A penny-farthing rider from Battersea who hopes to be a candidate for the Brexit Party has begged its leader, Nigel Farage, to be given a job as the party’s spokesman to represent the views of fellow enthusiasts – as well as cyclists and motorbikers more generally.
65-year-old Alan Price – a past Conservative voter who describes his political views as “slightly to the right of Genghis Khan” – arrived at a press conference for the party on his penny-farthing, reports The New European.
Farage founded the party earlier this month after the continued postponement of the date the UK is due to leave the EU meant that the country will go to the polls next month for the European parliamentary elections.
Candidates confirmed as standing for the party include Annunziata Rees-Mogg, the sister of the Conservative MP and leader of the Tory backbencher pro-Brexit European Research Group, Jacob Rees-Mogg (pictured above).
Price, evidently, has done his own research – although perhaps surprisingly, it doesn’t stand up to close scrutiny.
He claimed that the EU had “harassed and excessively regulated” the “35 million” people in the UK who choose to get around on two wheels.
Analysis of government statistics by Cycling UK suggests that figure may be a slight exaggeration. In 2017, 6.1 million people in Great Britain cycled once a week or more, a further 3.1 million at least once a month, and 5.3 million less than once a month.
That gives a grand total of 14.5 million – equivalent to 28 per cent of the population – and it’s highly unlikely most would consider themselves “cyclists.” Meanwhile, more than two thirds of the population never cycle.
As for motorcycles, only 2 per cent of households nationally have access to one.
Besides that slight quibble over statistics, Price claims to speak for everyone who gets around on two wheels, powered or otherwise. “We as a group are massively in support of Brexit,” he trumpeted.
Hoping to be approved as a candidate for the Brexit Party in the forthcoming elections, he said: “Democracy has failed to work because we voted out and we want out.
“I have a personal interest in excessive taxation and bicycle tyres but there are also plenty of other laws about kettles and everything else.”
Including bendy bananas, at a guess.
“I’m excited now that democracy may rule in the UK because it clearly has not been ruling in recent times,” he added.
Touching as his plea to represent cyclists and motorbikers – and, yes, penny-farthing riders – is, he may wish to check the cycling policies of UKIP, the party Farage previously led.
In its manifesto for the 2010 general election, the party claimed that it “supports pedal cycles as a healthy means of personal transport.”
But while it said that “there needs to be a better balance of rights and responsibilities for pedal cyclists,” the focus was very much on the latter – it insisted there was “too much aggressive abuse of red lights, pedestrian crossings and a lack of basic safety and road courtesy.”
One solution it suggested was for cyclists to be required to have third party insurance combined with compulsory bike licensing in the form of a “Cycledisc.”
It also said it supported “provision of cycle parking at reasonable charges,” as well as compulsory training for cyclists, and for riders to be forced to dismount at “busy roundabouts, junctions or bus lanes, or where the road would be too narrowed by cycle lanes and cause unacceptable delays to traffic.”




















70 thoughts on “Brexit Party hopeful candidate begs Nigel Farage for penny-farthing spokesman job”
This man does not represent
This man does not represent me.
There may be 35 million bicycles out there, there are many tucked away in shed and garages gathering dust and slowly rotting away. Probably more than cars, just never ridden.
UKIPs pro cycling policies are pro cycling in the same way as they are so not racist. Taking advice from Stephen Yaxley-Lennon.
Well I’m glad that cycling is
Well I’m glad that cycling is on the political agenda, but I think he’s a bit confused about cyclists.
Now, as the comments here are bound to devolve into a political slanging match, I’ll present an argument on why the referendum was flawed (apologies for repeating this).
Source: https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/take-it-from-the-swiss-the-brexit-referendum-wasnt-legitimate
Well I’m glad that cycling is
Apology not accepted.
I know why I voted Leave, I’ve been told often enough during the last 34 months.
