrong!”
After the video went viral on Twitter, racking up 2.3 million views and more than 9,000 replies since Friday, the father of the child appeared on Jeremy Vine’s Channel 5 show during a segment titled ‘Cycling row: Who’s in the wrong?’ where Vine and journalist Mike Parry criticised the driving.
Ashley, the father, told the show “the facts are clear on this one — the driver was wrong and my son has every right to ride on the road.”
He added that it would be “factually wrong” for anyone to claim the driver did not put the young cyclist at risk.
Panel guest Parry agreed, saying the debate about whether the child should have been cycling on the road is “utterly irrelevant”.
“Surely human compassion, surely human nature says that if you’re driving a car at speed and there’s a little child coming the other way your instinct should be the protective nature of an adult in a car over a child,” he told Vine.
“There’s no argument there. Every time I see this I flinch, I get a shiver down my back […] I don’t know whether the child should have been there or not, that’s a separate scientific argument on roadcraft and all that… but when you see a child on a bike, a little five-year-old coming towards you, you pull in just to make absolutely sure no harm is going to come to the child. It’s natural instincts.”
“He’s certainly riding competently and with confidence”
In response to a question from the Sunday Times Driving, Tim Shallcross of IAM Roadsmart said: “There is no minimum age limit for cycling on a road; the lad is a little younger than most cycling organisations recommend to be on a road, but he’s certainly riding competently and with confidence and under supervision, so no problem there.”
He also pointed to Rule H3 of the Highway Code, referencing the ‘hierarchy of road users’, which tells drivers to “stop and wait for a safe gap in the flow of cyclists if necessary”.
“Highway Code guidance is for cars to give 1.5m clearance to cyclists in 30mph limit, and since the cyclist was already passing parked vehicles and there was clearly not room for 1.5m clearance, the car should have waited until the cyclist was clear before carrying on,” he concluded.




















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Labour council does something
Labour council does something completely idiotic and anti-cycling, Road.cc calls it “Halifax council blah blah blah”.
Conservative politician states the obvious that a wobbly 5 year old shouldn’t be riding a bike on the road for their own safety and Road.cc, without context, calls it “Should not be on the public highway riding a bike: Conservative politician”.
Also the car passed nice and slowly and NOT in touching distance. Unless you’re assuming the 5 year old child has arms longer than Mr Tickle.
Boo/Nigel/Lance/EnjoyTheRide
Boo/Nigel/Lance/EnjoyTheRide comes back AGAIN pretending initially to be foreign, people give him the benefit of the doubt. Within 20 posts he drops the facade and returns to his normal behaviour which just shows his “a child knows this” approach was just racism and seems to be inherent in him being as the previously bans were for that as well.
And weren’t you previously arguing you let your four year old ride on the roads and this is just the father being vocal?
I hate trolls
I hate trolls
Especially racist ones.
Especially racist ones.
Can we just develop the self
Can we just develop the self-discipline to starve them? I’m going to try.
Martin is going to lose his
Martin is going to lose his shit completely when he hears a tory chair of the PCC advocates cycling on the pavement. Is anyone not amazed that the tory chair of the PCC has nothing to say about the illegality of the driving. In fairness, I am amazed at forthrightness of the IAM. I shouldn’t be, it’s straightforward but I’ve not always held them in the highest regard.
Rakia sweetie, if you’re not originally from round here, may be best to gen up on the local law before you comment. You’ll look less like a tit.
To be fair I don’t think
To be fair I don’t think Martin is a Tory. Just because all Tories are complete wankers doesn’t mean every complete wanker is a Tory. I think his hatred of cyclists and cycling done any other way than the extremely limited way in which he does it is so virulent it’s probably ecumenical.
Rendel Harris wrote:
?
Rendel Harris wrote:
You’re getting better at this. If there’s one thing I think you’ve learned it’s to stop using misogynistic insults as personal abuse. I take personal credit for this.
Are you sure you posted that
Are you sure you posted that from the correct fake account?
Backladder wrote:
Slipped up rather there, hasn’t he? Reported to mods as clear admission that a PBU is back.
This is the funniest thing I
This is the funniest thing I’ve read on here in a while. Thanks for the chuckle.
Rakia wrote:
Ah, so you are Nigel. Thought so. Off to mods with you.
