General Election: Where do the parties stand on cycling?

FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:

One person's opinion, and even then your link doesn't back up the claim made. They say, in a rather vague and curiously one-sided way, that Labour has encouraged the growth of 'soft core holocaust denial', which they define as 'criticising Israel too strongly'. Not that convincing or relevant to your case (even though I certainly agree people shouldn't use Nazi analogies when speaking of Israel).

Any comment on your pal Johnson's support for the openly and actively anti-Semitic Viktor Orban or employing of Taki, by the way? Why the one-sided emphasis on Labour?

The increase in modal share is still very small. Hardly an 'explosion'. Given how unimpressive Khan has been, I do wonder if it wouldn't have been better all-round if Johnson had somehow been forcibly kept on as mayor and hence not able to do all that damage as foreign-secretary and now PM. Just have to stop him engaging in any more garden bridges and keep him fighting with black cabbies instead.

You have a former mayor here in London [Ken Livingstone] who would talk about the cooperation between the Zionists and the Nazis,” she said.

“He took one little historical fact and blew it up into something that never existed, completely twisted the truth. Irrespective of how you feel about him politically - its historically rubbish. “But it’s more than that - it’s a form of anti- Semitism. That’s the kind of softcore denial I worry about much more. It’s subtly anti-Semitic and its clearly denial because it rewrites history.”

She specifically mention Livingstone so I'm not sure how you can claim it's not relevant.

It may be one person's opinion but she is an expert in the field so you can't entirely discount it just because you disagree.

I hope that when we leave the EU we won't have to deal with Orban anymore, he is an odious individual.

No idea who Taki is. I initially brought up anti-semitism in response to Burt's hillarious assertion that Corbyn had never told a lie. It's just continued from there.

Rich_cb wrote:

FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:

Glad you admit to being a doofus and stupid. Now you've admitted it, perhaps you'll stop posting? Do I really need to do this? Are you genuinely that dim, or are you just blinded by bias? Show me where Ken Livingstone, for all his monomania and poor-judgement with regard to Israel, has denied the Holocaust. Then show me this 'explosion' in cycle infrastructure and how it isn't, in fact, just one or two half-decent new segregated cycle routes that have only increased cycling's modal share of journeys by a very modest amount. Then get back to me.

Professor of Holocaust Studies and international expert on anti-Semitism labelling Livingstone a Holocaust denier here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/07/02/labour-responsible-rise... Explosion is obviously a subjective term. Nobody can deny that Johnson oversaw an increase in cycling infrastructure and modal share though.

The Daily Telegraph - a source of unbiased reporting on all things to do with the Labour Party.

I am totally opposed to all forms of discrimination against racial or ethnic groups and it should always be called out, be it in the LP or elsewhere, but I am sorry to say that so much of what is described as anti-semitism, particularly where the Labour Party is involved, is criticism of Isreal and its politics. That is no more anti-semitism than criticising any other foregn government is racism.

I am dismayed when I hear people repeating what they have been fed by the right wing media about what the Labour Party are up to. I was having a conversation with a lovely coleague yesterday who spoke about the "fake" photo of the boy lying on the floor of an A & E dept in Leeds, "put out by the Labour Party". I and another coleague immediately piped up that it was in no way fake or that it had been put out by the LP. She was happy to be put right but like so many others she believes the constant stream of lies. 

Rich_cb wrote:

FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:

Glad you admit to being a doofus and stupid. Now you've admitted it, perhaps you'll stop posting? Do I really need to do this? Are you genuinely that dim, or are you just blinded by bias? Show me where Ken Livingstone, for all his monomania and poor-judgement with regard to Israel, has denied the Holocaust. Then show me this 'explosion' in cycle infrastructure and how it isn't, in fact, just one or two half-decent new segregated cycle routes that have only increased cycling's modal share of journeys by a very modest amount. Then get back to me.

Professor of Holocaust Studies and international expert on anti-Semitism labelling Livingstone a Holocaust denier here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/07/02/labour-responsible-rise... Explosion is obviously a subjective term. Nobody can deny that Johnson oversaw an increase in cycling infrastructure and modal share though.