I’m racist, thick as pig-shit, ill-informed, uninformed, a working class oik having a tantrum, a little Englander pining for the days of Empire, I believed what was written on the side of a bus and I’m racist, did I mention racist?
FrankH wrote:
I’m assuming that’s hyperbole. So, why DID you vote Leave?
Genuinely interested.
brooksby wrote:
I believe we have too much government. Voting Leave was an opportunity (or so I thought) to remove one whole layer.
That’s one reason. Is that good enough?
(I could mention bananas, we have EU regulations regarding the minimum size of bananas. Think about that. We have people employed by government who have so little to do that we pay them to think up stupid rules about the size of bananas, but when you mention bananas and the EU you get people laughing at you about stupid people believing that the EU have banned bent bananas so I won’t mention bananas.)
FrankH wrote:
EU GDP ~$19 trillion, EU budget €165.8 bn, about 1% of the EU GDP. This is not in any way a layer of Big Government.
We have EU regulations regarding how bananas should be [i]graded[/i], like all agricultural goods, so you know that if you buy grade 1 bananas they will be a generally consistent size, shape, and quality. Lower grades are available. This is all in pursuit of allowing businesses to deal with consistent products so that when they buy a box of bananas, for example, they don’t find that there’s a top layer of perfect fruit and a bunch of manky ones underneath. What is the problem with having reasonable definitions of grades of produce so that everyone in the trade chain knows what they are buying and selling? You cannot, as a banana importer, inspect every single container of fruit that you buy yourself: you have to rely on [i]some[/i] standard so that you know what you are buying.
It’s this kind of daft idea about how regulations work and are applied that have led to a lot of misconceptions about both the EU and the Health and Safety Executive.
rkemb wrote:
We have EU regulations regarding how bananas should be [i]graded[/i], like all agricultural goods, so you know that if you buy grade 1 bananas they will be a generally consistent size, shape, and quality. Lower grades are available. This is all in pursuit of allowing businesses to deal with consistent products so that when they buy a box of bananas, for example, they don’t find that there’s a top layer of perfect fruit and a bunch of manky ones underneath. What is the problem with having reasonable definitions of grades of produce so that everyone in the trade chain knows what they are buying and selling? You cannot, as a banana importer, inspect every single container of fruit that you buy yourself: you have to rely on [i]some[/i] standard so that you know what you are buying.
It’s this kind of daft idea about how regulations work and are applied that have led to a lot of misconceptions about both the EU and the Health and Safety Executive.
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But this is leapt upon with glee by the msm, working for their billionaire bosses, and sold to the Great British populace as unelected Brussels bureaucrats riding roughshod over our own wonderful, perfectly just, impeccably correct, laws and standards. As H L Mencken said “No-one ever went bust under estimating the intelligence of the American public.” We are no different.
burtthebike wrote:
Boris Johnson, of course, was the [i]Telegraph[/i]’s Brussels correspondent in the early 90s, and was responsible for a reasonable number of the myths circulating now.
FrankH wrote:
Good crikey, you actually mentioned bananas and I’m genuinely not sure if you are having a little wind up. There’s just not many people prepared to admit they actually believed that banana stuff about the EU, it’s like the classic fake news meme which is why they get laughed at and called stupid.
Just for the record, the reality is that bananas like an awful lot of other agricultural products are graded so that when they go to commercial auction, the purchaser for Tescos can buy a bazillion bananas of a certain grade and know what it is they are getting without having to inspect them all first hand. If there is any imperative for the acceptable bendiness of bananas that appear on our shelves then it is driven by consumer demand and supermarkets. Having a single EU classification system saves individual countries a huge amount of money in avoiding duplicate legislation. Having an EU wide standard enables suppliers to conform to a single set of rules rather than handle the bureaucratic overhead of 27 different sets of paperwork and import standards. Incidentally no bananas of any shape or size are actually banned, they get classified as class 2 and can be as bendy as you like.
Care to do some research on vacuum cleaners before you come back with that false meme?