Maybe point out his racism in
Maybe point out his racism in the first few posts, ala pretending to be someone foreign with a phrase he thinks foreigners might use.
Although I doubt they will do something as it is quite clear Martin is Socraticyclist and they love the clicks generated from these so allow them back.
BTW, it makes sense who it was with his weird comments when you posted a picture of yourself the other day.
Wow! These Evil Tory
Wow! These Evil Tory caricature baddies Hall and Foster are going all out for the DM vote, with full scale victim blaming. A pair for right-thinking people to shun!
wtjs wrote:
The tory party is now a blatantly irresponsible gang, more akin to a group of teenagers desperately showing off to demonstrate their power and attractiveness to the opposite sex. Full of people with no idea how the average person lives, with utter contempt for the public, incompetent, bullying and useless. Gavin Williamson being the perfect example.
Even if the child and parent
Even if the child and parent were in the wrong (which they aren’t) for the driver to drive a car at a child under any circumstances is deplorable. Anyone defending that driving needs to take a long look in the mirror.
I’ve just seen the Twitter
I’ve just seen the Twitter feed of the show and Mike Parry is 100% right. It doesn’t matter the legality or whatever you think, its irrelevant. What is not irrelevant, it’s a 5 year old kid FFS!
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But what if the park doesn’t lead from their home to the shops/school/swimming pool/other chosen destination?
Exactly this.
Exactly this.
Having looked at Hall’s
Having looked at Hall’s twitter thread, it seems that something like 90%+ are supporting the cyclist; good.
My two’pennorth:
“But you’re chair of the Police and Crime Committee; shouldn’t you have some understanding of the law, and why the law exists? Hint; it isn’t to allow drivers to put other people in danger. You should resign now, you’re not competent to be there.”
Unfortunately you don’t need
Unfortunately you don’t need to be competent to be a politician (and from my observation, a high degree of incompetence seems to be beneficial – I wonder if party donors prefer stupid yes-people?), You merely need to be electable, which seems to be an ever-descending bar.
ShutTheFrontDawes wrote:
Well below ground level judging by the current cabinet.
For me it this an unwise
For me it this an unwise decision by the parent as much as poor observation from the driver. He clearly encourages the child to ride on when he could see the approaching car and could have anticipated the car would also proceed into the part of the the road with cards on both sides. By my reckoning the cyclists and motorist got to the edge of the parked vehicles on their side at about the same time.
While there are new rules about overtaking. I am not aware that these apply to passing a vehicle going in the opposite direction. eg on single track roads it is very rare for either cyclists or motorists to give way to each other and passing with less than 1m between handlebars and mirrors is common. And when filtering how much space do we cyclists consider ok to move up to the front of an advanced stop line.
So ideally the motorist would have stopped, but they were driving slowly, quite possibly didn’t notice the small child infront of the larger adult, and passed in the opposite direction quite normally.
So good for raising the debate about enabling kids to cycle to school, but not sure this was the example for the internet to meltdown about. I honestly think there are greater issues when riding with kids to school eg motorists overtaking then hugging the kerb in a queue to prevent filtering, MGIF manoeuvres, speeding, rapid approaches to junctions then slamming on the brakes, left turns across a cycle path without indicating, pedestrians stepping into the cycle path without looking, being shouted at for not using a cycle path that is crowded with pedestrians, being shouted at for not using the pavement, being overtaken while indicating right etc
It is not overwhelmingly bad, when teaching my kids to ride on the road it was a blessing when courteous motorists gave way unnecessarily, smiled encouragingly and anticipated an inacurrate turn/ hasty approach to a giveway line. So lets be sure we highlight and praise good behaviour too. Teaching kids to ride on the road is not easy.
twowheelsbetter_uk wrote:
They’re not new rules, just a reinforcement of the old rules, but like you I’m not altogether clear on the extent to which they apply to oncoming vehicles, clarification of this would be good.
However, that’s not the relevant rule here, the relevant rule is Highway Code 163:
The cyclists are the oncoming vehicles, staying on their own side of the road, the driver has pulled round the parked vehicles and is partially on the oncoming side of the road. Regardless of any opinions about whether the child should be on the road, whether the father and child should have stopped etc, the motorist has put themselves in the wrong by not observing this rule.