"Professor of Holocaust Studies and international expert on anti-Semitism labelling Livingstone a Holocaust denier here"

I'm beginning to see where you get your ultra-right wing attitude from;  nowhere in that article does the good professor say, in any way shape or form, that Livingstone denies the holocaust.  You literally made that up.

Rather like this BBC "fact check" site which says that his claim that Hitler supported sending jews to Israel was inaccurate, but only because it wasn't called Israel, it was Palestine.  It totally fails to look at the content of the claim itself.  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36165298

burtthebike wrote:

I'm beginning to see where you get your ultra-right wing attitude from;  nowhere in that article does the good professor say, in any way shape or form, that Livingstone denies the holocaust.  You literally made that up.

Rather like this BBC "fact check" site which says that his claim that Hitler supported sending jews to Israel was inaccurate, but only because it wasn't called Israel, it was Palestine.  It totally fails to look at the content of the claim itself.  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36165298

If only you'd read the article Burt.

"You have a former mayor here in London [Ken Livingstone] who would talk about the cooperation between the Zionists and the Nazis,” she said.

“He took one little historical fact and blew it up into something that never existed, completely twisted the truth. Irrespective of how you feel about him politically - its historically rubbish. “But it’s more than that - it’s a form of anti- Semitism. That’s the kind of softcore denial I worry about much more. It’s subtly anti-Semitic and its clearly denial because it rewrites history.”

Rich_cb wrote:

burtthebike wrote:

I'm beginning to see where you get your ultra-right wing attitude from;  nowhere in that article does the good professor say, in any way shape or form, that Livingstone denies the holocaust.  You literally made that up.

Rather like this BBC "fact check" site which says that his claim that Hitler supported sending jews to Israel was inaccurate, but only because it wasn't called Israel, it was Palestine.  It totally fails to look at the content of the claim itself.  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36165298

If only you'd read the article Burt. "You have a former mayor here in London [Ken Livingstone] who would talk about the cooperation between the Zionists and the Nazis,” she said. “He took one little historical fact and blew it up into something that never existed, completely twisted the truth. Irrespective of how you feel about him politically - its historically rubbish. “But it’s more than that - it’s a form of anti- Semitism. That’s the kind of softcore denial I worry about much more. It’s subtly anti-Semitic and its clearly denial because it rewrites history.”

How odd; you accidentally snipped your own words out of the above quote.  Let me remind you;

"Professor of Holocaust Studies and international expert on anti-Semitism labelling Livingstone a Holocaust denier here"

I did read the article, and you lied; it doesn't say that Livingstone was a holocaust denier, and the quote you've used doesn't say that either.  I'd normally expect an apology, but you're a tory, so there's no point expecting anything other than denial of the facts and distraction.

FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:

Pushing50 wrote:

FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:

So you tell a gross exaggeration followed by a blatant lie in the cause of your partisan loyalties, then call others 'tribal'. Yeah, I don't call you crazy, I call you a crap propagandist. You need to be more subtle.

 

 

 

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Honestly, can you point out the blatant lie and gross exageration? I must be a doofus, stupid or just too ignorant to see it in the post. Thank you in advance.

Glad you admit to being a doofus and stupid. Now you've admitted it, perhaps you'll stop posting? Do I really need to do this? Are you genuinely that dim, or are you just blinded by bias? Show me where Ken Livingstone, for all his monomania and poor-judgement with regard to Israel, has denied the Holocaust. Then show me this 'explosion' in cycle infrastructure and how it isn't, in fact, just one or two half-decent new segregated cycle routes that have only increased cycling's modal share of journeys by a very modest amount. Then get back to me.

Wow, very sorry for asking to understand what you meant. Bias? I was after explanation only. You do realise that I am not Rich_cb? Now I get what you were refering to I understand the reason for the gross exageration (explosion) and the blatant lie (Livingstone). I thanked you in advance, maybe I should not be so polite next time!!!

Pushing50 wrote:

FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:

Pushing50 wrote:

FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:

So you tell a gross exaggeration followed by a blatant lie in the cause of your partisan loyalties, then call others 'tribal'. Yeah, I don't call you crazy, I call you a crap propagandist. You need to be more subtle.