Mungecrundle wrote:
Quality: fair enough. Care to do some research on bananas? Here, I’ll give you somewhere to start:
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLEG:1994R2257:20060217:EN:PDF
You’ll see that what I said about small bananas is correct.
FrankH wrote:
Did you even read what he wrote? No one denies the existence of quality standards. They are pointing out your lack of understanding of what they are and why they are needed.
John Smith wrote:
And I quite clearly said that quality standards are fair enough. Did you even read what he wrote. Let me quote the relevant bit:
“…no bananas of any shape or size are actually banned…”
Did you even read the link I provided? I guess you didn’t:
“The minimum length permitted is 14 cm and the minimum grade permitted is 27 mm.” (Grade is their way of saying thickness.)
Ergo, as I said, small bananas are banned.
FrankH wrote:
So, you’re happy that these bureaucrats are setting standards of quality, in spite of not wanting an extra level of government. you’re just pissed off that they won’t let you buy small bananas. Why is that? I assume that as it’s just one line in 7 pages of text, one line I must have missed as I read through, so insignificant it must be. Why are you so hung up on not being able to buy small bananas, but happy to accept the (same) rules on quality.
Why is buying small bananas so important to you?
don simon fbpe wrote:
they’re readily available in Marks and Spencer’s
ConcordeCX wrote:
Aren’t those a different variety though?
hawkinspeter wrote:
maybe, maybe not, but I’m not going to find out as I’ve almost used up my EU-regulated quota of time spent discussing the niceties of European banana regulations on a cycling site.
don simon fbpe wrote:
Personally, I enjoy buying miniature products (baby sweetcorn, mini courgettes, cherry tomatoes, sprouts etc) as I can put them around me on the floor and then pretend that I’m a big giant.
hawkinspeter wrote:
These should do the trick!
https://www.eatme.eu/products/mini-banana
FrankH wrote:
Banned where exactly? The UK? In the rest of EUland they can be sold as Class 2.
RTF Regs next time.
FrankH wrote:
I think you’re using the outdated regulation. A newer one came into effect in 2012: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2011:336:0023:0034:EN:PDF
and later on in the reg:
FrankH wrote:
I know, it’s shocking. The way people sold any old crap and ripped us off. And those EU bastards wasting my 10p per day (or whatever it costs me) to make sure I have good quality food on my plate. The meddling bastards.
I particularly hate the way the take my money. MY FUCKING MONEY! And give it to poorer countries to improve their infrastructure and help develop customers of the future. Our fucking customers! we’ll see who’s laughing when we up our trade tariffs and rake in the profits. They need us more than we need them. White Cliffs of Dover, etc…
I hate the way that we have nurses in the NHS because they want to come and work in this hate filled country. Do they not know that we’re better.
I hate that there are people who want to come and work hard in the shitty jobs that we don’t want to do.
I hate being able to go on holiday on the cheap, without a passport (I know, but once you get into Schengen territory) or visa
I really hate the idea that young people want to go and work abroad. Why the fuck wants to educate themselves in other cultures. Ours is the fucking best (apparently).
I hate that I could work abroad for 11 years. It was awful, hardly anyone spoke english. FFS!
I hate the fact that illegal immigrant steal all our benefits (in spite of them being illegakl and not having access and our Govet not applying FoM as they could)…
I hate having higher quality goods with decent warranties.
I do hate the three pin plug, I mean who designs something so easy to stand on and injure themselves. Good on you UK for not capiyulating on this one.
I could go on, but I won’t.
The sooner we get good honest BoJo, Victorian Dad or NF running things the better.
Chao!
FrankH wrote:
This is like a white version of the Livingston Formulation.
hawkinspeter wrote:
It’s an interesting point, but for balance you have to admit that it also applies to a second referendum where Remain gets the simple option and Leave gets the Deal/NoDeal/Beef/Pork split.