Rendel Harris wrote:
Actually they are both overtaking parked vehicles and both start the move past the obstruction at the same time, see beginning of the clip
If you look one second in the
If you look one second in the cyclist is into the “funnel” created by the parked cars before the car is (see below), which confers right of way; more importantly, the cyclist remains on his own side of the road throughout whereas the car driver has to encroach over halfway. There’s no scenario ever (apart from for emergency responders on call) where a driver gets priority when driving in the oncoming lane.
Well I’d say that they
Well I’d say that they arrived at the hazard at the about same time and both chose to proceed. One party had much more to loose than the other from any subsequent error and being right doesn’t prevent injury.
As I said training kids to ride on the road is hard and heart stopping at times. This may not be great driving but it is certainly normal and the example posted of driving on the pavement is a reason why they aren’t much better for learning. If kids do learn on pavements when should they move to the road? How will they learn the survival craft needed if they aren’t allowed (they are) on the road with sensible coaching when young and cautious?
Well, we could borrow a
Well, we could borrow a corner of a car park or two and have one of these – we’re only 70 years behind the Dutch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0yzZLVsTCE
https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/bicycle-training-in-the-netherlands/
Note – this doesn’t preclude younger kids getting to school with their parents on bikes, or indeed on their own…
On the other hand, cost of living, agenda of economic growth… maybe we should just be building more of those car parks, and roads to access them? Sounds like a fair few people think there would be more space so less congestion, and some even think we’d all be richer.
twowheelsbetter_uk wrote:
Can I please check, do you think the driver not having their eyes open enough to see another road user, coming from in front and in broad daylight is a good excuse? If the driver didn’t see them there, they should pull up on the side of the road there and then and stop driving!
From the road position of the
From the road position of the car I expect the driver saw the cyclist, but did they count the number, estimate age/ability …. Not quite broad daylight, both had lights on suggesting less than ideal visibility.
Equally what was the parent thinking in encouraging the child into a hazard/pinch point when the car was entering the same space at the same time?
Regardless of the number of
Regardless of the number of cyclists and their age and ability, the highway code (rule 163) says that the driver should have given way to the oncoming vehicle (or in this case vehicles). It doesn’t say you should only give way of there are two or more cyclists, or if the cyclists are young or otherwise vulnerable.
A motorist driving head on at
A motorist driving head on at a child is definitely something to have a meltdown about, no matter how much you think they ‘deserved’ it because of their parent’s decision.
‘driving head on’,
‘driving head on’, melodramatic but the description doesn’t fit the footage, IMO.
twowheelsbetter_uk wrote:
A bit of a give-away really. Got a feeling I might know who this is.
I think we’ve got at least
I think we’ve got at least two revenants with us, possibly with multiple sockpuppets.
Still, if it fills the time between rides…
Sock puppet, lol! I only have
Sock puppet, lol! I only have 1 id on the site and have no previous id. People can share the same perspective. Sometimes people agree on some things and disagree on others … it is part of what makes us unique!
twowheelsbetter_uk wrote:
You know, that’s exactly what we’d expect a sockpuppet or a PBU to say…
I like the content on this
I like the content on this site and agree with much of the comment. I have noticed a tendency to see phantoms where there are none if someone expresses an non-road.cc-orthodox opinion which makes discussion about cycling and how to survive difficult.
Last week everyone was saying how awful it was that there was a growing toxic culture on the road. Seeing things from another perspective doesn’t make me a troll / idiot.
As I said in my original post on this thread, there is real debate to be had about training kids for the road (cycle infront, behind, beside which is best) but this hasn’t sparked that debate, which is a missed oportunity IMO. Survival is about hazard perception and avoidance not an encyclopedia knowledge of the highway code or case law.
twowheelsbetter_uk wrote:
Fair enough: you must have seen already that road.cc has had a lot of problems with persons signing up just to create conflict, getting banned, then signing up under a new user name, and on and on and on…
We can be a bit sensitive about it, so if you are genuinely a new commenter who just happens to have dissenting opinions then accept my apologies for being suspicious
I experience this a lot on
I experience this a lot on the residential roads in my borough. The motorist creates a dangerous situation regardless of the age of the cyclist. Often the motorist expects the cyclist to yield to them even though they were in the narrow section first and the motorist has to cross the centre line to proceed through the narrow section. For this reason I think the so-called “quiet ways” are more dangerous than the main roads because on a main road you get far fewer head-on collision conflict situations like this.
Can we stop peddling this 1
Can we stop peddling this 1.5m nonsense please?