 

 

 

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Honestly, can you point out the blatant lie and gross exageration? I must be a doofus, stupid or just too ignorant to see it in the post. Thank you in advance.

Glad you admit to being a doofus and stupid. Now you've admitted it, perhaps you'll stop posting? Do I really need to do this? Are you genuinely that dim, or are you just blinded by bias? Show me where Ken Livingstone, for all his monomania and poor-judgement with regard to Israel, has denied the Holocaust. Then show me this 'explosion' in cycle infrastructure and how it isn't, in fact, just one or two half-decent new segregated cycle routes that have only increased cycling's modal share of journeys by a very modest amount. Then get back to me.

 

Wow, very sorry for asking to understand what you meant. Bias? I was after explanation only. You do realise that I am not Rich_cb? Now I get what you were refering to I understand the reason for the gross exageration (explosion) and the blatant lie (Livingstone). I thanked you in advance, maybe I should not be so polite next time!!!

And you're right, I can admit to being a doofus when I don't understand something. This, I think is not a weakness and something to be attacked. If only some other people would do the same from time to time so that proper discussion could take place. I also know that I am NOT a political supremecist for any of the political parties, unlike a lot on here (which I thought was a cycling forum and not a labour/conservative propoganda factory).

Pushing50 wrote:

Pushing50 wrote:

FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:

Pushing50 wrote:

FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:

So you tell a gross exaggeration followed by a blatant lie in the cause of your partisan loyalties, then call others 'tribal'. Yeah, I don't call you crazy, I call you a crap propagandist. You need to be more subtle.

 

 

 

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Honestly, can you point out the blatant lie and gross exageration? I must be a doofus, stupid or just too ignorant to see it in the post. Thank you in advance.

Glad you admit to being a doofus and stupid. Now you've admitted it, perhaps you'll stop posting? Do I really need to do this? Are you genuinely that dim, or are you just blinded by bias? Show me where Ken Livingstone, for all his monomania and poor-judgement with regard to Israel, has denied the Holocaust. Then show me this 'explosion' in cycle infrastructure and how it isn't, in fact, just one or two half-decent new segregated cycle routes that have only increased cycling's modal share of journeys by a very modest amount. Then get back to me.

 

Wow, very sorry for asking to understand what you meant. Bias? I was after explanation only. You do realise that I am not Rich_cb? Now I get what you were refering to I understand the reason for the gross exageration (explosion) and the blatant lie (Livingstone). I thanked you in advance, maybe I should not be so polite next time!!!

And you're right, I can admit to being a doofus when I don't understand something. This, I think is not a weakness and something to be attacked. If only some other people would do the same from time to time so that proper discussion could take place. I also know that I am NOT a political supremecist for any of the political parties, unlike a lot on here (which I thought was a cycling forum and not a labour/conservative propoganda factory).

In fact, I am now sick of this site and the sanctimonious morons who post on it. You get your wish. No more posting or reading road.cc. Congratulations on your assumptive, unfounded and unprovoked view of someone who asked a question of you. Maybe go and take a look in the mirror. Fluffy Kitten my arse.

Pushing50 wrote:

Pushing50 wrote:

Pushing50 wrote:

FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:

Pushing50 wrote:

FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:

So you tell a gross exaggeration followed by a blatant lie in the cause of your partisan loyalties, then call others 'tribal'. Yeah, I don't call you crazy, I call you a crap propagandist. You need to be more subtle.

 

 

 

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Honestly, can you point out the blatant lie and gross exageration? I must be a doofus, stupid or just too ignorant to see it in the post. Thank you in advance.

Glad you admit to being a doofus and stupid. Now you've admitted it, perhaps you'll stop posting? Do I really need to do this? Are you genuinely that dim, or are you just blinded by bias? Show me where Ken Livingstone, for all his monomania and poor-judgement with regard to Israel, has denied the Holocaust. Then show me this 'explosion' in cycle infrastructure and how it isn't, in fact, just one or two half-decent new segregated cycle routes that have only increased cycling's modal share of journeys by a very modest amount. Then get back to me.

 

Wow, very sorry for asking to understand what you meant. Bias? I was after explanation only. You do realise that I am not Rich_cb? Now I get what you were refering to I understand the reason for the gross exageration (explosion) and the blatant lie (Livingstone). I thanked you in advance, maybe I should not be so polite next time!!!