Is this a joke? Come to road
Is this a joke? Come to road.cc for cycling, end up with far right political campaign material. What an absolute disgrace. Have a word with yourself editor.
roadmanshaq wrote:
If you are confusing a legitimate report on a cycling-related issue (and one in which it’s not too hard to read between the lines) wwith “far right political material,” it’s probably yourself you should “have a word with.” 😉
Simon_MacMichael wrote:
I am in no way shocked that another old white man sees nothing wrong with giving the desired coverage to a political group which agitates for racial hatred. Maybe for you this is a cheap file-and-go-home-early silly season story. For people like me who are being spat at in the street for speaking french on our phones it isn’t so funny.
roadmanshaq wrote:
Is this a joke? Come to road.cc for cycling, end up with far right political campaign material. What an absolute disgrace. Have a word with yourself editor.
— roadmanshaq If you are confusing a legitimate report on a cycling-related issue (and one in which it’s not too hard to read between the lines) wwith “far right political material,” it’s probably yourself you should “have a word with.” 😉— Simon_MacMichael I am in no way shocked that another old white man sees nothing wrong with giving the desired coverage to a political group which agitates for racial hatred. Maybe for you this is a cheap file-and-go-home-early silly season story. For people like me who are being spat at in the street for speaking french on our phones it isn’t so funny.— roadmanshaq
I’m sorry you’re getting grief for speaking french – that is not funny.
I think you’re misdirecting your anger towards this article which is clearly not right wing propaganda and instead has an incredulous tone.
If you look at the source quoted for the article (https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk), they’re most definitely pro-european. Their shop sells some anti-brexit merchandise
roadmanshaq wrote:
Mate, if you can’t hear the piss-taking in the original article, I can’t really help you. However, it’s probably a good life choice to decide not to attack people who agree with you…
AllegedlyAnthony][quote
You’re a fool. This article is a PR win for UKIP. It humanises them as relatable people, not the rancid, far right hate-mongering scum that they are.
roadmanshaq][quote
And the prophecy cometh true, Irrespective of the article or the intention of it, the Brexiteers come out to demonstrate their dumbenss and try and defend the stupidity. Not far from now toys will be thrown and dummies will be spat (not at roadmanshaq, hopefully) as the realisation dawns that there is NO argument to defend Brexit except the thick racist cuntish one of immigration, and we know that that’s a load of bollocks. But hey, it gives the right wingers the chancwe to out themselves before they get to crawl back into their boxes.
Choose a door FrankH.
It’s just so hard not have a
It’s just so hard not have a stereotype of Leave campaign supporters when people like Alan Price put themselves forward as representatives.
As far as purporting to represent cyclists, he has about as much relevance as something my cat hacked up earlier.
I am sorry that you object to
I am sorry that you object to the platform that this site has given to this idiot’s views, roadmanshaq, but for me, I am glad I know them so that I may vehemently oppose everything he says, does and is.
And just looking at the numbers, if there are 35 million of us, and the often quoted vote was 17.4 million, that’s not even half.
“Democracy has failed to work
“Democracy has failed to work because we voted out and we want out.”
Meanwhile there are many quite intelligent Brexit voters who have changed their minds since the bullshit and lies have become public knowledge. Only the deranged are banging on about this, and leave means leave. It’s a shame that these fools get so much publicity that gives them some sort of legitimacy.
This is not a harmless eccentric.
Alan Price does not represent
Alan Price does not represent my views. This either means I never cycle, or he is an idiot.
I’m fairly sure I cycle.
DoctorFish wrote:
I’m not a fan of his music either…
Why is it that the people we
Why is it that the people we hear most often going on about democracy are the ones “slightly to the right of Genghis Khan” who want to kick out the fuzzy wuzzies, who were lied to by their leaders, and who still think people like Farage or Rees-Mogg are “men of the people”. God! It makes me so sick. What went wrong with this country…? I want a time machine (and possibly a hunting rifle)… 😉
In a video interview doing
In a video interview doing the rounds on various local news web sites, he quotes a suspiciously-round figure of 80% of 35 million cyclists as having voted leave. Quite why cyclists would’ve been more likely than the general population to do so, he doesn’t say. He probably gets his statistics from Facebook posts, the ultimate source of information for people who think Wikipedia is a mouthpiece of the establishment.
