“Olympic Borough” Newham puts brakes on Boris’s Cycle Superhighway

I think I read on Weight Weenies once that Zipps are for the go with the flow crowd who vaguely recall that they may have been mentioned as good once and can't be bothered to do any actual research themselves. They're welcome to them - hookless and with junk hubs.

There was me thinking you could do that any time you liked...

Wait til he finds out about vehicles...

But it was mentioned here: "Hammersmith Bridge car plans axed over £300m cost" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yzqv29d1eo

@quiff The point im raising is, much of this is symptomatic of a transport infrastructure thats overwhelmed with the weight of traffic using it. Maybe people would feel safer if the vehicles were fewer and not as oversized as modern cars have become. 30 years ago this wasn't so much of an issue. But there are more cars than ever, driving standards have eroded and the roads are crumbling through underinvestment. all while these poorly planned and built without cycling groups input. I will use Harrogate town centre as a great example. The council never once spoke to any of the many cycling groups in the area, the plan was a total shambles and inconvenience to all. You have some great cycle routes in the area. the Beryl Burton route being a top example but the town centre is an SUV heavy clusterf***. I never cycled anywhere near the town centre due to this. Everywhere else around the town - brilliant roads in nearly all directions. There are so many examples of utterly bonkers cycling infrastructure. Some so poorly designed it actively dissuades cyclists from using it which then draws the wrath of drivers who then complain its not being used. All the while the majority of cyclist will say, treat me with respect and dont endager me and we can all use the roads. But its getting harder and harder to do that with the current trends in car design and ailing stadards

cyclists tend to be slimmer than people who are waddl.. walking.

Saw a bit on BBC News this morning about the weight limit on Vauxhall Bridge starting today. Nothing on the BBC website as of today, just the previous article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4p10l3833o

@Smoggysteve That may well apply to a lot of cyclists. But what about people who don't already cycle? They frequently report feeling unsafe - the infrastructure is intended for them (though admittedly it doesn't always pass muster).

@imajez the data on Working Family Tax Credit shows that the recipients are much more likely to be working 16 hours than 40. The reason for that is the 16 hour threshold meets the threshold for eligibility to a wider range of benefits including housing support. So the recipients work less and then avoid the significant costs that everyone else has to pay themselves.

In reality, I dont think many cyclists actually cry out for all this cycling focussed infrastructure. Local governments may install it and cyclists will mostly use it but I see very few actual cyclists demanding it. Most would happily ride on the roads and be treated with respect by drivers. Most cycle paths are built to fulfil a quota of active travel budget. Cyclists and cycling groups are often ignored in the decision making process, so its not us its you pal that are the problem designing crappy infrastructure very few cyclists actually wanted to begin with.