And you're right, I can admit to being a doofus when I don't understand something. This, I think is not a weakness and something to be attacked. If only some other people would do the same from time to time so that proper discussion could take place. I also know that I am NOT a political supremecist for any of the political parties, unlike a lot on here (which I thought was a cycling forum and not a labour/conservative propoganda factory).

In fact, I am now sick of this site and the sanctimonious morons who post on it. You get your wish. No more posting or reading road.cc. Congratulations on your assumptive, unfounded and unprovoked view of someone who asked a question of you. Maybe go and take a look in the mirror. Fluffy Kitten my arse.

Yeah, well good luck getting quality squirrel related posts elsewhere.

hawkinspeter wrote:

Yeah, well good luck getting quality squirrel related posts elsewhere.[/quote]

Some of us are still waiting for them here.

burtthebike wrote:

hawkinspeter wrote:

 Yeah, well good luck getting quality squirrel related posts elsewhere.

Some of us are still waiting for them here.

That's austerity for you

Pushing50 wrote:

Pushing50 wrote:

Pushing50 wrote:

FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:

Pushing50 wrote:

FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:

So you tell a gross exaggeration followed by a blatant lie in the cause of your partisan loyalties, then call others 'tribal'. Yeah, I don't call you crazy, I call you a crap propagandist. You need to be more subtle.

 

 

 

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Honestly, can you point out the blatant lie and gross exageration? I must be a doofus, stupid or just too ignorant to see it in the post. Thank you in advance.

Glad you admit to being a doofus and stupid. Now you've admitted it, perhaps you'll stop posting? Do I really need to do this? Are you genuinely that dim, or are you just blinded by bias? Show me where Ken Livingstone, for all his monomania and poor-judgement with regard to Israel, has denied the Holocaust. Then show me this 'explosion' in cycle infrastructure and how it isn't, in fact, just one or two half-decent new segregated cycle routes that have only increased cycling's modal share of journeys by a very modest amount. Then get back to me.

 

Wow, very sorry for asking to understand what you meant. Bias? I was after explanation only. You do realise that I am not Rich_cb? Now I get what you were refering to I understand the reason for the gross exageration (explosion) and the blatant lie (Livingstone). I thanked you in advance, maybe I should not be so polite next time!!!

And you're right, I can admit to being a doofus when I don't understand something. This, I think is not a weakness and something to be attacked. If only some other people would do the same from time to time so that proper discussion could take place. I also know that I am NOT a political supremecist for any of the political parties, unlike a lot on here (which I thought was a cycling forum and not a labour/conservative propoganda factory).

In fact, I am now sick of this site and the sanctimonious morons who post on it. You get your wish. No more posting or reading road.cc. Congratulations on your assumptive, unfounded and unprovoked view of someone who asked a question of you. Maybe go and take a look in the mirror. Fluffy Kitten my arse.

What on earth happened here? I don't look at the site for a few hours and when I come back  people are swearing at each other and flouncing off in a strop...

brooksby wrote:

What on earth happened here? I don't look at the site for a few hours and when I come back  people are swearing at each other and flouncing off in a strop...

Called it in comment #5...

FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:

alexuk wrote:

burtthebike wrote:

Not only is the tory commitment to cycling pathetic, only a fool would believe they are actually going to spend even that tiny amount, and their record is appalling, even if their rhetoric is good.

OK, cycling is far from the only policy on which to decide who to vote for, but any cyclist would have to think twice about voting tory, and any alternative is better.

Call me crazy, but wasn't it a Tory Mayor of London who led the explosion of cycling infrastructure in the capital? For sure, the idea might have started with Livingstone the Holocaust denier, but there's a BIG difference between having an idea and making it happen. Ignorant statement as always by left-wing tribal voters.

So you tell a gross exaggeration followed by a blatant lie in the cause of your partisan loyalties, then call others 'tribal'. Yeah, I don't call you crazy, I call you a crap propagandist. You need to be more subtle.

Thank you, took the words out of my mouth.  The usual right wing mix of lies, exaggerations and insults.