But in a world in which Old Etonians can get away with claiming to represent the masses against the elites, and a person who bragged about not paying tax became President by promising to drain the swamp, surely a penny-farthing-riding nutjob can say he speaks for all cyclists, including the extra imaginary ones who ride around the inside of his head, wall-of-death-style.
handlebarcam wrote:
I bet that comes from the claim — frequently repeated by Theresa May — that around 80% of the electorate who voted in the last general election voted for the Conservatives or Labour, who both had manifestos at the time saying that they would enact Brexit. She has claimed that this means that 80% of the population supports Brexit, and particularly her Brexit, although of course this does not follow from the measure she is using…
not in my name, bud, that’s
not in my name, bud, that’s for sure.
i liked the meat eating argument further up – change the script to “shall we all turn Uber right-wing tonight?”
people here and in the US voted to kick against authority in 2016.
Kettles – the ones that last
Kettles – the ones that last barely a year and then have to be replaced with the old one going to landfill.
A vote winner.
I’d have thought cyclists tend to be educated middle earners who, as a larger group were in favour of staying.
Three bicycles, three votes,
Three bicycles, three votes, that’s what I say. That would sort this country out straight away.
This country has become an absolute farce.
FrankH wrote:
I know why I voted Leave, I’ve been told often enough during the last 34 months.
I’m racist, thick as pig-shit, ill-informed, uninformed, a working class oik having a tantrum, a little Englander pining for the days of Empire, I believed what was written on the side of a bus and I’m racist, did I mention racist?— FrankH
If you had any rational, honest arguments for why Brexit is a good idea, despite 34 months proof that it is a shitshow, you’d be posting them. Instead we get this oft-used pretence of taking personal offence when people point out that, while you may well not be racist or stupid, your side only won by a narrow margin through targeted lying to people who were.
handlebarcam wrote:
Ah right, so the lies that the remain campagin sold and are still selling to people don’t count? The amount of bullshit that has being spewn forth regarding the economy would be laughable if it wasn’t so damaging (and it has been massively damaging thus far!) and indeed making people think they had to vote remain. Your side was only so close to the leave vote because of the bullshit lies/fear factor that were spun so you can jog right on with your ‘well you only just won because of xx/yy/zz’, it works both ways and you know it, you can’t be that simple can you to not know this?
The problem we have had is that your lot have been causing such a massive ruck/throwing tantrums and ridiculous levels of personal bile/insults because you didn’t get your way, that that’s what is causing the majority of the issues over the last couple of years with the uncertainty of it all. It’s your lot that is deliberately fucking things up so its become a shitshow on a grand scale, it’s your lots fault that we haven’t got this done and dusted with hard brexit, in ‘your lot’ I include the lying and frankly treasonous viper May and her cohorts, she’s an utter disgrace to the title Prime Minister.
Right now, I’d rather stay in the EU than go with leave under the terms she is offering to MPs to accept, it’s weak as fuck, it’s selling the nation to the dogs and would kill us every which way … and she knows this, that is why she continues to press for this unworkable/unacceptable pile of steaming turd. This is deliberate to weaken the whole leave position and it’s working.
Blow fucking parliament up, at least save us the billions in repairs to the crack den and we can rebuild in the midlands somewhere that would ave countless billions more in the long run.
This is in part why we need this revolution, staying in an even more corrupt cabal is not working and has not worked in the UKs favour, it’s been going to shit for decades and getting ever worse.
Say what you like in response, I don’t care, it’ll be more of the same old pony that’s been chucked up since day one … blah blah blah blah blah blah. When it all comes crashing down and things carry on being a pile of shit, it’s on you and your lot, not those that wanted change for the better!
BehindTheBikesheds wrote:
Nice rant.