Rule 163 states: “give way to oncoming vehicles before passing parked vehicles or other obstructions on your side of the road”
The driver should not have proceeded at all with another vehicle oncoming. They should have given way to the oncoming vehicle. The fact that the vehicle was a bicycle is utterly immaterial.
And while I’m here, this talk of roads being for cars is laughable. Roads have been around for about 4000 years. Bicycles have been around for longer than cars, and widespread car ownership is a relatively new thing. To anyone who thinks that roads are for cars: keep your trap shut and go read a book or two.
Roads are for everyone, but
Roads are for everyone, but as I’m sure you’re aware road users should have a high degree of competence before they commit to an activity which can be risky to the untrained.
I wouldn’t put a 5 year old cyclist who is clearly wobbly on the road any more than I would pop him on a specially adapted driving seat and expect him to drive a car safely.
On Rule 163, it does not apply here as there was plenty of space for both sets of vehicles to pass slowly and safely. The driver was perfectly entitled to drive past as videoed, and isn’t legally in the wrong. However, if I was driving the car, I would have paused to let the child past, regardless of entitlement and his father’s parental incompetence and error of judgement .
UK law only requires a high
UK law only requires a high degree of competence for a subset of vehicle users. That is drivers of MOTOR vehicles. That competence is ostensibly achieved through testing and licensing. The reason why motor vehicle users require such a high degree of competence to use the roads is because of the level of risk associated with the use of those vehicles. The risk is caused by the motor vehicles and is greatly exacerbated by low competence amongst the licensed road users. A 5 year old on a bicycle is not a significant cause of risk and therefore they are not required to be licensed and are not legally required to be competent.
Rule 163 does apply here. The car driver pulled out round parked cars with not one but two vehicles oncoming. They most certainly were oncoming, regardless of whether you or the driver in the clip thinks they can just squuuuuuueeeeeeeeeze through. Time 163 does not say “keep going as long as you can squuuuuuueeeeeeeeeze through”, it clearly says “give way”.
Absolute drivel. Rule 163 is
Absolute drivel. Rule 163 is for overtaking and has nothing to do with this incident. The 1.5 meter rule and 163 generally does not apply here. There was enough room for the vehicles to pass safely and I stand by my first comment.
Rakia wrote:
Rule 163 is for overtaking and has nothing to do with this incident. The 1.5 meter rule and 163 generally does not apply here. There was enough room for the vehicles to pass safely and I stand by my first comment.— Rakia
It’s always nice to see someone taking the time to properly title their post, thank you.
I’m replying to this not
I’m replying to this not really for Rakia’s benefit – I realise that they are a troll, idiot, or both – but rather for the benefit of others who might otherwise believe Rakia’s nonsense.
Rule 163 says: “give way to oncoming vehicles before passing parked vehicles or other obstructions on your side of the road”
It expressly and specifically includes exactly the scenario shown in the video.
It is my understanding that passing parked cars is considered a type of overtaking (hence why the above text is included in rule 163), and that is why the 1.5m is brought up. My original point though is that leaving 1.5m does not magically make the manoeuvre safe, and the highway code specifically states to “give way”.
I’m not really posting this
I’m not really posting this for your benefit, as I know you will continue to argue “black is white”, but for people who might be suckered in your falsehoods.
Rule 163 refers to overtaking parked cars. You cannot “overtake” someone who is going in completely the opposite direction as you. A child knows this.
If you pass someone going in the opposite direction, you are not overtaking them. You are passing them in the opposite direction. This is a deliberate misuse and abuse of rule 163.
If you paused to think logically for a second, you would realise that makes perfect sense rationally. There are many roads and lanes where it is impossible to leave a 1.5 metre gap between passing vehicles, so what are people meant to do? Sit there in a perpetual traffic jam because some idiot thinks you need 1.5 metres to pass someone safely?
Rule 163 refers to oncoming
Rule 163 refers to oncoming vehicles. If you cannot tell the difference between a parked car and an oncoming vehicle, you should hand your licence in.
ShutTheFrontDawes wrote:
You cannot overtake a vehicle (or anything) going on the opposite direction of travel. You pass it. At the part you are mentioning, the code is referring to overtaking parked cars.
Later in the regulation (and completely independently), it refers to overtaking cyclists. There is then a gigantic photo illustrating an overtake, for people who get easily confused, where the car and cyclist are traveling in the same direction.
