Video: What happens when a TV helicopter gets a bit too close to a bike race?

@mitsky in fact I think eg. Dutch shopkeepers and business owners could point to cold hard cash figures! And there's at least one UK government document (some years back now - "the value of cycling" - via University of Birmingham and the DfT) where they go through the numbers. But with motoring crucially we normally discount all or most of the *costs* *. Then, since different monies are accounted for (or not...) under different budgets / departments / different levels of government changes can get always be argued over. ("My department is ultimately measured getting more *motor* traffic to flow, ergo active travel always looks like a problem"). * eg. Perhaps we just focus on "road taxes" vs. the "road budget" and ignore all the "externalities" (which are normally "off-budget" by design). This is a comfort to those who may not wish us to know that driving is a net cost to all taxpayers whether they drive themselves or not. (Where active travel is calculated as a net benefit). There are arguments for everyone paying this, but much better not to have them!

@mdavidford Ah so this image is before the pannier gets pushed down. It won't work with my panniers then. Thanks

@mdavidford Thanks I see it in the side photo now. It's a bit difficult to know what is part of the rack and what is part of the side panel. Maybe the reviewer could use a hot pink rack next time :-)

@SVXY Yes and a fisherman can be convicted of that offence as a cyclist can be convicted of careless cycling

@SVXY Yes and a fisherman can be convicted of that offence as a cyclist can be of careless cycling

Still better safe... add it to the list along with hi-vis (with reflectives), helmet, definitely not sandals...

Do tight-fitting masks help by stopping cyclists breathing effectively, and thus not hoovering up so many particles (more deeply) into their lungs? Won't they think of motorists - IIRC you could get a worse dose by driving? And worse still are some of the deep tube lines apparently...

@Jetmans Dad you're quite right, - although we then get into what charges are considered (see nonsense of the distinction between "careless" and "dangerous". And of course that these only exist to replace other charges (which the judiciary / jurors felt were unfair on motorists)). And the fairly arbitrary allocation of punishments. The contrarian would have been better being more explicit about "should it be a *crime* if most people don't think it is?" Or rather - how does the law help with deterrence / prevention of harm AND delivering the degree of "desert" broadly acceptable to society. Ultimately I would suggest that "police it better" isn't the primary tool (particularly with such a massive investment in the motornormative). I would argue for the "restrict motoring convenience" like the Dutch. And not "restrict and ideally dissuade vulnerable road users" which the Uk has done by fiat and presumably that poster would like more of.

It's not really odd at all, given that transport planning is not their field of study.

@jaymack maybe if he had bothered looking he would have seen her? His dashcam showed her quite clearly...