Back to the referendum, stay or leave?
Choose a door. Any door, I’ll tell you what’s behind them after you’ve chosen and committed yourself. I’m not interested in perceived problems within the room as most of them are bullshit. You have decided to choose a door and must tell me which one it is to be.
[img=]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DpS3vDia6yk/TWclP5-2vzI/AAAAAAAAAMY/nkgWKJJuEP8/s400/feb_25_2011FourDoors_Suzhou.jpg[/img]
LEAVE MEANS LEAVE!
BehindTheBikesheds wrote:
“Local corrupt cabals, for local people!”
BehindTheBikesheds wrote:
What a LOL-fest. Except for the comments on May which I can agree with.
Rapha Nadal wrote:
Behind the bike sheds. Could you please tell me what you actually expect to get from leaving the EU as I can not see how things would be any better for normal people and can’t understand why you think it would be much different. Please explain to me how this would work. I’m being serious as I just can’t understand it.
The problem we have had is
The problem we have had is that your lot have been causing such a massive ruck/throwing tantrums and ridiculous levels of personal bile/insults because you didn’t get your way, that that’s what is causing the majority of the issues over the last couple of years with the uncertainty of it all. It’s your lot that is deliberately fucking things up so its become a shitshow on a grand scale, it’s your lots fault that we haven’t got this done and dusted with hard brexit, in ‘your lot’ I include the lying and frankly treasonous viper May and her cohorts, she’s an utter disgrace to the title Prime Minister.
Remind who is throwing tantrums?
BehindTheBikesheds wrote:
The problem we have had is that your lot have been causing such a massive ruck/throwing tantrums and ridiculous levels of personal bile/insults because you didn’t get your way, that that’s what is causing the majority of the issues over the last couple of years with the uncertainty of it all. It’s your lot that is deliberately fucking things up so its become a shitshow on a grand scale, it’s your lots fault that we haven’t got this done and dusted with hard brexit, in ‘your lot’ I include the lying and frankly treasonous viper May and her cohorts, she’s an utter disgrace to the title Prime Minister.
Right now, I’d rather stay in the EU than go with leave under the terms she is offering to MPs to accept, it’s weak as fuck, it’s selling the nation to the dogs and would kill us every which way … and she knows this, that is why she continues to press for this unworkable/unacceptable pile of steaming turd. This is deliberate to weaken the whole leave position and it’s working.
Blow fucking parliament up, at least save us the billions in repairs to the crack den and we can rebuild in the midlands somewhere that would ave countless billions more in the long run.
This is in part why we need this revolution, staying in an even more corrupt cabal is not working and has not worked in the UKs favour, it’s been going to shit for decades and getting ever worse.
Say what you like in response, I don’t care, it’ll be more of the same old pony that’s been chucked up since day one … blah blah blah blah blah blah. When it all comes crashing down and things carry on being a pile of shit, it’s on you and your lot, not those that wanted change for the better!— BehindTheBikesheds
Still no sane, positive reasons for pursuing Brexit, I see. Instead, another classic of the genre: the rambling, paranoid rant full of false equivalences and buck-passing.
Exaggerating future economic risks is not on the same level as blatant lying about known facts. Even if it were, how does both sides being dishonest make the referendum more legitimate? The Swiss re-run referenda on account of a fraction of the impropriety we witnessed in 2016.
And when Theresa May said “Brexit means Brexit”, remainers said that it was meaningless twaddle to cover doing whatever she wanted, but leavers cheered her on to “crush the saboteurs”. Now you blame us for her intransigence?
Some of us left the UK
Some of us left the UK because of the attitudes becoming prevelant there. I now live in a country that welcomes people and will soon become a citizen of this country.
I couldn’t give a toss about the Europeon union but anyone who thought leaving will make things any better or much different is highly disolusioned. You will still have the same self serving hippocrytes ruling over you just with less rules to stop them shitting on you. The only people who will do well out of it are the wealthy who will have had their financial advisors and such working far harder on this than your government has.