There is no photo showing your fictitious, truth bending, definition of vehicles travelling in opposite directions.
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Seems pretty straightforward to me that the oncoming motorist had decided that the HC didn’t apply to them…
Rule 16e says amongst other
Rule 163 says amongst other things: “give way to oncoming vehicles before passing parked vehicles or other obstructions on your side of the road”
That is very clear and does not talk about overtaking something traveling in the same direction as you.
ShutTheFrontDawes wrote:
There is no “side of the road”. Can you see a dashed white lane in the centre separating the lanes? The vehicles were not “oncoming” in the spirit of the highway code, they were positioned in a way that both parties could easily pass.
The road narrows where the pass took place due to the parked cars. As there was enough room to overtake the parked cars safely and pass the cyclists at a reasonable speed, the driver was within their rights to perform his manoeuvre. If it wasn’t for the pearl-clutching antics of the father no one would have batted an eyelid.
That’s all I’m posting on the subject now, I think you know that you are writing rubbish for laughs and I’m not willing to engage on this topic again. The evidence and law is clear.
Do you think that you need a
Do you think that you need a white line to tell which side of the road to drive on? Do you have a lot of head-on collisions Rakia? It would explain your level of intelligence.
The driver is not within their rights to perform the manoeuvre at all. Rule 163 states that they should have given way to oncoming vehicles before passing the parked vehicles on their side of the road (near verbatim copy from rule 163, by the way). And yes, their side of the road would be the left hand side (we drive on the left in this country by the way Rakia, I remember that sometimes you claim to be foreign with poor English, and other times you don’t – I suppose it depends on which alias you think you’re posting as?) when viewed from their direction of travel.
Rakia wrote:
It’s one of those new-fangled double Mobius loop roads. First Mobius loop removes one side. Second Mobius loop removes the other.
[This works better if you read it in Victor Kiam’s voice]
TheBillder wrote:
Did he like the road network so much that he bought it? 😀
TheBillder wrote:
I’ll see your Victor Kiam’s voice and raise you a Cliff Stoll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAsICMPwGPY
If you cut a Klein bottle in half, it becomes two Möbius strips.
hawkinspeter wrote:
I’ll see your Victor Kiam’s voice and raise you a Cliff Stoll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAsICMPwGPY
If you cut a Klein bottle in half, it becomes two Möbius strips.— TheBillder
Fun fact: I first learned about Möbius strips through a story in a Doctor Who annual c.1975. I was at primary school…
No wonder you’ve managed to
No wonder you’ve managed to over 10000 posts!
brooksby wrote:
I don’t remember that, I remember the tie-in episodes – The Brain of Morbius in 1976. That was back in the day that Tom Baker could happily go around making cyanogen gas to kill enemies and no-one minded.
Apparently, there’s a bit of story continuity confusion with The Brain of Morbius as the Doctor and Morbius have a brain-fight and it shows previous incarnations of them including Doctors preceding William Hartnell.
hawkinspeter wrote:
It was a story about getting lost inside the TARDIS, IIRC (and predates the Castrovalva/Logopolis ‘what happens if you park a TARDIS inside another TARDIS’ thing…).
The faces in the Brain of Morbius (not Möbius!) game has been retconned away in the most recent Who by saying that the Doctor isn’t even Gallifreyan, and has had a LOT of lives prior to Hartnell: they just have their memory wiped every twelve or so lives…
brooksby wrote:
I just happened across this Reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/heyUK/comments/yojgml/in_1976_the_bishopbriggs_times_interviewed_a/
hawkinspeter wrote:
Brilliant! 😀
Rakia wrote:
Is that a bit like asking the mods to close your account because you’re going away and never darkening our door again?
brooksby wrote:
Is that a bit like asking the mods to close your account because you’re going away and never darkening our door again?— Rakia
It looks like he has just moved to another account to comment already.
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Come on Boo, I realise you have been banned from this site for awhile but rule 101 of trolling is to remember the troll you put down the other day.
Of course, as with previously banned
SocraticyclistMartin, you also seem to look at a video and interpret something that is not there. I mean I don’t see a wobble on that video, so maybe it is your head that is wobbling in life.Rakia wrote:
For once I agree. And the road user displaying risky behaviour, a lack of competence and demonstrating need of further training was … the motorist. The 5 year old cyclist rode with aplomb and respect for the Highway Code.
If the 5 year old was fully
If the 5 year old was fully capable of cycling “with aplomb”, then his daddy has confected the incident for the clicks.
I’ve suddenly had a nasty thought that this whole incident was created to generate publicity for the Jeremy Vile show, has anyone checked to see if the dad works for Channel 5?
Having a nasty thought? Well
Having a nasty thought? Well you are a downright nasty person so shouldn’t that just be “I’ve suddenly had a reason to spout more nastiness”.
Rakia wrote:
You’re saying that given the five year old is cycling with aplomb [i]therefore[/i] the motorist is driving safely. I’m sorry, I don’t see the connection.
No. Look up the highway code.
No. Look up the highway code.
Yep, UK roads started being
Yep, UK roads started being paved about 10 years before the first car after a campaign by cyclists.
Given the parked cars I don’t
Given the parked cars I don’t think, under rule 153, the driver should have moved through the chicane. I don’t think they would have done if it was another car. Add to that rule 204 the hierarchy is clear.
It’s so depressing that there’s any debate at all. idiots disagreeing with the experts, deciding that their ‘my way’ code takes precedence over the highway code.
The thing I find most
The thing I find most depressing is that not only do many of these morons get to vote in the same country as me, some of them are part of the furniture in Parliament (eg baroness Foster).
Even if one agreed with
Even if one agreed with Baroness Foster, and she provides no evidence from the HC or anywhere else that a child can’t cycle on the road, and thought the parent was irresponsible any responsible driver would still stop. Don’t pick a side and say one is irresponsible and the other isn’t.
Also isn’t Baroness Foster part of the legislative process of this country. If you see something you think shouldn’t be allowed then lobby to legislate against it don’t go on social media to give incorrect opinions.
I agree completely. But
I agree completely. But please don’t go giving anyone ideas about legislating against cycling in the road! I’ll need to start sharpening my pitchfork!
ShutTheFrontDawes wrote:
Stools?
Every day, I’m becoming more
Every day, I’m becoming more and more astounded how, despite just about everybody having 24 hour instant access to any information they desire, by way of a small device that fits in their pocket – so many people simply don’t know anything (but profess to be experts on everything)
https://tenor.com/Tbz9.gif
A second topic over the same
A second topic over the same video and we are still missing the point, that people when have to think fast and in unusual situations, will make errors. The solution is simple, think and built in advance. This is not a speeding 18year old driver with a black tinted 20year old hatchback, seems more like an average joe judging from his speed before and his car.
The point is that we have a road with scarsely cars parked left and other right. I think there is enough space for a 2m cycleway and enough space for all cars to be parked. Simple as that.
I cannot estimate ages good, but if he is indeed is five years old, I would never ride with him on the main road. The footpath would be perfect. I can undestand that people will have to put law in front and say “this is my right” but we have to always think of our safety first for any given context. Risking of becoming a martyr to defend your rights is not good, even more when it is your son’s life .
Doesn’t fit our “I’m a great
Doesn’t fit our “I’m a great driver! I passed my test 30 years ago!” narrative. Whereas authorities for all other transport modes (Civil aviation authority, MCA etc) recognise that even in the professional sphere with much more training, regular recertification etc. humans will still make mistakes. And the more you can engineer things beforehand to make decisions simpler / give people more time and space to make them, the safer.
Strangely this is the approach taken to “road safety” by the place which has the highest proportion of journeys cycled and is the safest for pedestrians. (It’s pretty good for drivers also.) Still, not invented here…
The pavements are really safe
The pavements are really safe for peds and children in pushchairs.
No doubt if in Norwich and you tried to stop the driver, the police would intervene and claim you were obstructing.
https://mobile.twitter.com/azb2019/status/1590455020360994817
I honestly don’t know why
I honestly don’t know why this is being debated in favour of the driver. Some replies in the twitter thread backing up the cyclist below:
https://twitter.com/SurreyRoadCops/status/1588887395831009280
https://twitter.com/markandcharlie/status/1588459706137579521
(from traffic cops)
schneil wrote:
A point brought up in the first link echoes my thinking – if the driver had done that on a driving test, they would have failed.
I was looking at the road hierarchy picture and was thinking that the horse-riders and cyclists should be swapped around and then saw that there was already a reply agreeing. When cycling, I’d give priority to horse-riders every time.