As for “intellegent” people who voted leave changing their minds…….. um……I don’t consider myself particularly intellegent and I could see the lies quite clearly.
Anyone who voted for 360 million for the NHS, getting their border controll back while enjoying a better place in the economic world is pretty “thick” in my book and are living in dreamland.
You live in a capitalist (so called) democracy. It is run by money and most politicians are there to facilitate this.
British arrogance at it’s worst.
Oh jeezus bit somebody
Oh jeezus bit somebody mention Brexit again..
I feel uttery conned by all sides on this, the only winners of this will be big businesses and investor types, the rich poor divide will widen.
Government has been inept and inadequte and should be scrapped. Let the civil service take over for a bit while politics sorts itself out and let them make the decisions, they are the ones with the real knowledge of how to run a country after all. If they need guidance, they can ask a panel made up of leaders, from industry, morality and of the environment.
peted76 wrote:
Unfortunately, the civil service stopped being impartial and practical quite some time ago…
(The politicians didn’t like having non-partisan civil servants second-guessing their stupidity…).
peted76 wrote:
I’m just glad that I’m a Specialized S-Works in a world full of Carerra’s…
One truth from BTBSs polemic
One truth from BTBSs polemic though. Staying in the EU is a better deal than the one on offer, which by the way was negotiated by ardent Leave supporters (Davis, Raab & Barclay). Mrs May has nothing else to offer unless it is softer than the deal currently being offered to Parliament. Which presumably the hard right, ERG etc will continue to reject.
This is why we need a second public vote; Leave with no deal and all that entails with dire warnings of economic hardship from most industries, most analysts and most economists, accept the negotiated offer on the table which pretty much ticks no-ones boxes or remain in the EU warts and all. Without that confirmation the divisions and bitterness will last for decades with each “side” blaming the other for every lost job and every economic setback.
Personally I would hope that we decided to stay as an influential part of our largest, closest, friendliest economic trading block. But if the arguments for leave (the credible ones this time please) still stack up for enough people to vote out then out we must go and us Remainers need to “Lead, follow or get out of the way”.
Mungecrundle wrote:
…because if we Leave the EU and the customs union completely, we lose the heft of twenty-seven other countries – and we will get utterly f**ked over by China and the US…
Rees-Mogg (the Honourable Member for 1887), Fox (“it’ll be the easiest trade deals ever”), Davies (who he?
), Raab (“who knew that the English Channel was made of water?”) all forgot that we really aren’t a big player on the world stage any more.
Face it, people, we are a small archipelago on the edge of Europe, which was a big player with an Empire once upon a time.
We sold off our manufacturing base a long time ago, we don’t produce enough of our own goods and even food so we are dependent on imports (prove me wrong on that, I dare you!), and over the last two years we have thoroughly pi$$ed away any semblance of being a respectable and Grand Old Democracy and made ourselves a laughing stock

I’m sure, given the passion
I’m sure, given the passion expressed in some of the above posts, you’ll all be compelled to read about how the government ignored the code it had adopted for referendums.
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/eu-referendum-ignored-code-of-practice-1-6002412?fbclid=IwAR1SGZ6K5pGHiW7RMW7_tn-rdIVCYxsxNN_yQxY8eoR–2csmjbvc26lmgI
“What most politicians have failed to point out is that since 2006 the UK has been one of 60 signatories to the ‘Code of Good Practice on Referendums’ (part of the Venice Commission).
This advocates a referendum as a two-part process, starting with an advisory vote and proceeding to a detailed proposal, with a second vote by either parliament or the people. This, you will note, is more or less where we are.
They also advise that a vote below 55% in favour should be ignored. Hmmm.”
burtthebike wrote:
You can add to that, how Farage stated unequivocally before the referendum that if it was really close – say, a 52/48% split – then that was unfair and meaningless and he intended to take court action to dispute it.
The question of a second referendum was raised by Mr Farage in an interview with the Mirror in which he said: “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681
Don, I very much like your
Don, I very much like your use of “NF”. Nice.
ktache wrote:
It’s his initials and he does frequently put himself at the front of the nation, beyond that I’m not sure what you mean…
Please let me know when we
Please let me know when we find the Leave Manifesto we were supposed to be voting on. I seem to remember there was a clear choice in the IndyRef, the status quo, or SNP Manifesto. The people made a simple choice based on clear information (I feel sorry for the Scots because we really didn’t deliver what we promised, they deserve another go if Brexit happens.) Meanwhile we had a Leave campaign based on fear of the other, undeliverable promises of cash and ‘easy’ negotiation.
Why am I not surprised that BTBS is an ardent Leave voter who seems to completely ignorant of reality, or the absolute clusterfuck the last three years have been.
‘Baby boomers share nearly 7 times as many ‘fake news’ articles on Facebook as adults under 30, new study finds.’ Meanwhile 1.5 million Leave voters have died since the ref, more then enough to swing the vote. Thanks old people.
Organon wrote:
And unicorns, don’t forget the red, white and blue unicorns.
Brexit is bad for business.
Brexit is bad for business.
There, I said it. Leaving the customs union means that just in time manufacturing operations that rely on speedy deliveries across borders will be crippled. Manufacturing accounts for 10% of the UK’s GDP. Forget about ‘alternative arrrangements’ using technology or any of that crap. The technology wouldn’t be available for at least 10 years, and given the goverment’s record on introducing new systems, probably wouldn’t work properly for the first couple of years anyway. By that time, the UK’s manufacturing sector would’ve departed for other shores.
And it wouldn’t just be the manufacturing sector either as most (if not all) of our other UK businesses rely on quick (cheap) frictionless trading across EU borders. A lot of our industry and trade (and our NHS) relies heavily on EU personnel. These EU citizens are not willing to be second class citizens in the UK and are already leaving. The NHS was struggling to fill posts before the Brexit vote and that is getting worse. Ther eis plenty of information available on this, look it up. And no, don’t read that hate-filled rag The Daily Mail, which lest we forget is owned by a tax avoider and until recently, was edited by one as well. The same applies to the Murdoch stable.
Brexit will deliver a low wage economy with no worker protection that will favour the rich.
It’ll also result in an independent Scotland and over 400 years of successful partnership will be gone.
This isn’t project fear, it’s reality.
Brexit delivers no economic benefits to the UK, none at all. It’ll make the UK poorer, weaker and smaller and result in the NHS being privatised. US firms are already rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of Brexit.
It will only benefit the multi millionaire/billionaire tax avoiders like Jacob Rees Mogg. Bear in mind that his firm made £103 million in profits in the last five years. However it is based in the Cayman Islands so paid not a penny in corporate taxes to HMRC, so how he can claim to be a patriot when he dodges supporting his country escapes me. He claims to be a Christian but clearly hasn’t read the bible, as Jesus was pretty clear on what he thought of tax avoidance, “And Jesus answering said to them, Pay what is Caesar’s to Caesar, and what is God’s to God. And they wondered at him.”
Hopefully to wrap up the
Hopefully to wrap up the banana debate and bring the thread back on track.
The real reason for EU banana standards is because if they are too small and thin they will fall out of your Biken Banana Holder.
Mungecrundle wrote:
I’ll see your Biken Banana Holder and raise you a BaNanaBotCage: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:678170
hawkinspeter wrote:
I see that you found the double banana version. Imagine what would happen if your bananas were not of a standard curvature?
Mungecrundle wrote:
It’d be disaster if you’re in the middle of a peeloton.
Frank – would you still vote
Frank – would you still vote leave now that banana regulations have been explained to you ?
Frank – would you still vote
Frank – would you still vote leave now that banana regulations have been explained to you ?
Frank – would you still vote
Frank – would you still vote leave now that banana regulations have been explained to you ?
fenix wrote:
Of course he would, he just can’t say what the real reason is.